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Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Just commentary during the commercial.

What to watch:

1) Conchi will slice return Venus' serve. That will mena the ball is in the air longer. Which means Venus will have time to come to net if she chooses.

2) Conchi takes a long time between points. Venus is best WHEN she takes a long time between points. But she rushes sometimes. So Conchi's deliberateness could HELP VEnus, if she let's it. Or, Venus could let it throw her off, as Patty did.

3) Conchi's serve. See where Venus is recieving Conchi's FIRST serve after a couple service games. If she's inside the baseline, this will be over quick.

Vincent
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:15 PM
I am going to watch if they shake hands or not. :haha:

Lady
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:19 PM
Couldn't you give those comments in live scoring thread?? :angel: That'd be appreciated! ;)

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:20 PM
Conchi up a break 2-1

Venus can't seem to start a match strong anymore.

Conchi's forehand is stompin' right now. She's taking it down the line to Venus' duece court at will. Watch for Venus to start playing to Conchi's right to take that away.

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Conchi up a break 3-2

The match is level right now. By that i mean no player is playing better than the other. But Conchi's got the break, so she can cruise. It's Venus who has to find something Conchi can't defend.

LindsayRulez
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Damn, I didn't know Conchita had such a forehand!! I haven't seen her play that many matches in my life, although I did see her against Justine live last week, but she was definitely not hitting these blistering forehands.

Lady
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:33 PM
Because justine didn't let her!! :p

j/k I haven't seen that match, so I can't know ;)

justine&coria
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:34 PM
well, are you sure this is not a scoring thread ? ;)

MLF
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:35 PM
Has Conchita beefed up her forehand again? From about '89 - mid '90s she had one of the biggest forehands on the tour ( only Graf hit harder probably ) but then from about '95 onwards lost her way with it and went for placement and spin more. If she's got it back she could be in big business this season.

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:37 PM
I wish I could watch!

Can someone tell us (non viewers) how are both playing?

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Conchi is smoking right about now...Throwing everything at Venus...:sad:

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:42 PM
Come on Vee! Step it up! :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Venus will pull it togather...:D

esquímaux
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:43 PM
OMFG! GEAUX Moonball Momma! :rocker2:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:44 PM
whats happening out there ??
hasnt anyone ever tried to drive-volley moonballs back ???
i've only seen 14 yr old Alisa Kleybanova do this ;)

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:44 PM
Conchi up 2 breaks 5-2

Venus just can't find a consistent strategy that works. And any defensive shot that lands in the middle of the court turns into a forehand winner for Conchi. The only answer i really see for VEnus here is to turn onthe winner machine.

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:45 PM
She is just not missing...:mad:

udachi Elena
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:46 PM
wahoo! Conchita is lookin good

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:46 PM
Come on V! :wavey:

BigTennisFan
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:46 PM
Conchi up 2 breaks 5-2

Venus just can't find a consistent strategy that works. And any defensive shot that lands in the middle of the court turns into a forehand winner for Conchi. The only answer i really see for VEnus here is to turn onthe winner machine.
I almost never watch Venus play live. She gets on my nerves too much. I'm taping the match and I'll watch later. So I'd better get off of the board before someone posts the final score. :o

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:47 PM
You gotta give it up to Conchi...She is playing too well...Come on Venus...get it togather...:angel:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:47 PM
A NEW set, a new Beginning

what happened in set 1 is history.

ys
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:48 PM
You gotta give it up to Conchi...She is playing too well...Come on Venus...get it togather...:angel:
I also think that Venus plays a very high quality tenins. She is just probably not match tough yet.

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:49 PM
What does Venus need to do? Is she missing balls?

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:49 PM
Conchi wins the 1st set 6-2.

That set was clinic. Conchi varied height, spin, direction, pace, offense and defense. Venus has made few too many UEs, but she actually isn't playing badly. But Conchi is defending like Kim, with offensive variety like no one else on tour has, even Justine. Venus just can't find a weakness.

Lady
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:50 PM
Still amazed that Justine could beat Conchi last week, playing ill! ;)

Venus will pick it up in 2nd set, I'm positive! :) C'mon Venus!

MLF
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Obviously I'm not watching the match but it sounds like Venus has got to follow a Seles like approach to a match with Martinez i.e just step in and crunch the ball and hope the winners outweigh the errors.

JonBcn
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Good job this isnt a scoring thread - I'd hate to know what's happening ;)

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:54 PM
2-0 Venus...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:54 PM
Good job this isnt a scoring thread - I'd hate to know what's happening ;)
It's more of an analysis thread...;)

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:58 PM
3-0 Venus...:D

ys
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Obviously I'm not watching the match but it sounds like Venus has got to follow a Seles like approach to a match with Martinez i.e just step in and crunch the ball and hope the winners outweigh the errors.
Exactly.

MLF
Apr 18th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Has Conchita had a reaction to winning the first set or has Venus stepped it up?

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:00 PM
Couldn't you give those comments in live scoring thread?? :angel: That'd be appreciated! ;)
If you go point by point you lose a certain flow.

