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TatiAnnahølic
Feb 15th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Anna watch

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/ten/2403373

-- The rumors continue to swirl that Anna Kournikova has retired, but her April 15 exhibition at River Oaks International remains in the works. Kournikova's agent told River Oaks tournament director Van Barry that retirement will not happen anytime soon.



Kournikova is playing World Team Tennis, but since she is still recovering from a back injury, she does not plan to play WTA events until the clay court season begins. River Oaks is finalizing plans with 17-year-old American Carly Gullickson, who has tentatively agreed to play Kournikova in the exhibition match. They played each other Nov. 28 in an exhibition in Portland, Ore., during which Kournikova won the afternoon session 6-2 and lost the evening session 6-3.

Thanks to www.annaforever.de (http://www.annaforever.de) :)

ghosts
Feb 15th, 2004, 01:27 PM
I hope Anna really plays some clay-events later in the yr ;)

xcrtbckhnd
Feb 15th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Anna really needs to play an actual event sometime soon to gain any credibility back....I hope she does finally return to the tour this year.

GoDominique
Feb 15th, 2004, 01:43 PM
LOL which clay court season is he talking about ? Obviously not the US clay court events, because April 15th is during Charleston. :lol:

Pathetic.

TatiAnnahølic
Feb 15th, 2004, 02:11 PM
Obviously he's talking about the european clay season... :rolleyes:

Pathetic.

Volcana
Feb 15th, 2004, 02:21 PM
The last time Kournikova defeated a topppayer was JenniC at the 2000 Tour Championships. It's been so long since she played at a high level. And playing exos look more and more like simple paychecks, as the ads and magazine covers dwindle. I remember when four of the magazines at my local newstand had Anna K on the cover. Now none of them do, and I haven't seen her on in months and moths and months. No ads on TV either.

She's not going to recover her endorsement revenue playing exos.

goldenlox
Feb 15th, 2004, 02:51 PM
There's no rush for Anna to come back. She needs to be mentally ready to do all the work involved in a comeback.

Anna was on the Maxim cover last fall. And she's on the SI swimsuit cover now.

SerialKiller#69
Feb 15th, 2004, 02:52 PM
LOL Volcana

Anna is doing just fine. More than you and I can ever aspire of. Those endorsement revenue you're talking about are just at an arms length for Ms. Kournikova.She's the darling of tennis after all. It doesn't take much for her to get the attention she needs.

:cat: my pet cybelou is amused with you.hehe.. meow meow!

goldenlox
Feb 15th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Volcana's post is retarded. Anna beat Sugiyama in the Shanghai semis.

GoDominique
Feb 15th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Obviously he's talking about the european clay season... :rolleyes:

Pathetic.

The European clay court season starts at April 12th with a tier IV in Estoril. Why isn't she playing that one ? Why another useless exo instead ? It can't be a good idea to start her comeback at a tier II (Warsaw) or tier I (Berlin).

Of course she won't play there either. She should just come out and say that she will only play hit-and-giggle competitions from now on, then everything would be fine.

jenny161185
Feb 15th, 2004, 03:26 PM
cant wait to see her finally come back

THE NET
Feb 15th, 2004, 03:36 PM
Come back and beat top players soon.

Anna, you are the real DIVA of women tennis!! ;)

Leo_DFP
Feb 15th, 2004, 03:40 PM
I heard that Anna has been surpassed in website hits by the Arizona State softball pitcher Jennie Fitch. :eek:

Harju.
Feb 15th, 2004, 03:55 PM
Looking forward to seeing Anna play tennis again :woohoo:

raquel
Feb 15th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Good Luck Anna :bounce: I really hope she does play some tour events soon.

PatM04
Feb 15th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Well hopefully she can maybe get he to herself together and decide to come back. Good luck her

AjdeNate!
Feb 15th, 2004, 04:19 PM
She was on Good Morning America the other morning to promote the SI:Swimsuit Issue and they asked her about her comeback in March. She said "I won't comeback in March. That's the timetable that I'll actually start training again. But I don't know when I'll come back to tour."

esquímaux
Feb 15th, 2004, 04:25 PM
Geaux Anna! The exo queen :yeah:

esquímaux
Feb 15th, 2004, 04:25 PM
Obviously he's talking about the european clay season... :rolleyes:

Pathetic.
your sig is purty :)

GoDominique
Feb 17th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Oh yeah, an exhibition against Gullickson will be great preparation for proper tournaments. She's a good player and just had an off-day today, losing 0-6 0-6 to Brandi. :lol:

vogus
Feb 17th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Notice the locations where Anna has been playing her exhibitions/TeamTennis.

Portland. Kansas City. Houston. Minneapolis. In other words, provincial backwaters where the news hasn't yet arrived that she's no longer a tennis player, and she can still squeeze a little more cash out of her fame. Anna's gone small-time barnstorming. In the big markets, New York, L.A., Miami, Anna's no longer newsworthy.

A last glimmer of hope - if she really wants to come back, Anna can enter RG and Wimby maindraws on her protected ranking.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Anna and Enrique were just in 4 full pages of the New York Post.

Anna's in today's NY Post. What are you talking about, no longer newsworthy?
Have you seen the SI swimsuit issue tv commercials? Anna's the only name on the screen.
They don't name Elle Macpherson, Christie Brinkley, and the rest. Or anyone else in the commercial. Just Anna.

Hulet
Feb 17th, 2004, 06:48 PM
So, Anna is preparing to practice in March and raid the tour for her first title in April/May? This should be fun, I can't wait. :)

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Anna hasn't said when she's coming back. She might might skip the whole European season and start in the U.S.

ALPHA
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:06 PM
The last time Kournikova defeated a topppayer was JenniC at the 2000 Tour Championships.
Dementieva in February 2002 in Tokyo's Pan Pacific, Sugiyama in September 2002 in Shanghai ...

Go check your stats.

ALPHA
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Kournikova said that she does not plan to comeback BEFORE clay court season ... she did not say that she will start the comeback DURING clay court season. As goldenlox wrote, that includes comeback plans for Roland Garros, or for the grass court season ... or for the American summer hardcourt Season in late July.

GoDominique
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Or for the European indoor season in September, or for the Australian circuit in January 2005, or ...

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:21 PM
Sugiyama was ranked 24 in the world when Kournikova beat her in Shanghai. Ai did not reach the top ten until last year. Jennifer Capriati ended 2000 ranked number 14 in the world, So in terms of beating a player who was in the top ten at the time that Anna defeated her, I think you would have to look at Conchita Martinez, who Anna beat in the quarters of the year end championships and who ended 2000 ranked number five in the world. Remember that was a great year for Conchita. She reached the semifinals of the Australian and finals of the French. She won the German Open that year. She ended the year ranked number five, which was her highest ranking in 5 years when she ended 1995 ranked at number two in the world.

Anna's popularity has declined for a bit and it has occurred, ironically enough, due to the fact that Anna has not played tennis for so long. With tennis, she had a uniqueness that being without it she just doesn't have. The publicity that goldenlox is speaking about comes from having Enrique Iglesias as a boyfriend and that has not really helped her popularity all that much either. You have to remember this was a girl that, on her own and because of her tennis, actually garned tons more interest and publicity than she is currently doing so now. In Yahoo's searches, Anna is currently ranked number two. She is up 123% percent of where she was a week ago. Of course, this is thanks to the SI cover. Interestingly enough, she is not even on Lycos' top fifty searches list http://50.lycos.com/. You are right goldenlox, but you are also wrong. I can remember Anna's heyday and the type of publicity she is getting now cannot even compare to what she received at one time. Even having Enrique as a boyfriend has not helped her out that much, although it has helped keep her in the spotlight.

I read today on the Anna board that Wertheim's column this week states that Anna is in the market for a coach. If this is true, then she must be planning a return, but I cannot help but remember her comments from the Good Morning America interview where she stated that she was going to start training in March, but had no idea when she was going to return. If she skips the whole European season, wouldn't that include the clay court season, Roland Garros, the grass season and Wimbledon? If that is the case, then you are looking at July as the earliest date of return. Since Anna has stated that she is going to begin training in March, it would be foolhardy for her to wait that long to return.

Whatever she does is up to her. Ultimately, her success and failure is something that she has to live with. My only hope is that if she does comeback, that she really takes it seriously and do it for the right reasons.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:25 PM
That Lycos list is for the week ending February 7. She will be on the new list.
And Anna is clearly in no rush to come back. Look at last year. 25k's, Birmingham. This year is totally different.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:46 PM
It's one thing not to rush a comeback, but Anna has not played a match since last May and has not committed to any tournament since last June. At this time, she has not played for close to ten months. If she starts training in March, then why wait until July, yet another five months to begin playing? All the training in the world won't prepare her to play matches. She needs to get out there and play even if it is the challengers league, just to get use to playing again. There is no sense in waiting anymore. Her back has had plenty of time to rest and rehab. Either play or don't.

