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Epigone
Apr 12th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Bepa was up *5-5 40-0, and then managed to lose 4 straight points, saved that BP, and then another, but was broken :banghead:

5-6*

Epigone
Apr 12th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Bepa lost 4-6 6-4 5-7

She held 3 matchpoints at 5-3, and double faulted 2 of them away, and then lead *40-0 @ *5-5, and was broken

Bepa's confidence, meet wrecking ball :bigcry::hysteric: :sobbing: :crying2:

This match will leave a mark. I only hope it doesn't hurt Bepa too much :hug:

_LuCaS_
Apr 12th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Bepa don't follow Nastya's path :(
Crap

Epigone
Apr 12th, 2005, 09:11 PM
Я верю тебе Вера!!!

Я верю тебе Вера!!!
Я верю тебе Вера!!!
Я верю тебе Вера!!!

Derek.
Apr 12th, 2005, 09:26 PM
Bepa lost :(

pav
Apr 12th, 2005, 09:52 PM
I might change from following Bepa to whipping Myself with a Gorse branch,it would be less painful:fiery: :mad: :sad: :( !

_LuCaS_
Apr 12th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Join the club pav :fiery:

pav
Apr 12th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Bepa lost 4-6 6-4 5-7

She held 3 matchpoints at 5-3, and double faulted 2 of them away, and then lead *40-0 @ *5-5, and was broken

Bepa's confidence, meet wrecking ball :bigcry::hysteric: :sobbing: :crying2:

This match will leave a mark. I only hope it doesn't hurt Bepa too much :hug:
She requires the leaving of a mark! on Her fat Bum!!:fiery:

andrewbroad
Apr 12th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Bepa! :sad: :awww: :bigcry::hysteric: :sobbing: :crying2: :tears:

(I'll post my post-mortem in her forum (http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=333) later.)

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Epigone
Apr 12th, 2005, 10:56 PM
This loss feels so surreal

It feels like I'm floating...oh, hang on, that's just my head acting up after having 2 1/2 hours sleep and then watching Bepa throw away a match :lol:

Bepa, fix the serve :hug:

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 01:24 AM
Here is a post by someone who saw the match:
I saw that match. Vera played good but Benesova played better. Vera tried to mix it up but she was on the defensive too much even for her. Other than that Vera needs to talk to a sports psychiatrist or something. She was talking to herself as usual but this time it didn't even seem even rational. She said look what you made me do...I'm going to kill myself twice. People started to laugh and I chuckled a couple of times. Then she ran off the court on the verge of tears after her lost. These are not the typical actions of the player ranked number 10 in the world. She needs to take a break or she is going to have a mental breakdown right on the court.link (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=5265105&postcount=46)

That type of talk can not possibly help her game, but I'm sure that a girl with a Russian flag will be along later to tell me that such statements have no negative effect on her performance.

I think it's pretty clear that Bepa needs some help :sad: :hug:

Derek.
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:22 AM
I hope Bepa figures out her problem fast so she doesn't have a big slump. :sad:

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:54 AM
Here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=5266094&postcount=17) is another post from someone who was there:
Okay....match of the day....zvonereva v. Benesova...this is one of the hidden stories we don't get to see just looking at an online scoreboard:

About into the second game or so....i don't know what happened, and i don't know if anyone else does either because I didnt hear much chatter....but vera got ticked off about something. I could see her from where i was standing, but she pointed and said some things in russian to herself....and then got angry at the ball kids....and took the balls one by one and basically hurried her service and lost her serve at love.

She then started playing again....but many many many times during this match she would have continual outbursts of anger , tears and at changoevers on games she would lose she would throw something....the first few times a racquet...then later a water bottle...another time a towel....

well the play of these two players was EXCELLENT...this match was truly a classic....but that only mystifies vera's conduct even more. She continued to yell and cry and throw things until the crowd went completely against her. I was still finding myself clapping for her though...deep down i wanted her to win too.

the points were long and contentious....the standard of play was HIGHLY EXCELLENT....well....the drama grew and grew....advantages...deuces....ad...duece every point a battle....you could hear a pin drop during the drama....

okay....well...a couple of times some audience members clapped when vera hit the ball into the net....and she started to yell at them in english...about how ridiculous that was etc. everything she said was not audible....

as i mentioned i still wanted her to win....i thought everone has a bad day...and she is having hers in front of 3000 people standing room only on a small show court. But then she lost and she came to the net....and of course we are all living in the post schnyder hand shake era in charleston ( i think i saw patty in the clubhouse watching this meltdown take place)....benesova came to the net....and yes ....a handshake did occur....and then i realized....

that throughout this entire entire match....that was nothing but a huge tirade on the part of vera zvonereva....and huge drama....and nerves and long points of excellent play with huge moments at stake....i realized that benesova had not once gave a grimmace...a loook of dismay...or enjoyment....or anything....she was graceful in her win....she kept focus....

and it wasn't until the end of the match....when she got a huge standing ovation that lasted a minute or more....that i realized the right person won. Sometimes i am a little slow!!!!

okay...anyway...that was a weird thing...maybe some zvonereva fans know if this is her history....she has always been charming in charleston though.How many times is she going to turn crowds against her because of her temper? :sad:

The fact that she can produce some awesome tennis in the middle of these outbursts is a testament to her talent, so just imagine how well she could play if she eliminated the distractions...

Shoulderpova
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:40 AM
Bepa :tape: :help:

daniela86
Apr 13th, 2005, 10:05 AM
OMG VERA!!!!! :hysteric: :hysteric: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :sad: :sad: :o :o :mad: :mad: Yesterday, i was already very ill but after her match, my temperature was near to 41°C :bigcry: I still can't believe she gave Iveta the match :sad: :sad: Those reports reassured me a bit, i'm glad she played well but i really begin to worry for her. She had always been a fighter and this was the first time i saw her trowing a match :sad: and wasting so many opportunities :( :( Her confidence must be very very low, hope this match won't let a trace on her. I hope she will reproduce on red clay the same thing as in Memphis: she was in a big slump but she arrived there extremly motivated and won all her matchs.Clay is her best surface so she has to be motivated , i want her to improve her last year's result at Rolland Garros :yippee: Udachi Bepa, rest and try to forget this dreadful match during your break :hug: :hug: (what a pity she won't play Fed Cup, it could have helped her to regain her motivation: vera loves playing for her country and she would be very motivated and she might have stop her slump with some good wins :sad: )

daniela86
Apr 13th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Я верю тебе Вера!!!

Я верю тебе Вера!!!
Я верю тебе Вера!!!
Я верю тебе Вера!!!
this post put a :D smile on my face :p I agree 100% with ya :smooch:

Clai
Apr 13th, 2005, 11:33 AM
I hope Vera recovers from this loss fast.

Go Vera!

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Here is a post by someone who saw the match:
link (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=5265105&postcount=46)

That type of talk can not possibly help her game, but I'm sure that a girl with a Russian flag will be along later to tell me that such statements have no negative effect on her performance.

I think it's pretty clear that Bepa needs some help :sad: :hug:Vera should be acting on Broadway.
She's quite a drama queen.
Vera, do you want me to give you psychological counseling? :D

BK4ever
Apr 13th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Saw this match, I will write a full report later...including all the drama after the match.

ys
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Vera.. Time to change something.. Dump this useless Carrington guy for starters.. Go back to Yulia..

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Vera.. Time to change something.. Dump this useless Carrington guy for starters.. Go back to Yulia..IMO, he isn't the problem, and going back to Julia would be regressing.

When she gets pissed, she looks for her coach in the crowd. I think that Julia used to tolerate this, and Bepa used it as a crutch. Lex likes to move around during matches so that Bepa can't find him in the crowd. He wants her to be independent.

The frustrating thing is that when she seems to be showing signs of improvement in the way she deals with disappointment, you have incidents like this one :o

_LuCaS_
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Lex likes to move around during matches so that Bepa can't find him in the crowd.
LOL What happens if all the other seats are taken? ;)

BK4ever
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Vera.. Time to change something.. Dump this useless Carrington guy for starters.. Go back to Yulia..

I don't think Vera left Yulia...she works with both of them. Lex is just the one who mainly travels with her.

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:50 PM
LOL What happens if all the other seats are taken? ;)Maybe he would swap seats with people? :shrug: :p

BK4ever's report is here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=161262). It sounds like Lex was letting his feelings be known :tape:. Had that been Julia, I think her response would have been :hug:.

BK4ever
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Anyway, I posted a match report in General Messages and in the FCC thread.

Like I said in it, nothing is wrong with Vera's game, its all mental. And based on the exchanges that I saw with Vera and Lex in the four days I was in Charleston, they have a really good relationship and he is very supportive yet firm with her. He was really calm and encouraging. He didn't leave her view until she started cussing and going really nuts. Looking at their interaction, it was very big brother like. They had a very heated exchange at the end of the match...and based on Vera's silence after he spoke to her you could tell that she knew he was right and there was nothing she could say. Its quite obvious that she respects him and that she knows she has a problem, but she can't seem to find away to control herself. I'm sure he is seeking ways to help her....who knows. The Vera 2005 saga continues.

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Anyway, I posted a match report in General Messages and in the FCC thread.Thanks so much for this :bowdown:. It's always interesting to know how Bepa behaves in situations like this :sad:

Like I said in it, nothing is wrong with Vera's game, its all mental.I hope that someone who posts in this thread regularly will finally realise that Bepa's head has a negative impact on her game.

And based on the exchanges that I saw with Vera and Lex in the four days I was in Charleston, they have a really good relationship and he is very supportive yet firm with her. He was really calm and encouraging. He didn't leave her view until she started cussing and going really nuts. Looking at their interaction, it was very big brother like. They had a very heated exchange at the end of the match...and based on Vera's silence after he spoke to her you could tell that she knew he was right and there was nothing she could say.