Venus a break 2nd set 2-6 3-0

The only difference is Venus is hitting winners now. But keep an eye on what Conchi's doing with height. Moonball alternating with low slice. This is how it's done, boys and girls.

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:03 PM
A point for 4-0...:D

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:04 PM
I'll be back after i kill some Aliens on MTF ;)
Space Invaders ;)

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:04 PM
Wasted...:sad:

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Come on Venus! :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:08 PM
4-1 easy hold for Venus...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Dont jinx her Pam...:mad:

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Venus up a break 2nd set

2-6 4-1

Venus just had an easy service game.

Venus is insisting on recieving Conchi's serve standing on the baseline, and so far, Conchi's serve is beating Venus' return. Venus is an awesome returner, so I don't question the stratgey, but so far, Conchi is up to the challenge.

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Come on Venus! Regroup!

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:13 PM
Vamos Conchi, win the FS!! :)


btw, ALL threads posting scores is a scoreing thread! ;) (and will be moved.....)

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:13 PM
Easy hold for Conchi...Please hold Venus...:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Oddly enough, Conchita leads 6-2 2-4, but she has only won one more point then Venus.

Come on Vee! Win this set!

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:16 PM
easy hold! 2-6 5-2! break her Vee!

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:16 PM
She holds...:D 5-2...:D

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:17 PM
Venus up a break 2nd set 2-6 5-2

Conchi is getting winded. No much, but she breathing a little heavier, and brething through her mouth a little more. If she's expreriencing fatigue, she going to start missing a little more when she goes for the lines.

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:17 PM
I want Vee to win this so badly!

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:19 PM
I want Vee to win this so badly!

Me to...;)

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:21 PM
6-2 second set win for Venus...:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:21 PM
Venus LEVELS! 2-6 6-2!

Quick start Venus!

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:21 PM
Please hold and break early girl!

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Venus! :bounce:

Win the 3rd now! :wavey:

Is she playing much better now?

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:23 PM
All tied up, going to a third set. 6-2 2-6 or 2-6 6-2 depending on rooting interest.

Check out Conchi's sere. Notice she doesn't extend her arm. She keeps it bent, using a short toss and a lot of spin. And it's quite effective.

The player who got a break first won both sets. Conchi's slow speed of play lessens the odds of Venus getting injured, cause it keeps her rested. This is good. Conch's gonna have to expend some energy early this set.

"Topaz"
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:24 PM
Now that it's even, may the real match begin. I feel momentum is on Venus's side just as stamina.

servenrichie
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:24 PM
I want Vee to win this so badly!ditto:devil:

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:24 PM
are they taking the 10 minute break?

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Vamos Venus! :wavey:

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Yes! 2-6 6-2 1-0! VAMOS VENUS!

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:31 PM
now break girl!

MLF
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:31 PM
On past history of Martinez it would be good for Venus to get off to a flyer in the third as Conchita's not renouned for fighting to the bitter end. However, this is a big final so who knows. If she hangs in at the start then Martinez could get very stubborn.

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:32 PM
Yes...1-0 Keep it up Venus...please break...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:34 PM
Yeah...conchi's service motion is weird...:lol: but effective...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:34 PM
2-0...yes Venus...Please hold...:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:34 PM
Come on girl! 2-6 6-2 2-0! 4 more games girl!

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:34 PM
It seems Venus found her game now! :yeah:

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:39 PM
3-0...yessss....:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:39 PM
2-6 6-2 3-0! Three more games!

servenrichie
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:40 PM
For those watching, is Conchita taking much time between the points?

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Venus up a break 2-6 6-2 3-0

Watching Venus play like this is like watching tennis from the 1970's, only faster. She's gone net over 20 times, and is volleying as well as I've ever seen her.

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Go V! :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:46 PM
Come on Venus...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:46 PM
Please break...:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:48 PM
4-0 :bounce:

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:48 PM
Yesss....4-0...:D

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:48 PM
That might have been the coup-de-grace 4-0 Venus third set.

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:49 PM
How is she playing?

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:50 PM
4-0 30-30...Come on Venus...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:51 PM
40-30...come on Venus...Please hold...:D

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:51 PM
How is she playing?
Very well...5-0...:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:52 PM
5-0 :whohoo:

First win since 03 Feb. First tier 1 since 01 Miami

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:52 PM
It's all over but the shouting. Conchi doesn't look like she has any intention of coming back.

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:53 PM
:bounce:

"Topaz"
Apr 18th, 2004, 06:55 PM
26-62-50* V.
Mamacita is toast! That's the CNN prediction. ;)

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 07:00 PM
School's out. 2-6 6-2 6-1

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 18th, 2004, 07:00 PM
She won....Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......:D

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2004, 07:00 PM
and that my friends is what you call closure.

2-6 6-2 6-1!

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2004, 07:02 PM
If anyone has the net approach stats, I'd like to see those. Venus spent an awful lot of time at the net.

Sportfan
Apr 18th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Yes well done Venus way to win.