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Epigone
Mar 9th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Bepa has strep throat :bigcry:

Get well soon :hug:

Almalyk
Mar 9th, 2005, 03:42 AM
Get well Vera! Rest well too.

russophile
Mar 9th, 2005, 06:04 AM
go bepa!

pav
Mar 9th, 2005, 08:54 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/strepBep.jpg

Get well soon!:kiss: :hearts:

daniela86
Mar 9th, 2005, 11:37 AM
I have nothing to say exept :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: poor bepa, she was one of the rare players who used to be always healthy :sad: Recover soon bepa, it's the most important thing:) :) :) i already miss you :hug:

nick_chicane
Mar 9th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Well thats good that its not anything more serious!! :) I mean, its not good that shes ill but at least theres nothing more serious in respect to her private life!!

goldenlox
Mar 9th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Take your time and get healthy. It's a long year.

Epigone
Mar 9th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Bepa will have been out of action for a month by the time she hits Miami, so I hope that she is ready to rock from the start :cool:

andrewbroad
Mar 9th, 2005, 11:24 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/strepBep.jpg

Her eyes! :hearts:

Get well soon Bepa! :kiss:

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nick_chicane
Mar 10th, 2005, 07:33 AM
She does have very nice big blue eyes, your right!! :lol:

pav
Mar 10th, 2005, 08:27 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/vwipe11.jpgIt's not the same without Bepa!!:bigcry: :tears:

Epigone
Mar 10th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Tell me about it!!!

I'm already missing her heaps :bigcry:

nick_chicane
Mar 10th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Its been so long since ive had a chance to see her play!! I was just talking about this on the other forum, its like November since i last saw her play!! :eek: With all the time differences and the fact Bepa's been playing some smaller tournaments, theres just been no chance to get to see her!! She has to come back for Miami cause i would have thought Eurosport will be showing it and then theres a chance she'll be on!! :D

andrewbroad
Mar 10th, 2005, 11:49 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/vwipe11.jpg

Lovely! :hearts: Where did the photo on which this is based come from?

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FERLKE
Mar 11th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Is Bepa ready for comeback in Miami?

Epigone
Mar 11th, 2005, 01:53 AM
Is Bepa ready for comeback in Miami?She should be.

A course of antibiotics will take care of it pretty quickly.

nick_chicane
Mar 11th, 2005, 07:11 AM
lol.....Doctor Epigone has spoken so everything will be ok!! :lol:

pav
Mar 11th, 2005, 07:13 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/kahu/vwipe.jpgLovely! :hearts: Where did the photo on which this is based come from?

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not sure where this is ,or where it came from, I didn't label it properly! I should know the background

Epigone
Mar 11th, 2005, 07:29 AM
not sure where this is ,or where it came from, I didn't label it properly! I should know the backgroundIt's Eastbourne 2004 :p

Bepa never plays on grass except for Wimbledon, but this was the one exception.

pav
Mar 11th, 2005, 09:23 AM
It's Eastbourne 2004 :p

Bepa never plays on grass except for Wimbledon, but this was the one exception.

Thanks, I looked at it after posting it and saw it was grass,and thought it might have been a practice court at wimby, but every fence is green there. There is something about that pic that makes Me always go back and look at it(apart from Who is the subject!)

Epigone
Mar 11th, 2005, 11:50 AM
There is a great article called Шесть вещей Веры Звонаревой here: http://www.wtatour.ru/index.php?showtopic=42&st=60 (http://www.wtatour.ru/index.php?showtopic=42&st=60)

In it, Bepa describes six things that are important to her when she is on the road.

1. Sweater - at least her favourite sweater is not one of "those" other ones ;). She has gone off black clothes a bit, and likes it because it is multi-coloured.

2. Plush dog - Lex gave it to Bepa after he had been working with her for three weeks. It's name is El-El :lol:, and it is her lucky charm, so it stays next to her bed :)

3. Notebook computer - Lex ordered it for her, and she got it at the US Open. She uses it to surf the internet from her hotel room, and she has over 3000 songs on it :eek:

4. Handbag - she got it in England two years ago, and can fit lots of stuff in it. She points out that it is multi-coloured, and highly visible :D

5. Dictionary - She has started taking the dictionary with her because, although she understands lots of English, Lex sometimes uses words that she doesn't understand. When that happens, he shows her the new word in the dictionary.

6. CD player - Sony sponsored a tournament in Los Angeles, and gave it to her. She says that it's important that it supports MP3 format because she burns CDs on the computer and listens to them with the player.

Check out the link, cuz although the article is in Russian, you can see pictures of the six things.

Эл-Эл :dog::hug: :lol:

If I've made any mistakes, could someone please correct me? Thanks :p

goldenlox
Mar 11th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Vera - http://img213.exs.cx/img213/5856/vera5ga.jpg

andrewbroad
Mar 11th, 2005, 10:28 PM
Would you like Venus Williams's next online video to be her match against Bepa from Charleston 2004? Then vote for it here!

http://www.worldofvenus.net/videos/main.html

I'll be checking back there on 16th March, hoping to watch Bepa play. :)

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Gowza
Mar 11th, 2005, 10:46 PM
c'mon bepa need you back for miami getting some nice scalps!

Daniel
Mar 11th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Get Well Vera :smooch: :kiss:

nick_chicane
Mar 12th, 2005, 08:59 AM
It's Eastbourne 2004 :p

Bepa never plays on grass except for Wimbledon, but this was the one exception.

Yep, and im glad she made that exception cause i was there watching her!! :lol:

nick_chicane
Mar 12th, 2005, 09:04 AM
Thats a cool article, thanks for the translation Epigone!! Though, that is one hell of a multi coloured handbag!! :lol:

Epigone
Mar 12th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Though, that is one hell of a multi coloured handbag!! :lol:Bepa has interesting taste when it comes to clothes and accessories :D

pav
Mar 12th, 2005, 06:27 PM
I told My Old Man now is the time to send those boring white sheep to the meat works,and start breeding the coloured ones to keep pace with the new Bepa driven demand for the crazy coloured clothing, the streets of Moscow will never be the same!

Epigone
Mar 13th, 2005, 04:52 PM
This question and answer is from a magazine interview with Bepa posted at wtatour.ru
А сама Маша себя ведет по-другому?
Против нее лично мы ничего не имеем. Я с ней, кстати, тренировалась иногда, играла пару. И папа ее ко мне вполне нормально относится. Я понимаю Настю Юрий эмоциональный человек, но, с другой стороны, это его дочка, хочется защищать ее. Лариса (Савченко Прим. ред.) говорила, что когда мы играли с Машей, тоже была пара таких моментов я упала, а он встал и начал хлопать. Но я не думаю, что это было направлено конкретно против меня. Скорее всего, он просто подбадривал Машу...
Bepa talks about how she and Masha get on, and how Yuri is a little emotional :D

However, the part that interests me is what Bepa has to say about the incident when Yuri clapped after she fell over during her YEC match with Masha.

If I understand it correctly (Russian grammar :crying2: ), Bepa says that she doesn't think that the applause was really directed at her, but rather was intended to encourage Masha...

Does anyone get the impression that Bepa is a little too nice when it comes to judging people?

Had it been Nadia in that situation, she probably would have wanted to jump into the stands to give Yuri a beatdown :tape:

BTW, there is some other interesting information that I will post over the coming days so that we have something to discuss until Miami ;)

goldenlox
Mar 13th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Nadia didn't fight Maria's dad. Nadia did not even comment on him.
Or on the altercation between her coach and Maria's dad.

