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Stefwhit
Feb 10th, 2004, 12:35 PM
The following info only takes in to account all oppenents that have played one another at least 3 times:

(Justine)
-She has the lost to Kim more than to any other player (nine times)
-She has beaten Kim more than she's beaten any other player (seven times) ...with Dementivia, Bovina, tied for second at six wins
-The player with the best win-loss record against her is Venus (1-7)
-No one has beaten her more than 3 times without her at least winning one match
-She only has a lossing record to 5 players all of whom have been number one (Venus, Serena, Monica, Lindsay, Kim)

(Serena)
-She has lost to Martina Hingis more than to any other player (six times)
-She has beaten both Jennifer and Lindsay more than any other player (nine times)
-The player with the best win/loss record against her is Aranxta Vicario (3-4)
-Only four players have ever beaten her more than 3 times (Jennifer, Hingis, Aranxta, and Venus)
-She only has a losing record to one player (Aranxta)!!!!!! ...that's amazing!!!!

(Hingis)
-She has lost to Lindsay more than to any other player (fourteen times)
-She has beaten Aranxta more thans she's beaten any other player (eighteen times)
-The player with the best win/loss ratio against her is Steffi Graf (2-7)
-Only has a lossing record against four players (Steffi, Lindsay, Karina Habsudova, Serena)

[size=+0][size=+0][font=Arial][size=2](Steffi)
-She has lost to Gabriela Sabatini more than any other player (eleven times)
-She has beaten Jana Novotna and Gabriela Sabatini beating both players (twenty nine times)
-The player with the best win/loss ration against her is Jo Durie (3-4)
-There are five players she's beaten more than ten times who never managed to beat her once (17-0 Mary Jo, 10-0 Anke Huber, 17-0 Manuela Meleeva, 11-0 Katrina Meleeva, 21-0 Natalie Tauziat)
-Only has a lossing record against one player (Jo Durie) this is over a 16 year career!!!! AMAZING!!!!!

[size=+0][size=+0][size=+0][size=+0][font=Arial][size=2](Venus)
[size=2]-She has lost to both Hingis and Lindsay more than to any other players (ten times each)
-She has beaten Lindsay more than she's beaten any one else (twelve times)
-The player with the best win/loss record agains her is Jana Novotna (1-3)
-Has a lossing record against five players (Serena, Steffi, Jana, Maggie Meleeva, Hingis)

[size=+0][size=+0][size=+0][size=+0][font=Arial][size=2](Kim)
-She has lost to both Serena and Justine more than to any other player (seven times)
-She has beaten Justine more than she's beaten any other player (nine times)
-The player with the best win/loss ratio is Serena Williams (1-7)
-Has a lossing record against only three players (Serena, Venus, Hingis)

[size=+0][size=+0][size=+0][size=+0][font=Arial][size=2](Monica)
-She has lost to Hingis more times than to any other player (fifteen times)
-She has beaten both Aranxta and Conchita (twenty times)
[size=2]-The player with the best win/loss ratio is Venus (1-9)
-There are three players Seles has beaten more than ten time without ever lossing to (10-0 Tauziat, 10-0 Ai Sugiyama, 10-0 Naoko Sawamatsu)
-Has a lossing record against five players (Lindsay, Steffi, Hingis, Serena, and Venus)

....that's enough for now- gotta go....I tried to be thorough but you're sure to find a mistake or two...

adding on...

(Lindsay)
-She has lost to Venus more than to any other player (twelve times)
-She has beaten Hingis more than any other player (fourteen times)
-The player with the best w/l ration against her is Serena (2-9)
-The only player she's beaten any player ten times or more without lossing a match is Lisa Raymond (12-0) she's really close to adding to this list (9-0 Amy Fraizer, 9-0 Dokic, 9-0 Likhotsova)
-She has lossing record against seven players (Kim, Steffi, Conchita, Gabriela Sabatini, Arantxa, Serena and Venus)

(Jennifer)
-The player she's lost to most often is Gabriela Sabatini (eleven times)
-The players she's beaten the most are both Maggie Meleeva and Mehgan S (seven times each)
-The player with the best W/L ration against her is Steffi Graf (1-10) the only win coming at the Olympics
-She has a lossing record against 13 other players (Lindsay, Steffi, Justine, Anna K, Momo, Novotna, Gabriela, Aranxta, Monica, Alexandra Stevenson, Judith Weisner, Venus and Serena)

SJW
Feb 10th, 2004, 12:38 PM
thanks for those stats! :yeah:

geoepee
Feb 10th, 2004, 12:55 PM
Thanks a lot Stefwit :)

If you ever decide to do this again, could you add Lindsay's stats? Thanks :)

Bezz
Feb 10th, 2004, 12:56 PM
I only found 1 mistake :tape: , its in kims column, where yu put kim has beaten kim nine times :) .

irma
Feb 10th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Steffi has a losing head to head to Patty S and Wendy Turnbull too. The last, together with Jo Durie are the only players who have a winning head to head with more then 1 match played.
She has a losing head to head to 8 other players too. Steffi's way to the top didn't go over roses:)

TonyP
Feb 10th, 2004, 01:14 PM
While not a mistake, your record for Justine would be more complete if you considered players who have met twice. Justine is 0-2 against Hingis, so she does have a losing record against her.