Its quite obvious that she respects him and that she knows she has a problem, but she can't seem to find away to control herself. I'm sure he is seeking ways to help her....who knows. The Vera 2005 saga continues.I really think that he is a good coach for her because he is quite analytical, and when she calms down, she realises that what he says is right.

The real issue is how to help her when she is on court by herself. I don't think that there are some magic words that will suddenly flick a switch in her head, and suddenly everything will be fine. However, I do think that there is a sports psychologist out there who will be able to provide her with strategies that will bring her mind back to the game when she gets mad.

It's such a shame to see her lose matches like this because of her hypercritical attitude, coupled with her inability to focus on the next point, instead of on the last.

martirogi
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:34 PM
i know all this stuff is bad, but i think im a fan of vera now :tape:

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:48 PM
i know all this stuff is bad, but i think im a fan of vera now :tape::lol: As a Nastya fan, you are somewhat prepared for the wild ride :D :o

Having read what happened yesterday, and then making that post, I think it's safe to say that you aren't a bandwagon jumper ;)

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2005, 05:46 PM
LOL What happens if all the other seats are taken? ;)When this guy wants a seat, believe me, no one's going to not get up and let him sit there :lol:
This is a big man :D

_LuCaS_
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:03 PM
hehehe if he can persuade Yuri to stand up and move :worship:

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Vera played Maria at the YEC. There's a story there.

BK4ever
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:22 PM
hehehe if he can persuade Yuri to stand up and move :worship:

please tell me what u are referring to. thanks

_LuCaS_
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Yuri is known for his temper and I think someone asking him to switch places during a match would be too much, even if this comes from a big guy like Lex :boxing:

Epigone
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Lex used to do boxing :boxing:

He'd give Yuri a beatdown if Yuri wanted to make it physical :cool:

pav
Apr 13th, 2005, 07:06 PM
I was just thinking, We have a device over here for training naughty farm dogs,that won't listen when they are in the heat of chasing sheep or cattle,it's an electric dog collar which is operated by a remote, and after yelling or whistling at the dog and it still dosen't listen You just press the button and it gives the bugger a shock and soon makes them listen! they have a safety timer so the shock is only a quicky,so Lex couldn't hold the button down if He gets really mad! After a few initial yelps there would be a lot less muttering!

Foot's Fingers
Apr 13th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Yesterday i could post her
i cldn't read abt this match
i cldn't think abt next Vera's matches

But today, i think that it is turn point for Vera this year
I hope Vera will forget abt it and will be stronger

pav
Apr 13th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Just reading BK4ever's interesting report about Bepa searching for Lex and I think Bepa is copying from My cartoon Bepa rules so I had better do one with Bepa winning everything! (wishful thinking!) :)

andrewbroad
Apr 13th, 2005, 10:18 PM
I think the lady did protest too much
She wouldn't take the victory from her hand
She only saw the shadow of her circumstance
Perception can describe what makes a match

I didn't mean to interrupt her stride
But fanship was all I had to give
Sometimes beauty isn't recognised
When it contrasts with what she feels inside

Who's to say the darkened clouds must lead to rain?
Who's to say the problems should just go away?
Who's to point a finger at what's not understood?
Because...

We're all mad in our own way
Colours paint the grey away
Different people all the same
Each reveals the meaning

We're all mad in our own way
Fill the sky with different shades
Read the story on each page
Each reveals the meaning

Sometimes I think she hypercriticise
As if she can't control the time and place
Sport isn't something you try on for size
You can't win without the give and take

Who's to say the darkened clouds must lead to rain?
Who's to say the problems should just go away?
Who's to point a finger at what's not understood?
Because...

We're all mad in our own way
Colours paint the grey away
Different people all the same
Each reveals the meaning

We're all mad in our own way
Fill the sky with different shades
Read the story on each page
Each reveals the meaning

[Natasha Bedingfield, "We're All Mad" from Unwritten]

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pav
Apr 13th, 2005, 11:50 PM
You are right, We are all crazy, Bepa just shows Hers in Her own unique way! a bit too unique sometimes :eek:

Epigone
Apr 14th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Just reading BK4ever's interesting report about Bepa searching for Lex and I think Bepa is copying from My cartoon Bepa rules so I had better do one with Bepa winning everything! (wishful thinking!) :)Maybe you're onto something...

Afterall, she won Memphis after you had her writing lines on the blackboard...

Maybe your drawings are the equivalent of a Bepa voodoo doll :D

Foot's Fingers
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:21 AM
Just read in Russian sport newspaper, that Vera asked Tarpischev by herself not to invite to Fed Cup for the first rnd vs Italy:

- Проясните ситуацию с Верой Звонаревой, которая входила в прошлогодний победный состав.

- Вера не совсем в порядке и сама попросила ее не трогать. Считайте, что отпросилась по уважительной причине.

Meaning translation:
- Pls discribe the situation with Vera Zvonareva, who was playing in last year winning team

- Vera is not exactly in the order and she asked by herself not to disturb her. Pls consider, that she obtain a permission to be absent by good reason

Hope this shot break will help her

Foot's Fingers
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:26 AM
Epigone,

BTW,

just for understanding, what you want to tell by "Я верю тебе Вера!!!"

- I trust you, Vera!
or
- I trust in you, Vera!

pav
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:07 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/beptena1.jpg

pav
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:09 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/beptenb1.jpg

pav
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:21 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/beptencx.jpg

Shoulderpova
Apr 14th, 2005, 11:07 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/beptenb1.jpg
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
anyway Я в тебя верю Вера :kiss: :kiss: :worship: :bounce: :kiss: :hug: :hug: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch:

Epigone
Apr 14th, 2005, 01:27 PM
If she asked not to be considered to play Fed Cup, things must not be good :sad:

pav :bowdown:

rrfnpump
Apr 14th, 2005, 01:37 PM
Didnt have much time this week cause of some tests, but Bepas loss after wasting 3 mps didnt make me feel better :sad:

I think Vera still struggles but she will find her back back to form! She would have lost to Iveta in straight sets at the beginning of the year!
I believe in Bepa :yeah: (same with Nastya)

goldenlox
Apr 14th, 2005, 02:37 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/beptenb1.jpgThis is Myskina too :lol:

Vera should stay positive, and move forward.

Epigone
Apr 14th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Zvonareva's emotional rescue

Sixth-seed Vera Zvonareva needed to let out a little emotion.

After dropping the first set against Shuai Peng, then winning the opening game of the second set, Zvonareva yelled, "I'm never going to be able to play good tennis, ever!"

That clearly wasn't true as she rallied to a 4-6, 6-4, 7-6 (9-7) win over Peng. Zvonareva was in a better mood after the match. She said she needed to release some of her frustration on her coach, Lex Carrington.

"It happens sometimes. Who else can I yell at? I'm yelling at myself enough," she said. "He knows it's in the match."

Zvonareva said the frustration came from not making the adjustments she needed in her first match on clay this year. She said she should have used more drop shots and more spin serves.

Carrington left Stadium Court in the third set.

"I think he just wanted me to concentrate on my game," Zvonareva said. "He just gave me a little space to be myself on the court."link (http://www.times-union.com/tu-online/stories/040705/spl_18415540.shtml)

Bepa wins a game, and then immediately gets down on herself? :scratch: :sad:

martirogi
Apr 14th, 2005, 03:12 PM
pav ur drawings are :hearts:

daniela86
Apr 14th, 2005, 05:05 PM
i'm a fan of pav's drawings :yeah: :) Great job like always :worship: :worship: i'm glad we have an artist in this thread :p :p

andrewbroad
Apr 14th, 2005, 11:06 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/beptenb1.jpg

:lol:

Bepa will have to find her form to stay in the top ten for a long time if she's going to accomplish this mission!

Love the eyes - just like the real thing! :hearts:

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pav
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:39 AM
[QUOTE=Epigone]Who else can I yell at? I'm yelling at myself enough," she said. You do have to laugh! the Woman is a natural comedian!:lol: It didn't seem funny at the time, but reading that quote I can't help but giggle! She is a bit of a worry though:sad:

Clai
Apr 15th, 2005, 12:05 PM
nice drawings pav.

i really hope that Vera would be able to find positive releases of her emotions during games.

go Vera!

goldenlox
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:24 PM
I don't agree with Lex moving around. It means Vera wastes time looking for him.
That's a distraction.
I think Lex should either sit there, or leave.
But don't create a situation where Vera is looking for where Lex is during the match.

Epigone
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:35 PM
If he leaves, he doesn't get to see how she is playing, and then work with her to improve her game.

Bepa has to be mature enough to play without looking for him.

goldenlox
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:37 PM
No, I thought about this.
It's a goofy distraction. Either be there, or leave totally, so Vera's not looking around between points.
Vera needs to focus better. This kind of distraction can't be a good thing.

Epigone
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:46 PM
It's a goofy distraction. Either be there, or leave totally, so Vera's not looking around between points.Players should be looking into the crowd between points. He can't coach her, so why does she do it?

Vera needs to focus better. This kind of distraction can't be a good thing.Ah, so you've finally come around :D

goldenlox
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:49 PM
Players should be looking into the crowd between points. He can't coach her, so why does she do it?
Vera shouldn't be scanning the crowd between points to find her coach.
It's crazy.

Epigone
Apr 15th, 2005, 03:00 PM
It's crazy.:tape: :p

Look what Bepa said in that article: "I think he just wanted me to concentrate on my game," Zvonareva said. "He just gave me a little space to be myself on the court."

