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tenn_ace
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:11 PM
Time to start this thread, right?

Anyway, let's do it with Shamil's press conference.

Tarpishchev said that 4 highest ranked players as of June 14 (WTA ranking) will be selected to go to Athens to play singles plus 2 players to play doubles


so all the talks about Maria S. and Dinara should have a chance are nothing but excuses... unless, of course, one of them wins FO. (what are the chances?)

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 20th, 2004, 04:19 PM
I'll believe it when he actually does what he has just said.

- L i n a -
Apr 20th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Nuts to that...

Sharapova is going to be on this team, and I know it, just because it will piss me off.

goldenlox
Apr 20th, 2004, 07:40 PM
It will depend on who is healthy. I think each of the top 5 Russians has pulled out of at least one event this year, with an injury.

- L i n a -
Apr 20th, 2004, 10:36 PM
Unless someone has an injury to where they can't play whatsoever... I think they'll give everything in their power to play this.

Anyway, some talk about the team...

1) Myskina - 5 Ranking - She's way ahead of the other Russians in the rankings, and her only significant defending points is a Rome QF to June 14th. Definitely in.

2) Petrova - 6 - Has a 750 point lead on the 5th ranked Russian, Kuznetsova. However, is defending Roland Garros SF, and a win over Seles in Rome. Probably in... but would be advised to stay healthy, and just get past a couple 1st rounds during red clay season.

3) Dementieva - 9 - Only about a 500 point lead on Kuznetsova... but is defending just one win in Birmingham until June 14th. Definitely in.

4) Zvonareva - 11 - Even though she's about 400 points ahead of Kuznetsova now... Vera is on the outside looking in. Defending Roland Garros QF, Bol WIN, Berlin QF, Strasbourg SF, and Vienna SF. Clay is Vera's best surface... and she's really going to have to show it if she's going to stay ahead of Sveta.

5) Kuznetsova - 14 - It's really up to Sveta and Vera for the 4th singles spot. Sveta has around 100 points to defend, not much. Sveta has played great earlier this year... but she has yet to prove she can play this well on a consistent basis... and has yet to prove if she can do it on clay.

6) Sharapova, Bovina, Safina - Need to pull out a miracle... like winning a Tier I, and reaching the finals of a Slam... which none of these big girls can do on clay.

tenn_ace
Apr 20th, 2004, 11:42 PM
Unless someone has an injury to where they can't play whatsoever... I think they'll give everything in their power to play this.

Anyway, some talk about the team...

1) Myskina - 5 Ranking - She's way ahead of the other Russians in the rankings, and her only significant defending points is a Rome QF to June 14th. Definitely in.

2) Petrova - 6 - Has a 750 point lead on the 5th ranked Russian, Kuznetsova. However, is defending Roland Garros SF, and a win over Seles in Rome. Probably in... but would be advised to stay healthy, and just get past a couple 1st rounds during red clay season.

3) Dementieva - 9 - Only about a 500 point lead on Kuznetsova... but is defending just one win in Birmingham until June 14th. Definitely in.

4) Zvonareva - 11 - Even though she's about 400 points ahead of Kuznetsova now... Vera is on the outside looking in. Defending Roland Garros QF, Bol WIN, Berlin QF, Strasbourg SF, and Vienna SF. Clay is Vera's best surface... and she's really going to have to show it if she's going to stay ahead of Sveta.

5) Kuznetsova - 14 - It's really up to Sveta and Vera for the 4th singles spot. Sveta has around 100 points to defend, not much. Sveta has played great earlier this year... but she has yet to prove she can play this well on a consistent basis... and has yet to prove if she can do it on clay.

6) Sharapova, Bovina, Safina - Need to pull out a miracle... like winning a Tier I, and reaching the finals of a Slam... which none of these big girls can do on clay.

good analysis... but I'd say that all 5 top women has locked a spot on the team... If Sveta doesn't play singles, she'll play doubles. The same with Vera Z. Lena L. will be the last one on the team to play doubles with Sveta.