Stefwhit
Feb 10th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Steffi has a losing head to head to Patty S and Wendy Turnbull too. The last, together with Jo Durie are the only players who have a winning head to head with more then 1 match played.
She has a losing head to head to 8 other players too. Steffi's way to the top didn't go over roses:)
remember I only took into account players that have played each other 3 or more times so both Patty S and Wendy don't show up in the head to head. The reason I selected 3 or more matches is because after the third match a "true" pattern starts to form. Patty and Wendy leading Steffi is a good example of when players haven't really played enough times the H2H can be misleading (and IMO insifnificant)....

I'm pressed for time right now, but when time permits I'll add both Jenn and Lindsay (if they haven't been added by then...)

I'll edit the Kim mistake- thanks for pointing that out (it should be Justine instead of Kim). Any other mistakes let me know....

Crazy_Fool
Feb 10th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Justine is 9-9 with Kimmie
What, no she isnt.

Brαm
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:05 PM
Yes she is

1998 Ramat Hasharon 6/1 7/6
1999 Reims* 6/4 6/4
2001 Indian Wells 6/1 4/6 3/6
2001 French Open 6/2 5/7 3/6
2001 Hertogenbosch 6/4 3/6 6/3
2002 Sydney 6/7 2/6
2002 Australian Open 2/6 3/6
2002 Rome 7/5 6/2
2002 WTA Championships 2/6 1/6
2003 Sydney 2/6 3/6
2003 Antwerp 2/6 6/7
2003 Berlin 6/4 4/6 7/5
2003 French Open 6/0 6/4
2003 Hertogenbosch 7/6 0/3 ret
2003 San Diego 3/6 6/2 6/3
2003 US Open 7/5 6/1
2003 Filderstadt 7/5 4/6 2/6
2004 Australian Open 6/3 4/6 6/3
Since when do we include ITF in the head-to-head statistics? You might aswell add the Junior results + Belgian junior results too, then? :tape:

Stefwhit
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:10 PM
The H2H are regular WTA tour events, no juniors, exhibitions, Hopman Cup, or ITF...lol. So the H2H stands at 9-7 with Kim leading...

Lady
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:11 PM
Since when do we include ITF in the head-to-head statistics? You might aswell add the Junior results + Belgian junior results too, then? :tape:

I know it, but even during AO final their H2H were listed as 9-8 for Kim...
So some use ITF results, others don't. It's not like it changes something!

grmbl
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:13 PM
great stats!

bailey
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:24 PM
Since when do we include ITF in the head-to-head statistics? You might aswell add the Junior results + Belgian junior results too, then? :tape:
thanks for the fun stats! Can't believe that some people have always something to complain about.

Just make your own stats and add whatever you want...

Brαm
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Well she's 3-0 against Kim in Grand Slam finals :tape: :lol:
Really? :confused:

katrientje
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:35 PM
very interesting!! thank you!

Andy T
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:51 PM
Great stats- thanks. Why shouldn't ITF events count? They're open adult pro events like any others, just with less prize money. Slams are also ITF events...

Brαm
Feb 10th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Yeah...But it's really difficult to stay in touch with this particular stat 'cause it's changing after every Grand Slam. Not, ZERO, of course...THE ZERO IS THERE TO STAY ! :o
If that makes you happy :kiss:

Gallofa
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:01 PM
Great stats!!! thanks! :D

Btw, It's spelled Arantxa, the x goes after the t.

shap_half
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:06 PM
Last time I checked, Justine and Monica are tied up at 3-3

The Crow
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:07 PM
Thanks for this. Very interesting. :lol: @ Steffi - Nat Tauziat 21-0 :haha:

The Crow
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:09 PM
Vourine, never heard the phrase "If you don't have anything intelligent to say, shut the $*%# up!"?

UDiTY
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:14 PM
You say about Justine:
-No one has beaten her more than 3 times without her at least winning one match.

But Venus is 7-1 against her, winning the last 7 meetings.

And I swear someone posted once that one of the Maleevas beat Graf.

Anyway, thanks for the fun stats. :wavey:

Gallofa
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:24 PM
You say about Justine:
-No one has beaten her more than 3 times without her at least winning one match.

But Venus is 7-1 against her, winning the last 7 meetings.

Actually a 1-7 record fits with what Stefwhit says. No more than 3 times without her winning at least once. If I understand that right it means that she does not have a record of 4-0 or worse against anybody (5-0, 6-0, 7-0, etc... Justine has at least 1 win against everyone who has beaten her more than 3 times).

Crazy_Fool
Feb 10th, 2004, 03:33 PM
Well she's 3-0 against Kim in Grand Slam finals :tape: :lol:
And really that is all that matters.

bandabou
Feb 10th, 2004, 04:19 PM
Wow, Serena....and no one is even CLOSE to be at least even with her...so, that record is gonna be aight.

Brαm
Feb 10th, 2004, 04:24 PM
The following info only takes in to account all oppenents that have played one another at least 3 times:

(Justine)
-She only has a lossing record to 5 players all of whom have been number one (Venus, Serena, Monica, Lindsay, Kim)

She's 1-2 against Coetzer!!

Stefwhit
Feb 10th, 2004, 05:07 PM
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback!! I've got a lot of down time and work and I love stats and stuff so it was fun, but admitedly (sp?) this was done in haste- even so I'm willing to say the info is more than 95% accurate and factual... :)
Last time I checked, Justine and Monica are tied up at 3-3
Yeah, I included Fed Cup mathces so that's why it's 4-3 in favor of Monica...

Bram- "She's 1-2 against Coetzer!!"
Thanks... I'm afraid the 1-2 or 2-1 match ups are the easiest ones to miss sicne I was ingnoring the 1-0, 2-0, 1-1, etc and going for 3 or more matches, in which case I actually should have actually included Wendy Turbull who has a 2-1 edge over Graf...

I added both JCap and Lindsay....

tommystar
Feb 10th, 2004, 05:18 PM
Evert leads 2-1 against Seles.

Interesting stats although, Stefwhit! Thanks!

hingis-seles
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:09 PM
The H2H are regular WTA tour events, no juniors, exhibitions, Hopman Cup, or ITF...lol. So the H2H stands at 9-7 with Kim leading...
Then why is Venus' win over Hingis in the Grand Slam Cup counted in their head-to-head? It should be 10-8 Hingis then.

Knizzle
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Then why is Venus' win over Hingis in the Grand Slam Cup counted in their head-to-head? It should be 10-8 Hingis then.

That was a real tournament, not just an exhibition like say the Hopman. It wasn't for WTA points though.

moby
Feb 11th, 2004, 09:10 AM
correction: martina has a 5-4 record over jennifer

you can tell that steffi, serena, martina and venus are really the most dominating players of this generation in that order

schris
Feb 11th, 2004, 04:33 PM
Steffi :D

Billabong
Feb 11th, 2004, 04:39 PM
Martina is also 2-0 against Justine I think... also, I thought Serena has a losing record against Suarez and Ruano Pascual??

Thanks for the stats:)!

rjd1111
Feb 11th, 2004, 06:34 PM
The following info only takes in to account all oppenents that have played one another at least 3 times:

(Jennifer)
-The player she's lost to most often is Gabriela Sabatini (eleven times)
-The players she's beaten the most are both Maggie Meleeva and Mehgan S (seven times each)
-The player with the best W/L ration against her is Steffi Graf (1-10) the only win coming at the Olympics
-She has a lossing record against 13 other players (Lindsay, Steffi, Justine, Anna K, Momo, Novotna, Gabriela, Aranxta, Monica, Alexandra Stevenson, Judith Weisner, Venus and Serena)

The best W/L ratio belongs to Venus. Jen has never beaten Venus.

Grafiati
Feb 11th, 2004, 06:39 PM
I am sorry but the Grand Slam Cup is one of those rare events that has snuck into the statistics. Some sources include it in head-to-heads but since it had nothing to do with ranking points and everything to do with cash, I don't count it in my book... and I seem to remember reading when it came out that the official records would not count it either. It was essentially an exhibition that got a lot of press, so I do not understand how it can be considered official.

I also wonder about ITF events, as brought up earlier. It seems that these should count-as long as they aren't junior events-but then there is a lot of disparity between main draw results, qualifying results, Challengers, Satellites, and so I don't know if either tour has addressed the topic.

Info would be appreciated! :)

Stefwhit
Feb 11th, 2004, 07:07 PM
The best W/L ratio belongs to Venus. Jen has never beaten Venus.
She's 0-9 against Steffi except for the Olympics... but I guess ur right, she actually shares the same losing record against Jana as well (0-4)

I also wonder about ITF events, as brought up earlier. It seems that these should count-as long as they aren't junior events-but then there is a lot of disparity between main draw results, qualifying results, Challengers, Satellites, and so I don't know if either tour has addressed the topic.
That's true, there is a lot of disparity out there- although there must some general consensous because most stats include the same info, and disregard the same info (at least at the three sites I frequent for H2H info...)

bandabou
Feb 11th, 2004, 07:15 PM
I am sorry but the Grand Slam Cup is one of those rare events that has snuck into the statistics. Some sources include it in head-to-heads but since it had nothing to do with ranking points and everything to do with cash, I don't count it in my book... and I seem to remember reading when it came out that the official records would not count it either. It was essentially an exhibition that got a lot of press, so I do not understand how it can be considered official.

I also wonder about ITF events, as brought up earlier. It seems that these should count-as long as they aren't junior events-but then there is a lot of disparity between main draw results, qualifying results, Challengers, Satellites, and so I don't know if either tour has addressed the topic.

Info would be appreciated! :)

Stop whining...if it was your fav who would have had a winning h2h, you wouldn´t be arguing.

Martian KC
Feb 11th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Since when do we include ITF in the head-to-head statistics? You might aswell add the Junior results + Belgian junior results too, then? :tape:

If we do, Justine would be way ahead. :lol:

Brαm
Feb 11th, 2004, 08:27 PM
If we do, Justine would be way ahead. :lol:
Yeah, she would :)