He shouldn't have to leave in order to get her to concentrate on her game.

Lex should sit in one place and take note, and Bepa should focus on what's happening inside the white lines.

goldenlox
Apr 15th, 2005, 06:18 PM
I think Vera is playing Warsaw next. That looks like a tough field with Kim, Justine, Amelie, Sveta, among others.

Epigone
Apr 16th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Yep, Warsaw is her next tournament

I'm not really concerned about the other players in the field, and I don't think the field should concern Bepa.

She has to focus on each match as it comes, and not get distracted by petty things. She should also stop putting herself down.

How about some positivity for once? :)

goldenlox
Apr 16th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Warsaw is a Tier I field, but not for Tier I money and points.
But the way Vera is playing, that doesn't matter.
She needs to play well. And finish the match, when she's ahead.

Epigone
Apr 16th, 2005, 02:34 PM
Bepa has SF points to defend, so I'm hoping for a good result.

This is the first red clay tournament of the year for many of these players, so her fortunes could change.

If she doesn't take herself out of matches, I think that she'll be fine.

goldenlox
Apr 16th, 2005, 02:39 PM
From what I've read, Vera didn't play badly in her last match.
But she needs to finish. She needs wins.

Epigone
Apr 16th, 2005, 02:54 PM
From what I've read, Vera didn't play badly in her last match.
But she needs to finish. She needs wins.There is a difference between not playing badly, and playing well.

Besides, didn't she give a game away because she was basically grabbing a ball, and serving it immediately?

goldenlox
Apr 16th, 2005, 03:07 PM
I'm not getting to watch these matches. But I know that even when Vera is in her best form, she gets emotional at times.
But in Montreal, she served out the match against Maria.
And blew away Golovin.
So I don't care about a momentary outburst.
I want Vera to play well, and finish well.

Epigone
Apr 16th, 2005, 03:17 PM
The problem is that these outbursts aren't just momentary events.

Sometimes she can recover, but there have been many times when she has taken herself out of matches.

A top 10 player shouldn't throw away a 4-1 lead and go looking for her coach in the crowd when the match tightens up.

Epigone
Apr 18th, 2005, 02:50 PM
I was searching for info on Bepa's first coach, and found this article... Вера с характером
Женский Masters превращается в Russian Open
Обалдеть: пять российских девушек — Мыскина, Дементьева, Кузнецова, Шарапова и в самый последний момент Звонарева — пробились в восьмерку сильнейших мирового рейтинга. Теперь (только бы не было травм!) они примут участие в супертурнире Masters, главном по итогам года. Из мужчин пробиться туда удалось лишь Марату Сафину, завоевавшему на днях в Париже 3-й титул в сезоне.
Теперь уже никто из теннисных поклонников не усомнится, что у Веры Звонаревой бойцовский характер. Сколько бы ни ругали ее за истерики на корте, за разбитые ракетки... Она очень хотела на Masters — и добилась своего. Хотя уже готова была лететь в Москву в полнейшем моральном упадке — после неудач в Швейцарии и Австрии. Уставшая, со слезами на глазах ехала в аэропорт... Как вдруг — успокоилась, собралась и... купила билет в Филадельфию. Тот турнир был ее последним шансом. Но Вера сумела им воспользоваться. Выбила из борьбы Дженнифер Каприати, которой уступала 30 очков, и отвоевала у нее путевку в Лос-Анджелес — хотя американка уже считала ее своей.
Корреспондент “МК” позвонила с поздравлениями маме Веры Наталье Звонаревой (в девичестве Быковой ) — кстати, бронзовой призерке Олимпиады-80 по хоккею с мячом:
- Мои друзья удивляются, насколько разная Вера на корте и в жизни. Всем кажется, что она всегда такая взрывная, эмоциональная. А на самом-то деле спокойная как удав. Ее вообще из себя вывести невозможно. Думаю, она такая же максималистка, как я. Привыкла отдавать спорту все силы без остатка — лишь бы стать лучшей...
- Значит, вы одобряете ее срывы на корте? Соперницам вот не всегда они нравятся...
-Ну, это их проблемы. Наверное, им просто трудно ее одолеть. Главное, в Туре к ней все хорошо относятся... А я вот тоже могла с досады клюшечкой по воротам постучать.
-В вашей семье сплошные женщины: вы, бабушка, — а у Веры характер твердый, не скажешь, что без отца росла.
- Так я ей и за мать, и за отца была. Закаляла ее. Помню, Вера говорит: “Ой, мам, на улице холодно, скользко, не пойду на тренировку!” А я жестко: “Ну-ка, быстренько собралась и пошла!” Никаких поблажек.
-Вера — одна из немногих наших теннисисток, кто вырос в России. Как вам это удалось?
- Благодаря ее тренеру Екатерине Ивановне Крючковой — это она возможности находила, чтобы Веру на турниры отправлять. Мне тоже очень много работать приходилось и каждую копейку откладывать, чтобы летать вместе с ней.
- А где вы работаете?
- В реабилитационном центре Дикуля спортивным врачом. Недавно вот Миша Южный звонил: можно, говорит, приеду к вам спину подлечить? Дикуль столько раз и Веруню на ноги ставил. Помню, она с юниорского чемпионата Европы приехала, вообще ходить не могла — так упала неудачно. Так он ей сказал: “Через неделю побежишь!” И не обманул.
-Правда, что у Маши Шараповой тяжелая травма?
- Да, она в Швейцарии очень серьезно повредила плечо. Организм молодой — нагрузок не выдержал. В Филадельфии она снялась. Поедет ли на Masters, никто пока не знает...

Московский Комсомолец
от 09.11.2004
Елена ШПИЗ.So many interesting things :eek:

That's the most I've ever seen written about her mother, and on the way in which Bepa was raised. She sounds like a very strong woman :D

Also, the story about changing the ticket is amazing :bowdown:.
However, I can't help but think that all of that extra strain at the end of last has affected her play this year...:sad:

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2005, 02:57 PM
However, I can't help but think that all of that extra strain at the end of last has affected her play this year...:sad:As a pro, she has to leave last year in the past.
There's no alternative.
The other players will not feel sorry for Vera. They are trying to win.
Vera has to compete for every point.

Epigone
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:13 PM
As a pro, she has to leave last year in the past.
There's no alternative.
The other players will not feel sorry for Vera. They are trying to win.
Vera has to compete for every point.Uhm, yes.

Hard schedules can affect players in different ways, and I think that Bepa's schedule has finally caught up with her. However, she is going to need to fight through it because she has lots of points to defend in the upcoming months.

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Vera has barely played in the last 6 weeks. I don't blame last year's schedule.
This is how tennis works - if you win, you keep playing. So you wear down.
Then, you start losing, and you have every Wednesday-Sunday off.
Eventually, you get a lot of rest, and hopefully, you start winning again.
It's a normal cycle.

Epigone
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:27 PM
She has been sick recently, but I think the problem is more mental than physical. She is putting a lot of added pressure on herself, and there is no telling how that is affecting her.

From all reports, she was fairly calm in Memphis, but she has gone downhill again. If there wasn't a problem, she wouldn't have made herself unavailable for Fed Cup.

It's a question of what is causing her game to fall apart.

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:38 PM
There's no pressure. Vera has been losing to Vives and Benesova. So what?
Life doesn't end.
The real pressure is when you make a slam final. You might never get that far again.
Yet Sveta won, and she has plenty of losses in big matches.
There's no pressure in round 2 of a one week tournament.

Epigone
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:48 PM
There's no pressure. Vera has been losing to Vives and Benesova. So what?
Life doesn't end.
The real pressure is when you make a slam final. You might never get that far again.The pressure that she puts on herself to not make mistakes could possibly surpass the pressure of a Slam final.

She is hypercritical, and it has a dramatic impact on the way she plays.

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:54 PM
If Vera feels so much pressure, I recommend playing more doubles.

I was just looking at the new prizemoney totals for 2005.
Vera is at $140,000. Nadia and Nastya are at $210,000.
So Vera is about $70,000 off her good form.
Get to the RG quarters, and you'll be on track for $ 1 million plus again this year.

Epigone
Apr 18th, 2005, 03:57 PM
If Vera feels so much pressure, I recommend playing more doubles.I remember that I was arguing for this a month or two ago, and you were against it :D

Here is something unrelated, yet interesting, from the YEC: Слушая следующий вопрос, задаваемый Кузнецовой, я немного похолодел. Некоторые теннисистки реагируют на него агрессивно. Отчасти потому, что он им попросту надоел. Вопрос простой: «Почему россиянки играют так хорошо?» Например, Вера Звонарева воспринимает его как признак неуважения к себе. Неужели, недоумевает она, так трудно прослушать или прочитать предыдущий репортаж? Ведь сто раз уже приходилось говорить об этом.

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2005, 04:12 PM
If Vera feels so much pressure, I recommend playing more doubles.I don't believe she feels so much pressure.
She's just not playing well enough.

pav
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:48 PM
I was searching for info on Bepa's first coach, and found this article...So many interesting things :eek:

That's the most I've ever seen written about her mother, and on the way in which Bepa was raised. She sounds like a very strong woman :D

Also, the story about changing the ticket is amazing :bowdown:.
However, I can't help but think that all of that extra strain at the end of last has affected her play this year...:sad:

I'm more concerned that Naughty Young Bepa tried to get out of training because it was cold!:fiery:

_LuCaS_
Apr 18th, 2005, 08:22 PM
I was just looking at the new prizemoney totals for 2005.