Epigone
Mar 13th, 2005, 06:36 PM
I didn't say that Nadia had said or done anything.

I'm simply saying that Nadia says what she thinks, and wouldn't put up with something like that.

nick_chicane
Mar 13th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Masha's dad is just jealous cause Maria doesnt have as much natural talent as Vera!! :lol:

Epigone
Mar 13th, 2005, 06:56 PM
Had Bepa had the benefit of Maria's physical and mental training from an early age, she would be a scary player

nick_chicane
Mar 13th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Totally right!! If you put Bepa's game together with Maria's mental attitude, i think we'd have a World Number 1 package there!! :)

andrewbroad
Mar 13th, 2005, 07:28 PM
...the part that interests me is what Bepa has to say about the incident when Yuri clapped after she fell over during her YEC match with Masha.

If I understand it correctly (Russian grammar :crying2: ), Bepa says that she doesn't think that the applause was really directed at her, but rather was intended to encourage Masha...

Does anyone get the impression that Bepa is a little too nice when it comes to judging people?

You can never be too nice when it comes to judging Мария Шарапова. Especially when you're one of Мария's best friends.

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deep bass
Mar 13th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Had Bepa had the benefit of Maria's physical and mental training from an early age, she would be a scary player

Especially as Vera has an almost perfect physique for a tennis player.

goldenlox
Mar 13th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Vera's doing fine. She doesn't need any part of Maria's mind or body or training, or anything.

Vera is very successful, just the way that she is.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 02:30 AM
You can never be too nice when it comes to judging Мария Шарапова. Especially when you're one of Мария's best friends.She was actually judging Yuri, and giving him a huge benefit of the doubt.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Vera's doing fine. She doesn't need any part of Maria's mind or body or training, or anything.

Vera is very successful, just the way that she is.Maria is a lot more successful than Bepa, and I think that's because she was bred for success.

I think that Bepa is smarter than Maria, but I think that Maria was conditioned to be much tougher mentally, and that's the thing that separates her from many of the other players.

Maria gives the appearance of believing in herself 100%, while Bepa doesn't, and self belief is quite often the attribute that can win or lose matches.

goldenlox
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:14 PM
Vera is extremely successful. She could be in college now,
instead of earning millions and playing in the YEC.
Vera is on the right road to having an excellent career, and a great life.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Everything is relative.

I think that she would be ranked higher if the mental aspect of her game had been conditioned differently.

goldenlox
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Well, that's just subjective prattle.
Vera is very successful. Only 2 players under 22 are in her league.
And Vera has beaten both of them last summer.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Well, that's just subjective prattle.
Vera is very successful. Only 2 players under 22 are in her league.
And Vera has beaten both of them last summer.Both of those players have won Slams, while Bepa threw away a great chance at the US Open last year. Beating them last summer means nothing if she doesn't do it when it really counts.

I'm not interested in how much money she makes, but rather how many titles she wins, and how much she enjoys her tennis. If she doesn't keep striving to improve the mental aspect of her game, she won't live up to her potential.

goldenlox
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Serena and Justine won 8 straight majors.
Suddenly, neither was at their best.
Anastasia, Maria, and Sveta came through.

A lot of that was just luck. Although Maria might be a special talent.
Vera wasn't healthy at RG. She drew a healthy Lindsay, with no rain delay, at Wimbledon.
And she peaked in the summer, before the US Open.
Vera was playing better tennis than Sveta after Eastbourne.
It's just luck that Sveta peaked at the right moment, with the right draw.

Vera is still a young player, who can improve a lot.
The most important aspect of her career is for her to enjoy it.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:51 PM
And she peaked in the summer, before the US Open.
Vera was playing better tennis than Sveta after Eastbourne.
It's just luck that Sveta peaked at the right moment, with the right draw.She was playing great tennis at the US Open, and then her mind went AWOL in that match against Lena D.

At one point, Bepa got lobbed by Lena as she comes to the net. Bepa ran back to the baseline to get the ball, couldn't get it, and then started crying into her both of her hands. At another point, she netted a BH DTL, and bent over and put her face into her hand. At another point, she hit herself in the foot with her racquet.

Her game was there, but her head wasn't. If you can't see that, then :shrug:

goldenlox
Mar 14th, 2005, 04:54 PM
I saw Vera play all summer. In the Cincy final, Vera wasn't as sharp as she was in California and Montreal.
And Lena D. was peaking in NYC.
Lena had bad luck that there was no day off after the semis.
Lena was playing super tennis, but wasn't healthy for the final.

Like I said, there's luck involved.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 05:03 PM
And Lena D. was peaking in NYC.
Lena had bad luck that there was no day off after the semis.
Lena was playing super tennis, but wasn't healthy for the final.

Like I said, there's luck involved.Yes, she was lucky that her 4th round opponent broke down into tears for no reason, and handed her the match on a silver platter...

goldenlox
Mar 14th, 2005, 05:06 PM
I didn't see that match. But watching the third set against Capriati showed me a lot about Lena.
Even if Vera won, she still had Mauresmo, Capriati and Sveta in front of her.

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Okay, I'll post links to the match stats.

Bepa's serve was off the whole match, but she was still good off the ground. However, her game went downhill after she started crying towards the end of the 1st set.

Match stats (http://2004.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/day13/2407ms.html)
1st set stats (http://2004.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/day13/2407ss1.html)
2nd set stats (http://2004.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/day13/2407ss2.html)
3rd set stats (http://2004.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/day13/2407ss3.html)

The 2nd set saw a pile of DFs appear in her game, and then she went down in flames with 9 winners vs 30 UEs in the 3rd set.

She was bursting into tears, throwing her racquet, and hitting her head, thigh, and foot with her racquet.

Marat has managed to harness his head, and Bepa could have emulated his 2000 US Open success had she remained focused like, dare I say it, Maria would have done :o

t_fan
Mar 14th, 2005, 05:38 PM
...If I understand it correctly (Russian grammar :crying2: ), Bepa says that she doesn't think that the applause was really directed at her, but rather was intended to encourage Masha...

Does anyone get the impression that Bepa is a little too nice when it comes to judging people?
Don't really know. At least she has sense to appear to be nice :)
BTW, did you see that match? AFAIR lots and lots of people stood up and applauded the players in appreciation of a great rally. According to some, only Yuri did this in order to humiliate Vera and gloat over her fall :lol:

Epigone
Mar 14th, 2005, 05:54 PM
No, I didn't see the match :sad:. I'm just going by reports that I've seen, and comments that I've read.

Bepa said that Larisa Savchenko told her how she interpreted what happened, but I guess everyone interprets things differently...

Here is the question and answer before the one that you quoted...
Профессионально ли со стороны игрока решать, ехать или нет в сборную в зависимости от ее состава?
В этом году такой проблемы не было, и я считаю, что мы выиграли во многом потому, что был единый сплоченный коллектив. Французы тоже в прошлом году выиграли потому, что у них была более дружная команда. Но если Насте неприятно играть, когда папа Маши ведет себя так, как он себя ведет, то, может, нет смысла собирать такой состав. Возможен конфликт, и нормальной игры не получится.I think it's clear that something is going on, and although Bepa wasn't going to accuse Yuri of clapping when she fell, she isn't exactly happy with his behaviour.

nick_chicane
Mar 14th, 2005, 11:20 PM
Just reading all your comments here and i have to agree with Epigone that Vera lacks the right attitude when on court!! I also dont think she'll go much higher in the rankings if she doesnt sort it out!!