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:09 AM
There's no real suspense. Lena B. doesn't have enough time to get her ranking up.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 12:54 AM
good analysis... but I'd say that all 5 top women has locked a spot on the team... If Sveta doesn't play singles, she'll play doubles. The same with Vera Z. Lena L. will be the last one on the team to play doubles with Sveta.
Do all 6 players get to play singles?

Sorry, but I'm really dumb on country competition stuff. :p

the cat
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:10 AM
They should wait until after Wimbledon to name the Russian Olympic tennis team. The whole system for tennis in the Olympics is lame! :mad: It will be a watered down event with a Tier ll kind of field. And that's not good for tennis in the Olympics. :(

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:16 AM
Look at basketball. The USA could send three teams, and win all three medals. But they are only allowed to send one team.
Inferior players can win a medal, playing for a different country. The Olympics were always like that.

the cat
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:52 AM
You can't compare a team sport to an individual sport. If the Olympics are important to tennis then they should have a tournament on par with a grand slam or Tier l tournament where the best players are competing for the title. But that's not the case with Olympic tennis.

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:56 AM
Swimmers can win 7 medals. A marathon runner can only win one. It's not supposed to be fair.
The third string goaltender for the Canadian women's hockey team won a gold medal.
There might be 50 better goaltenders who won none.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:58 AM
You can't compare a team sport to an individual sport. If the Olympics are important to tennis then they should have a tournament on par with a grand slam or Tier l tournament where the best players are competing for the title. But that's not the case with Olympic tennis.
It's much worse in other sports than tennis...

If you want the best 10000m runners, then the whole field would be Kenyans.

tenn_ace
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:15 AM
Do all 6 players get to play singles?

Sorry, but I'm really dumb on country competition stuff. :p
no only 4, but the 5th wheel (Vera or Sveta) will not sit without playing: she will play doubles

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:34 AM
Is Vera going to go as a doubles specialist? I don't see that. I think Vera has to make the team in singles.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:36 AM
Vera isn't really a doubles' specialist... but who would go in over Vera?

The only real options are Lena B and Masha...

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:39 AM
Lena B. just won a major in doubles.

tenn_ace
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:46 AM
Vera plays a lot of doubles recently. With Nastia and Lena D. going for higher goals, they could refuse playing doubles. In that case, Sveta/Lena L. and Vera Z./Nadia are the only options.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:48 AM
If only 1 doubles team can play... then Sveta/Lena L is the only logical choice.

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:49 AM
Nadia/Lena B. is the option. Lena is a great doubles player. An AO champion.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:57 AM
Lena B. is a Top 10 doubles player when she plays.

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:06 AM
She's not as good a doubles player as Anna, but she won a major. That means something.

ys
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:07 AM
Lena B. is not an option in doubles.

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:08 AM
If Vera is a doubles only option, then Lena should be also.

Epigone
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:17 AM
I'd take Vera over Lena B. because (a) she has already made a Tier III final, and Tier I and II SFs this year, (b) she made the final and SFs with three different partners (Masha S, Nastya and Lina K.), thus showing that she can adapt to different partners, and (c) she would be the best backup if one of the singles players was injured. However, if Vera plays to her potential on clay, this will be a moot point because her ranking will be high enough to have her selected in the singles :).

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:21 AM
Russia has so many good players, that some will be left out. Vera controls her own destiny.
But if two doubles teams go, Lena B. is the only Russian to win a major in more than a year.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:35 AM
Lena B. is not an option in doubles.
I do think she'd be a legitimate option if we could bring along 2 doubles players.

~SunFlower~
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:42 AM
Nuts to that...

Sharapova is going to be on this team, and I know it, just because it will piss me off.