Aren't we forgeting something?
:hearts: insert money related text here :hearts:
:p

Epigone
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:17 AM
I don't believe she feels so much pressure.
She's just not playing well enough.Her actions tell a different story. When she throws away service games through rushing, it isn't because she isn't playing well, but rather because she isn't focused. She puts too much pressure on herself to perform,and it wrecks her game.

A comment from the match against Benesova: Like I said in it, nothing is wrong with Vera's game, its all mental.If you watch her play enough times, you'll notice this behaviour repeats itself.

In the next match she might be perfectly calm, or she may continue to be :shout:. There's no telling what will happen.

goldenlox
Apr 19th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Every player has slumps. It seems like a lot of players I root for are having trouble repeating their 2004 success.
Vera knows how to win. Now go do it :angel:

Epigone
Apr 20th, 2005, 08:18 AM
Vera knows how to win. Now go do it :angel:I don't think that she has had the confidence to win lately :sad:

People were saying how they thought that winning Memphis would give her a huge confidence boost, but I wasn't so sure, based on what happened last year.

I think getting sick before IW threw off any sense of momentum, and she was still sick in Miami, and then she lost a match that she should never have lost, and her self-belief disappeared.

Bepa isn't a player who pumps herself up to perform, so will have to grind out some wins, regain some confidence, and then perform well in Berlin, Rome, and Paris.

TartarVicario
Apr 20th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Vera is playing in Warsaw.

Epigone
Apr 20th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Vera is playing in Warsaw.Yes, she will be seeded #3, but Kim and Justine are also in the field, so it should be interesting.

This is the time she has to find her form, and then she will hopefully carry that form into the three big European clay events.

Ola is going to Warsaw, so hopefully she will be able to see Bepa play, and cheer her on.

pav
Apr 20th, 2005, 07:25 PM
During the Match


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/bepsmokecv.jpg

pav
Apr 20th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Later

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/bepsmokebv.jpg

andrewbroad
Apr 20th, 2005, 10:37 PM
Bepa isn't a player who pumps herself up to perform,

What was it that she did at Philadelphia 2004, then?

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Epigone
Apr 21st, 2005, 02:23 AM
What was it that she did at Philadelphia 2004, then?Compared to players who constantly pump their fist when they hit a winner, or when their opponent makes an error, Bepa is very reserved.

She is more likely to beat herself up than she is to celebrate a point.

What's more, just look how she reacted to the biggest win of her career at the French Open...

daniela86
Apr 22nd, 2005, 08:17 PM
Compared to players who constantly pump their fist when they hit a winner, or when their opponent makes an error, Bepa is very reserved.

She is more likely to beat herself up than she is to celebrate a point.

What's more, just look how she reacted to the biggest win of her career at the French Open...

exactly :yeah: I think that may be because she respects people too much just like serena who didn't show her emotions when she won GSs against vee in final.She doesn't want to make them sad even more and she is very reserved. I also think that she doesn't like to show her personnalty too much, she is on court to play tennis not to exhibit herself .
Btw, good luck bepa at Warsaw :bigclap: :bigclap: I hope she took advantadge of her week off to rest and that she'll be ready to win against anyone on red clay !! :bounce: she can do it!! udachiiiiiiiiiii the future clay queen :clap2: :clap2:

goldenlox
Apr 23rd, 2005, 03:56 PM
Vera has a bye in Warsaw. She's in Kim's section, so one win here would be good.
Probably faces Hantuchova.

Epigone
Apr 23rd, 2005, 04:08 PM
Kim Clijsters vs. Qualifier
Meghann Shaughnessy vs. Iveta Benesova
Kosinska vs. Daniela Hantuchova
(3) Vera Zvonareva - BYE

Bepa has SF points to defend, which means that she'll need to beat Kim to defend her points

She'll have to beat players like Kim if she wants to win the French Open, so bring it on :cool:

Epigone
Apr 23rd, 2005, 05:29 PM
If Bepa does play Daniela, she should include some moonballs in her arsenal.

Bepa used high balls to great effect in the 2000 Orange Bowl final against Edina Gallovits, and Daniela has proven in the past that she doesn't like moonballs...

daniela86
Apr 23rd, 2005, 05:43 PM
Awful draw for Bepa :scared: :mad: Kim is in a great shape right now :mad: :mad: but Vera almost defeat her in their only meeting at Flushing Meadow(even if it was some years ago) and on clay, our Bepa has the capacity to defeat anyone:cool: so, i think she has a chance and it's indeed a great opportunity to win some bonus points :drool: Nevertheless, she has to play the winner of Karolina-Danka first. Bepa never played against both of them but she probably know how Danka plays as they practised together at Miami. I hope to see this match coz they are my 2 favourite players:cool:. Plus, if Bepa plays against Karolina, she will have the crowd against her :( :( Davai Bepa!!!!I hope to see you on TV!!!:D KICK EVERYBODY's ASS!!!

_LuCaS_
Apr 23rd, 2005, 07:25 PM
Kim around is not good but at least Bepa should have a good preparation for the French, against one of the major contenders.
Good Luck Bepa :bigclap:

andrewbroad
Apr 23rd, 2005, 09:18 PM
So we're tantalisingly close to the first-ever Bepa v Daniela singles match!! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

The groundspersons had better have plenty of squeegees on hand for when these two play each other! ;)

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Clai
Apr 24th, 2005, 06:26 AM
The prospect of a Vera - Daniela match really excites me! They're both my favorites. Who do I root for this one? heheheheh

Should Vera win over Daniela, I think she has the game to push Kim to the limits. But I honestly hope that she'll be able to beat Kim too. Meantime, I hope the Vera - Daniela match would materialize...

Go girls!
Go Vera!
Go Daniela!

daniela86
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:38 PM
Vera is playing doubles with Silvia Farina Elia this week :eek: :eek: it is a surprising team but i think they can do something great here as Farina is the defending champion in doubles and Bepa is a top 20 player in doubles :p :D :worship: :worship: :aparty: They are the 4th seeds :D

Here is the whole draw:

1) Black/Huber vs Qualifiers
Chladkova/Dragomir Ilie vs (WC) Brozda/Kosinska
(3) McShea/Vento-Kabchi vs Ivanovic/Krizan
G.Navratilova/Pastikova vs Jans/Rosolska

Bensova/Talaja vs Perebiynis/Strycova
Dekmeijere/Miyagi vs (4) Farina Elia/Zvonareva
Domachowska/Kirilenko vs Koryttseva/Tvaroskova
Rodionova/Vesnina vs (2) Hantuchova/Schiavone

Epigone
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:42 PM
(1) Black/Huber vs Qualifiers
Chladkova/Dragomir Ilie vs (WC) Brozda/Kosinska
(3) McShea/Vento-Kabchi vs Ivanovic/Krizan
G.Navratilova/Pastikova vs Jans/Rosolska

Bensova/Talaja vs Perebiynis/Strycova
Dekmeijere/Miyagi vs (4) Farina Elia/Zvonareva
Domachowska/Kirilenko vs Koryttseva/Tvaroskova
Rodionova/Vesnina vs (2) Hantuchova/Schiavone

Besides K-Lina last year, I can't really think of another non-Russian player who has partnered Bepa in doubles :scratch:

Silvia is a good doubles player, so they will hopefully be very competitive :D

daniela86
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:49 PM
Lol Epi we have thought about posting the draw at the same time :p
I think K-Lina was the only non-russian player with whom Bepa played in doubles in 2004/2005 (she also played with Golovin this year at AI but Tati's also russian by her origins) but in 2003, Bepa had a lot of non-russian partners like Stevenson,Bea Bielik etc.

Epigone
Apr 24th, 2005, 01:18 PM
Lol Epi we have thought about posting the draw at the same time :p :lol:

I think K-Lina was the only non-russian player with whom Bepa played in doubles in 2004/2005 (she also played with Golovin this year at AI but Tati's also russian by her origins) but in 2003, Bepa had a lot of non-russian partners like Stevenson,Bea Bielik etc.I think she has much better results in doubles when she plays with her friends, so I'm hoping that Bepa and Silvia build up an understanding quickly.

If she had decided to play with Sveta, I would feel much more confident, and not just because Sveta is a really good doubles player.

Bepa needs her partner to keep her focused, and I think her friends (people like Nastya and Lena L.) can get the best out of her.

Epigone
Apr 24th, 2005, 02:51 PM
In WTA Tour events since the start of 2003, Bepa has played 33 tournaments with 8 Russian partners, and 6 tournaments with 6 non-Russian partners.

Russians
Myskina x 17, Krasnoroutskaya x 4, Likhovtseva x 4, Dementieva x 2, Kirilenko x 2, Sharapova x 2, Safina x 1, Panova x 1

Non-Russians
Diaz-Oliva x 1, Bielik x 1, Stevenson x 1, Harkleroad x 1, Sprem x 1, Golovin x 1

So 4 non-Russians in 2003, 1 in 2004, and it will be 2 in 2005 after Warsaw :)

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:58 AM
That inconsiderate Bepa and Sylvia are playing doubles at about one am N.Z. time, They don't care about My beauty sleep!:sad:

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:33 AM
That inconsiderate Bepa and Sylvia are playing doubles at about one am N.Z. time, They don't care about My beauty sleep!:sad:That's horrible :crying2:

I estimate that they'll play at around 2pm local time, which should be a nice 10pm for me. Hopefully the scoreboard behaves itself :D

The match against Benesova at Charleston almost killed me, both because of the result, and because of the timing :yawn:

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 11:56 AM
Bepa and Sylvia, They will be getting ready
will Bepa get hot headed,will Sylvia be more steady?
can They play well together,just natually gel?
a good doubles team together? it's too early to tell
will there be handslaps and smiles, or swearing and crying?
hugs when it's over or will the fists start flying?
I hope by the time I've written this Maria K. has won
and Bepa and Sylvia's bloody Match has begun!:fiery:

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 12:52 PM
The match was on the board for about 30 minutes before it actually started :(

Bepa and Silvia held to lead 1-0*, so let's hope they can keep rolling :)

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Good start alright!

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:09 PM
I see Bepa has now become Mauresmo in the singles draw

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Bepa and Silvia took the 1st set 6-0 :bigclap:

There was a small blip on the radar when they had to save at least two break points at *4-0, but everything else was pretty comfortable

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Good start to the second,keep it up Girls I wanna go to bed!!:zzz:

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:29 PM
I see Bepa has now become Mauresmo in the singles drawNew draw
Bepa - Bye
Sucha - Ivanovic
Razzano - Domachowska
Maleeva - Dechy

On red clay, a player of Bepa's calibre should handle this quarter comfortably. If she is focused this week, I can see a very good tournament in the making :)

Bepa and Silvia lead 6-0 *3-1

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:38 PM
New draw
Bepa - Bye
Sucha - Ivanovic
Razzano - Domachowska
Maleeva - Dechy

On red clay, a player of Bepa's calibre should handle this quarter comfortably. If she is focused this week, I can see a very good tournament in the making :)

Bepa and Silvia lead 6-0 *3-1
Hope You are right, nearly bedtime, shouldn't speak too soon!

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Bepa and Silvia won 6-0 6-1 :bigclap: :woohoo:

pav, you can :zzz: now :D

pav
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Yes! well done ! goodnight!:)

Clai
Apr 25th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Great win Sylvia and Vera! I hope Vera capitalizes on the changes in the draw. Her quarters now look easier.

Go Vera!

goldenlox
Apr 25th, 2005, 02:06 PM
Ivanovic beat Sveta and Nadia in Miami. So this won't be easy.
But it's much better than playing Kim.
Vera can use this opportunity to start the red clay season in a big way.
But she has to play well.

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 02:25 PM
The key is focus. Bepa is one of the best clay court players around, but she needs to remain focused.

That means no searching for Lex, and ignoring crowd noise.

Foot's Fingers
Apr 25th, 2005, 02:28 PM
Good Start at Poland from Vera!!!

Good Luck in main draw as well!!!

_LuCaS_
Apr 25th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Good luck Bepa :)

goldenlox
Apr 25th, 2005, 04:53 PM
It's time for Vera to start playing well.
After this, it's 2 Tier I's and then 2 majors.
No room for slumps anymore. Compete for every point.

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:21 PM
You can be pretty sure that Lex had something to say after her behaviour during the match against Benesova.

She needs to learn how to cope when she isn't happy with the way that she is playing, which seems to be a great deal of the time :o

goldenlox
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM
This is Vera's first full year with Lex, and so far, things aren't working out.
But the year is still young.
RG is getting closer, and I want to see some improvement from Vera and Nastya.

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:41 PM
This is Vera's first full year with Lex, and so far, things aren't working out.Bepa knows that she was in the wrong at Charleston, and while Lex can help her to change her behaviour, it's ultimately up to her.

She has to listen to his advice, and then make it work for her. Once she is on the court, she is on her own.

goldenlox
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Vera needs to play well. I'm running out of patience :smash:
:lol:

Epigone
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Vera needs to play well. I'm running out of patience :smash:
:lol:You aren't the only one!

I've noticed that my favourite players are very talented, but seem to be constantly underperforming. However, as long as they are enjoying their tennis, I'll keep supporting them :)

daniela86
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Vera/Silvia :eek: :eek: i supposed they would win but i thought it would be thougher :p Congrats for this very cool win girls!! :kiss: :bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap: :yeah: :clap2: :worship:
Hope it boosted Vera's mental and that she will arrive on court very confident and focused :) :worship: I agree that it will be much easier for Bepa because she won't face Kim but she needs to be wary all the same. Ana 's best surface is clay and when Ana is confident she can really play very well. But our Bepa has more experience , hope it will help her :) Udachi Bepa!!!!!I 'm also very very very very impatient to see her playing like last summer :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

andrewbroad
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:55 PM
I'm very angry about Bepa being moved to the top of the draw. Not only does this deny me my mouthwatering Bepa v Daniela match (unless they meet in the final), it means Bepa will likely have to take on the most dangerous unseeded player in the draw (Ana Ivanovic) when Bepa is at her most vulnerable! :scared:

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jeldani/

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:51 AM
it means Bepa will likely have to take on the most dangerous unseeded player in the draw (Ana Ivanovic) when Bepa is at her most vulnerable! :scared:She needs to play her way back into form, and this is a good way to do it. Yes, she'll get less quality points, but if she can't beat Ana, what hope does she have for the French Open?

If Bepa is timing the ball well, then I think she will probably opt for a more defensive gameplan, and she should use some slice to keep the ball deep and get Ana bending to reach it.

_LuCaS_
Apr 26th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Ana is not there yet ;)

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Ana is not there yet ;)Yeah :D

We need to see how Martina and Ana play in their match before people start hitting the panic button.

However, I still like to think about different match tactics depending on the opponent :cool:

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 12:30 PM
Check out these (http://wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=5335207&postcount=1) great Bepa pics from Warsaw :worship:

The elusive Lex has been captured in the 2nd pic :cool:

When you see pics of Bepa :) off court, it's hard to imagine her as the girl who seems to be :crying2: all the time :shrug:

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Okay, Ana beat Martina Sucha 6-0 6-0, and will face Bepa in the 2nd round.

Sucha only hit 1 winner vs 12 UEs, with Ana hitting 17 vs 7.

Like I said, I think playing defensively would probably be a smart way to start, with the option of picking off short balls for winners. Bepa doesn't need to go blazing from the baseline immediately. Keep her moving and reaching for low balls, and you'll get her tired :yeah:

rrfnpump
Apr 26th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Bepa vs Ana :unsure:

_LuCaS_
Apr 26th, 2005, 01:43 PM
OK Ana is there now :eek:
I am a little worried, not much :scared:
Bepa needs this victory.

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Vera is vulnerable because she isn't competing well.
If she doesn't compete for every point, she won't win this match.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:02 PM
Vera is vulnerable because she isn't competing well.
If she doesn't compete for every point, she won't win this match.I don't think that the situation is that dire, but Bepa needs to be more focused than she has been in the recent past.

Yes, the GM has exploded into a wave of Ana is going to crush Vera, but waxing Sucha does not mean waxing Zvonareva.
If Bepa is focused and plays her natural clay game, I'm not worried about the oucome.

Does Bepa (http://www.jandscup.pl/zdj/2005_04_25_2/987.jpg) look worried?

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:04 PM
I expect Ivanovic to win. I want Vera to get her game together.
After Warsaw, there are 2 Tier I's and 2 majors.
This is a good time to start playing well.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:14 PM
I expect Ivanovic to win. I want Vera to get her game together.
After Warsaw, there are 2 Tier I's and 2 majors.
This is a good time to start playing well.Bepa is giving off a different vibe in the pics that I've seen of her from Warsaw.

For some reason, I think she looks younger and more focused...or maybe that's just wishful thinking :shrug:

_LuCaS_
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:03 PM
I expect Ivanovic to win. I want Vera to get her game together.
Well make up your mind...traitor :p

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:06 PM
I don't want Ivanovic to win.
I didn't want her to beat Nadia or Sveta. Vera is losing to worse players.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I don't want Ivanovic to win.
I didn't want her to beat Nadia or Sveta. Vera is losing to worse players.Both players with their heads in the clouds from time to time.

Look at Bepa's eyes in the Warsaw pics.

The killer instinct may just have returned :cool:

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:13 PM
I saw the pics. Adidas is going all white.
On red clay, that means don't fall down. Red blotches all over your outfit.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:23 PM
I saw the pics. Adidas is going all white.
On red clay, that means don't fall down. Red blotches all over your outfit.To me, that is a sign of commitment.

I want Bepa covered in red clay :D

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:27 PM
I remember when Anna fell in a RG match in 2002.
It's not a pretty sight, all that clay on your outfit.
Better to stay on your feet.

_LuCaS_
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:34 PM
As long as you win...it doesn't really matter does it? Of course if your name is not queen S.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:34 PM
As long as she gets the job done, I don't care how she looks at the end of the match.

Tennis is a sport, and not a fashion show.

I want dirt flying all over the place as she slides to retrieve balls, and if she needs to get covered in clay to hit a winner, then so be it :)

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Vera has to win, AND stay clean.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Vera has to win, AND stay clean.Bepa has to win, AND be happy, AND remain healthy.

goldenlox
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:50 PM
Win, happy, healthy, AND clean.

_LuCaS_
Apr 26th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Win, happy, healthy, AND clean.
Oh girls :yawn:

daniela86
Apr 26th, 2005, 06:03 PM
As long as she gets the job done, I don't care how she looks at the end of the match.

Tennis is a sport, and not a fashion show.

I want dirt flying all over the place as she slides to retrieve balls, and if she needs to get covered in clay to hit a winner, then so be it :)

I agree :cool: and it's right that Bepa looks different in those pics :yeah: :D She seems relaxed and she is enjoying what she is doing :D :D :D
Nevertheless, i must admit that i'm scared of Ana :scared: :scared:It won't be an easy match even if Vera is at 100% not because Ana defeated Martina 6/0 6/0 (Sucha wasn't in a great shape, she lost to Baczinsky in Fed Cup) but because Ana has nothing to lose against Vera and her confidence is very very high after her good tournament at Miami and her win against Sucha . She will try a lot of winners for sure :scared: Plus, Ana's favourite surface is clay too.:scared: Good luck Vera all the same :bounce: I really adore Ana but Vera needs this win more. GO VERA!!

daniela86
Apr 26th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Kim won with a lot of difficulties against Tatiana Perebyinis 7/5 6/7 6/1, this change in draw may have been a drawback for Bepa.I'm sure that if she has played against Kim today, she would have won.

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 06:14 PM
She will try a lot of winners for sure :scared: Plus, Ana's favourite surface is clay too.:scared:If Bepa keeps the ball low, Ana will have to get down low to the ball, and generate her own pace. If Bepa covers the baseline well, she'll force Ana to hit for the lines if she wants to go for winners. Make her play one more shot, and it could force her into an error.

Of course, Ana had a very high percentage of points won on her serve, so Bepa will have to put pressure of Ana's serve, while also trying to keep her own under control.

It should be an interesting match :D

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Bepa won't play Ana until Thursday

Wednesday - Court 4
Not before 2.30pm
Tatiana Perebiynis/Barbora Strycova vs Silvia Farina Elia/Vera Zvonareva

Udachi!!! :bounce:

Epigone
Apr 26th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Oh, one thing that's bugging me about those pics, and it's something that I've noticed since Miami...she hasn't got her left wrist taped anymore :scratch:

The tape was there in Memphis, then she got sick and missed IW, but the tape was gone in Miami, and I haven't seen it since.

Why did she get rid of the tape, and could this change be affecting her backhand in some way?

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 26th, 2005, 07:42 PM
this is crunch time for Vera, got to make some good results here to give herself confidence

got a very tough match vs Ana Ivanovic.

come on Vera, you'll turn it around soon :)
good luck :)

andrewbroad
Apr 26th, 2005, 11:30 PM
but if she can't beat Ana, what hope does she have for the French Open?

Exactly - I think this match will determine whether or not Bepa is a genuine contender for this year's French Open title - but I wish Bepa could have played herself into form before facing this extremely dangerous opponent.

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Daniel
Apr 27th, 2005, 02:16 AM
790Oh girls :yawn:


:lol:


Vamos VEra, :worship:

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 05:03 AM
Exactly - I think this match will determine whether or not Bepa is a genuine contender for this year's French Open title - but I wish Bepa could have played herself into form before facing this extremely dangerous opponent.I think that the nature of her last loss may actually end up helping her if she finally heeds it as a massive wakeup call.
I was hoping the US Open meltdown would have this effect, but it didn't :o

The bottom line is that her focus has been way off, and if she has spent the past week working on improving it, she has more than enough game to win this match.

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 07:02 AM
Wow, Bepa is at odds of 29/20 (1.45) against Ana :eek: :fiery:

nick_chicane
Apr 27th, 2005, 07:53 AM
Maybe he would swap seats with people? :shrug: :p

BK4ever's report is here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=161262). It sounds like Lex was letting his feelings be known :tape:. Had that been Julia, I think her response would have been :hug:.

I dont think you can always hug a player after a loss, sometimes they need to know that theyve messed up!! If Vera lost a match after playing REALLY well and it coming down to just one point, then yeah, thats the when you give them a hug and say you did everything you could and it just wasnt your day!! If she loses a match by just being pathetic on court, then i think you do have to be harsh with her and tell her what you think!!

nick_chicane
Apr 27th, 2005, 07:56 AM
If she asked not to be considered to play Fed Cup, things must not be good :sad:

pav :bowdown:

I think that shows a sign of maturity, she was able to recognise that she wasnt playing well and she didnt wanna let anyone down so she withdrew, i say well done Bepa on having such a decent attitude when it comes to that!! Now just sort out the one on the court!! :lol:

nick_chicane
Apr 27th, 2005, 08:12 AM
Yeah, the bookies have made Ivanovic favourite to win the match so now its Bepa's chance to prove them all wrong!! :)

_LuCaS_
Apr 27th, 2005, 11:20 AM
Yeah, the bookies have made Ivanovic favourite to win the match so now its Vera's chance to prove them all wrong!! :)
and make me some money ;)

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 11:37 AM
and make me some money ;)I bet 100 vBucks on Bepa. That's the largest bet I've ever placed, but I know I won't regret it :D

Clai
Apr 27th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Show me the money Bepa!

nick_chicane
Apr 27th, 2005, 12:56 PM
and make me some money ;)

Yeah, im abit of a gambler too though i dont tend to back Bepa's matches cause if she loses its double the punishment!! :lol:

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Yeah, im abit of a gambler too though i dont tend to back Bepa's matches cause if she loses its double the punishment!! :lol:Then you should just place a virtual bet on her ;). Betting real money would do my head in, as I find virtual betting stressful enough :o

I usually only bet on players with good odds, and Bepa's odds are much too good to refuse

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 01:29 PM
Doubles disaster in progress :eek:

Bepa and Silvia were serving at 4-2 in the 1st set, and ended up losing the set 5-7 :help:

Davai!!!

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Bepa and Silvia took the 2nd set 6-4 :worship:

They were broken when serving at 3-3, but then managed to break back, hold, and break again :bowdown:

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 02:54 PM
Bepa and Silvia lost 5-7 6-4 4-6 :bigcry:

A horrible, horrible match. There were breaks followed by re-breaks, and it was a huge mess.

It also gave Bepa a two hour workout, which may or may not be a great thing.

goldenlox
Apr 27th, 2005, 02:58 PM
That's out of the way.
Let's see what happens tomorrow. Ivanovic has been playing very well.

saab95
Apr 27th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Silvia has BD today, don't think she was in the game after singles.

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Ivanovic has been playing very well.Yes, she beat Sveta and Nadia in Miami, but those wins weren't totally :eek:

Sveta was slumping and served for that match, but was broken twice. Nadia, well, she has "off days" :o

What it shows is that Ana could be dangerous if Bepa isn't prepared. I'm sure Lex has been working with her, so I'm hoping Bepa turns up with her game face on.

goldenlox
Apr 27th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Vera has been losing to Vives and Benesova.
I hope Vera wins. And if she does, I expect her to make the semis.
But I'll be happy with a solid effort. The upcoming tournaments are very important.

Epigone
Apr 27th, 2005, 03:30 PM
Vera has been losing to Vives and Benesova.She lost to Vives after being sick and sitting out for a month. In fact, according to what people have said, there is a good chance she was still sick in Miami.

The loss to Benesova was largely mental. She had a huge meltdown, and threw the match away. Hopefully she has addressed the issues that caused that, although it seems like a similar scene to the US Open last year.

If she can play the match without looking for Lex, being distracted by the crowd, throwing things, and crying, she should win. The shots are largely there, but her head isn't. It's time to bring her head to the party.

daniela86
Apr 27th, 2005, 04:10 PM
Bepa and Silvia lost 5-7 6-4 4-6 :bigcry:

A horrible, horrible match. There were breaks followed by re-breaks, and it was a huge mess.

It also gave Bepa a two hour workout, which may or may not be a great thing.
Indeed :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: I hope it won't affect Bepa's mental and that she will be fresh, self confident and ready to kick an ass tomorrow :) Udachi Bepa! :kiss: better luck at Berlin as far as doubles are concerned (i hope she will play with Nastya there :D )

daniela86
Apr 27th, 2005, 04:16 PM
I bet 100 vBucks on Bepa. That's the largest bet I've ever placed, but I know I won't regret it :D
I may be tempted to bet on her too:D If i win my today's bets, i will have something like 1400 dollars so i'll put 400 dollars on Vera :D but if i lose i'll have only 300 dollars :tape: so i will bet only on matchs where i'm 200% sure of the winner :) (for Vera-Ana i'm only 90% sure that Vera will win:p )

nick_chicane
Apr 27th, 2005, 05:23 PM
A professional gambler would back Ivanovic tomorrow because of Bepa's form and how well Ivanovic is playing!! Ive made £200 which works out about $400 from Clijsters result and Gaudio's result!! As you will probably have guessed, i play with big money but only really back dead certainties to win!!

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 02:37 AM
11.20 on Eurosport (from Centre Court)
Vera Zvonareva vs Ana Ivanovic

Someone who talked to Ana today said that she has an injured ankle link (http://wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=5344948&postcount=6)

vBetting odds on Bepa are now 1.30/1

Clai
Apr 28th, 2005, 05:39 AM
I hope Bepa wins her game.

Go Bepa!

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 09:42 AM
The match has started, and Bepa was broken in her opening service game :o

Someone in the scoring thread said that the commnetators said that Bepa has no coach at the moment :scratch:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 10:10 AM
This is looking terrible.

Bepa lost the 1st set 6-2, and she is just plain flat

Bepa appears to have no confidence, and is letting Ana hit winners all over the place

Her BH, especially on returns, is not working, and her movement is not looking very good.

She is constantly on the back foot, and is hitting shots without setting her feet.

Oh, and she has won 6/17 points on her 1st serve, which is looking mighty slow, and her 2nd serve is even slower :sad:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Forget that rubbish I posted earlier about playing defensive tennis.

Bepa needs to attack, as when she has blasted the ball, she has won many points.

BTW, her serve till sucks, and she served two double faults in her last game, and had to save two break points

She is serving at 2-0, but has been fighting off break points

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 10:44 AM
Bepa leads *3-3

Stat update
Bepa with 14 errors (4 FH, 5 BH, 5 DF)

Ana with 21 errors (10 FH, 9 BH, 2 DF)

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:01 AM
Ana defeated Bepa 6-2 6-4 :bigcry:

Bepa had BP x2 for *3-1 in the 2nd set, and made an error on one of those points, and was then broken when serving at 3-3

There are so many areas that need improvement that I'll be ranting for a week :o

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Vera :( :(

the "spark" she had is no more, she's not enjoying the game right now, its reflecting in her play and results.

really disappointing :sad:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:06 AM
Vera :( :(

the "spark" she had is no more, she's not enjoying the game right now, its reflecting in her play and results.

really disappointing :sad:You're right.
She just looked plain miserable :sad:

The other problem is that she showed no confidence at all. She never looked like she thought that she could win, or that she even wanted to win :shrug:

Clai
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:10 AM
Bepa didn't play aggressively. She was always on defensive and Ana really had her scrambling for the ball several times.