In terms of Anna's popularity, all I was trying to say is that her popularity is based on a lot more than her looks or boyfriend. You keep saying that Anna is still popular, but the interest has waned to a great degree because she is not playing tennis. Her popularity was based on her looks and her tennis. According to Lycos, Anna actually dropped out of the top fifty this January for the first time in 33 weeks. This happening to a celebrity whose career has been greatly defined by the internet.

BTW, I looked at the wrong date. I didn't realize that it was the February 7th list. I was looking at the date above that February 17th.

emptyhead
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:53 PM
It will be fantastic to see some fine totty back playing again soon

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:54 PM
Anna played WTT last July. Singles exhibitions last fall.
Now she says she is just starting to train in March. I don't know what her thinking is, but I will not be surprised if Anna plays WTT this summer before she enters a tournament.

As far as popularity, SI doesn't put you on their cover, bragging "We've got Anna", unless you are currently a big deal.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Anna played WTT last July. Singles exhibitions last fall.
Now she says she is just starting to train in March. I don't know what her thinking is, but I will not be surprised if Anna plays WTT this summer before she enters a tournament.

As far as popularity, SI doesn't put you on their cover, bragging "We've got Anna", unless you are currently a big deal.
I don't know what her thinking is either, but it does not make logical sense to begin training in a month and then wait five more months to begin playing.

SI bragged because Anna still appeals to the demographic that their magazine is aiming for: 18-34 year old men. OF course, these are the same guys who will sit around and say that she sucks as a tennis player, but oh, isn't she hot. That bragging has nothing to do with her current popularity. Steam was right. Anna finally agreed to do this shoot this year because she needed the publicity at this time.

vogus
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Sports Illustrated has always been a couple steps behind the times. If Anna was on the cover of ESPN magazine, then i'd agree with you. But ESPN won't touch Anna now. Goldenlox you are living in denial. Of course, Anna is a "star." But you think the fact that Anna is in the gossip pages of the NY Post and playing WTT in Kansas City means that she is still relevant in the sense of being an athlete? That is a laughably naive assertion.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Steam is not right. Octagon is doing a great job.
On the court, Anna is not steady. And her serve is a weakness.

You don't "agree" to get your name and picture on the SI swimsuit cover. Steam is an idiot if he thinks that.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:17 PM
ESPN the Magazine doesn't even sell. The SI Swimsuit issue is the big newsstand seller.

Anna played WTT three times. Philadelphia, St. Louis, and KC. If you think those are small markets, you're a jerk.

ALPHA
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Sugiyama was ranked 24 in the world when Kournikova beat her in Shanghai [...] So in terms of beating a player who was in the top ten at the time that Anna defeated her, I think you would have to look at Conchita Martinez, who Anna beat in the quarters of the year end championships and who ended 2000 ranked number five in the world. [...]

Sorry, but as you might know, Martinez is a joke Indoors, regardless of her Ranking of No.5. Contrary Sugiyama - even if not Top-10 back in automn 2002 - clearly was on a hot winning streak in automn weeks of 2002, who beat much better players than AnnaK was in these weeks.

In my eyes, the win over Sugiyama is a quality win, while the one over Martinez isn't.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Well, I'll be sure to tell Steam that. Of course, I have known him for about four years and I can tell you that Steam is one of the brightest people I have met on these boards. I will also no longer take your posts seriously since you have resorted to name calling in a simple discussion. Just because Steam disagrees with you does not make him or anyone else an idiot.

When did Anna's serve come into the conversation? I thought we were discussing her popularity and her comeback. Keep the discussion relevant.

Octagon has done a terrible job with Anna. Any fan who truly cares about her tennis will tell you that. They have always been more interesting in pimping her out to the highest bidder than helping her develop as a player. Of course, I personally blame her mom for that too.

Anna agreed to do the photo shoot this year because she needed the publicity and you are extremely naive if you think otherwise. Don't get me wrong. The photos are nice and this will create interest that hasn't been there for a while, but don't think that Anna's agency had something to do with getting her on the cover. High powered agents negotiate with editors all the time to get their stars magazine covers. It just so happens that Anna is still popular with the demographic that SI sells too. But make no mistake about why she choose to do the shoot this year.

- L i n a -
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Kick her ass again, Bruna.

vogus
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Goldenlox please take note of something that everybody else who follows tennis knows:

WTT = SMALL TIME SIDESHOW, certainly in Kansas City but in Philadelphia as well.

Your desperation is palpable - you're trying to make a case that just isn't there.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Octagon is not the reason Anna's results are what they are. She has to hit the ball. She has to focus. This blame Octagon stuff is bull.

Having your name and picture on the cover of SI's swimsuit is a very big deal. And I've seen the new tv commercials, Anna's the star of those.

- L i n a -
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:30 PM
I still stand by my prediction that Anna's doing porn in 3 years.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Sorry, but as you might know, Martinez is a joke Indoors, regardless of her Ranking of No.5. Contrary Sugiyama - even if not Top-10 back in automn 2002 - clearly was on a hot winning streak in automn weeks of 2002, who beat much better players than AnnaK was in these weeks.

In my eyes, the win over Sugiyama is a quality win, while the one over Martinez isn't.
I'm well aware that Martinez is a joke indoors. I saw that match and I think Conchita barely won two games. I thought the question was who was the last top ten player that Anna has beaten. I didn't realize the question was who was the last quality player that Anna has beaten.

Anna, if memory serves, didn't play the fall season in 2002, having sustained an ankle injury at the Kremlin Cup. Too bad, since she might have done well. However, looking at Sugiyama's results for that time period, I would argue that Ai had a better summer than fall. In the summer she beat Hantuchova in San Diego and Capriati in Los Angeles only losing to Davenport in the quarterfinals and semifinals of those events. After losing to Anna in Shanghai, Ai had a pretty bad fall season, losing to Pratt in Tokyo, Talaja in Japan and losing in the first round of Linz and Zurich.

Still, I concede the point that Anna's victory over Sugiyama was a good win. They both had good summer runs that year, so beating Ai was a good win for Anna.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:34 PM
Octagon is not the reason Anna's results are what they are. She has to hit the ball. She has to focus. This blame Octagon stuff is bull.

Having your name and picture on the cover of SI's swimsuit is a very big deal. And I've seen the new tv commercials, Anna's the star of those.
The job of an agency is not only to get you endorsement deals; they are also there to support you. Octagon has never given Anna the proper support in terms of her tennis. You are right. Anna's results are ultimately on her, but the people supporting her and making money off of her also need some blame for what has happened to her career.

I never said that having her name on the cover is not a big deal. You argued that Octagon had nothing to do with it and I argued that they did. I also argued that Anna agreed to do it because she needed the publicity this year.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:45 PM
We don't know if Octagon was involved in Solomon becoming Anna's coach. But Anna has had injuries since Moscow 2002. And she was playing well then. 12 wins in 17 matches. Two against Anna SP, Conchita, Ai, 0&1 against Alex. Then came the injuries.

vogus
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:59 PM
Denial, Denial, Denial, Denial...

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:07 PM
Denial about what? I think Anna has not played good tennis for most of the last 4 years.
You said Anna was playing small markets. You're nuts.

GoDominique
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:10 PM
Sorry goldenlox, but how can you say Anna was playing well then ? You wouldn't say that if you had seen her US Open match against Widjaja. It's still by far the worst GS performance I have EVER seen.
OK, she had some decent results before and after that, but her true state of mind only showed at the biggest event.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:12 PM
Anna was awful at the US Open. But she had results that would have raised her ranking if she stayed healthy.
Up until Wimbledon 2002, Anna wasn't winning matches.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:13 PM
Anna has not played good tennis for the last few years, which has been due to injuries and poor form. Even Anna herself has to admit that.

Playing the WTT is playing in smaller markets. If you look at the locations, these are areas where the general public never gets to see a tennis match live, so Vogus is right. The WTT is just for fun and is nothing compared to the regular tour.

GoDominique
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:17 PM
And an exhibition against unknown Gullickson isn't really big news either.

davenport_1
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:19 PM
As long as she is making money of of exhibitions it doesn't really matter. I think she is more concerned about herself and what she wants then what we want.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:19 PM
No one said that WTT is big news. But Philadelphia, St. Louis, Houston are major markets.
It's not like Anna is no longer the celebrity she was. The SI cover proves it.

callado
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:32 PM
Well I look forward to Kournikova coming back to play the part of a tennis player; however, I found her performances in the Lycos comercials to be much more convincing than anything she has done on the court. Which is saying alot.....

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 10:31 PM
No one said that WTT is big news. But Philadelphia, St. Louis, Houston are major markets.
It's not like Anna is no longer the celebrity she was. The SI cover proves it.
Actually, you are the one who keeps implying that the WTT is big news. Philly, St. Louis a not big markets in comparison to New York, LA and Miami. Again, these are regional markets that don't get much tennis exposure. The WTT is great for tennis fans in those areas, and it is great that Anna has committed to them, but you cannot even begin to compare playing matches there to playing on the main tour. I would rather see Anna play challengers and get some real match experience in, than play the WTT.

The SI cover does not prove anything. You keep bringing up gossip columns and this cover like that proves Anna is the ultimate celebrity. She is still popular to be sure, but not at the level that Anna mania once was. I don't know when you became a fan, but I can remember Anna mania in its heyday. The exposure she gets now is nothing compared to that.

All the magazine covers in the world cannot buy Anna a sense of self worth that winning matches and ultimately tournaments will bring. GL, you need to stop acting as though Anna's celebrity status can make up for what she has not achieved on the court. It will never do that.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 10:44 PM
I didn't bring up market sizes. And Philadelphia is bigger than Miami.
If you need to win matches for self worth, you will never have it.

broncosven
Feb 17th, 2004, 10:48 PM
Yah !!!!

Com Back To Aus Anna!!!!!!

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 10:48 PM
Actually, you did bring up martket sizes. Philly is not a bigger market than Miami. You've got to be kidding me about that. Just the celebrities who call Miami home make it a bigger market than Philly. Case in point, where does Anna live? Miami.

You really don't get it. Anna defines herself as an athlete, not a model. If she were a professional model, then the magazine covers would be great. But since she defines herself as an athlete, winning matches and ultimately tournaments is how she defines herself. Why else would she go back to the challenger circuit? It wasn't for fun.

A sense of self worth comes from a sense of accomplishment. Anna has some great accomplishments, but those have been a while a go. I'm sure that her confidence is probably very shaky at this point. Playing well will boost her confidence in her tennis and ultimately, give her a sense of self worth.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Anna is injured. She already has had a very good career. Thousands of pros would love to have her tennis career. As I said, she is injured. She may never play again.
All athletes have to move on at some point.

Some one else said Anna is playing small market exos. Not me. Reread page 1 if you don't believe me. And Philly is a bigger market than Miami.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:16 PM
I know that she is injured, and yes, she has had a good career, but that career will always have an asterik by it because she has never won a singles title. Yes, there are tons of players who don't, but they don't have her talent either.

As I said before, Anna is attempting a comeback. According to Wertheim, she is looking for a coach. If that is true, then she wants to have that sense of accomplishment that winning brings. If you don't understand what I mean by that by now, then there is a lot that is truly lost on you.

I am going to say this one more time. You keep bringing up the WTT exhos like they really mean something. They cannot compare to playing on the main tour. Again, those are small markets compared to the rest of the country. Tennis is played there to expose people to matches that they will never normally see. You keep saying that Philly is bigger than Miami, can you explain your rationale for that? Miami is one of the biggest cities in the country. The unofficial fifth slam of the year, the Nasdaq, is played there. In comparison, Philly is smaller than Miami in size in terms of population and has the Advanta championships, a tier 2 event which they lost for a while.

vogus
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Quote: "All the magazine covers in the world cannot buy Anna a sense of self worth that winning matches and ultimately tournaments will bring. GL, you need to stop acting as though Anna's celebrity status can make up for what she has not achieved on the court. It will never do that."

- apoet

Amen to that. But i think it's over for Anna K and tennis. The powerful inner motivation that once made her such a great player is gone. You can't win matches at a high level without it. If she somehow gets it back, to me that would be an even bigger comeback than Capriati's. But assuming she's finished, you just have to hope that she's gonna find other things that make her life meaningful and happy.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Quote: "All the magazine covers in the world cannot buy Anna a sense of self worth that winning matches and ultimately tournaments will bring. GL, you need to stop acting as though Anna's celebrity status can make up for what she has not achieved on the court. It will never do that."

- apoet

Amen to that. But i think it's over for Anna K and tennis. The powerful inner motivation that once made her such a great player is gone. You can't win matches at a high level without it. If she somehow gets it back, to me that would be an even bigger comeback than Capriati's. But assuming she's finished, you just have to hope that she's gonna find other things that make her life meaningful and happy.
I think everyone thinks its over for her because of the mixed signals from the press, her management and even Anna herself. I truly thought it was over for her when I saw that Good Morning America interview, but then I read today that she is looking for a coach. So who knows?

I'm sure that Anna will find other things that will make her life meaningful if she chooses to leave tennis. However, I get the impression with GL that magazine covers and gossip column appearances would make up for a lack of tournament wins, and I would be the first to say that they do not.

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Just because Anna is attempting a comeback doesn't mean her back will stay healthy. There are no sure things about back problems.

I don't care at all about WTT. But Anna is not running away from big cities. I think Philly is a top 5 U.S. market.

Every athlete has to move on. You want to live in the past, do it. I want Anna to enjoy the present whether she plays or not. I don't see why she shouldn't.

switz
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:41 PM
i'm no diehard anna fan and if she wasn't so bloody hot i wouldn't care less about her, but some people on this board are so obviously suffering from that disease called envy. who gives a shit if she doesn't come straight back. she probably knows she would get slaughtered if she played against anyone who can keep the ball in the court for more than one shot per rally. there is obviously a demand for her to play therefore she plays these exhibitions. i see no genuine reason to believe she is not injured and therefore see no reason why people should bitch about why she isn't coming back. the fact is that most of you are just so sad that you bag her for not coming back simply because you want to bag her performance when she does come back. why not just support your favourites and stop being such negative pricks.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:51 PM
This is my last post in this thread because clearly GL you are really misunderstand pretty much everything I have said.

I never said that Anna should live in the past. She should always live for the present and the future. And yes, she should enjoy her life. No one here is saying that she shouldn't. All I was trying to point out is that being famous is not the same as having real accomplishments. You seem to think that being famous is the most important accomplishment of Anna's life and it isn't. If you want to equate the two, then go ahead. I really don't know why that point is so difficult for you to comprehend.

No one has said that Anna is running away from competing in big cities. Where did you get that notion? All people have said and what I have said for what feels like the 9,000th time, is that the WTT is an EXHIBITION. It is not as important as a real tournament. Again, I don't understand why this point is so difficult to comprehend.

I am not going to even go into the market situation concerning Philly and Miami.

In the end, this is Anna's life and I'm sure everyone wishes her well, but being famous is not the end all and be all of her life and if it is, then that is truly sad.

supah-fly
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:52 PM
I agree with most of your posts completely APOET. Except for your last one...I don't think it is over for anna.

Vogus...You're just a hater....PERIOD!

Goldenlox, I see what you're saying about Anna's popularity, but Anna is not about that......she is an athlete like apoet said. POPULARITY DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING. I know that you are probably a huge fan of anna like I am, and you're trying to defend her status in every way...but the way you're doing it is just not the way to go. Let the magazines covers go...and focus more on her tennis, or lack there of.

This comes from one of her biggest fans you'll ever meet.
Kalo

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:55 PM
i'm no diehard anna fan and if she wasn't so bloody hot i wouldn't care less about her, but some people on this board are so obviously suffering from that disease called envy. who gives a shit if she doesn't come straight back. she probably knows she would get slaughtered if she played against anyone who can keep the ball in the court for more than one shot per rally. there is obviously a demand for her to play therefore she plays these exhibitions. i see no genuine reason to believe she is not injured and therefore see no reason why people should bitch about why she isn't coming back. the fact is that most of you are just so sad that you bag her for not coming back simply because you want to bag her performance when she does come back. why not just support your favourites and stop being such negative pricks.
Gee this is a lovely post on so many levels. Not everyone is here trying to slag off on Anna and not everyone is envious of the crap she has to deal with on a day-to-day basis. Some of us would like to see her come back and do well. Personally, I would prefer her to at least play the challenger circuit over these exhibitions that don't mean diddly, but that's just me. Remember that the people who slag on Anna, pretty much slag on every player here.

apoet29
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:56 PM
I agree with most of your posts completely APOET. Except for your last one...I don't think it is over for anna.

Vogus...You're just a hater....PERIOD!

Goldenlox, I see what you're saying about Anna's popularity, but Anna is not about that......she is an athlete like apoet said. POPULARITY DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING. I know that you are probably a huge fan of anna like I am, and you're trying to defend her status in every way...but the way you're doing it is just not the way to go. Let the magazines covers go...and focus more on her tennis, or lack there of.

This comes from one of her biggest fans you'll ever meet.
Kalo
Thank you and good night.:angel:

goldenlox
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:56 PM
If Anna plays again, I'm all about the tennis. But now, and after her career is over, the fame and fortune is a good thing to have.
I want to see her healthy and on the court.

apoet29
Feb 18th, 2004, 12:00 AM
okay, I am going to break my word on this, but I had to reply to GL's last post.

I'm glad to hear you care about the tennis, and certainly, fame and fortune is a wonderful thing to have (depending on who you ask that question to). However, the one thing that will always follow Anna around, if she retires from tennis and decides to go Hollywood, is that "loser" status. Every article I have ever read in the last year consistently points out that she has never won a title. That will follow Anna around and will affect the way people perceive her.

Good night to all.

switz
Feb 18th, 2004, 12:08 AM
Gee this is a lovely post on so many levels. Not everyone is here trying to slag off on Anna and not everyone is envious of the crap she has to deal with on a day-to-day basis. Some of us would like to see her come back and do well. Personally, I would prefer her to at least play the challenger circuit over these exhibitions that don't mean diddly, but that's just me. Remember that the people who slag on Anna, pretty much slag on every player here.

i wasn't directing that post at anyone in particularly, and not at all at you. i didn't even read the thread after the first few posts because all this stuff has been said so many times. my posts was just sparked by some of the original posts that were just so bitchy and pointless. i take the attitude that although there are players i don't like, ulitmately i don't know what they are really like, i never will, and i don't need to spend my time analysing their actions when there are so many more important things to be done. i just find it sad that these same people have the same stupid arguments over and over and over again knowing they will never reach any kind of constructive outcome.

flyingmachine
Feb 18th, 2004, 12:12 AM
Unregrandless of her exhibitions if she is not playing tennis professionally i.e. in a tour I still think she is a joke.

switz
Feb 18th, 2004, 12:15 AM
Unregrandless of her exhibitions if she is not playing tennis professionally i.e. in a tour I still think she is a joke.

she may be a joke but so is your grasp of the english langague - unregrandless ??????????????? are you sure you're british?

supah-fly
Feb 18th, 2004, 02:04 AM
flying machine......take a hike!

vogus
Feb 18th, 2004, 05:16 AM
hey little Fly i realize you're only about 13 years old but pretty soon you are going to have to learn how to talk to people properly or you are going to get laughed off the board. It's not a little kiddie 5th grade insults board here. bye bye now.

hey switz, how can you be so sure that you're not going to end up having one of these tennis players as a girlfriend who you say "you don't know what they're like and never will?" I think that would be a funny twist of fate for you.

stephanwiberg
Feb 18th, 2004, 08:25 AM
Octagon is not the reason Anna's results are what they are. She has to hit the ball. She has to focus. This blame Octagon stuff is bull.

Having your name and picture on the cover of SI's swimsuit is a very big deal. And I've seen the new tv commercials, Anna's the star of those.

What she really needs is people shutting up about her not being focused ortoo much busy with other things, i think it's more other people are more focused on her beauty or modelling then she is. That's definitely a disadvantage from being pretty, believe me i know myself!!!

Rub
Feb 18th, 2004, 09:55 AM
i wish she can get back to top level tennis! she is a JCap nemesis! :eek:

emptyhead
Feb 18th, 2004, 11:48 AM
It’s funny how people who cannot stand Anna, can’ stop talking about her.
I just wonder, do all ugly girls dislike her?

stephanwiberg
Feb 18th, 2004, 11:52 AM
i wish she can get back to top level tennis! she is a JCap nemesis! :eek:

did not know that, all of a sudden love Anna
on the other hand, practically everyone is anemesis to talia

switz
Feb 18th, 2004, 01:14 PM
hey switz, how can you be so sure that you're not going to end up having one of these tennis players as a girlfriend who you say "you don't know what they're like and never will?" I think that would be a funny twist of fate for you.

once yes i would have thought it ideal to have a tennis player as a girlfriend, but i have come to realise that they all have too many issues whether it be parents or whatever. having just ended a 3 year relationship i am at a point where i am going to be extremely selective before entering anything serious. of course i would be very open to a fling with many girls on tour