What made you think that she will be going to Athens? :o :confused: You are going to be happy that she won't be going since she has a full schedule this summer. It's impossible. Also, she would have to be in the Fed Cup this weekend in order to be eligible for Olympics.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 04:08 AM
What made you think that she will be going to Athens? :o :confused: You are going to be happy that she won't be going since she has a full schedule this summer. It's impossible. Also, she would have to be in the Fed Cup this weekend in order to be eligible for Olympics.
Because Tarpischev mentioned that he wishes she'd be on the team... and I wouldn't like that.

Masha doesn't deserve it now. If she does in 2008, great.

ys
Apr 21st, 2004, 04:34 AM
I do think she'd be a legitimate option if we could bring along 2 doubles players.
Correct. But if Kuznetsova and Likhovtseva don't make it to singles ( Lena is almost certain not to make it ), than two doubles players will be Kuznetsova and Likhovtseva.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 04:45 AM
Correct. But if Kuznetsova and Likhovtseva don't make it to singles ( Lena is almost certain not to make it ), than two doubles players will be Kuznetsova and Likhovtseva.
Which is correct...

If Sveta & Lena L are able to play doubles... there is no other option.

the cat
Apr 21st, 2004, 11:30 AM
Lina, Lena B is not an Olympic option at this time. Unless she can bring Rennae Stubbs with her as her doubles partner. ;)

GL and Lina, the swimming and marathon Olympic events are top shelf competitons with the best athletes in each sport competing at the Olympics. But tennis is a watered down Olympic competition without several of the top players who don't care to compete and a draw that creates mediocrity. Just look at the tennis event at the 2000 Sydney Olympic games for the perfect example of that.

- L i n a -
Apr 21st, 2004, 01:23 PM
Lena has only played with Rennae once in the past 12 months. I really wish Lena would focus more on doubles, and get a constant partner... because she could easily be a top team in doubles if she just gets more experience. But, that's for another thread.

I agree that tennis is a watered down competition... but your argument is it's because not all the top players can play, and I don't think that's the case. I think it's more a case of poor scheduling, and travel.

the cat
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:46 PM
It's a combination of both, Lina. But thank you for agreeing with me. And the who cares attitude about Olympic tennis from some of the top players hurts tennis in the Olympics. But I am confident that Andy Roddick will be in Athens! :D

tenn_ace
Apr 21st, 2004, 02:50 PM
But I am confident that Andy Roddick will be in Athens! :Doh that's awesome news!:tape:

ALPHA
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:22 PM
Tennis shouldn't be an Olympic competition anyway, never should have been.

It's an individual pro sport, where majors count, but not THE TEAM nor your nationality.

Who cares about Fed Cup ? Which TV station broadcasts live ?


If you can choose between winning a major and winning Olympic tennis competition - which trophy do you prefer ?

tenn_ace
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:24 PM
the same with boxing and many other sports... so where do we draw the line?

ALPHA
Apr 21st, 2004, 03:29 PM
the same with boxing and many other sports... so where do we draw the line?

Boxers in Olympics are no Pro's, but amateurs. If you turn pro as boxer, you're not available for Olympics anymore.

That's factor A) to draw a line.

the cat
Apr 21st, 2004, 06:46 PM
I say draw the line.

I think 99% of professional tennis players would rather win a grand slam singles title than a singles gold medal at the Olympics.

goldenlox
Apr 21st, 2004, 07:18 PM
Tennis wasn't an Olympic sport once. But it gives tennis a big audience.
The Olympics are set up so many countries are represented. Not just the top athletes in a sport, but the the best athletes each country has.

the cat
Apr 21st, 2004, 11:39 PM
Good counterpoints as usual, GL.

goldenlox
Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:05 AM
You know all that stuff. The Olympics are like Fed Cup. They let the best athletes from small countries compete. And some of the better athletes from big countries can't go.

the cat
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:42 PM
GL, thanks for telling me I know all that stuff. ;) I forgot. But now I remember.

tenn_ace
Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:44 PM
major kissing up going on here... ;) :p

Stephieva
Apr 22nd, 2004, 04:15 PM
major kissing up going on here... ;) :pda cat luvs gee-al...
da question is if gee-al luvs da cat.:lol:

goldenlox
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:22 PM
I love cats. As long as someone else cleans up after them.

the cat
Apr 22nd, 2004, 07:41 PM
You noticed, tenn_ace. You noticed. ;) I've got something for GL. :hug: :smooch: And GL's kindeness has had a carryover affect on Lina. :angel: By the way, is it affect or effect? :confused:

GL, if you're old enough to vote or drive a car you're old enough to clean the cat box! ;)

ys
Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:53 AM
Just ran into an interview with Tarpishev, about from 3 weeks ago, where he says that Myskina and Zvonareva have already been selected for Olympics, and others will be selected later.. :confused:

ys
Apr 23rd, 2004, 02:14 PM
Now, after team for tie is announced, and given that strange statement about Olympic selection I start to suspect there is some problem between Tarpishev and Dementieva and , probably, Petrova.

the cat
Apr 23rd, 2004, 02:20 PM
Why ys? Why has Vera Zvonareva already been selected for the Russian Olympic tennis team when she lost 2 singles against France in the Fed Cup semifinals in Moscow last year and she isn't ranked as high as Elena Dementieva is? :confused: I just can't believe that. And Dementieva deserves the chance to go to Athens to defend her Olympic silver medal from Sydney in 2000.

ys
Apr 23rd, 2004, 02:51 PM
Why ys? Why has Vera Zvonareva already been selected for the Russian Olympic tennis team when she lost 2 singles against France in the Fed Cup semifinals in Moscow last year and she isn't ranked as high as Elena Dementieva is? :confused:
Why the hell are you asking me that? Ask Tarpishev. I am as confused about that as you are.

moo_ont
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:01 PM
If Tarpishev didn't choose Elena D. to play the Olympics this year, I think Elena would either kill herself or (more possibly) murder him. :armed: :shrug:

the cat
Apr 23rd, 2004, 03:04 PM
Because I felt like asking you that, ys. You read more Russian tennis articles than I do and I figured you might understand what was going on. As for Shamil Tarpischev is becoming obvious that he favors other Russina's to Elena Dementieva. And that saddens me because Elena has represented Russia very well and very loyally in Fed Cup and the Olympics and deserves to be treated better than she is by the Russian Tennis Federation.

goldenlox
Apr 23rd, 2004, 07:11 PM
I can see that as we get closer to the Olympics, it's going to get very interesting.

the cat
Apr 23rd, 2004, 07:12 PM
Da.

ALPHA
Apr 23rd, 2004, 08:02 PM
If Tarpishev didn't choose Elena D. to play the Olympics this year, I think Elena would either kill herself or (more possibly) murder him. :armed: :shrug:

Do we consider that as "murder" ... :devil: ?

the cat
Apr 24th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Elena wouldn't do that. :angel: Besides her mother wouldn't let Elena do that. ;)

Stephieva
Apr 24th, 2004, 12:21 AM
Do we consider that as "murder" ... :devil: ?me'd consider that as "send him to hell". :lol: :tape:

the cat
Apr 27th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Elena is all for peace. :angel: So please don't talk like that. ;)

ALPHA
Apr 28th, 2004, 08:46 AM
Elena is all for peace. :angel: So please don't talk like that. ;)

Well, the "Snake" didn't get her nickname for nothing on a different board.

- L i n a -
Apr 28th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Well, the "Snake" didn't get her nickname for nothing on a different board.
I thought Lena was called "the snake" because of her teeth.

ALPHA
Apr 28th, 2004, 02:34 PM
I thought Lena was called "the snake" because of her teeth.
Lena = Elena Bovina ?

Never heard of that one before. As far as I know snakes, they do have many really small ones + 2 bigger ones for ... well, ... POISON. :devil:

Does Bovina have teeth as Miss Dracula ?

Anyway, as far as I remember, POISON was the basic idea for handing out the nickname to Dementieva on the other board.

the cat
Apr 28th, 2004, 03:33 PM
The nickname of "The Snake" for "The Darling One" Elena Dementieva was inappropriate from the beginning. :( I think it was Vanity at the www.kournikova.com (http://www.kournikova.com) message board who nicknamend Elena that. Vanity and others there were jealous of Elena because she was a threat to Anna tennis wise and physically and because Elena had a fine 2000 making the U.S. Open semifinals and winning an Olympic silver medal in Sydney while Anna was at an Omega event instead of playing the Olympics.

ALPHA
Apr 28th, 2004, 04:17 PM
The nickname of "The Snake" for "The Darling One" Elena Dementieva was inappropriate from the beginning. :( I think it was Vanity at the www.kournikova.com (http://www.kournikova.com/) message board who nicknamend Elena that. Vanity and others there were jealous of Elena because she was a threat to Anna tennis wise and physically and because Elena had a fine 2000 making the U.S. Open semifinals and winning an Olympic silver medal in Sydney while Anna was at an Omega event instead of playing the Olympics.
In public, season 2000 is reported as AnnaK's best year, she finished No.8 ahead of Dementieva. (Insiders including me prefer 1998 way over 2000, but that's different story.)

Fact is: Especially in 2000, there was no reason for "jelousy". The real reason behind the selection of that nickname for Dementieva - and you know that pretty good - were the "not so kind" statements of Dementieva in her post-match interview asked about AnnaK.

"The Darling One" ... :rolleyes: sure ....

Btw: Correction: She played Luxembourg's Tier-III tournament during Olympics, where she beat Kim Clijsters.

ys
Apr 28th, 2004, 05:18 PM
I thought Lena was called "the snake" because of her teeth.It was a different story. There was an obsessed Russian poster on Annak boards, "vicold" I think nickname was, who once compared her to "snake". And in one of my posts I have mocked his hate to Elena using that comparison of him. And after that suddenly it stuck to Elena on those boards. So in a way, I am to be blamed in that..

the cat
Apr 28th, 2004, 07:42 PM
Thanks for the correction Alpha. :rolleyes: But we agree Anna's 1998 season was better than her 2000 season. And Elena didn't say anything bad about Anna in 2000. She just let it be known that they are different and that Anna didn't talk to the other Russian girls.

Maybe you are to blame Malysh (ys). ;)

ALPHA
Apr 30th, 2004, 07:49 AM
...

Maybe you are to blame Malysh (ys). ;)

...



Aha !

Malysh detected.

Jumped off the derailed Anna-train, eh ?


Cheers,

71213

ALPHA
Apr 30th, 2004, 07:52 AM
...

Thanks for the correction Alpha.

...


was a pleasure, as always ;)


btw: the cat = the_cat_in_the_hat ?

tenn_ace
Apr 30th, 2004, 11:51 AM
Maybe you are to blame Malysh (ys). ;)

Malysh? :haha::lol:

the cat
Apr 30th, 2004, 02:41 PM
tenn_ace, what's so funny, Bugs Bunny? ;) :p

Yes Alpha that's me. So you are 71213 aka Alex.

tenn_ace
Apr 30th, 2004, 02:59 PM
the cat, I can't explain... ys=Malysh :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

no offence, ys :lol: :p

Malysh=Bugs Bunny? I don't think so... more like baby, todler.

ys=Malysh :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: can't stop :haha: need to use a little boiz room now.... :lol:

ALPHA
Apr 30th, 2004, 03:28 PM
tenn_ace, what's so funny, Bugs Bunny? ;) :p

Yes Alpha that's me. So you are 71213 aka Alex.

correct


Hey ma... erm ... ys,

where's your Elena-fanatic buddy ? Shelik, right ?

the cat
Apr 30th, 2004, 06:25 PM
I remember Shelik. Nice guy and a big Dementieva fan. :)

ALPHA
May 1st, 2004, 07:42 AM
I remember Shelik. Nice guy and a big Dementieva fan. :)
Yes, he was. Fled about the same time as Malysh. I guess he feels more comfortable on Dementieva-fan-boards these days.