Yeah, she looks disinterested. Why Bepa, why?

Foot's Fingers
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:10 AM
Vera Vera Vera

sad story is contining

nick_chicane
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Something has to change!! She cant take this form into the French Open!! :sad:

By all accounts Ivanovic played well, can anyone confirm that?

Clai
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Vera Vera Vera

sad story is contining

I hope it ends sooner.

pav
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:13 AM
We don't have to be sad when a courageous Bepa goes down fighting in the latter stage of a Tournament to one of the top Players, She doesn't get that far anymore!

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:14 AM
You're right.
She just looked plain miserable :sad:

The other problem is that she showed no confidence at all. She never looked like she thought that she could win, or that she even wanted to win :shrug:

sadly that's even in a worse situation to be in :sad:

daniela86
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Something has to change!! She cant take this form into the French Open!! :sad:

By all accounts Ivanovic played well, can anyone confirm that?
I have not seen the whole match only the second set and indeed, Ana played really well but Vera did some awful errors too.Like everyone said, she didn't have a fight spirit and was really passive, she let Ana develop her game and hit winners :sad: instead of being aggresive. It was obvious that her confidence was extremly low and she made sad faces throughout the 2nd set even when she led 2/0. Poor Bepa :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

nick_chicane
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Well then she has to realise that its only herself that can dig her way out of this awful run!! Theres no one that can magically make her play well again, if she wants to win again then shes gonna have to fight for it!!

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:32 AM
I have not seen the whole match only the second set and indeed, Ana played really well but Vera did some awful errors too.She hit two easy slice backhands into the bottom of the net in the last game :shrug:

Like everyone said, she didn't have a fight spirit and was really passive, she let Ana develop her game and hit winners :sad: instead of being aggresive.If you thought she wasn't aggressive in the 2nd set, then you don't want to know about the 1st set :o. In the 1st set, didn't want to attack at all. She was constantly trying retrieve balls that were going behind her.

It was obvious that her confidence was extremly low and she made sad faces throughout the 2nd set even when she led 2/0. Poor Bepa :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:When she started hitting herself after missing those break points at 2-1, I was really worried, and then she started questioning calls, and she wasn't happy with the balls, and it was a huge mess :bigcry:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 11:37 AM
Well then she has to realise that its only herself that can dig her way out of this awful run!! Theres no one that can magically make her play well again, if she wants to win again then shes gonna have to fight for it!!This is worse than when she wasn't really believing in herself because now she doesn't appear to be enjoying her tennis. Since she isn't having fun, it appears as though she has lost a lot of motivation.

I guess it was good that she wasn't constantly looking at Lex ...

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Did anyone with Eurosport hear something about Bepa not having a coach at the moment?

I definitely saw Lex sitting courtside, so I'm :confused:

Joana
Apr 28th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Did anyone with Eurosport hear something about Bepa not having a coach at the moment?

I definitely saw Lex sitting courtside, so I'm :confused:

Yes, Simon Reed (??? I always get him confused with Chris Bradhnam so maybe it wasn't him) said she's not working with her coach at the moment. But I saw Lex too, so I don't know what's up. :confused:
I can't say I have a problem with today's score :p , but Vera looks really miserable. I wonder what's going on.

Clai
Apr 28th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Maybe Vera needs to have more time out away from competition so that she can re-discover the passion she once had for tennis. It's really puzzling for her to look sad at the time that she was leading 2-0.

_LuCaS_
Apr 28th, 2005, 01:03 PM
This sucks...:fiery:
Next is Nastya losing in Berlin 2nd round and I'll start watching curling :retard:

daniela86
Apr 28th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Did anyone with Eurosport hear something about Bepa not having a coach at the moment?

I definitely saw Lex sitting courtside, so I'm :confused:
They probably confounded Vera's situation with someone else's coz it's a very strange rumor and on Eurosport France,they said Lex was her coatch :confused:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Yes, Simon Reed (??? I always get him confused with Chris Bradhnam so maybe it wasn't him) said she's not working with her coach at the moment. But I saw Lex too, so I don't know what's up. :confused: Thanks :)

I can't say I have a problem with today's score :p, but Vera looks really miserable. I wonder what's going on.It's really strange because she looked so happy in the pics from practice :confused:

It's like when it becomes time to compete, she becomes miserable :shrug: :sad:

saab95
Apr 28th, 2005, 01:51 PM
there were 4 Vera's winners only vs 15 Ana's in the first
So Ana played the second with the smile and Vera with the tears.
Is she ready to play if she was going to cry in 3rd game of the first set?!

goldenlox
Apr 28th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Maybe Vera needs to have more time out away from competition so that she can re-discover the passion she once had for tennis. It's really puzzling for her to look sad at the time that she was leading 2-0.This is the wrong time to take a break.
This is the important part of the season.
Vera has to realize that the other players don't care if she's not playing well.
Vera is on the court by herself, and she has to win by herself.
And for herself.
She has to compete for every point. There are no shortcuts.

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 02:15 PM
there were 4 Vera's winners only vs 15 Ana's in the firstNowhere near enough aggression from Bepa

Is she ready to play if she was going to cry in 3rd game of the first set?!She can't:crying2:because of early disappointment.

The puzzling thing is that Bepa started hitting winners at the start of the 2nd set and took a 2-0 lead, but like Clai said, she still looked :sad:

A new set should be seen as a new start, especially when you take an early lead, but Bepa never acted like she was off to a good start. Her shoulders were still slumped, and she had the same expression on her face as she had when she wasn't in control.

There was no enthusiasm, no fisting pumping (no matter how much I dislike them (with Nadia's fist pumps being the exception :p)), nothing to suggest "Watch out, I'm fighting back".

Where was the fighting spirit? :sad:

BTW, Daniela, I love your sig :p :hug:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Vera is on the court by herself, and she has to win by herself.
And for herself.That's difficult when it appears as though she isn't enjoying her tennis. She needs something to get her motivated.

In the 2nd set, she was walking around the court and looking completely lost.

goldenlox
Apr 28th, 2005, 02:49 PM
I've seen Vera play well, and not look happy.
In the San Diego semi, both Vera and Nastya looked miserable.
Vera has only 29 points to defend in Berlin. She lost in the second round.
After that, Vera defends a lot of points.
She has to start winning, or be ready to fall in the rankings.

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I've seen Vera play well, and not look happy.Ana was playing very well, but Bepa should have countered Ana's power with power of her own. The problem was that she looked disinterested, and some of her shots were just awful.

I don't think she should be really concerned with her ranking at the moment. The most important thing is to find enjoyment in her tennis. I just hate seeing her looking so :sad:

goldenlox
Apr 28th, 2005, 03:45 PM
I saw Vera lose a close match to Sveta at Eastbourne, and then they both were smiling and hitting balls in the crowd.
I'm not concerned with Vera's on court body language.
But if Vera wants to stay in the top 20, she's going to have to start playing better.

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 04:00 PM
I saw Vera lose a close match to Sveta at Eastbourne, and then they both were smiling and hitting balls in the crowd.Maybe it was because she was there with her friend? :shrug:

I'm not concerned with Vera's on court body language.That's obvious, but it's having a negative impact on her performance. She never looked like she wanted to win, and it showed in the way she played

But if Vera wants to stay in the top 20, she's going to have to start playing better.She'll bounce back, but she has to cheer up first.

nick_chicane
Apr 28th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Did anyone see Bepa's final service game? Where she was nearly in tears because some of the old balls had got mixed in with the new ones!! Theres something majorly wrong with her to be getting upset about something like that!! There just has to be something off court thats bothering her cause not even a normal Bepa would get as upset as she did just because a couple of old balls were in with the new ones!! :sad:

Epigone
Apr 28th, 2005, 04:51 PM
Did anyone see Bepa's final service game? Where she was nearly in tears because some of the old balls had got mixed in with the new ones!! Theres something majorly wrong with her to be getting upset about something like that!! There just has to be something off court thats bothering her cause not even a normal Bepa would get as upset as she did just because a couple of old balls were in with the new ones!! :sad:Yeah, that was weird, but there are players who are very fussy about which balls they use. I got the sense that she was very unsettled, and just needed to focus her :mad: on something.

I don't know if something off court is upsetting her :scratch:. When she isn't playing, she seems to be fine, as all of the pictures from this week suggest. It just seems that when she's frustrated during a match, virtually anything can set her off :o

nick_chicane
Apr 28th, 2005, 10:01 PM
I don't know if something off court is upsetting her :scratch:. When she isn't playing, she seems to be fine, as all of the pictures from this week suggest. It just seems that when she's frustrated during a match, virtually anything can set her off :o

Yeah, you got a point there!! She did seem happy off court, or she could be hiding something that she doesnt want people to know about, who knows, it just seemed a little stranger than normal, her reaction to the balls!!

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Bepa will probably be seeded #5 next week in Berlin, which means a 1st round bye.

I'd actually prefer it if she had to play a 1st round match because it would give her a chance to play her way into the tournament against a lower-ranked opponent.

goldenlox
Apr 29th, 2005, 03:05 PM
It doesn't matter if Vera is seeded or not. She's not going far at a Tier I unless she plays better.

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 03:12 PM
It doesn't matter if Vera is seeded or not. She's not going far at a Tier I unless she plays better.Of course it matters :confused:. It means that she won't have to meet another seed in the 2nd round

goldenlox
Apr 29th, 2005, 03:17 PM
Ivanovic wasn't a seed. Benesova, Vives...
Vera has to play better. Right now, everyone wants to be in her section of the draw.

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Ivanovic wasn't a seed. Benesova, Vives...
Vera has to play better. Right now, everyone wants to be in her section of the draw.Her chances of winning are increased if she is a seed...

She isn't focused at the moment, but I don't think it's because of off-court things. With a positive attitude, she would have won at least two of the three previous matches that she has lost.

Other players might want to be in her section of the draw, but if she plays her next match with a :) on her face, her opponent will be wishing that she was somewhere else.

goldenlox
Apr 29th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Vera has gone the whole year without a top 30 win.
Starting after Rome, her ranking will be falling, if she doesn't start winning.

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 04:17 PM
Vera has gone the whole year without a top 30 win.
There was me thinking that Elena Likhovtseva is a top 20 player :shrug:

Starting after Rome, her ranking will be falling, if she doesn't start winning.Do you think her ranking is important or not? First, you said that being seeded isn't important, but now you're making a point of saying that her ranking will fall...

goldenlox
Apr 29th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Lena L. wasn't playing well then. And neither was Vera.
It's not all-important. But if Vera doesn't start winning matches, she's going to lose all those points from last spring and summer.
She can't be happy with that.

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 04:34 PM
Lena L. wasn't playing well then. And neither was Vera.Okay, let's play that game :). Bepa defeated Zhenya in Memphis when Zhenya was playing great tennis, as her defeat of Amelie at IW showed. Does Bepa get credit for that win?

It's not all-important. But if Vera doesn't start winning matches, she's going to lose all those points from last spring and summer.
She can't be happy with that.Of course she isn't going to be happy, but she doesn't seem to be happy with anything on-court at the moment.

goldenlox
Apr 29th, 2005, 04:38 PM
That game only works with Lena L., who was exhausted then.

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Great, another GM thread about Bepa crying :fiery:

GL, thanks for not making fun of her :rolleyes:

goldenlox
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:30 PM
I see nothing wrong with crying. Terrell Owens was just crying on tv.
He's an NFL great.

Epigone
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:44 PM
I see nothing wrong with crying. Terrell Owens was just crying on tv.
He's an NFL great.Why was T.O. crying? :crying2:

IMO, using him is a bad example because he has tremendous self-belief. If he cried because he dropped a pass on the opening drive of the game, he'd be laughed out of the league.

Bepa would never do the tennis-equivalent of dancing on the star in Dallas :dance:

pav
Apr 29th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Okay, let's play that game :). Bepa defeated Zhenya in Memphis when Zhenya was playing great tennis, as her defeat of Amelie at IW showed. Does Bepa get credit for that win?{quote --- I remember someone writing in GM that the only reason Zhenya lost at Memphis was that She came out not believing in Herself,or words to that effect(nothing to do with Bepa )

It is annoying that any decent wins She has had are taken off Her -Venus FO-Venus was within a heartbeat of dying
Capriati - some Capriati fans are still ripping into Her every chance They get because She dared to beat Her!

it does get on Your wick a bit,Bepa does a good job of attracting criticism with Her recent losses and on court actions without having every win credited to Her opposition's mind not being on the job or injured.

I did hear that some People even criticised Her taste in clothing :)

daniela86
Apr 29th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Great, another GM thread about Bepa crying :fiery:


It is soooo overated, there was surely at least 10 threads about it and always the same people said exactly the same negative remarks about Vera :rolleyes: :o :o They clearly have nothing better to do or don't find a thread where they can post something intelligent :o I don't even pay attention to this kind od threads.

Epigone
Apr 30th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Capriati - some Capriati fans are still ripping into Her every chance They get because She dared to beat Her!:lol: So true. It seems that posters who have Jen or Cap in their username continue to take potshots at Bepa.
People, let it go! :p

I did hear that some People even criticised Her taste in clothing :):rolls: :tape:

Epigone
Apr 30th, 2005, 10:48 AM
Those of you who want to see Bepa's match against Ana from Warsaw should follow the instructions in this (http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=163943) thread.

The video quality is pretty good :yeah:

Epigone
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:33 PM
Bepa's quarter of the Berlin draw
Sharapova - bye
Grönefeld - Linetskaya
Jidkova - Vento
Peng - Sugiyama

Hénin - Benesova
Zuluaga - Kirilenko
Qualifier - Sucha
Zvonareva - bye

Let's hope that she can handle bye without too much trouble, and then move on from there :)

goldenlox
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:53 PM
This is a tough section. She has to try to win that first one.
And play well.

Clai
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:56 PM
Tough draw for Vera. I hope she wins her first match.

Go Vera!

Epigone
Apr 30th, 2005, 03:08 PM
Anything less than the 3rd round will be disappointing.

She needs to hit her forehand flatter and with more pace, rather than lofting it. That will translate into more points won.

Shoulderpova
Apr 30th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Go Bepa :bounce:
I believe in her :hug: :smooch:

Epigone
May 1st, 2005, 07:03 AM
I did hear that some People even criticised Her taste in clothing :)Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
http://img33.echo.cx/img33/7415/f072cp.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
Another interesting outfit :)

Epigone
May 1st, 2005, 07:38 AM
Here (http://www.radiomayak.ru/schedules/7/21288.html) is part of the transcript from a radio interview that Bepa gave on the 21st of April. This section concerns Fed Cup against Italy.

Here (http://www.radiomayak.ru/schedules/7/21288-audio.html) is a link to the full audio interview. It goes for ages :worship:

pav
May 1st, 2005, 09:08 AM
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
http://img33.echo.cx/img33/7415/f072cp.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)
Another interesting outfit :)

She does keep Us Fashion Police on Our toes doesn't She?

the blue suits Her(don't want Her to get the Blues though!)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/zvonareva420.jpg

Bepa is hammering the blues
but what about those shoes
should She be whacked with a fine?
or praised for Her use of design?
oh young Lady in blue
what a road You lead Your fans though!

_LuCaS_
May 1st, 2005, 09:19 AM
Good luck in Berlin Bepa

daniela86
May 1st, 2005, 02:35 PM
Here is the doubles draw, Bepa doesn't play with Nastya :eek: :bolt: but with Elena Likhovtseva, another friend of hers.They can be a good team as they proved it last year :) Good luck Bepa/Elena!!

(1) Petrova/Shaugnessy BYE
Bovina/Dechy vs. (WC) Henke/Kloesel
Q vs. Marrero/Talaja
(7) Dulko/Vento-Kabchi vs. Chladkova/G. Navratilova

(3) Likhovtseva/Zvonareva BYE
(WC) Klaschka/Roesch vs. Müller/Wöhr
Kirilenko/McShea vs. Kostanic/Peng
(6) Medina Garrigues/Safina vs. Callens/Tu

(5) Hantuchova/Sugiyama vs. Rittner/Peschke
Daniilidou/Sfar vs. Jidkova/Perebiynis
Fedak/Osterloh vs. (WC) Ivanovic/Myskina
(4) Husarova/Martinez BYE

(8) Benesova/Krizan vs. Craybas/Russell
Dekmeijere/Miyagi vs. Dragomir-Ilie/Schnder
Grönefeld/Schruff vs. Pennetta/Pierce
(2) Black/Huber BYE

Epigone
May 1st, 2005, 02:54 PM
Bepa playing with Elena L. is quite normal if Nastya isn't playing doubles, but Nastya is playing with Ana Ivanovic :eek:

This is an interesting situation :scratch:

I wish they were in the bottom half of the draw, but I think that they will still achieve a very good result :)

Foot's Fingers
May 1st, 2005, 07:17 PM
hOhestly, i'm a liitle bit worried abt it

Nastua is palying doubles as well
Husarova Ai and Conchi is playing too (Likhovtseva's possible partners)

What's happend girls??

This week it'smore interesting for me tt theirs singles results

goldenlox
May 1st, 2005, 07:23 PM
Husarova Ai and Conchi is playing too (Likhovtseva's possible partners)

What's happend girls??

This week it'smore interesting for me tt theirs singles resultsVera and Lena L. made the semis in San Diego.
And lost a very close 3 set match to Suarez/RP.
Since Vera had just finished her match with Nastya, she showed great endurance that evening.
I watched both matches on tv.

Epigone
May 1st, 2005, 07:31 PM
What's happend girls??Maybe Nastya said that she wouldn't play doubles, so Bepa asked Lena to play, but then Nastya decided at the last minute that she wanted to play? :shrug:

This week it'smore interesting for me tt theirs singles resultsI agree. Bepa needs to find some form before the French Open, so this week is crucial.

Based on her match in Warsaw, I can see plenty of room for improvement, so I guess it's just a question of how much Bepa can fine tune her game in a short amount of time.

andrewbroad
May 1st, 2005, 10:53 PM
She does keep Us Fashion Police on Our toes doesn't She?

the blue suits Her(don't want Her to get the Blues though!)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/zvonareva420.jpg

Bepa is hammering the blues
but what about those shoes
should She be whacked with a fine?
or praised for Her use of design?


Well I take a top-down approach to viewing photos, and this one got my pulse racing in less than a second! :hearts:

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Daniel
May 2nd, 2005, 04:13 AM
Good luck Vera in singles and doubles,

win matches , dont lose early, play like a top 10 player :bounce: :hug: :)

Epigone
May 2nd, 2005, 05:08 AM
"Bepa" is the most annoying nickname on wtaworld :p

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