Vera has massive potential of being World Number 1 but not with the attitude she has at the moment!! She has to learn that its ok to make mistakes!!

andrewbroad
Mar 14th, 2005, 11:52 PM
She was actually judging Yuri, and giving him a huge benefit of the doubt.

Because she knows that one cannot insult Юрий without insulting Мария.

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Epigone
Mar 15th, 2005, 12:48 AM
Because she knows that one cannot insult Юрий without insulting Мария.If Maria takes criticism of her father personally, then she should tell him to pull his head in. If she brings him to matches, then she is responsible for the way that he acts.

Bepa does raise Yuri's behaviour as a source of concern, and although letting him off the hook for the clapping, I think this means something.

goldenlox
Mar 16th, 2005, 03:42 PM
Vera can get back into the top 10 with a good run in Miami.
She's on a five match winning streak.

Epigone
Mar 16th, 2005, 04:03 PM
I want Bepa in the top 10 before she hits the clay.

Protecting her place in the top 10 will give her extra incentive to improve on her results from last year.

goldenlox
Mar 16th, 2005, 04:05 PM
I'm interested to see what form she's in. She didn't do much before Memphis.
Then she missed some time with her throat.
Miami will be a very difficult tournament to go deep in.
Vera will have to play very well to get far.

Epigone
Mar 16th, 2005, 04:20 PM
If she serves well, she will be fine.

Her serve was off in her first three tournaments of the year, as well as at the exhibition in Hong Kong.

She picked it up in Memphis, and it showed on the scoreboard.

pav
Mar 16th, 2005, 08:18 PM
Bepa write one hundred times-

Get the first serves in and I will win
win some matches and then
I'm back in the ten!


No forget it, You'll end up with a sore wrist!:fiery:

andrewbroad
Mar 16th, 2005, 11:51 PM
Bepa write one hundred times-

Get the first serves in and I will win
win some matches and then
I'm back in the ten!


No forget it, You'll end up with a sore wrist!:fiery:

:lol:

nick_chicane
Mar 17th, 2005, 07:33 AM
If she serves well, she will be fine.

Her serve was off in her first three tournaments of the year, as well as at the exhibition in Hong Kong.

She picked it up in Memphis, and it showed on the scoreboard.

When you say her serve improved in Memphis you do also have to look at the fact that the quality of opponent wasnt as good as the previous tournaments so she wouldnt have had to do as much with the ball to get it passed her opponent as she would have had to do against someone higher up in the rankings!!

She does have a massive chance of making the top 10 though as Capriati isnt playing so she will lose 32 points automatically that will drop her down behind Vera and Petrova has a massive 198 points to defend so overall its looking very good on Vera is being inside the top 10 at the end of the tournament!! :)

Epigone
Mar 17th, 2005, 08:15 AM
When you say her serve improved in Memphis you do also have to look at the fact that the quality of opponent wasnt as good as the previous tournaments so she wouldnt have had to do as much with the ball to get it passed her opponent as she would have had to do against someone higher up in the rankings!!She played a Nan-Nan Liu (a qualifier) in the 1st round of the AO, and got 51% of 1st serves in, and had 1 ace and 8 DFs.

I love Vera Douchevina, but there is no way that seeing her on the other side of the net should force Bepa into getting 40% of 1st serves in, and serve 1 ace and 11 DFs in the 2nd round of the AO.

Someone posted that Bepa and Lex were arguing about her serve during practice at the AO, and I think that she really worked on it between Pattaya and Memphis, and that has steadied the ship.

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Someone posted that Bepa and Lex were arguing about her serve during practice at the AO, and I think that she really worked on it between Pattaya and Memphis, and that has steadied the ship.Where was this post?

Epigone
Mar 17th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Where was this post?It was here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4856752&postcount=19) :)

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Was that in the AO tournament forum?

Epigone
Mar 17th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Was that in the AO tournament forum?It was in the Australian Open thread in the Zoom-Zoom Zvonareva forum

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Right. It was a slow start to 2005 for Vera. But the year has a long way to go.
Vera in Miami - the road to the top 10.

Epigone
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:17 PM
Bepa's prospects after defending her title in Memphis are a little :shrug:

She didn't exactly follow up her title last year with any big performances, but I think this year will be different if there has in fact been an overhaul of her serve.

She can serve with good spin, which should be a benefit when she starts playing on clay, but the serve needs to become more of a weapon. We've seen that she can unload and rack up the aces, but we've also seen her serve dramatically fall apart.

If Lex and Bepa can finally get her locked into a consistent service motion, her results will improve.

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:23 PM
And Vera can still train with Julia, and practice with Maria M.

Epigone
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:28 PM
And Vera can still train with Julia, and practice with Maria M.I'm not really sure where everyone is living at the moment.

All I know is that Bepa was training in Miami before IW, but I don't know if Julia and Maria were there.

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:31 PM
I think Vera still gets along very well with Julia.
It's good to have different opinions.
As long as everyone understands that it's Vera's career.
Vera is the boss.

Epigone
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Sometimes a coach needs to get tough with a player because players don't always know what's in their best interest

It's fine for a player to question their coach, but the coach should be able to implement changes that he/she feels are necessary.

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2005, 06:48 PM
A player might have a good coach for motivation and fitness, but need a serving expert.

andrewbroad
Mar 18th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Bepa's prospects after defending her title in Memphis are a little :shrug:

She didn't exactly follow up her title last year with any big performances, but I think this year will be different if there has in fact been an overhaul of her serve.

I really hope Bepa's strep throat doesn't destroy the momentum she had been building. Immediately after her successful Memphis defence, I thought she looked set to go from strength to strength this year. My dream is to see her win the French Open, then hopefully see a lot more of her when she comes to England.


She can serve with good spin, which should be a benefit when she starts playing on clay, but the serve needs to become more of a weapon.

Like it was at Philadelphia 2004. I was amazed at how much harder she was hitting her serve - and her groundstrokes - than when I had previously watched her play at the French Open 2003 and Wimbledon 2003/2004. I've always enjoyed watching her unorthodox service-motion, but I never thought I'd be watching her hit three aces in a row as she did in the second-set tiebreak against Nadia Petrova in the semi-finals of Philadelphia! :D

--
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http://www.geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/zvona/ (http://www.geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/zvona/)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/verazvonareva/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/verazvonareva/)

Epigone
Mar 18th, 2005, 05:13 PM
Okay, here is a small part of the interview posted at wtatour.ru. I hope it is reasonably accurate :o
Вера, какую именно музыку любите слушать?
В последнее время слушаю в основном нашу русскую музыку и рок, и поп. Наверное, потому что очень скучаю по дому. Мне нравятся песня группы Уматурман из Ночного дозора, Серега с песней Черный бумер и еще Фабрика звезд. Везде покупаю DVD-диски, смотрю их на компьютере. В Москве продают мультизонные разъемы. В Америке только американские зоны можно купить, а на моем компьютере можно только определенное количество раз менять зону. И получается так, что я покупаю мультизонные на русском языке с английскими субтитрами. Lex тоже может посмотреть и заодно потихоньку ловит русские слова. Это полезно.Vera, what type of music do you like?
Recently, I've mainly been listening to Russian music - both rock and pop. This is probably because I miss home a lot. I like the song Ночного дозора by Уматурман, Черный бумер by Серега, and still Фабрика звезд.

I buy DVDs everywhere, and watch them on the computer. In Moscow, they sell multizone разъемы (connectors?). In America, only American zones can be bought, and I can only change the zone a certain number of times on my computer.

Also, it turns out that I can buy multizone DVDs in Russian with English subtitles. Lex can watch too, and at the same time catch some Russian words. It is useful.
Bepa likes Черный бумер :D:drive: :worship:
I love that song, but most people I know think it is highly annoying :o

goldenlox
Mar 18th, 2005, 05:49 PM
I like to read about how the players are enjoying their money.

Epigone
Mar 18th, 2005, 06:01 PM
I like to read about how the players are enjoying their money.Bepa was asked if she practises retail therapy :p
Практикуете ли вы шопинг-терапию?
Да, иногда хочется поводить носом в магазине. Причем бывает такое настроение, что хочется просто пройтись, необязательно что-то покупать. А иногда, наоборот, на каждом шагу какая-то вещь нравится. Но после часового похода я уже устаю. В последнее время я покупаю много обуви. Кроссовок у меня вообще миллион. Но сейчас уже постепенно выбираю какие-то ботинки, туфли. Обуваю их, правда, редко.Recently, she has bought lots of shoes :)

goldenlox
Mar 18th, 2005, 06:04 PM
I've been saying all along - the goal is not to win the most titles, or the most money.
The goal is to do your best, and enjoy your life.
That applies to after the career is over, also.

Epigone
Mar 18th, 2005, 06:49 PM
I like pav's new avatar.

It's now Bepa might look if she appeared on The Simpsons :D :p

goldenlox
Mar 20th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Vera comes into Miami with a 5 match winning streak, and a chance to return to the top 10.

Epigone
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:07 PM
Bepa hasn't played in four weeks, so it's important that she gets rid of the rust early.

I want her to play some really attacking tennis.

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:12 PM
This tournament has a big draw. So Vera's first match should be someone she can beat, without being at her best.

Epigone
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:24 PM
Bepa is usually quite efficient early in Slams, so I hope that she can win her opening match quickly.

She has had four weeks to work on her serve, so I can't wait to find out how much it has improved. Hopefully she'll be firing down aces :D

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:28 PM
I love these kinds of tournaments.
Hopefully Vera will do better than last year, when she lost to Craybas.

Epigone
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:31 PM
Hopefully Vera will do better than last year, when she lost to Craybas.2004 losses not to be brought up in this thread:
1. US Open
2. French Open
3. Miami

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:33 PM
Vera has had worse losses this year.
She has her ups and downs.
But the overall result is that she can get back into the top 10.

Epigone
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:36 PM
I know she has had worse losses this year, but her form has been pretty poor.

Leading into the matches I mentioned, she had been playing very good tennis (okay, maybe not so much at IW), so the losses were much harder to accept

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2005, 04:43 PM
It's very difficult to win a match. Any match on the tour is tough.
And to play deep into a tournament is very grueling, both physically and mentally.
The top few players are very, very strong. Both physically and mentally.
For Vera to be close to the top 10 is a great achievement.
It really is.
Making the YEC is something most players can only dream about.

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2005, 08:43 PM
Vera has a tough draw. Justine, then Molik.
First she plays LLW or Vives.

_LuCaS_
Mar 21st, 2005, 09:27 PM
Everyone sees Justine as fav against Bepa. I don't ;) Goo Bepa

Gowza
Mar 21st, 2005, 11:25 PM
i think it is a tough draw for vera, we dont know how she is playing, we dont know how henin is playing, who knows stosur might even upset henin in the 2nd round and then vera would be facing her, which would be a tough match.

Epigone
Mar 22nd, 2005, 12:51 AM
Interesting draw...

Bepa will have to bring the heavy artillery, but that's not a problem.

I hope this is the tournament in which Bepa finally disposes of the description of "just a counterpuncher" in the minds of GM "experts", as she blazes from the baseline.

Take no prisoners, and show no fear! :cool:

Udachi!!!

pav
Mar 22nd, 2005, 01:18 AM
Yes I get a bit pissed off reading things like "She's just a counterpuncher with no big weapons!" I was just looking at the betting odds here and they certainly have no faith in Bepa,yet have Petrova and Safina paying a lot less



0 V Williams9 $15.00 A Myskina10 $20.00 E Dementieva11 $35.00 N Petrova12 $35.00 J Jankovic13 $50.00 E Bovina14 $60.00 N Dechy15 $80.00 F Zuluaga16 $80.00 C Martinez17 $60.00 D Safina18 $100.00 P Schnyder19 $100.00 V Zvonereva20 $100.00 A Ivanovic21 $100.00 D Hantuchova22 $100.00 T Golovin23 $150.00 A Sugiyama24 $100.00 M Kirilenko25 $150.00 L Raymond26 $150.00 F Schiavone
hope She can prove them wrong!

Epigone
Mar 22nd, 2005, 03:12 AM
Bad odds for Bepa, but that's nothing new.

Hopefully the vBetting odds will also be like that, and then I'll become rich :D

Bepa will let her racquet do the talking for her :cool:

Clai
Mar 22nd, 2005, 10:47 AM
I hope Vera wins...

goldenlox
Mar 22nd, 2005, 03:07 PM
What is important is for Vera to be healthy, and ready for the clay season.
She has to be ready for her first match, and not look ahead.

Epigone
Mar 22nd, 2005, 03:43 PM
She has to be ready for her first match, and not look ahead.She'll be ready.

The strep throat won't have slowed her down too much, so I expect that she has been training really hard.

Foot's Fingers
Mar 22nd, 2005, 03:50 PM
Time to make a good big noice Vera!!! Pls play on yr level!!!

goldenlox
Mar 22nd, 2005, 08:33 PM
Vera and Anastasia are the #6 seeds. They play Russell/Santangelo.

_LuCaS_
Mar 22nd, 2005, 09:12 PM
Good luck Anastasia & Bepa :hug:

Epigone
Mar 22nd, 2005, 09:20 PM
Bepa and Nastya's quarter
Svetlana Kuznetsova
Alicia Molik
vs.
Eleni Daniilidou
Nicole Pratt

Jill Craybas
Laura Granville
vs. Gisela Dulko
Maria Vento-Kabchi

Emmanuelle Gagliardi
Magui Serna
vs.
Janet Lee
Silvija Talaja

Jennifer Russell
Mara Santangelo
vs.
Anastasia Myskina
Vera Zvonareva (6)

_LuCaS_
Mar 22nd, 2005, 09:23 PM
Damn, Sveta and Alicia lurking here :unsure:

Daniel
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:48 AM
Good luck in sngles and doubles Vera :smooch: :D

daniela86
Mar 23rd, 2005, 11:02 AM
Damn, Sveta and Alicia lurking here :unsure:
indeed they'll be very though :scared: :scared: but if Bepa and Nastya, reach the QF it would be a pretty good result even if they lose after coz this tournament has a very strong double draw, IMO it's stronger than the Oz Open 's double draw.:p
In single, Bepa must be careful coz LLW can be a dangerous player, she played 3 sets against Masha at Oz Open this year but i'm sure that if Bepa plays even at 80% of her capacity,she should win!
Me hope bepa's odds are low coz me want to reach the 1st place in vcash rankings:drool: :)

_LuCaS_
Mar 23rd, 2005, 11:37 AM
:eek: @ Daniela's fortune
*dead

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:12 PM
indeed they'll be very though :scared: :scared: but if Bepa and Nastya, reach the QF it would be a pretty good result even if they lose after coz this tournament has a very strong double draw, IMO it's stronger than the Oz Open 's double draw.:pThe key is to get 1st serves in. When both of them are serving badly, it can be painful to watch :o

Me hope bepa's odds are low coz me want to reach the 1st place in vcash rankings:drool: :)Me too, but I'm not willing to risk much money on anyone :D

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:17 PM
Damn, Sveta and Alicia lurking here :unsure:That would be the KC and Fed Cup winners against the AO winners.
A good match.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:23 PM
That would be the KC and Fed Cup winners against the AO winners.
A good match.A rematch of the Australian Open SF :unsure:

Bepa and Nastya brought up 0 break points in that match :o

_LuCaS_
Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:27 PM
Bepa and Nastya brought up 0 break points in that match :o
:smash:

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM
From the Women's Look Forward: Miami article posted here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=157329)Also of note is the contest between Henin-Hardenne and Zvonareva -- a very tough second round for a player who has been out as long as the Belgian.That's one of the only relatively positive things I've read about Bepa outside of this thread this week :mad:

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:17 PM
Vera is in a great situation. Because expectations aren't high.
For other young players, making the YEC would mean people expect greatness.
Vera can slowly develop her game, and reach her best form.
And make a great living.
Without being criticized for a slump, or a bad day.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:30 PM
I want Bepa to be respected, but I don't see that happening.

I think that to a lot of people, Bepa = :bigcry: :baby:, and that's all.

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:33 PM
The only way to get known for your results is to do well at majors.
Vera has to do better than one QF.
But she has years ahead of her.
First she has to get back to her good form.

_LuCaS_
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:36 PM
I want Bepa to be respected, but I don't see that happening.

I think that to a lot of people, Bepa = :bigcry: :baby:, and that's all.
Ohh :hug:
I like that :baby: smile ;)

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:46 PM
The only way to get known for your results is to do well at majors.
Vera has to do better than one QF.Bepa's win in the 2003 French Open put an end to the Williams vs Williams finals of the previous 4 Slams.

People tend to discount that achievement...

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:49 PM
I think people saw talent in Vera, both in her FO loss to Serena, and her win over Venus.
But just like Sprem beating Venus, you have to back it up with other good results in majors.
The public will focus on those who make the semis and finals.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 04:59 PM
I think people saw talent in Vera, both in her FO loss to Serena, and her win over Venus.Yet her odds of winning the FO in 2004 were worse then players who had no form on clay...

But just like Sprem beating Venus, you have to back it up with other good results in majors.I agree. Whether it has been running into a red-hot player, being sick, or throwing away leads (including two cases of throwing away leads of a 3rd set break), Bepa has not lived up to her potential at Grand Slams.

The public will focus on those who make the semis and finals.Nadia made the SF of the French Open and knocked the Olympic champion out of the US Open, but people still don't care about her. I know we've been down this road before, so I'm going to :tape: now.

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:08 PM
Nadia is ahead of Vera on the Gold Exempt list.
Nadia has only gotten to one slam semi.
Sveta won the US Open.
Most of the famous players, like Kim and Amelie, have been to several slam semis.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:11 PM
Nadia is ahead of Vera on the Gold Exempt list.The Gold Exempt list is a total joke. I place no value in it :p

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:18 PM
The GE list shows that tournament directors knew Nadia beat Justine.
Nadia and Vera can become more well known with big slam results.
Even without those results, they each will earn millions throughout their careers.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:28 PM
The GE list shows that tournament directors knew Nadia beat Justine.Daniela Hantuchova being given a WC in the pool above Bepa, despite having virtually zero results in 2004, tells me all I need to know :cool:

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:35 PM
That was IMG.
Where would you rather be, where Hantuchova is, or where Vera is?
One is a YEC player, about to re-enter the top 10.
The other is way off her top 5 form.

rrfnpump
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:36 PM
Davai Bepa :D

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:52 PM
That was IMG.Exactly! My point is that agents can quite often achieve things what good results can't ;)

Where would you rather be, where Hantuchova is, or where Vera is?Where Bepa is, but Lex would shoo me away :p

One is a YEC player, about to re-enter the top 10.
The other is way off her top 5 form.If they were to play tomorrow, people would tip Daniela to win. That's the way these things work.

Was Bepa at the award thing yesterday? I looked for pictures, but I found 1 billion pics of Masha, and the second most photographed female was....Daniela Hantuchova. GS winners Nastya and Sveta hardly got a look in.

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:54 PM
I don't know where the pictures are.
Where are they?

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 05:59 PM
I don't know where the pictures are.
Where are they?At Getty Images, under FL: Nasdaq-100 Open Preview

They have some more pics there now, so I'll keep looking for Bepa :D

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 06:07 PM
I only see 2 of Sveta, 4 Maria, and 1 Nastya.
Where are all the other ones?

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 06:12 PM
I only see 2 of Sveta, 4 Maria, and 1 Nastya.
Where are all the other ones?I see 24 of Maria, and 0 of Bepa :crying2:

Click on 'Editorial' from the main page, and scroll down until you see a pic of Maria holding a trophy

Did only award winners attend? Daniela is there, so :confused:

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 06:13 PM
I looked around Getty. If Vera was there, she would have been in that photo with Sveta, Nastya, and Lena.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 06:19 PM
I looked around Getty. If Vera was there, she would have been in that photo with Sveta, Nastya, and Lena.I agree.

The four of them are pretty much inseparable, which is one of the major reasons they make such a good Fed Cup team.

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 06:20 PM
Nastya was with Lena and the dolphins.
Vera was just sick. She's probably being careful.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 06:24 PM
Nastya was with Lena and the dolphins.
Vera was just sick. She's probably being careful.She could have helped Sveta load the 'Feed the Children' truck... I just want her to make an appearance sometime soon :D

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 07:09 PM
Bepa's 2nd round opponent will be Nuria Llagostera Vives, who defeated Lindsay Lee-Waters 6-2 6-0 :eek:

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 07:10 PM
Okay. We'll see if Vera is ready.
To go far, Vera has to play like a top ten player.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
Bepa doesn't meet a higher ranked player until the 4th round, and I'm expecting her to make it that far, and then go on.

She is on a five match win streak, she is rested, and I think she is itching to get out on court.

I'm all about positivity when it comes to Bepa :bounce:

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
The only top 50 win for Vera this year is Zhenya.
Vera is in a section with some good players.

Epigone
Mar 23rd, 2005, 07:37 PM
If Bepa can balance aggression with control, I believe she will emerge from her quarter :)

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 07:38 PM
I want Vera to get wins like that at a major.

nick_chicane
Mar 23rd, 2005, 08:50 PM
Just going back to the betting odds on Bepa, have you seen her odds for winning Miami, shes at 66/1 with both Petrova and Ivanovic ahead of her!! I think thats a big insult on Bepa!!

goldenlox
Mar 23rd, 2005, 08:55 PM
Vera should be lower odds than Ivanovic. Nadia hasn't won a tournament, but she has a game that can scare people.
Nadia and Vera should be equal.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 01:20 AM
Spears defeated Stosur 7-6(5) 4-6 6-1, and will be Justine's 2nd round opponent.

The winner will be waiting for Bepa in the 3rd round.

nick_chicane
Mar 24th, 2005, 06:57 AM
Vera should be lower odds than Ivanovic. Nadia hasn't won a tournament, but she has a game that can scare people.
Nadia and Vera should be equal.

I disagree about Bepa and Nadia, i think Bepa's game is far superior to Nadia's and should have much shorter odds than her!!

Shoulderpova
Mar 24th, 2005, 07:15 AM
How far Bepa needs to go in Miami to break into top 10? :wavey:
I hope she'll be in top 10 after Miami :awww:

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 07:28 AM
I disagree about Bepa and Nadia, i think Bepa's game is far superior to Nadia's and should have much shorter odds than her!!I actually think that Nadia could be the most talented Russian, but for whatever reason, she doesn't really have the results to show for it.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 08:02 AM
How far Bepa needs to go in Miami to break into top 10? :wavey:
I hope she'll be in top 10 after Miami :awww:If I understand correctly, Bepa is 17 points behind Capriati, so a 3rd round appearance will give her 28 points and put her into the top 10.

I think Nadia is too far behind to challenge right now.

pav
Mar 24th, 2005, 08:23 AM
C'mon Bepa,I'm holding the top ten gate open,It's hard, the hinges are rusty, don't be like one of those cantankerous sheep that veras, sorry veers off at the opening,hurry up , I've just driven a truckload to Wellington and back so can't hold it forever! :fiery:

goldenlox
Mar 24th, 2005, 04:51 PM
If I understand correctly, Bepa is 17 points behind Capriati, so a 3rd round appearance will give her 28 points and put her into the top 10.

I think Nadia is too far behind to challenge right now.But Nadia has fewer points to defend on clay, so Vera and Nadia might each make the top 10 at different times this spring.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 05:10 PM
But Nadia has fewer points to defend on clay, so Vera and Nadia might each make the top 10 at different times this spring.True, but you have to figure in Nadia being inconsistent.

Bepa generally wins matches that she should win, while you never know with Nadia.

This battle will hopefully make them push even harder to improve.

goldenlox
Mar 24th, 2005, 05:17 PM
This year, Nadia has been more consistent than Vera.
I don't know what's going to happen.
Both Vera and Nadia are very high quality players.
It's just a question of whether they can stay with Sveta, Maria, and that group.
Otherwise, they'll be right behind them, in the #8-14 group.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 05:25 PM
It's just a question of whether they can stay with Sveta, Maria, and that group.
Otherwise, they'll be right behind them, in the #8-14 group.Bepa's problem is that she has so few quality points. She needs some wins over the higher-ranked players to pull up her ranking. That, and taking her opportunities at these Tier I tournaments.

goldenlox
Mar 24th, 2005, 05:30 PM
Vera wasn't playing well a year ago.
As strange at it sounds, Vera started to play well on grass, and continued during the summer on hardcourt.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Vera wasn't playing well a year ago.
As strange at it sounds, Vera started to play well on grass, and continued during the summer on hardcourt.She made the QF at AI and Charleston, and the SF in Warsaw, had a 2nd round loss to Zuluaga in Berlin, and then rebounded with a SF appearance in Rome. Leading up to the FO, she was in great form, but was struck down by illness at the most important tournament on clay :sad:

goldenlox
Mar 24th, 2005, 05:50 PM
Vera wasn't playing well last spring.
Her 2 semis were very soft draws. Then she got buried in those semis.
She was much better in the summer.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Vera wasn't playing well last spring.
Her 2 semis were very soft draws. Then she got buried in those semis.
She was much better in the summer.Had she started playing well on grass, she would have won Eastbourne. She was two points away from winning against Sveta, and then something happened :o

Now, in two of her matches on clay, she had to play Smashnova. Bepa regards Anna as her toughest opponent, so those two wins (especially the two-setter at Warsaw) were very good.

In Rome, she beat Safina, Bovina, and Schiavone. You proclaim yourself as Lena's biggest fan, and then you call a draw containing her soft? :scratch: :p

The only big wins she had during the summer were over Sveta and Masha. I know she had some other close matches, but I think she was capable of winning those close matches, so I'm a little :shrug: about her summer.

goldenlox
Mar 24th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Unlike you, I actually follow tennis.
Bovina was in a huge slump then, just coming back from an injury.
Vera wasn't even competitve with Venus and Amelie in the spring.
In the summer, she played Serena, Anastasia, and Amelie close, and buried Sveta.
Won a close one from Maria, and buried Golovin.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Bovina was in a huge slump then, just coming back from an injury.
I know that Lena came back at Estoril, and that her results weren't exactly great. I think Dinara was the toughest player she faced, but that isn't really relevant now.

Unlike you, I actually follow tennis.Sure you do :lol:

I remember this from May 15th...
Vera has not played badly on clay. Just the Zuluaga matchNow you're saying that she wasn't playing well.

I'm confused :scratch:

goldenlox
Mar 24th, 2005, 06:25 PM
I'm glad you dug that up.
Vera's form over the summer surprised me.
I said it here after the Serena match.
That was best tennis I'd ever seen from Vera, and she played like that in San Diego and Montreal, too.
But her clay form was okay, but no where near her summer form.

Epigone
Mar 24th, 2005, 07:13 PM
It seems that Bepa may have been practising with Daniela Hantuchova in Miami :unsure:, while Sveta practised with Maria, and Nastya practised with Amelie

pav
Mar 24th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Sometimes I think We should change Bepa's name to Vera the Vulture! it seems every decent win She has had is because the opponent was sick, slumping, injured,or having menstual problems. I read the other day Her win at Memphis against Linetskaya was only because Zhenya "came out nervous" and would have been an easy win otherwise!
Volcana wrote yesterday something about Petrova slipping into the ten without a Tournament win ,going by the way Bepa is playing at the moment! I suppose when Bep hits a winner it is only an accident caused by the other Player making a mistake and hitting it into Her raquet at the right angle :fiery:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:30 AM
Argh, tell me about it! :mad:

[GM mode]Zvonareva is so hopeless that she can't even run without tripping over her own feet, and when she sticks out her racquet to balance herself, it somehow manages to connect with the ball for winners.

How unlucky can her opponents be to lose to a player who flukes every shot that she hits?[/GM mode]

:rolleyes:

pav
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:40 AM
Argh, tell me about it! :mad:

[GM mode]Zvonareva is so hopeless that she can't even run without tripping over her own feet, and when she sticks out her racquet to balance herself, it somehow manages to connect with the ball for winners.

How unlucky can her opponents be to lose to a player who flukes every shot that she hits?[/GM mode]

:rolleyes: She would never suffer from a swollen head if She read about Herself in There! not long to go now!

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:12 AM
Court 1: 10:00 AM Start
Jiri Novak (CZE) [24] vs. Kevin Kim (USA)
Nuria Llagostera Vives (ESP) vs. Vera Zvonareva (RUS) [9]
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) vs. Guillermo Canas (ARG) [11]
Dinara Safina (RUS) [31] vs. Marissa Irvin (USA)
Rafael Nadal (ESP) [29] vs. Rainer Schuettler (GER)

Bepa seems to be on a reasonable court for once :yeah:

EDIT: She's also playing doubles later in the day

Court 7: 10:00 AM Start
Greg Rusedski (GBR) vs. Thomas Johansson (SWE) [25]
Paola Suarez (ARG) [17] vs. Catalina Castano (COL) Q
Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) [13] vs. Alberto Martin (ESP)
Jennifer Russell (USA)/Mara Santangelo (ITA) vs. Anastasia Myskina (RUS)/Vera Zvonareva (RUS) [6]

Udachi!!!

nick_chicane
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:32 AM
Well lets just all hope for a good return to action!! Its been along break and this match is very important to see where Bepa stands, if we can get a 6/0 6/1 out of her i think that will put her in very good condition for, most likely, playing Henin-Hardenne in the 3rd round, ok, she hasnt played for ages so its probably the best time to be playing her but its still gonna be one hell of a tough match and Bepa will have to be at her very best to finish it off!!

Good luck for today anyway!! :)

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 03:50 PM
This is her warmup match before the draw gets very tough.
Vera is good at playing the match, and not looking ahead.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:22 PM
Vera is good at playing the match, and not looking ahead.There is no point in looking ahead, since we don't know how Justine will perform.

Spears could win, which would really shake things up.

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 04:31 PM
I don't expect that to happen. And Molik is next round.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 05:01 PM
I don't expect that to happen. And Molik is next round.Anything can happen in tennis :)

Bepa took the 1st set 6-3, although her stats suggest that she is a little rusty

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Bepa lost the 2nd set 3-6 :banghead:

The stats were horrible. She was broken to love in one game, and was also broken after leading 40-15 in another.

She saved 2 set points @ 1-5*, and then another at 3-5*. In fact, she had a BP the 9th game that would have got the match back on serve, but she blew it.

I hope she can focus and get back on track in the 3rd

Davai!!!

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 05:58 PM
I'm surprised. But this has been a tough year for Vera so far.
I guess she still hasn't put it all together.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:13 PM
I'm surprised. But this has been a tough year for Vera so far.
I guess she still hasn't put it all together.The stats suggest that she is going for her shots, but that she is making a few too many unforced errors.

Her 1st serve % is at 53% at the moment, but with only one DF :yeah:

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:22 PM
:scared:

This is probably similar to the Bammer match in Phily last year. If Bepa can win it she hopefully can improve from round to round!

Davai! :bounce:

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:25 PM
*1-3 :unsure::scared:

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Llagostera has more winners than Bepa :eek::confused:

Nuria is in an awesome mood this tourney, but Bepa must win this!

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:29 PM
If Vera doesn't win, it's not the end of the world.
But I hope she can pull this out.

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:32 PM
I think it is some kind of apocalyptica!

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Vera hasn't played well this year. Except Memphis.
I was hoping the time off would be a positive. But she might be rusty.

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:35 PM
I think a loss would be horrible, because Bepa would be at the beginning of a big slump :sad:

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:37 PM
For Vera to go far in Miami, she would have to play great.
A loss here would give her 2 more weeks to get ready for the clay season.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:38 PM
Bepa lost 6-3 3-6 1-6 :bigcry:

She couldn't hold serve to save herself :confused::shrug:

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:39 PM
OMG its over :bigcry::crying2: 63 36 16

My day is over :sad:

rrfnpump
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:40 PM
So Bepa is now officially in the "slump player pool" containing her, Suarez, Sprem,...

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:41 PM
Bepa lost :bigcry:
Poor girl, she must be devastated. She still has doubles later with ANastasia.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Bepa will bounce back in doubles, so Nastya has nothing to worry about :)

In fact, her doubles results are often better when she has a bad loss in singles :o

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:46 PM
It's not the end of the world. The draw is Justine, then Alicia.
It happens. It's a long year.
Now the clay season starts for Vera.
Vera, it's okay. Stay positive. This was not an all or nothing match.
It's just like Craybas last year. You'll do fine as the year goes on.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:48 PM
its not the end of the world but it could be the beginning of something worse

Vera :fiery: that was terrible
needs to pull her socks up on the clay or its gonna go pear-shaped pretty quick

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:50 PM
It's not the end of the world. The draw is Justine, then Alicia.Irrelevant. Bepa is supposed to win these matches.

I thought the major meltdowns were out of her system, but then she goes and does this :scratch:

Vera, it's okay. Stay positive. This was not an all or nothing match.This I agree with, but getting 1 point from two Tier I tournaments this year is not the way to move into the top 10

BTW, see how Bepa lost another match that would have put her in the top 10? :o

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Daniela, look what your favourite boy in the whole universe said about Bepa here (http://wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=5132437&postcount=16)

:bigcry:

Watch the GM explode into a fit of Bepa-hate :sobbing:

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:54 PM
The 6-1 third set makes me think Vera wasn't focused, or wasn't 100% healthy.
Or match fit.

nick_chicane
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:57 PM
I dont know how you guys can defend her like this, are you ever critical of her? That was a joke today!! Time after time after time when Bepa has a chance to push on in her career she goes and dishes out crap like that to us to remind us why shes ranked 11 and not inside the top 10!!

I dont know if she picked up and injury during the match or her lack of match practice might have come into it but if she was fully fit and ready for todays match then clearly she just didnt want the win enough!! These are matches that Bepa has to be winning so that she can play the better players and improve her game!! This is another chance missed where she could show the world what shes really made of but yet again she lets herself and all of us down!! :fiery:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 06:58 PM
The 6-1 third set makes me think Vera wasn't focused, or wasn't 100% healthy.
Or match fit.It was a meltdown of the variety she and Nadia specialise in performing.

However, there seemed to be a longish break between the 2nd and 3rd set, so maybe someone got treatment? :shrug:

Nevertheless, I suggest that Bepa gets some treatment after her doubles match :o

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:00 PM
I dont know how you guys can defend her like this, are you ever critical of her? :fiery:I defend Vera because she is super successful, but not perfect.
It's hard to make the YEC. And it drains a player.
Vera played her best tennis in the summer last year.
This year is still young.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:00 PM
I dont know how you guys can defend her like this, are you ever critical of her?Nope. I am the Julia of Bepa fans :o

However, Lex will kick her ass after this match, so that will hopefully sort her out :D

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Sharapova just lost love and love.
The only way for a player to improve is to forget a loss.
You have to be confident in yourself. Everyone has bad days.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:06 PM
I defend Vera because she is super successful, but not perfect.
It's hard to make the YEC. And it drains a player.Okay, but that was months ago.

Yes, I did say that the push to the YEC wrecked her YEC chances, and that the short break didn't allow her enough time to work on her game, but that doesn't excuse a loss like this.

The number of times she found herself at 0-30 and 0-40 was alarming. We didn't see that in Memphis, and I hoped those situations would be erased from her game in the early rounds.

nick_chicane
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Well i guess i just expect alot more from her than some of you guys do!! I see todays result as totally disgraceful and if she wasnt injured then shes clearly just had another one of her tantrums on court and thrown away the match, not that she really had hold of it in the first place!!

I hope Lex does make her work hard for this because once again shes let herself and all of us down!!

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:09 PM
The only way for a player to improve is to forget a loss.The only way for a player to improve is to play against opponents who are ranked higher than them, or those who are in great form.

You have to be confident in yourself. Everyone has bad days.Maria had a bad day against the world #1. Bepa had a bad day against a much lower ranked opponent. I don't think we can draw parallels.

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:09 PM
I didn't see the match. But I've seen Vera on her good days, and on off days.
Sometimes she loses focus. Sometimes she is brillant.

nick_chicane
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:11 PM
I didn't see the match. But I've seen Vera on her good days, and on off days.
Sometimes she loses focus. Sometimes she is brillant.

Well it seems her good days are few and far between right now and there are deffinitely plenty of bad days!!

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:13 PM
This year has had some bad days. But she won her third title.
Vera's first title defense.
I've seen this with Anastasia, Lena, Maria, Sveta, Nadia, all the girls.
They all have off days.
You have to forget it.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Well i guess i just expect alot more from her than some of you guys do!!I expect her to win each time that she steps on court :)

However, I can't be angry with her when she loses.

nick_chicane
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:17 PM
You have to be realistic, she isnt gonna win everytime she goes on court but i do expect her to win matches like the one today if she has aspirations of being a top 10 player!!

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:21 PM
We all expected a win today. But she was sick, and passed IW.
She might not be match fit. I didn't see it.
Even if there was no excuse, it's still just one day. One tournament.
Life goes on. Vera has to believe in herself. She can still do great things this year.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:24 PM
You have to be realistic, she isnt gonna win everytime she goes on court but i do expect her to win matches like the one today if she has aspirations of being a top 10 player!!She won't win every match, but I don't know which ones she will win, and which ones she will lose.

I believe that if she is mentally prepared when she steps onto the court, she can beat anyone.

Yes, I do have a better feeling about certain matches, but I never write her off before a match.

pav
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:27 PM
Just got up, words fail Me! She has veered off at the gateway and run back in with the unidentifiable mob!that last set, I almost find Myself hoping She was sick or injured,otherwise hard to give any defence at the GM trial.

Foot's Fingers
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:39 PM
Veraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a

Terrific disaster

Hard year for you

But i really hope tt you will show us that this was a bad day only

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Even with this loss, Vera has won 7 of her last 9.
So this loss is unusual.
Now Vera has plenty of time to get over it, and prepare for clay.
But first, the KC and Fed Cup champs play doubles.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:11 PM
So this loss is unusual.Yes, losing to someone ranked outside of the top 70 is unusual for someone who needed one win to break into the top 10 :crying2:

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:20 PM
The doubles it's about to start....good luck girls

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:24 PM
I wonder if Vera will practice on clay, or stay in Key Biscayne?
If I was Vera, I might want to train on green clay.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:30 PM
Broken to love in the opening game :o

How bad can my luck get today? :shrug:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:32 PM
I wonder if Vera will practice on clay, or stay in Key Biscayne?
If I was Vera, I might want to train on green clay.I guess it all depends on how she and Nastya go in doubles.

It's not as though she is going to tank her doubles match to get out of there :angel:

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:32 PM
They are just warming up :)

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:34 PM
I don't know. Vera just lost to a player outside the top 70.
Anastasia hasn't won a match in a long while.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:37 PM
I don't know. Vera just lost to a player outside the top 70.
Anastasia hasn't won a match in a long while.Like I said, Bepa plays well after she loses in singles in a really bad way ;)

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:39 PM
It should be around 0-4 until they start playing

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:41 PM
Anastasia hasn't been winning in singles or doubles.
Both of them need to build back their confidence.

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:46 PM
They will win. Trust me....or not :p

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Bepa doesn't need confidence to play well in doubles. It's a weird thing.

They just saved 4 break points to hold :o

It's 6:45am, I've had no sleep, and Bepa and Nastya are pulling these stunts :shout: :lol:

pav
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:48 PM
They are not making a brilliant start with the doubles either! still early days in that one,if Bepa practices on green clay thaey had better hose it first to get that muddy effect the way the little naughty brat played today!:hearts: can't help but like Her though

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Right now, the best thing for Vera and Anastasia would be to play each other.
At least then, one of them wins against a top 12 player.

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:51 PM
I told ya they are just warming up :p

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Right now, the best thing for Vera and Anastasia would be to play each other.
At least then, one of them wins against a top 12 player.
Hehe...:ras:

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:54 PM
We'll see what happens tomorrow. Anastasia is having a worse year than Vera.
They are both struggling in 2005.

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Tomorrow Anastasia will win. She must. Does she? I hope she wins a set at least. Well if she losses, she'll have plenty of time for the clay season. I'm losing it.

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:00 PM
I was pretty sure Vera would win today.
You never know.
If Anastasia loses, GM will be interesting.

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Bepa's loss today was a Nadia textbook special.

Nastya operates in a different way.

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:03 PM
If Anastasia loses, GM will be interesting.
Wood. ASAP. :smash:

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Anastasia is 4-5 this year. Vera has won 7 of her last 9.

goldenlox
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:04 PM
I'm going to bet 18 gazillion vDollars on Anastasia :D :cool:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:08 PM
Vera has won 7 of her last 9.At Tier III level or below.

This is a Super Tier I, and she lost to someone outside of the top 70 :banghead:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Bepa and Nastya took the 1st set 7-5, despite being broken at 4-4

I want them to close it out quickly!

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:28 PM
I second that :)

pav
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:15 PM
C'mon You two buttheads!!

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:18 PM
pav, I love your new avatar :rolls:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Bepa/Nastya won 7-5 7-6(2) :woohoo:

pav
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:20 PM
Hell they won!:)

pav
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:22 PM
pav, I love your new avatar :rolls:

She's very bad no smiling ones for a while :mad:

Epigone
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:28 PM
Had they not won that TB, I don't know what I would have done :yawn:

It's now 8:25am, and I've had enough of stressing over a scoreboard on the computer :unsure:

Bepa, you go and hit the practice courts, and I'll go to bed :zzz:

_LuCaS_
Mar 25th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Congrats :bigclap:

Gowza
Mar 25th, 2005, 11:19 PM
dont know whats going on with vera but i hope she can pick things up soon.

pav
Mar 26th, 2005, 09:27 AM
I was just reading an article in tennis reporters by Sandra Harwitt and wondered about this line- :confused: quote: Spain's Nuria Llagostera Vives, who upset a sick Vera Zvonareva in three sets. :confused:

nick_chicane
Mar 26th, 2005, 10:32 AM
Maybe she was ill? Anyone else have anymore details on the match?

_LuCaS_
Mar 26th, 2005, 11:05 AM
I was just reading an article in tennis reporters by Sandra Harwitt and wondered about this line- :confused: quote: Spain's Nuria Llagostera Vives, who upset a sick Vera Zvonareva in three sets. :confused:
I hope not, she still played doubles

andrewbroad
Mar 26th, 2005, 01:13 PM
It's okay to say that this loss was a bad one for Bepa, but we must bear in mind that she's just coming back from illness, and Florida is an extremely hot climate, which always seems to put her at a disadvantage.

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goldenlox
Mar 26th, 2005, 03:08 PM
It's good that they won. Vera has some more time to get healthy, and get re-focused.
She should go to a Heat game, while she's there.

Epigone
Mar 26th, 2005, 05:04 PM
I hope not, she still played doublesBepa would have to be hospitalised before even considering letting her partner down, unlike some other players :p :angel:

goldenlox
Mar 26th, 2005, 05:06 PM
Besides Memphis, this has not been a strong year for Vera.
If she's not healthy, at least she gets some rest.

Epigone
Mar 26th, 2005, 05:08 PM
It's okay to say that this loss was a bad one for Bepa, but we must bear in mind that she's just coming back from illness, and Florida is an extremely hot climate, which always seems to put her at a disadvantage.She had been training in Florida since winning Memphis, so she should have been more than acclimatised.

Epigone
Mar 26th, 2005, 05:15 PM
I asked the poster Kutuzova who went to the tournament on Thursday about the practice session between Bepa and Daniela:
Who controlled the rallies? Were there lots of unforced errors?
Vera did not seem to be feeling well, but Hantuchova was spraying some and Vera was being very agressive. It was pretty even, but Zvonareva would take advantage sometimes just because she has more pace off the ground.Bepa was already not feeling well :sad: