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Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 11:44 AM
In the closing credits of the Australian Open telecast tonight, they had a little clip of Bepa sitting down and throwing a towel over her head in disgust :o

BTW, now would be the time to give Marat a call. He was so cool under fire tonight, and he delivered the goods when it counted. In the 1st set, he was nowhere, but he stayed in the match, and then attacked when he found his game. That is a skill that Bepa needs to learn.

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Playing Pattaya and Memphis means no money.
But hopefully she gets her game on track.
Then IW & Key Biscayne can be Vera's return to the elite.

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Playing Pattaya and Memphis means no money.So? :shrug:

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2005, 04:49 PM
Vera has bills to pay. Lex isn't there because he's a Vera fan.

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Vera has bills to pay. Lex isn't there because he's a Vera fan.Bepa makes more than enough money to pay for everything she needs.

Besides, she doesn't have a contract with Lex. If he doesn't get paid, he leaves.

katiektc
Jan 30th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Vera has bills to pay. Lex isn't there because he's a Vera fan.

:lol:

I'm pretty sure Bepa isnt scraping the pennies together.

She earnt well over a million last year!! Now its time to focus on getting her game back!

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2005, 04:57 PM
:lol:Epi doesn't get my humor:lol:

pav
Jan 30th, 2005, 05:37 PM
:haha: a certain site that supports a very important player is having a disscussion on figures, modelling, looks etc. naughty naughty!! :)

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Vera, Hingis, and many others in Pattaya -

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=4833257#post4833257

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 08:26 PM
Epi doesn't get my humor:lol:I take everything that you write as being written in humour. It's the only think that prevents me from beating my head against the desk in frustration.

I still don't understand why you post in Bepa's thread when you aren't a fan, but I'll leave it at that :)

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 08:28 PM
:haha: a certain site that supports a very important player is having a disscussion on figures, modelling, looks etc. naughty naughty!! :):rolls:

The funniest discussion that I read there was about a Bepa calendar :D :tape:

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I still don't understand why you blah, blah:)You don't understand much, do you?

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Vera, Hingis, and many others in Pattaya -

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=4833257#post4833257Bepa sure likes her floral designs :D

I think this outfit really suits her :)

BTW, has she only got grapes on her plate?

It's a buffet, so get stuck in!!! :p

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 08:56 PM
You don't understand much, do you?If you're the barometer, then I understand a lot :)

Extreme western FH grips aren't suited to low bounce surfaces, but whatever...

BTW, I think that Bepa should dress like Katerina or Alyona Bondarenko.

Nice clothes (http://www.jirobkk.com/album/Volvo_Women_Open_2005/Welcome_Party/B-032.jpg) :D :worship:

katiektc
Jan 30th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Bepa just needs to dress like a 20 year old!! :lol:
Bepa.........walk away from the flowery curtains!!!!

Epigone
Jan 30th, 2005, 09:35 PM
I have to go to a physics conference in Canberra for the week and internet access will be limited, so I'm entrusting Emptiness with Bepa's cheering thread.

GL, don't wreck it! ;)

Udachi Bepa!!! Make it title #3, kiddo! :worship:

:wavey:

Stephieva
Jan 31st, 2005, 07:06 AM
Bepa sure likes her floral designs :Ddamn yes :lol:

me likes Vera's dress in Pattaya most...
it looks pretty...:hearts:

http://www.jirobkk.com/album/Volvo_Women_Open_2005/Welcome_Party/B-015.jpg

Edit: damn hope Vera will win here...:bounce:

Daniel
Jan 31st, 2005, 08:08 AM
love her with long hair looks sexy :drool:

goldenlox
Jan 31st, 2005, 03:50 PM
I have to go to a physics conference in Canberra for the week and internet access will be limited, so I'm entrusting Emptiness with Bepa's cheering thread.

GL, don't wreck it!

:wavey:'Entrust' someone to Hantuchova.:D
I'll keep this thread about :hearts: Vera:hearts: .
And now I can do that without these nonsensical distractions.:bounce:

goldenlox
Jan 31st, 2005, 05:45 PM
Saleni is 21, and ranked about 120. A good first round opponent.Vera plays after the Hingis match.
Vera has won 2 singles titles. Bol and Memphis, both Tier III's.
This is a Tier IV, very winnable.
Win the first match. And get your best form back.

daniela86
Feb 1st, 2005, 09:28 AM
Actually, I think the hippie dress with flowers suits Bepa,she looks elegant and beautiful :) :D But Epi is right, the tee shirt "you think i'm a bitch'tillwait to see my mother" is also nice :lol: :)
I really hope Bepa will win today coz it's a very very winnable match, if she loses,her confidence will be a real catastroph :sad: :sad: Btw,it's a pity she didn't enter doubles (even if there are no money :))it might help her to boost her confidence and right now, it's the most importnat thing to do. :) udachiiiiiii bepa!!!! :rocker:
have a nice trip Epi :rocker: :) :D

Daniel
Feb 1st, 2005, 09:31 AM
Good luck vsSalerni :bounce:

goldenlox
Feb 1st, 2005, 02:10 PM
Hingis lost, so Vera is the big star in Thailand. One point at a time.
Slowly get your game to where it was last summer.

daniela86
Feb 1st, 2005, 03:13 PM
BEPA WON 6/1 6/3!!!

congrats, it's a solid win!!! she must have played quite good, it's promising!! good luck against barna tomorrow!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :worship: ;) ;) :D :D :D :bounce: :cool: take da title Bepa!

goldenlox
Feb 1st, 2005, 03:17 PM
Take the title, and play your best tennis again.

~Rachel~
Feb 1st, 2005, 03:51 PM
BEPA WON 6/1 6/3!!!

congrats, it's a solid win!!! she must have played quite good, it's promising!! good luck against barna tomorrow!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :worship: ;) ;) :D :D :D :bounce: :cool: take da title Bepa!

:woohoo:

Now Hingis is out, Vera really shouldn't lose this title :bounce:

pav
Feb 1st, 2005, 03:53 PM
Good win for Bepa! I went to bed for an hour but kept sleeping ,got up and scrolled back through the whole Hingis match and after everyone crying for Martina, Bepa's scoring was only 6-1 0-3 6-3 like other good things that happen, all over too fast! :( She won though! :)

goldenlox
Feb 1st, 2005, 04:22 PM
Main Draw
1-ZVONAREVA Vera(RUS) vs SALENI Maria Emilia(ARG)
BARNA Anca(GER) vs PEREBIYNIS Tatiana(UKR)
LINETSKAYA Evgenia(RUS) vs TANASUGARN Tamarine(THA)
5-BRANDI Kristina(PUR) vs SANTANGELO Mara(ITA)

3-MARTINEZ Conchita(ESP) vs Q
TALAJA Silvija(CRO) vs Q
SERRA ZANETTI Antoneila(ITA) vs Q
6-DOMACHOWSKA Marta(POL) vs Q

7-GROENEFELD Anna Lena(GER) vs HOPKINS Jennifer(USA)
VOSKOBOEVA Galina(RUS) vs FEDAK Yuliana(UKR)
KREMER Anne(LUX) vs DOKIC Jelena(SCG)
4-WASHINGTON Mashona(USA) vs BONDARENKO Alyona(UKR)

8-RUANO PASCUAL Virginia(ESP) vs OBZILER Tzipora(ISR)
WEINGARTNER Mariene(GER) vs WC-HINGIS Martina(SUI)
SERNA Magui(ESP) vs CZINK Melinda(HUN)
2-BARTOLI Marion(FRA) vs WC-DAMAYANTI Ayu Fanti(INA)
Vera plays Barna next. A third round match with red hot Zhenya could happen.

KV
Feb 1st, 2005, 04:24 PM
Good win, yeah would pick a Vera vs. Zhenya clash

deep bass
Feb 1st, 2005, 05:58 PM
Phew! Are there any match stats?

Epigone
Feb 1st, 2005, 10:07 PM
Bepa :yeah:

I'm :crying2: that she isn't playing doubles with Martina, but such is life.

Shahar Peer took out Domachowska, so that is one less problem in the top half of the draw
Have a nice trip Epi :rocker: :) :DThanks :)

Gowza
Feb 2nd, 2005, 01:32 AM
nice win vera she should win the next round, needs to get a few matches under her belt and some consistency. good luck!

Daniel
Feb 2nd, 2005, 09:15 AM
Good luck Vera :kiss:

goldenlox
Feb 2nd, 2005, 02:39 PM
Vera has beaten Barna 2 out of 3 meetings. They haven't met since Aukland, in January 2003.

goldenlox
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:45 PM
We are in February, and Vera still hasn't beaten a player in the top 100.
This has been a very slow start to 2005.
Time to get rolling.

Epigone
Feb 3rd, 2005, 12:52 AM
Bepa will take the titles in Pattaya and Memphis, and will then be fully prepared for Indian Wells.

However, that will require full focus, so Bepa needs to have good results against Barna and Zhenya.

Foot's Fingers
Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:09 AM
Vera is leading 6-2 5-3 vs Barna

One more game pls!!!

Shoulderpova
Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:21 AM
Bepa won 6-2 6-3 another solid win :woohoo:
Keep it up Bepa and take the title
Good luck versus Zhenya :bounce:

Gowza
Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:37 AM
seems like vera is playing a bit better now, solid win. good luck next round!

daniela86
Feb 3rd, 2005, 10:33 AM
seems like vera is playing a bit better now, solid win. good luck next round!
I agree:yeah: i think she starts to found out her lost confidence :D :D
congrats my bepa!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: i didn't see who can prevent her from winning this title now :) ;) ;) ;) :) :) udachi against zhenya!!! :bounce: :bounce: :cool:

Daniel
Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:36 AM
Good luck in the QF :D

goldenlox
Feb 3rd, 2005, 02:09 PM
Now Vera plays Zhenya. It seems like Vera is putting it together.
I wish this match was on tv.

KV
Feb 3rd, 2005, 03:58 PM
Comfortable win as expected. Looking forward to her QF vs. the upcoming Zhenya L. :D

goldenlox
Feb 3rd, 2005, 04:21 PM
Barna is ranked about #100. Playing here may be a good move.
This match will tell the story. Zhenya is at a career high of #68, but she's getting top 30 results.

pav
Feb 3rd, 2005, 06:14 PM
I'm missing reviewing the Goldenlox/Epi, er discussions!

I've only seen Linetskaya briefly on TV at the AO. but everyone is treating Her with respect

Gowza
Feb 3rd, 2005, 09:39 PM
next match will be a bigger test for vera, although she has got solid wins this week im still not confident she is back playing her best, zhenya has been getting good results this year so it will be a good match up for both of them.

Emptiness
Feb 4th, 2005, 01:59 AM
Good solid win. One step closer to her trophy. :)

I have to go to a physics conference in Canberra for the week and internet access will be limited, so I'm entrusting Emptiness with Bepa's cheering thread.Oops. :o
Thanks for the gesture atleast haha.. i've had too much work, can't fit tennis into my multi-tasking. I even missed watching the men's Australian final because i recorded on the wrong day. :rolleyes:

http://www.jirobkk.com/album/Volvo_Women_Open_2005/Welcome_Party/B-015.jpgShocking! Something my grandma, if i had one, wouldn't wear. [Unless she was a scary grandma.. :unsure:]

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:35 AM
Vera 1-4* :(:(:(

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:36 AM
2 BP's Vera...c'mon :rocker2:

*2-4 :)
plz hold and break....cos' Vera is down a break now...

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:40 AM
3 BP's :o:o:o
15-40 phew...
30-40 :)

Broken :o:o:o
2-5* :rolleyes:

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:46 AM
Vera broke :)
*3-5 now...

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:50 AM
4-5*
Vera gotta break :rocker2:

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:53 AM
Vera lost set1 4-6 :(:(:(

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:59 AM
Vera broken :crying2:
4-6 0-1*

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Vera broke back...
I know damn well Vera can win this match...
she has to cut down UE's...

4-6 *1-1...

Oh..fyi, Vera has as half winners and a bit more UE's :o:o:o

saab95
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:05 AM
are u watching it, me&LenaD?!

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:08 AM
yes..:)
Vera got broken again :bigcry:
She screamed out damn loud with frustration...

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:10 AM
3 GP's for Eugenia
Vera has to win..
it'll only hurt her confidence if she loses...

4-6 *1-3

saab95
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:11 AM
Does Vera play top-10 player?

Gowza
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:14 AM
c'mon vera

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Vera DF's and UE's next...:mad:
15-30
30-30 damn great DTL BH :)
40-30 OMG damn good FH pass :yeah:
damn deuce cos' of DF :rolleyes:

BP ...UE from Vera...could be cos' of strongly windy right now...
Broken :bigcry:

4-6 1-4*

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:17 AM
Saab --> Eugenia plays good but Vera could do much better..
she can finish pts good but Vera committed too many UE's :(:(:(

Oh and Euge is damn aggressive

Vera is complaining to the chair umpire now...
she thought the ball was out...

30-30 C'mon Vera...:shout:

saab95
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:22 AM
Thanks, tell us more details

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:22 AM
BP..:D
Damn deuce cos' of Vera's UE :smash:
BP #2...c'mon Vera...
Wtf :fiery: the ball from other ct came so they have to replay again..
Deuce...
BP#2
Vera broke :D:D:D
*2-4

I damn hate courts here
They dun have anything separating one from another...:ras:

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:26 AM
15-0 Good serve from Vera
15-15 aggressive play from Euge and good smash
30-15 UE from Euge
30-30 again aggressive play by Euge
30-40 bad net cord :crying2:
Broken :bigcry:

Euge played Vera's BH
and she is being damn agrssive and grunting loudly...:lol:

Vera can't miss any game
4-6 2-5*

C'mon Vera...I know you're better than this...

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:31 AM
15-0 OMG...Vera played good and drop shot well but Euge is damn quick tho she is fat :p
15-15 UE from Euge
15-30 damn good FH DTL
30-30 forced error cos' Euge is damn aggressive
MP :sad: forced error

Euge changed page playing moonball and then hit hard :(

EU from Vera :bigcry:

Vera :shout:

4-6 2-6 :(:(:(

saab95
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:44 AM
AO showed you can win nothing without agressive shots.....
it's time to change background game

Stephieva
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:48 AM
Vera's game is damn inconsistent right now..:(
She can hit damn damn great winners...
and then DF and UE...:o

Vera's serve now isn't as slow as Lena's but it's her weak shot...

plz dun ask me if Vera was crying...:sad:

Eugenia has a solid game..
she can run down Vera's good shots...
then Vera hit UEs next :o:o:o

pav
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:48 AM
What is She going to do next, find a Tournament Where no younger or older Russians are entered, perhaps She should have entered the one here in Wellington!

pav
Feb 4th, 2005, 08:53 AM
just thinking back over the last two years one thing about Vera was She rarely lost in straight sets to a lower ranked player, She is certainly doing Her best to turn that stat. around!

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 09:33 AM
Bepa :bigcry: :shrug: :help:

I've seen Zhenya lately, and she wasn't playing as well as Bepa did in Sydney

Bepa must really be struggling with that serve and general UEs

It's times like this that Lex needs to make sure that she doesn't crumble. She has to realise that there is another tournament next week, and she'll have another chance to prove herself.

Bepa, please hang in there :sad: :hug:

Daniel
Feb 4th, 2005, 09:47 AM
Vera :sad: :sad: what is hapeni eoth you Vera lately??
relax, take some time and start winning again :smooch:

rrfnpump
Feb 4th, 2005, 10:15 AM
:o :o :crying2:

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 4th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Vera's in awful form :sad: :( :(
been going on far too long :sad: :(

she needs to SNAP out of it quick.

katiektc
Feb 4th, 2005, 11:44 AM
Vera :o
and Lena :o
DANG!

goldenlox
Feb 4th, 2005, 02:22 PM
I'm missing reviewing the Goldenlox/Epi, er discussions!
He ran away, back to Hantuchova:tape:
Vera is way off her best form.
All she can do is keep working, and try to compete for every point.
This happened to Sharapova last summer.
But she bounced back, and Vera will also.:)

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 02:29 PM
He ran away, back to Hantuchova:tape: :cuckoo:

Vera is way off her best form.
All she can do is keep working, and try to compete for every point.
This happened to Sharapova last summer.
But she bounced back, and Vera will also.:)I agree. However, Bepa wasn't built to be as mentally tough as Maria, so it will be harder for her.

goldenlox
Feb 4th, 2005, 02:39 PM
It's hard to win matches for everybody.
Vera is no different from anyone else.
I'm assuming she's healthy. Then, she just has to keep working.
There's no magic pill. Just talent, concentration, and hard work.

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Vera is no different from anyone else.Of course she is different from everyone else. She is the only player regularly exploding into tears :sobbing: :sad:

I'm assuming she's healthy. Then, she just has to keep working.
There's no magic pill. Just talent, concentration, and hard work.She has a hard time concentrating. She focuses on mistakes, rather than on the next point.

goldenlox
Feb 4th, 2005, 02:55 PM
At least she's losing to young Russians.
But Vera has a lot of points to defend. Losing a Tier IV QF does not help Vera too much.
She's no different in that every player has slumps. No one is always at their peak.
Vera has to be patient. There's no shortcut. Jusy keep working.

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:11 PM
At least she's losing to young Russians.:scratch: Uhm, to Bepa, that makes these losses even worse

But Vera has a lot of points to defend. Losing a Tier IV QF does not help Vera too much.She isn't in the worst of positions in the rankings at the moment. Even if she doesn't defend all of her points, she should be okay. Yes, Nadia is within striking distance, but Bepa's ranking is fairly safe at the moment.

goldenlox
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Vera will stay in the top 15, but getting back into the top 10 will be difficult.
That means few byes, and 5 Russians ranked ahead of her.
But it's not a disaster. Just a bump in the road.

katiektc
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Another ditch in the road You keep moving.

i cant believe i just quoted savage garden. the shame.

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Vera will stay in the top 15, but getting back into the top 10 will be difficult.As long as she isn't being passed, it's not the end of the world.

That means few byes, and 5 Russians ranked ahead of her.In one post you're saying that at least she's losing to young Russians, but now you're saying it's bad that five Russians are ranked ahead of her...

You're a very confusing person :confused:

But it's not a disaster. Just a bump in the road.I only hope that she sees it that way :o

goldenlox
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:32 PM
In one post you're saying that at least she's losing to young Russians, but now you're saying it's bad that five Russians are ranked ahead of her...

You're a very confusing person :confused:
:oThere's nothing confusing. If Vera is off her form, I'm glad other Russians get the quality points.
But the rankings among the Russian players is important.
If Vera wants to play Fed Cup, she needs to play better.

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:42 PM
There's nothing confusing. If Vera is off her form, I'm glad other Russians get the quality points.Oh, so you think it's good that the other Russians getting quality points, rather than being worried about Bepa's mental state when she is defeated by Russians younger than her...

If Vera wants to play Fed Cup, she needs to play better.Playing well doesn't guarantee a spot in the team. Elena Dementieva made two Slam finals last year, yet wasn't selected to play Fed Cup.

It's all about politics, and Bepa is viewed as being expendable because she is so loyal to Russian tennis.

goldenlox
Feb 4th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Oh, so you think it's good that the other Russians getting quality points, rather than being worried about Bepa's mental state when she is defeated by Russians younger than her...I thought Vera could go far in Melbourne.
She had beaten Sveta and Maria before.
But if she is going to lose early, I'm glad Vera D. got some money and points.
I still haven't seen Zhenya play. So I don't know what happened in Pattaya.

Epigone
Feb 4th, 2005, 04:08 PM
I still haven't seen Zhenya play. So I don't know what happened in Pattaya.Bepa made too many unforced errors.

She had 9 aces in the match against Barna, so she is obviously going for her 1st serve, but it is so inconsistent that she could have had 9 double faults in the match against Zhenya.

Zhenya does like to go for winners, but I think that Bepa probably made too many errors while defending.

deep bass
Feb 4th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Bepa! What a shocker when I saw the result on Eurosport.

Do you think the problem is purely one of confidence, tiredness because of the crazy push to get into the YEC or something else? All these losses worry me because she's not mentally strong and I think it could affect her worse than other players.

~Rachel~
Feb 4th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Vera :sad:

I'm beginning to think Bepa has a severe mental problem when it comes to playing her compatriots! She's admitted before that she's very competitive with fellow Russians, maybe this is a problem for her?

pav
Feb 5th, 2005, 02:01 AM
Bad Bepa!!

Epigone
Feb 5th, 2005, 02:24 AM
Bad Bepa!!:rolls:

Greatest picture ever!!!

You drew it, right? :worship:

pav
Feb 5th, 2005, 08:50 AM
:rolls:

Greatest picture ever!!!

You drew it, right? :worship:
A bit of a ten minute roughy, but if You want the original, pm Me an address and I'll post it to You for services to Bepa

katiektc
Feb 5th, 2005, 12:27 PM
:lol: wow pav that picture is really good.
u must b v talented!! :yeah:

Epigone
Feb 5th, 2005, 01:03 PM
A bit of a ten minute roughy, but if You want the original, pm Me an address and I'll post it to You for services to BepaYou are extremely talented :bowdown:

I love the attention to detail like the long eyelashes and earrings :D

Thanks for the offer. I'll think about it :)

Methinks that someone has been studying lots of Bepa pics :p

goldenlox
Feb 5th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Bepa! What a shocker when I saw the result on Eurosport.

Do you think the problem is purely one of confidence, tiredness because of the crazy push to get into the YEC or something else? All these losses worry me because she's not mentally strong and I think it could affect her worse than other players.I think every player has slumps.
Anastasia had one after the Olympics.
Maria had one after Wimbledon.
This is Vera's slump period. If she can pull it together by IW & Miami, she'll be fine.
If she's still slumping during the claycourt season, it could be a serious issue.

Epigone
Feb 5th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Anastasia had one after the Olympics.You attributed this slump to Nastya's disappointing Olympic campaign

Maria had one after Wimbledon.You attributed this slump to the media attention surrounding Masha after she won Wimbledon.

Care to suggest a reason for Bepa's slump?

goldenlox
Feb 5th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Her rhythm is a little off. A slump can be little things.
It only matters that she practices with real focus, and improves her shot making.

Epigone
Feb 5th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Her rhythm is a little off. A slump can be little things.
It only matters that she practices with real focus, and improves her shot making.Here is what waratahsrock posted in Bepa's AO thread: Of interest was on the day after her semi finals exit in the doubles, Vera and her coach had a very tough workout on Vera's serve, they spent about an hour in the heat, and Vera looked to be very frustrated and was constantly arguing with her coach, disagreeing with all the points he was makingIt seems like Bepa is practising, although it doesn't sound as though she is too focused :o

goldenlox
Feb 5th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I know Lansdorp said his students do so well because of constant repetition.
He made Maria hits thousands of balls. The same shot, over and over.
It's not easy to do that, and keep your concentration.
Those who can focus in practice, can play their best in matches.

Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 01:44 PM
I know Lansdorp said his students do so well because of constant repetition.Constant repetition only works if the technique is correct. Bepa arguing with Lex while practising her serve suggests that he isn't happy with her technique.

It's not easy to do that, and keep your concentration.
Those who can focus in practice, can play their best in matches.Focus isn't the strongest aspect of Bepa's game, so she needs to work on it. She takes practice seriously, and her frustration shows when she makes mistakes. It's the same problem that she has during matches, and I think it makes her practice sessions less productive.

deep bass
Feb 6th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Hasn't she been crazy on court since she was a child though? From the comments that she's made in interviews in the past I'm not sure she's committed to changing her mental approach, especially if she's losing the rag whilst practicing, never mind in the pressure situation of a match.

Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Hasn't she been crazy on court since she was a child though?It's hard to know. As a junior, I think she was regarded as one of the most mentally tough of the Russians. However, you may remember that Sveta said after their YEC match that Bepa once beat her in juniors because her crying during a changeover put Sveta off her game :shrug:

From the comments that she's made in interviews in the past I'm not sure she's committed to changing her mental approach, especially if she's losing the rag whilst practicing, never mind in the pressure situation of a match.I think that Bepa tends to underplay issues during interviews. There's a stark contrast between her drama-filled performances on court, and her "everything is okay" statements in interviews.

Perhaps she doesn't want to say that there is a problem because she sees it as admitting another failing?

I think that her argument with Lex at the AO was due to frustration, more than anything else. I'd have to say that she was more calm during practice in Sydney this year than she was last year. Last year, she was screaming and hitting her shoes with her racquet :o

In an interview with Lex that I posted recently, he discusses Bepa's outburts, and I think they are working on controlling her aggression. Whether or not he can successfully reign her in is another story.

goldenlox
Feb 6th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Vera had good results last summer, with her showing emotion.
I don't think that's the problem.
But she has to believe in her coach. And listen to her coach.
If that's not happening, she needs to get a coach she believes in.

Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Vera had good results last summer, with her showing emotion.
I don't think that's the problem.Of course it's the problem. Her good results would have been great results had she not :crying2: at the drop of a hat. The US Open match against Lena D. is a prime example, but that's in the past.

But she has to believe in her coach. And listen to her coach.
If that's not happening, she needs to get a coach she believes in.Changing coaches would simply be running away from the problem. Besides, if you want to see fights between a coach and a player, watch Nadia and Glen Schaap going at it :lol:. However, I think that Nadia respects him, so they can still have a productive relationship.

goldenlox
Feb 6th, 2005, 04:39 PM
Nadia has said that she trusts Glen totally. And Vera played her best when showing emotions. That's who she is.

Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 04:54 PM
Nadia has said that she trusts Glen totally.They make quite a team :D

And Vera played her best when showing emotions. That's who she is.Her best match last year was against Capriati in Philadelphia, and she was calm :)

Now, contrast that with the match against Nadia in the SF when she started crying and almost threw away the 2nd set, only to correct herself just in time.

I'll break it down for you in a statement that you can understand: [GL mode]Positive emotions are good, while negative emotions are bad[/GL mode] :p

goldenlox
Feb 6th, 2005, 04:59 PM
She beat Maria in Montreal while showing plenty of emotion.

Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 05:07 PM
She beat Maria in Montreal while showing plenty of emotion.It doesn't mean that she was performing at her optimum level.

Yes, she may be able to win while showing plenty of emotion, but her emotions have been responsible for more big losses than victories.

Back to Philadelphia - Bepa took the first set 6-2, and then got all :crying2: at the start of the 2nd set. That took her out of the match.

goldenlox
Feb 6th, 2005, 05:12 PM
It doesn't mean that she was performing at her optimum level.Then you didn't see the match.

Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 05:22 PM
Then you didn't see the match.No, I didn't see the match because I was probably in Poland :)

The point is that it doesn't mean that it was the best tennis that she could play. I just don't see how you can possibly argue that breaking down in the middle of a match can be beneficial to performance :confused:

Bepa at her best can do better than a 4-6 6-4 6-4 victory.

goldenlox
Feb 6th, 2005, 05:24 PM
Vera did a great job to close out the second and third sets.
That's what made that Montreal win special.

I don't think her emotions are a problem. She might have some technical flaws.
They would show up more when the pressure in a match is present.

andrewbroad
Feb 6th, 2005, 07:00 PM
Bad Bepa!!

:lol: :haha: :lol:

andrewbroad
Feb 6th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Care to suggest a reason for Bepa's slump?

She has just played three tournaments in very hot climates. Things will pick up when she plays in cooler climates.

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Epigone
Feb 6th, 2005, 11:00 PM
She has just played three tournaments in very hot climates. Things will pick up when she plays in cooler climates.There is no way that I can see her loss in Sydney being attributed to the hot climate.

She trained in the heat of the day without any visible adverse effects, and she played when the temperature was cool.

In relation to Melbourne and Pattaya City - Bepa trains in Delray Beach, while I'm pretty sure that Vera D. and Zhenya train in Moscow. Serena Williams said that Florida is hotter than Melbourne during summer, so Bepa should have had an advantage if it was hot.

In Melbourne, her serving stats in the 1st round were 32/62 = 52%, with 1 ace and 8 double faults, and her serving stats in the 2nd round were 22/54 = 41%, with 1 ace and 11 double faults.

IMO, that's one of the main areas of concern, and I don't see how a change of climate is going to help improve that area of her game.

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 03:36 PM
I haven't seen Vera play this year. But through three tournaments, this is her worst form in a long while.
She was very solid for most of 2004.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 03:57 PM
This could be her worst run since early 2003, and that's a real worry :scared:

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:00 PM
In some of Vera's 2004 losses, she played poorly. But she was playing good players.
Her loss to Venus on green clay was not well played.
But Vera usually beat the players she was supposed to beat.
That's what's different about this slump.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:12 PM
Yep, her problems last year came against players in the top 10. She was usually beating players ranked below her (although this changed towards the end of the season), but she already has losses to three lower-ranked players this year. What's worse is that Zuluaga was the only one with a ranking close to Bepa's ranking.

I don't think it's time to panic, but this should be a wake up call :unsure:

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:15 PM
It's never time to panic. Even if she loses early in Memphis, this slump is still just a small part of her career.
There really is nothing she can do, except change coaches.
And that's only a good idea if Vera feels coaching has been a problem.
Because a new coach is not a quick fix. This is all about Vera.
She's the only one on her side of the court.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Bepa and Lex don't have a contract, so she can leave if she wants. However, I don't see another coach being able to do any better if Bepa isn't willing to pull her weight.

One possible criticism of Julia was that she wasn't tough enough with Bepa, and that may have allowed Bepa to develop some "unproductive behavioral traits", for want of a better description. In other words, she would console Bepa when she started crying, instead of telling her to pull herself together and get on with the job.

I think that Lex is less likely to offer a shoulder to cry on (e.g. after her US Open meltdown), and this may cause issues with Bepa. However, I think that she needs some additional guidance from an expert because I'm not sure if Lex is equipped to deal with her unique personality traits.

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Some players like to change coaches. Some keep one coach for a career.
Vera needs to be patient. She has money, and she can have a different coach every week if she wants.
That's not the answer. It's about focus, and staying in her comfort zone.
Vera has to do it herself. When she's in a match.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:41 PM
It's about focus, and staying in her comfort zone.
Vera has to do it herself. When she's in a match.I disagree. I think that she should be leaving her comfort zone.

She simply has to learn that going outside of her comfort zone isn't scary, and it doesn't mean that tears will flow.

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:43 PM
I think she needs to play steady, and not be so aggressive.
I still agree with Luke Jensen.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:57 PM
I think she needs to play steady, and not be so aggressive.
I still agree with Luke Jensen.I think that Bepa is at her best when she is aggressive, but therein lies the problem. If she is aggressive and hitting lots of winners and few errors, her opponent may as well not even bother being there. However, if she is starts making a few errors, she will get angry at herself, and then more and more errors creep into her game. This is sort of what happened against Lindsay in Sydney last year.

As I see it, everything comes down to psychology. When Bepa hits a winner, the effect isn't that it pumps her up, but rather that it stops her from getting down on herself. So as long as she isn't making errors, she will be focused and will play well.

That's why Bepa playing aggressive tennis is dangerous. If she makes errors while being aggressive, she loses the point, and she gets down on herself. This is why I said that she needs to get out of her comfort zone. I think that she needs to be told that there is no problem making errors while playing aggressive tennis, as long as she plays the right shot at the right time. She should get rid of that baggage and go into some matches with attack! on her mind :D

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:07 PM
:zzz: I guess if Vera can read Gogol, she can get through one of your posts.

Anyone who plays aggressive, without being steady, will beat themselves.
Be steady, and go for winners when the opportunity is there. Don't force every point.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:20 PM
:zzz: I guess if Vera can read Gogol, she can get through one of your posts.My posts are very informative :)

Anyone who plays aggressive, without being steady, will beat themselves.
Be steady, and go for winners when the opportunity is there. Don't force every point.Of course you shouldn't force shots, but there is a difference between taking the initiative in points, and simply reacting to the shots that your opponent plays. I want Bepa to dictate points :cool:

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:22 PM
To beat good players, she has to dictate some of the points.
I haven't seen her matches this year. So I can't comment on them.
But I know if you play aggressive, you have to not beat yourself.

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:34 PM
But I know if you play aggressive, you have to not beat yourself.I just think that Bepa needs to be mentally prepared to make errors if she is going to play aggressive tennis. If she is going to start hitting herself with her racquet for hitting a ball wide, then that is a huge problem.

I love watching her play aggressive tennis, but it can get very ugly if she is off target :o

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:41 PM
I believe that the gap between players is not wide. Sprem beat Venus, and now lost to Dinara.
Some of the difference is mental. Focusing on every point.
It's not easy to be in the top 10.
And in tennis, you have to prove yourself in every match.
Your opponents want to beat you today. They don't care if you've a had a better career.
All that matters is the current match.

deep bass
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:57 PM
As I see it, everything comes down to psychology. When Bepa hits a winner, the effect isn't that it pumps her up, but rather that it stops her from getting down on herself.


A perfect description of her.

_LuCaS_
Feb 7th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Bad Bepa!!
:lol:
Well I think Nastya should be doing the same thing :tape:
Bad Nastya :smash:

Epigone
Feb 7th, 2005, 11:22 PM
I believe that the gap between players is not wide. Sprem beat Venus, and now lost to Dinara.
Some of the difference is mental. Focusing on every point.That's why I don't understand you saying that it's good that Bepa shows her emotions.

Some players yell out "c'mon" to pump themselves up and get focused. I don't like that, but I will admit that it is more likely to bring about focus than crying will do.

Bepa needs to channel her emotions positively, otherwise she is giving her opponents a huge psychological edge. That edge can be the difference between a win and a loss.

Emptiness
Feb 8th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Vera is an intelligent girl, i'm sure she realises her mentality fragility, question is if she'll take the necessary steps to correct it. I think she's at a crossroad. Either she starts improving or watch others improve pass her. I perceive eastern cultures as regarding psycologist in a negative light.. atleast its doesn't seem to be taken too seriously but Vera really should consider it.

I'm in a mood. :rolleyes:

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2005, 03:11 PM
I've seen Vera play some of her best tennis after being very upset about a UE.
I don't think her emotions hurt her.

Epigone
Feb 8th, 2005, 05:20 PM
I've seen Vera play some of her best tennis after being very upset about a UE.And I've seen her throw away many games after being upset about a UE.

I don't think her emotions hurt her.You must be the only one who thinks that way.

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2005, 05:22 PM
This year, Vera hasn't beaten a player in the top 100.
So this is not about emotions, because she has beaten good players in the past, while being emotional.

Epigone
Feb 8th, 2005, 05:33 PM
This year, Vera hasn't beaten a player in the top 100.
So this is not about emotions, because she has beaten good players in the past, while being emotional.Oh, I think her current problems are due to technical, rather than emotional breakdowns.

Her serve is a mess, and I think she is being erratic with her groundstrokes. Sure, that will get her down emotionally, but this is a problem that is larger than a bit of :crying2:.

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2005, 05:39 PM
I looked at the prizemoney list, and Vera is #16.
More in doubles than singles. But she's still getting paid.
Vera is in a good situation. Even in a slump, she's successful by any real standards.
All she can do is try to find her form.
Until then, play doubles at IW & Miami.

Epigone
Feb 8th, 2005, 11:40 PM
I looked at the prizemoney list, and Vera is #16.
More in doubles than singles. But she's still getting paid.
Vera is in a good situation. Even in a slump, she's successful by any real standards.You and your money :rolleyes:

Bepa is currently #64 in the singles Race. She has 67.00 points from three tournaments. Look at the players ahead of her in the Race, and then repeat your previous statement with a straight face.

All she can do is try to find her form.
Until then, play doubles at IW & Miami.:scratch: She has a singles title to defend in Memphis. How about she tries to play well in singles there :)

David Barker
Feb 9th, 2005, 07:33 AM
I've seen Vera alot and like her.

Her main problem is that she is one dimensional in her game plan. If she is just missing everything on a particular day, there are no change of tactics, no game plan B - just more of the same.

Very frustrating! This failing has been picked up by quite a few TV commentators, including Sam Smith and Jo Durie. Vera NEEDS variety.

Daniel
Feb 9th, 2005, 08:50 AM
Vera :hug: :smooch: :)

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Her main problem is that she is one dimensional in her game plan. If she is just missing everything on a particular day, there are no change of tactics, no game plan B - just more of the same.

Very frustrating! This failing has been picked up by quite a few TV commentators, including Sam Smith and Jo Durie. Vera NEEDS variety.That may be true on some days, but I've seen matches in which she has switched her game plan on the fly.

In fact, I thought that one of her problems was that she had so much flexibility that she would sometimes mix things up so much that there was no real rhythm to her play. Also, she would sometimes be struck down by indecision because she had a number of ways that she could play a ball.

For instance, she'd play from the baseline, and then decide to rush the net to mix things up when that was the wrong option :confused:

BTW, I made a post here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4461389&postcount=4164) about an interview that Bepa gave to Eurosport radio during the YEC last year. She said that one of her strengths is being able to change her tactics :scratch:

You should post here more often :wavey:

pav
Feb 9th, 2005, 09:19 AM
I've seen Vera alot and like her.

Her main problem is that she is one dimensional in her game plan. If she is just missing everything on a particular day, there are no change of tactics, no game plan B - just more of the same.

Very frustrating! This failing has been picked up by quite a few TV commentators, including Sam Smith and Jo Durie. Vera NEEDS variety.
That certainly wasn't a trait of Bepa in the past,that was one of the talents She posessed that attracted Me to follow Her, She had an ability to work an opponent out during a match and adapt a new game plan as the match progressed,this wouldn't always result in a win of course,an example was against Mary Pierce in a Fed Cup Match, where She lost, but made up a lot of ground after a game plan change,She would throw in a few moonballs ,change Her plan completely during a match if needed . Masha a year ago was what I would call a one dimensional player( She has since fixed this up a lot)I sincerely hope Bepa has not become one dimensional,as this must have been picked up very recently

Daniel
Feb 9th, 2005, 10:05 AM
That may be true on some days, but I've seen matches in which she has switched her game plan on the fly.

In fact, I thought that one of her problems was that she had so much flexibility that she would sometimes mix things up so much that there was no real rhythm to her play. Also, she would sometimes be struck down by indecision because she had a number of ways that she could play a ball.

For instance, she'd play from the baseline, and then decide to rush the net to mix things up when that was the wrong option :confused:

BTW, I made a post here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4461389&postcount=4164) about an interview that Bepa gave to Eurosport radio during the YEC last year. She said that one of her strengths is being able to change her tactics :scratch:

You should post here more often :wavey:

true if she sys so, but i think her problem is she is too emotional and at the end it does not help her to win crucial matches. she loses her focus once she gets too frustrated in the match.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 10:51 AM
true if she sys so, but i think her problem is she is too emotional and at the end it does not help her to win crucial matches. she loses her focus once she gets too frustrated in the match.Bepa has raised it as an issue, as have Lex, numerous commentators and posters on this board. In addition, other players have also commented on her meltdowns.

However, goldenlox thinks that Bepa's emotions aren't a problem, so I think we should all rethink our position on that subject :p

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:08 PM
You and your money :rolleyes:

Bepa is currently #64 in the singles Race. She has 67.00 points from three tournaments. Look at the players ahead of her in the Race, and then repeat your previous statement with a straight face.

:scratch: She has a singles title to defend in Memphis. How about she tries to play well in singles there :)Vera is #16 in 2005 prizemoney.
There are thousands of players who would like to be in that situation.

The important thing for Vera to do is to make sure she is having fun.
She should get out of bed wanting to train.
And go to bed looking forward to tomorrow.

Vera is very successful at age 20. And there are a lot of players, like Myskina and Molik, who improve in their 20's.

So stay positive.
And even if this slump continues for a while longer, what Vera should do is try to enjoy her training, and her matches.

Focus, but ENJOY it. This is your career. It should be fun. :wavey:
And like I said, even during a slump, Vera is making a great living. :cool:

Have fun. :D

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:28 PM
Vera is #16 in 2005 prizemoney.
There are thousands of players who would like to be in that situation.Prizemoney isn't an accurate reflection of her season so far. Just take a look a the players who have more points than her in the race, despite some of them having only played two tournaments :banghead:

Vera is very successful at age 20. And there are a lot of players, like Myskina and Molik, who improve in their 20's.I know that she will improve, but there are some big hurdles to overcome.

Have fun. :DI want that more than anything else :)

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:35 PM
Prizemoney isn't an accurate reflection of her season so far. Just take a look a the players who have more points than her in the race, despite some of them having only played two tournaments :banghead:
Prizemoney is a reflection of where Vera is in both singles and doubles.
Just like Lena L., and Nadia, Vera can have an awful year in singles, and still earn money most people can only dream about :drool: :lick:

That's why, more than anything else, Vera should structure her day so it's fun for her.

And obviously, the most fun is when you play well & win.
Until that happens, it's important to enjoy yourself each day. :D

katiektc
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:38 PM
Isn't it interesting that at the start of 2005 every russina is having a bit of a slump after a great 2004. Vera,Elena d,Nastya, etc none of them are doing too well.
maybe they are having a bit of a let down after all achieving their best years on tour and having to start again.
they might just be missing that important journalist question about why they think all the russians are doing so well :tape:
this should be the time they are all proving that 2004 wasnt a fluke and that they are here to stay.

katiektc
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Oh, when i said Russina's.....i meant Russian Russina's.
not including the one from florida. :angel:

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:43 PM
They weren't doing that great a year ago, either.
I remember that before the FO, my expectations were very low.
Myskina had won 1 match on clay in 2004 before RG, and only 1 match at RG in her life.
I never expected an all Russian final.
So slumps can turn around quickly.
That's why it's important to stay patient, and maintain your focus.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Prizemoney is a reflection of where Vera is in both singles and doubles.I'm more concerned about the number of singles matches she is winning, as I think it's a better reflection of her form. She is yet to defend her points from last year.

Just like Lena L., and Nadia, Vera can have an awful year in singles, and still earn money most people can only dream about :drool: :lick: Nadia is yet to play doubles this year :sad:

And obviously, the most fun is when you play well & win.
Until that happens, it's important to enjoy yourself each day. :DI want to see her have fun on court, but the only time that really seems to happen is when she plays doubles.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:00 PM
I'm more concerned .. blah, blah

Nadia is yet to play doubles this year

I know Nadia hasn't played doubles this year. But it's a great way to earn millions.

katiektc
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:03 PM
haha......GL was quoting herself again...
<blah blah.......;)>

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:06 PM
I know Nadia hasn't played doubles this year. But it's a great way to earn millions.And that's through no fault of her own. Just like when Nastya stiffed Bepa at Wimbledon and the US Open. Trying to make a living from doubles means that you have to rely on someone else to perform.

In singles, you control your own destiny. If you're not up to scratch, you won't win, but if you play well, you should advance to the next round. Bepa hasn't been up to scratch as of yet, and that's why she is #64 in the Race.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Doubles is fun, and you can play it well until you're 35.
Nadia will have plenty of chances to play doubles.
The whole idea is that there's no rush. Vera has years and years ahead of her.
She's extremely successful, and she shouldn't stress out because of a few off weeks.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:15 PM
haha......GL was quoting herself again...
<blah blah.......;)>If someone else would say something interesting, I would quote them also :lol:

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Doubles is fun, and you can play it well until you're 35.
Nadia will have plenty of chances to play doubles.
The whole idea is that there's no rush. Vera has years and years ahead of her.
She's extremely successful, and she shouldn't stress out because of a few off weeks.Bepa said that singles is where she focuses most of her energy, so that's where I would prefer to see good results at the moment.

I think that Memphis will go a long way to defining the first quarter of her season. Defending her title will set her up nicely for a run into IW and Miami, but a loss (I'm not even thinking about her losing) might be pretty bad for her confidence as she goes into the two big Tier I tournaments.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Singles is what every player focuses on. But Vera will have a strong career at both.
Doubles will mean she can still have that feeling of winning, even when she is slumping.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Singles is what every player focuses on. But Vera will have a strong career at both.
Doubles will mean she can still have that feeling of winning, even when she is slumping.Who will partner her at Indian Wells?

Bepa and Nastya don't play too many tournaments together, so she will have to find another partner for when Nastya isn't around.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Vera has played with a lot of partners. She can ask Sharapova. Or Kirilenko. Or Rodionova. Or Lena B. Or Lena L.
And there are many other choices.
Vera is an elite doubles player. It won't be hard to find a quality partner.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Vera has played with a lot of partners. She can ask: Sharapova - uhm, no!
Or Kirilenko - possible, but I'd rather see Masha play with Yakimova
Or Rodionova - I don't know how many times they will appear at the same tournament
Or Lena B. - if she can stay healthy. Besides, I don't think they really get on
Or Lena L. - my preferred choice from your list

And there are many other choices.
Vera is an elite doubles player. It won't be hard to find a quality partner.I'd like her to play with Nadia, but that won't happen :crying2:

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:01 PM
Nadia is happy with Meghann. But I'd like to see her play with Lena B.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:09 PM
Nadia is happy with Meghann. But I'd like to see her play with Lena B.Nadia needs a partner who will stay healthy, since she needs to be playing doubles when she is healthy :o

Bepa is an ironwoman of the sport, so she'd be a good choice if Meghann was unavailable :wavey:

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:11 PM
But Vera is with Anastasia.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:15 PM
But Vera is with Anastasia.I know :)

But I'd like to see Bepa and Nadia play doubles at a tournament where Nastya is unavailable. The closest I came to seeing that was the Kremlin Cup doubles match between Bepa/Nastya and Nadia/Lena B.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:19 PM
Nadia and Vera both have regular partners. So chances are, they won't each need a fill in at the same tourney.
You want someone like Molik. Now Sveta is going to clean up, playing with Alicia.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:22 PM
Bepa + Nadia could crush everyone, but it's not doing to happen. Well, maybe only in my dreams :zzz:

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:24 PM
They would be a good team. I always thought Vera and Sveta would be a good team.
Vera won the KC, and US Open mixed in 2004.
So she will have no problems finding a quality partner.
It should be someone Vera gets along with.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Sveta said that Bepa is her best friend on tour. However, I think it is pretty clear that many of the Russians have multiple best friends :lol:

Bepa, Nastya, Sveta, and Lena L. are all really close, so Bepa could play doubles with any of them. She is lucky that her best friends are top quality players, as they could form great partnerships quickly if they were paired together.

Sveta and Bepa played doubles back in juniors in the European Junior Team Championships, but I don't know if and when we'll see them together again.

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Vera needs a good partner for IW, the money is good there.
Then Anastasia will be in Miami.
I know Vera won't be happy until she's getting good results again.
But the bills keep coming, wins or not, so it's good to play doubles.

Epigone
Feb 9th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Vera needs a good partner for IW, the money is good there.Thanks for finally realising what I was saying 10 or so posts ago :wavey:

I know Vera won't be happy until she's getting good results again.Exactly, and she takes losing very badly :sad:

But the bills keep coming, wins or not, so it's good to play doubles.It's not as though she desperately needs the money to pay off her new Ferrari :rolleyes:

Emptiness
Feb 10th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Bepa, Nastya, Sveta, and Lena L. are all really close, so Bepa could play doubles with any of them. She is lucky that her best friends are top quality players, as they could form great partnerships quickly if they were paired together. Hmm. Vera is not friends with Elena D.? They looked friendly at Watson's Water challenge playing doubles, Elena waited for Vera to pack up so she could leave with her. Unlike a certain other doubles partner. :tape:

Seems insignificant but its the little gestures..

Epigone
Feb 10th, 2005, 01:08 AM
Hmm. Vera is not friends with Elena D.?I heard that Elena was nice to Bepa at the 2002 US Open, but I don't think I've seen anything written abut their relationship. They probably are friends, but I don't know if they'd hang out together that much. I don't think that Sveta and Lena D. want to be around each other, and in that case, I think Bepa would choose to hang out with Sveta.

Unlike a certain other doubles partner. :tape:That other partner probably didn't want Bepa in pictures with her, and therefore decided to walk off ahead :tape:. BTW, did Bepa and that other partner interact much on court?

Seems insignificant but its the little gestures..It's nicer than Bepa almost taking Nastya's head off after their doubles loss in Sydney last year :o :lol:

Epigone
Feb 10th, 2005, 03:55 AM
Lisa Raymond and Shuai Peng are out of Memphis, so that should make Bepa's job a whole lot easier as Lisa always plays very well in Memphis

Jamesss
Feb 10th, 2005, 07:53 AM
Lisa Raymond and Shuai Peng are out of Memphis, so that should make Bepa's job a whole lot easier as Lisa always plays very well in Memphis

Has this withdrawal got anything to do with her AO back injury? :sad:

Hope that Peng finds a new partner quick smart, she's an entertaining player to watch.

Epigone
Feb 10th, 2005, 08:43 AM
Has this withdrawal got anything to do with her AO back injury?Yep.
Raymond, who won here in 2002 and 2003, injured abdominal muscles in a second-round doubles match at the Australian Open. The injury forced her to withdraw from a third-round singles match against French Open champion Anastasia Myskina. Doctors told her the injury would require up to six weeks to heal.link (http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4886247&postcount=4)

She was the player I feared most because she has won two titles in Memphis, and held championship points against Bepa last year.

goldenlox
Feb 10th, 2005, 04:30 PM
I know Vera won't be happy until she's getting good results again.I'm glad Vera is playing Memphis. This tournament supports a children's hospital, and Vera is doing something greater than just working on her career.
She's helping those who are much less fortunate.

Epigone
Feb 10th, 2005, 11:17 PM
I'm glad Vera is playing Memphis. This tournament supports a children's hospital, and Vera is doing something greater than just working on her career.
She's helping those who are much less fortunate.Oh puh-lease! :lol:

So you don't want her playing Doha and Dubai? You know that she will make more money from playing those two event, and I know how much you love money :hearts: . Seriously, you come out with many contradictory statements :o

Will your beloved Anna once again visit the hospital during the tournament? Maybe she and Bepa can go together... :)

Foot's Fingers
Feb 11th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Vera is a player for whom i worried the most right now

(of cos after Rodionova :) )

But i REALLY hope tt Vera finds her game

Epigone
Feb 11th, 2005, 12:53 PM
The bad thing is that she seems to have low confidence at the best of times, so losing to younger, lower-ranked Russians early in tournaments must be having a terrible effect on her mindset :sad:

However, I know that she will get her form back, hopefully starting in Memphis :)

goldenlox
Feb 11th, 2005, 02:39 PM
So you don't want her playing Doha and Dubai? You know that she will make more money from playing those two event, and I know how much you love money :hearts: . If I felt that way, I would have said it about Pattaya.
I believe the players should be involved in charity.
And this tournament is a great charity.

Epigone
Feb 11th, 2005, 02:47 PM
If I felt that way, I would have said it about Pattaya.
I believe the players should be involved in charity.
And this tournament is a great charity.:lol: You're already resorting to insults.

You did say there was no point in playing doubles in Pattaya because there was no money to be made :)

goldenlox
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:11 PM
I was resorting to insults since you first came to pollute this thread :wavey:
I'm all for this Memphis tournament. I think Vera goes because they gave her a WC when she was ranked about #300.
But I'm for all the top players playing Memphis.
It's for a greater good.

Epigone
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:21 PM
I was resorting to insults since you first came to pollute this thread :wavey: The only one polluting this thread is you with your absurd assertions and name calling :wavey:

I'm all for this Memphis tournament. I think Vera goes because they gave her a WC when she was ranked about #300.Yes, the tournament has special meaning for her.

But I'm for all the top players playing Memphis.
It's for a greater good.The top players won't want to play Memphis because it's a Tier III, and the points and money on offer aren't attractive enough.

goldenlox
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:26 PM
The only one polluting this thread is blah, blah...I thought you had to go somewhere for a few weeks.
Now skidaddle :wavey:

Epigone
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:35 PM
I thought you had to go somewhere for a few weeks.I had to go to a conference for 5 days, but I've been back for a week. My presence in this thread is so great that you never even knew I was gone :cool:

The next week is very important. There are huge points and a title to defend. I've got a feeling that Bepa will be back in stride for Memphis. Even if her serve is a little off, her groundstrokes will hopefully keep her ahead in her matches.

goldenlox
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Next week isn't important. Vera's career will be a long and winding road.
Many ups and downs. She has to stay positive, and keep working.
Look what happened in Paris. Golovin was in the same section as Maria and Serena.
They both withdrew, and she's in a Tier II semi against Dinara.
You have to keep competing, and some draws will open up.

Epigone
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Next week isn't important. Vera's career will be a long and winding road.
Many ups and downs. She has to stay positive, and keep working.A few days ago, you were saying that she has to be careful because people will overtake her in the rankings. Now you're saying that a week in which Bepa has to defend 174 points in singles and finals points in doubles isn't important.

If you're going to troll, please construct an argument that isn't so transparent :wavey:

Look what happened in Paris. Golovin was in the same section as Maria and Serena.
They both withdrew, and she's in a Tier II semi against Dinara.
You have to keep competing, and some draws will open up.:banghead: Next week in Memphis, Bepa will be the hunted, rather than the hunter. She is supposed to be the best player in the draw, so her opponents will be hoping to avoid her.

goldenlox
Feb 11th, 2005, 03:56 PM
A few days ago, you were saying blah, blah...I've always said the same thing - try hard, have fun, get paid.
This is Vera's career. So it's both - about money, and about her day-to-day life.

deep bass
Feb 11th, 2005, 05:02 PM
You two crack me up. Even if I weren't a fan of Vera's I'd come in for the insults you two politely sling at each other.

Epigone
Feb 11th, 2005, 05:31 PM
You two crack me up. Even if I weren't a fan of Vera's I'd come in for the insults you two politely sling at each other.Truth must reign supreme in this thread, and as a consequence, trolldenlox and her contradictions must be confronted head on.

Bepa has to make an important decision to make when she chooses her doubles partner for Memphis. I want her to keep moving up the doubles rankings, and that means that she'll need to defend her points from last year (they would be in excess of 100 points).

Zhenya would be a possibility, as Bepa virtually always plays with other Russians. However, a certain Meghann Shaughnessy is in the draw, and I bet that she'd like to play doubles with a good partner... :D

goldenlox
Feb 11th, 2005, 05:33 PM
You two crack me up. Even if I weren't a fan of Vera's I'd come in for the insults you two politely sling at each other.He's too easy to insult.
But what the heck. :D

Epigone
Feb 12th, 2005, 02:04 PM
He's too easy to insult.
But what the heck. :DInsulting me doesn't mean that you win the argument. Do you insult your college professors in papers that you write for class? :D

I did a search for news on Bepa, but can't find any :sad:. She is returning to Memphis as the defending champion, and papers there won't even write a story about her

goldenlox
Feb 12th, 2005, 02:25 PM
Here's the news on Vera. Three tournaments, no wins against anyone in the top 100.
But touring that children's hospital in Memphis will make Vera realize how lucky she is to be healthy and feeling well.
And it will re-energize her.

Epigone
Feb 12th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Here's the news on Vera. Three tournaments, no wins against anyone in the top 100.Thanks for that :wavey:, but I would like to know what is happening with regards to her tennis at this tournament
But touring that children's hospital in Memphis will make Vera realize how lucky she is to be healthy and feeling well.Bepa was just in Thailand. Martina Hingis cried because of what she saw there :sad:
And it will re-energize her.Or it could make her super-depressed :o

goldenlox
Feb 12th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Thailand is a tragedy. This children's hospital is set up to help families who can't afford the bills otherwise.
It was founded by a wealthy U.S. celebrity who wanted to give back.

At IW, maybe she'll play doubles with Elena Bovina.

As far as singles, all Vera can do is keep working, and hope the results start coming.

Epigone
Feb 12th, 2005, 02:53 PM
At IW, maybe she'll play doubles with Elena Bovina.I'm more interested about her doubles partner in Memphis. I can imagine Meghann wanting to get some doubles in, so Bepa should give her a call.

As far as singles, all Vera can do is keep working, and hope the results start coming.She has to make the results come. That means playing smart tennis, not getting flustered, and winning matches.

goldenlox
Feb 12th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I think Vera should just focus on singles in Memphis.
Doubles are for Tier II and up.

Epigone
Feb 12th, 2005, 03:13 PM
She has points to defend from the final last year. She should make an effort to defend them, especially if she can find a good partner.

goldenlox
Feb 12th, 2005, 03:17 PM
I disagree. She should go there to win singles matches.
And if she loses early, she should leave Memphis, and start training for IW.

Epigone
Feb 12th, 2005, 03:23 PM
I disagree. She should go there to win singles matches.Going to Memphis to win singles matches doesn't preclude her from playing doubles. Afterall, she managed to make both finals last year.
And if she loses early, she should leave Memphis, and start training for IW.Bepa losing early hasn't even entered my mind, and she shouldn't be making plans in that respect.

goldenlox
Feb 12th, 2005, 03:29 PM
The way Vera has been playing, there's a chance she'll be out of singles, and still be early in the doubles draw.
So NO doubles. Focus on your singles game at Tier III's.

Epigone
Feb 12th, 2005, 03:35 PM
The way Vera has been playing, there's a chance she'll be out of singles, and still be early in the doubles draw.
So NO doubles. Focus on your singles game at Tier III's.She would still be clocking up some time on court, defending her points, and earning some money. I don't see the big deal :shrug:

This poor form isn't due to injury, so it isn't as though she has to limit her time on court. IMO, the best way to get out of a slump is to play your way out. Hitting balls on a practice court doesn't simulate the pressure of competition, and pressure is what Bepa needs.

Gowza
Feb 13th, 2005, 12:45 AM
1 ZVONAREVA Vera RUS vs. PASTIKOVA Michaela CZE
BELTRAME Severine FRA vs. OSTERLOH Lilia USA
IRVIN Marissa USA vs. QUALIFIER
BONDARENKO Katerina UKR vs. 6 JIDKOVA Alina RUS

4 SUCHA Martina SVK vs. MORIGAMI Akiko JPN
MC CAIN Kelly USA vs. KRAJICEK Michaella NED
QUALIFIER vs. QUALIFIER
RUBIN Chanda USA vs. 8 LINETSKAYA Evgenia RUS

5 WASHINGTON Mashona USA vs. SPEARS Abigail USA
SERRA ZANETTI Antonella ITA vs. CHO Yoon Jeong KOR
CRAYBAS Jill USA vs. SROMOVA Hana SWE
GRANVILLE Laura USA vs. 3 SHAUGHNESSY Meghann USA

7 VAIDISOVA Nicole CZE vs. LEE-WATERS Lindsay USA
BRANDI Kristina PUR vs. QUALIFIER
KARATANTCHEVA Sesil BUL vs. NOORLANDER Seda NED
JACKSON Jamea USA vs. 2 FRAZIER Amy USA

Gowza
Feb 13th, 2005, 12:48 AM
a few up and comers in this draw with karatantcheva, vaidisova and krajicek also jamea jackson, vera wont have to play any of them until the final tho so a good chance of playing herself into some form during this tournament. pastikova may be a little dangerous as she took a set off davenport at AO but vera should be able to get thru this match.

Epigone
Feb 13th, 2005, 02:44 AM
gowza, thanks for posting the draw :)

I don't think that Bepa could have asked for anything better. Like you said, most of the dangerous kids are well away from her :D

It really sux that she is in the same quarter as Katya Bondarenko, but I hope that they will have a chance to meet in the QF. If Katya can win two matches and then lose to Bepa, it will be a job well done.

With some good play, Bepa will defend her title :yippee:

goldenlox
Feb 13th, 2005, 04:21 PM
Vera drew very well. Now she has to play well.

Epigone
Feb 13th, 2005, 04:32 PM
I just don't know if she'll start off slowly, or take control early. Does she play defensive tennis, or does she play aggressively?

It will be interesting to see how she approaches her first match here after her poor start to the season.

pav
Feb 13th, 2005, 06:27 PM
At least they have a good working live scoreboard running in Memphis :)

goldenlox
Feb 13th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Last year's Memphis final was live on the Tennis Channel.
It was one of Vera's best matches.
Raymond had championship points, but Vera won the last 5 games.

goldenlox
Feb 13th, 2005, 06:54 PM
No doubles for Vera. This is a win the singles or leave, type of tournament.

daniela86
Feb 13th, 2005, 07:26 PM
I think Vera wants to be on a roll as soon as possible,that's why she doesn't want to play doubles. She wants to be 100% concentrated on single,I think it's the right decision for the moment. :) Hope she took advantadge of her week off for practising and practising a lot to improve. Memphis must make her remember good memories :D I'm sure she is very motivated to do well here:) and :yeah: for respecting the organisators. I'm glad to see that Bepa don't forget the people who helped her, she is very loyal:yeah: :yeah: :)that's why (among a lot of other good reasons) i love her!! :cool:
Michaela Pastikova shouldn't be a problem for Bepa, but with her you never know :scared: Udachi Bepa, plz defend your title here! I'm so impatient to see you with a trophy again :D :)

Epigone
Feb 13th, 2005, 10:43 PM
I'm disappointed that Bepa won't be playing doubles in Memphis, as I don't think that it will take away from her singles play. The doubles draw isn't very difficult, so easy points were on offer. I think she is sending a signal by playing singles only, but isn't that what she did in Pattaya? :o

If she is focused, she will defend her title, and I think her chances are looking very, very good :)

Epigone
Feb 13th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Zvonareva Ready to Begin Own Streak in Memphis

MEMPHIS - One year ago, Vera Zvonareva had Lisa Raymond singing the blues after putting an end to the American's stellar run at the Region Morgan Keegan Championships & Cellular South Cup.

Now, the Russian player returns to Memphis as the top seed for the second year in a row and looking to begin her own Tennessee winning streak.

Last year, Raymond entered the Memphis final with a perfect 11-0 mark at the tournament. But after winning the first set against Zvonareva, things went sour for Raymond, who then fell in three sets to the Russian teen.

Zvonareva has done well while playing on U.S. soil, winning the title in Memphis last year and also reaching the final in Cincinnati. Now, she'll look to build on her previous good fortunes in the U.S. when she starts her run at Memphis against Michaela Pastikova in the first round.

Raymond is unable to take part in this year's event due to injury, but the draw does include three seeded Americans led by No.2 seed Amy Frazier. Frazier will face countrywoman Jamae Jackson in the first round.

No.3 seed Meghann Shaughnessy and will also entertain a first round meeting with a fellow American, Laura Granville, as will No.5 seed Mashona Washington, who will face Abigail Spears.

Other seeds in action at Memphis include No.4 Martina Sucha, No.6 Alina Jidkova, No.7 Nicole Vaidisova and No.8 Evgenia Linetskaya.link (http://www.wtatour.com/newsroom/stories/NewsArticle_6106_rx.asp)

Epigone
Feb 14th, 2005, 12:56 AM
The OOP for Monday is out, and Bepa isn't on it. That's one more day to work on her game :)

#2 seed Amy Frazier was defeated by Jamea Jackson, and Katerina Bondarenko knocked #6 seed Alina Jidkova out of Bepa's quarter of the draw (Katya, I'm so happy for you :worship: ).

Everything is falling Bepa's way, so she has to take advantage of this great opportunity. Bepa and Nadia seem to always trip over their own feet when they get a dream draw :sad:

Focus, and defend your title!!!

Epigone
Feb 14th, 2005, 03:09 AM
The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis has now published 3 articles mentioning Bepa in the past 24 hours :yeah:

Also, check out this picture from their homepage:
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/1559/mainimageb1bm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)

How cool is that???? :cool: :bigclap: :yippee: :woohoo:

Daniel
Feb 14th, 2005, 07:49 AM
Good luck :bounce: :kiss:

Epigone
Feb 14th, 2005, 09:01 AM
There is a long article on Bepa that contains a lot of stuff we already know, so I have just pulled out the quotes (source (http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/tennis/article/0,1426,MCA_1756_3544034,00.html))
"I've been playing here three years and it's always nice to come back," Zvonareva said. "Of course, it's always nice to come back and play the tournament you won.
"In juniors, I won the Orange Bowl back-to-back. Here, this is the first time I'm coming back as a defending champ on the professional circuit.""Right now, 90 percent of the time, I'm the higher-ranked player in my matches," said Zvonareva. "So players come out and they have nothing to lose against me and sometimes they play unbelievable tennis.

"They put everything into the match. It's tough for me. But it's OK, as long as I play my game. Sometimes, that's hard to do a lot of matches in a row."

Not that she yearns for the way things used to be, when she was the complete unknown. "I made my way," she said. "For me, it's more interesting to try and be at my present position.""I'm striking the ball really well," Zvonareva said. "In my ground strokes, I'm giving the ball different direction. And my serve's improved and my returns are much better.

"But attacking the ball is an important part of the game. (This tournament) is indoors and it's hard court so I will have to come in."

Her short-term goal is, as always, to win the tournament in front of her.

"If I get far in a tournament and don't win, it's kind of frustrating," she said. "A player wants to win, not just participate."

Longer-term, she'd like to improve her ranking. Even so, she won't look too far ahead. "Right now, I'm 11," she said. "So I just try to get in the top 10. We'll see if I can do it."My favourite part..."I'm striking the ball really well," Zvonareva said. "In my ground strokes, I'm giving the ball different direction. And my serve's improved and my returns are much better." :yeah:

While it's hard to know if she means that she is hitting the ball better since Thailand or what, but it's very encouraging news. If she serves well and changes the direction of the ball effectively, she will be very dangerous.

goldenlox
Feb 14th, 2005, 02:58 PM
The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis has now published 3 articles mentioning Bepa in the past 24 hours :yeah:

Also, check out this picture from their homepage:
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/1559/mainimageb1bm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)

How cool is that???? :cool: :bigclap: :yippee: :woohoo:Last year they had Sharapova to talk about.
This year, as defending champion and #1 seed, Vera is the star of the show.

Shoulderpova
Feb 14th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Go Bepa :worship::worship:

daniela86
Feb 14th, 2005, 03:21 PM
The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis has now published 3 articles mentioning Bepa in the past 24 hours :yeah:

Also, check out this picture from their homepage:
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/1559/mainimageb1bm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)

How cool is that???? :cool: :bigclap: :yippee: :woohoo:

I love when Bepa is the biggest star:hearts: :cool: :)
Hope it will make her lucky :p This interview is very promising:D Finally some goods news from Zvonareva :cool:The surface is different so she should play better,Bepa is stronger indoors than in hard, IMO (remember Philly:p)
And indeed Epi, her draw is open now, but i wonder if it's really an advantadge cuz the young players are often more dangerous than the oldies like Frazier or Jidkova, they have nothing to lose and play an unbelievable tennis like Bepa said.And Bepa is know as the one who doesn't take advantadge of her draw (Pattaya:o )But, for the moment the most important is her first match against Pastikova, we better follow one match at time :)
Hope Bepa will be focus all the match and win it! Udachii!! :yeah:

Epigone
Feb 14th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Last year they had Sharapova to talk about.
This year, as defending champion and #1 seed, Vera is the star of the show.Not exactly true. There is a Nicole Vaidisova buzz going around this year.

There has been a story about her on the tournament website for a few months, and there is an article in The Commerical Appeal entitled "The Next Superstar?"

Still, people are now talking about Bepa because of her success last year, and that's a good thing :)

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 05:12 AM
Tuesday OOP
Stadium start 10:00 AM
(5)X Malisse (BEL) vs P Kohlschreiber (GER)
L Granville (USA) vs (3)M Shaughnessy (USA) - WTA
(1)V Zvonareva (RUS) vs M Pastikova (CZE) - WTA
R Ginepri (USA) vs (WC)Z Dailey (USA)

Udachi!!! :dance:

Foot's Fingers
Feb 15th, 2005, 09:51 AM
Good Luck Vera!!!

I REALLY hope that this week will bring you smthng good
But i miss yr doubles matches

Daniel
Feb 15th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Vamos Vera :yeah:

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 12:30 PM
Here is a pic of Bepa with the Memphis 2004 trophy. The lighting is different to the one on wtatour.com

http://img211.exs.cx/img211/7540/zvonareva20042sw.jpg

Let's hope that we see a new picture this year after she defends her title :D

goldenlox
Feb 15th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Not exactly true. There is a Nicole Vaidisova buzz going around this year.

There has been a story about her on the tournament website for a few months, and there is an article in The Commerical Appeal entitled "The Next Superstar?"

Still, people are now talking about Bepa because of her success last year, and that's a good thing :)Sharapova had already been to the round of 16 at Wimbledon.
No one at all knows Nicole.

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Sharapova had already been to the round of 16 at Wimbledon.
No one at all knows Nicole.They had a picture of Nicole on the tournament homepage, and they had a story about her that quoted a number of people. That's more exposure than Bepa got prior to the tournament.

My point is that they aren't making Bepa the star of the show.

goldenlox
Feb 15th, 2005, 02:53 PM
At least people had heard of Sharapova. She had already done plenty of interviews.
Nobody, I mean NOBODY, in the U.S. knows Nicole.
Not even tennis fans.

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 03:08 PM
At least people had heard of Sharapova. She had already done plenty of interviews.
Nobody, I mean NOBODY, in the U.S. knows Nicole.
Not even tennis fans.What does that have to do with who is the star of the show this year? :confused:

The point is that Nicole was being promoted ahead of Bepa. There was a picture of Nicole leaning on the net and smiling on the tournament homepage, and her name was ahead of Bepa's name in the text on the page.

That nobody may know who she is has no bearing on who the tournament is chosing to headline the show. Based on what I saw on the website, that person is Nicole.

goldenlox
Feb 15th, 2005, 03:14 PM
The newspapers won't make Nicole the star. Because she's unknown.
Vera just has to stay in the tournament, to win.
She'll get plenty of attention.

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 03:35 PM
The newspapers won't make Nicole the star. Because she's unknown.She is tall, blonde, under 18, and playing good tennis. People will get a look at her, and she will become known.

Remember your cheesecake discussions from last year?

I have no doubt that she was being heavily used to promote the tournament.

Vera just has to stay in the tournament, to win.
She'll get plenty of attention.She won last year, but she's getting no more attention than Nicole this year...

Anyway it's 2:30am, so I'm going to catch a few hours sleep :zzz:, and then get up for Bepa's match :wavey:

goldenlox
Feb 15th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Vera's going to play her match now.

rrfnpump
Feb 15th, 2005, 06:21 PM
already wasted two break points :sad:

ys
Feb 15th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Could anyone explain why there is no byes in this tournament?

KV
Feb 15th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Don't know why no byes. But it's fairer some players will benefit from it and having a few more points on the rankings.
Vera leads 6-3 3-0

KV
Feb 15th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Vera leads 6-3 4-0

KV
Feb 15th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Vera leads 6-3 5-0

KV
Feb 15th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Vera serving for a place in the next round 6-3 *5-1

KV
Feb 15th, 2005, 07:14 PM
This time a usual convincing win into the next round. Vera comfortably went through 6-3 6-1

pav
Feb 15th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Well done Bep, I can leave Wellingbloodyton now and have a long slow overloaded drive home ,but a happy one :banana:

Gowza
Feb 15th, 2005, 08:48 PM
good win vera, good luck in the next round!

daniela86
Feb 15th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Congrats Bepa :worship: She knew what she talked about when she said she improved since pattaya:p :kiss: I'm so happy for her :) :) Good luck in round 2 tomorrow :hug: :) :bigclap:

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Her serve improves, and suddenly she is producing very nice looking scorelines :D

61% of 1st serves in, and only 1 DF is much more impressive than the sub-50% 1st serves in, and 5-10 double faults of some of her recent matches.

The only :o I can see is the 2/7 BP converted in the 1st set. I was afraid it was going to be one of those days where Bepa failed to break, and then was broken, but she never gave Pastikova a BP chance.

Normally, there are some games where it goes from from 15-30 or 30-30 to to 15-40 or 30-40, and she has to dig in and fight, but she never gave Pastikova a look in on her serve. For me, that's the most pleasing thing to see.

If her serve remains solid, she will defend her title :)

Epigone
Feb 15th, 2005, 09:49 PM
Ghetto Images has a pic of Bepa biting her racquet :rolls:

Are AirCarbon racquet frames on the WTA's anti-doping list? :D

Could everyone please keep a lookout for an un-watermarked pic so that it can be posted here? :angel:

Epigone
Feb 16th, 2005, 12:23 AM
Bepa plays Severine Beltrame in the 2nd round, after Beltrame defeated Lilia Osterloh 3-6 6-3 6-1.

Bepa played Beltrame in Charleston last year in a rather crazy match. Beltrame had broken Bepa twice and lead 1-4 :o, and then Bepa won 11 straight games to take the match 6-4 6-0 :D

Let's hope that Bepa can win in a more convincing fashion in this match :)

Epigone
Feb 16th, 2005, 04:24 AM
Wednesday, February 16, 2005
Stadium start 10:00 AM
C Saulnier (FRA) vs (Q)R Kendrick (USA)
(7)N Vaidisova (CZE) vs K Brandi (PUR)
Not before 1:00 PM
(1)V Zvonareva (RUS) vs S Beltrame (FRA)

Udachi!

Katya Bondarenko and Angela Haynes will also face off tomorrow for a chance to meet Bepa in the QF. Go Katya ;)

Shoulderpova
Feb 16th, 2005, 05:20 AM
Go Bepa :worship::worship: