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vettipooh
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:13 AM
I'm not sure .Need some info. I know Serena, Venus, Capriati, Lindsay and Kim all have defended a couple titles. To me, that makes them a well rounded player. I think, of current players, venus has defended the most titles.Don't know which ones Momo or justine have defended,if any.

-Sonic-
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:15 AM
There is also good things to say about constantly being able to win in new places and on different surfaces etc.

Rtael
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:17 AM
Justine has defended Berlin.

bandabou
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:18 AM
Yep....I think Berlin´s the only title Justine´s defended.

Kart
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Justine won how many hundreds of titles last year ?

She's got great chances of defend several of them this year the way she's improving.

Greenout
Feb 8th, 2004, 02:09 AM
This is debate isn't relative to a players greatness. The ablity to
keep winning in whatever new surface or city speaks greater than
just keep hitting those certain tournaments. Some moron on BBC
brought this up saying that Justine and Amelie suck because they
haven't truly defended a tournament. Dumb debate.

Amelie and Justine kept on winning new tournaments.

Kimiko Date only played the same tournaments every year in her
career , Natalie Tauziat too. Kimiko disliked going to Europe and
her confidence wasn't high there, so she rarely played the indoor
season. Tauziat disliked and had poor hardcourt results and kept
her tournaments based in Europe. Everyone's different.

Are they lesser or greater than the
Williams Sisters? See. Dumb debate. Typical crap arguments from
the BBC website. I'm sick of the "have your say" garbage opinions.
ok..you don't like player XXXX, who cares some people do? If you
hate them and think their rubbish, don't watch them or see them
play in tournaments. End of story.

per4ever
Feb 8th, 2004, 06:20 AM
well Justine won two tournaments in 2002...she couldn't really defend much :o She defended one (Berlin) and didn't play the other (Linz). So she did the best she can do ;)

skanky~skanketta
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:27 AM
This is debate isn't relative to a players greatness. The ablity to
keep winning in whatever new surface or city speaks greater than
just keep hitting those certain tournaments. Some moron on BBC
brought this up saying that Justine and Amelie suck because they
haven't truly defended a tournament. Dumb debate.

Amelie and Justine kept on winning new tournaments.

Kimiko Date only played the same tournaments every year in her
career , Natalie Tauziat too. Kimiko disliked going to Europe and
her confidence wasn't high there, so she rarely played the indoor
season. Tauziat disliked and had poor hardcourt results and kept
her tournaments based in Europe. Everyone's different.

Are they lesser or greater than the
Williams Sisters? See. Dumb debate. Typical crap arguments from
the BBC website. I'm sick of the "have your say" garbage opinions.
ok..you don't like player XXXX, who cares some people do? If you
hate them and think their rubbish, don't watch them or see them
play in tournaments. End of story.

what sort of idiot is this guy anyway?serena's only defended 3 - 4 titles...so i guess she sucks too huh.:rolleyes:

justine used to play at diff tournies. she won most of her titles last year, she this year will be the test.

esquímaux
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:49 AM
This is debate isn't relative to a players greatness. The ablity to
keep winning in whatever new surface or city speaks greater than
just keep hitting those certain tournaments. Some moron on BBC
brought this up saying that Justine and Amelie suck because they
haven't truly defended a tournament. Dumb debate.

Amelie and Justine kept on winning new tournaments.

Kimiko Date only played the same tournaments every year in her
career , Natalie Tauziat too. Kimiko disliked going to Europe and
her confidence wasn't high there, so she rarely played the indoor
season. Tauziat disliked and had poor hardcourt results and kept
her tournaments based in Europe. Everyone's different.

Are they lesser or greater than the Williams Sisters? See. Dumb debate. Typical crap arguments from
the BBC website. I'm sick of the "have your say" garbage opinions.
ok..you don't like player XXXX, who cares some people do? If you
hate them and think their rubbish, don't watch them or see them
play in tournaments. End of story.
Good post (to bad it won't be the end all/ be all of "crap arguents")

Fingon
Feb 8th, 2004, 08:27 AM
I don't understand how winning a tournament you have won the previous year is better than winning a tournament you haven't :confused:

especially when they don't weight how hard the draw is. Yes, some players defend titles but the fields are consistently weak, where's the merit of that?

for this idiot, it's more important to defend, let's say Filderstadt than winning the Australian Open or Wimbledon, if the player didn't win it the previous year.

I am truly amazed of the iq level of tennis commentators, I think they require to have a high level of idiocy before they can write about tennis.

Not surprised by the BBC, considering how they digged their own grave with the Blair affair, I guess intelligence and common sense is not something common there.

Greenout
Feb 8th, 2004, 08:30 AM
I don't understand how winning a tournament you have won the previous year is better than winning a tournament you haven't :confused:

especially when they don't weight how hard the draw is. Yes, some players defend titles but the fields are consistently weak, where's the merit of that?

for this idiot, it's more important to defend, let's say Filderstadt than winning the Australian Open or Wimbledon, if the player didn't win it the previous year.

I am truly amazed of the iq level of tennis commentators, I think they require to have a high level of idiocy before they can write about tennis.

Not surprised by the BBC, considering how they digged their own grave with the Blair affair, I guess intelligence and common sense is not something common there.


Just to be fair to the BBC is was brought up in their "have your
say" section for tennis. It wasn't someone who works for the at
the BBC. The majority of people who post opinions in "have your
say" are bandwagon hoppers who are foaming their mouths
at Roger, and how great men's tennis is and will always be
compared to the ladies. Oh..these were the same people that
said Henman was going to win the AO 2004, so.......

Sam L
Feb 8th, 2004, 08:41 AM
Some players defend a lot of their titles (Venus, Hingis etc...)

Some don't (Serena, Justine etc...)

It's not a measure of talent or how good you are, but I think it's rather a measure of personality.

Seriously! Those defend their titles are territorial. When they win somewhere, they like to come back again and again.

Whereas, others move on quickly. They think, well I've got this title before, maybe I can skip it and concentrate on winning somewhere I haven't won before.

Personally, I'm territorial too. I'd like to make somewhere my little backyard, and try to come back and be successful there time and time again.

hollywood7172
Feb 8th, 2004, 09:31 AM
If you
hate them and think their rubbish, don't watch them or see them
play in tournaments. End of story.
i totally agree. such a simple concept. unfortunately it seems too hard to grasp for a lot of TWA posters....sigh...:tape: :angel: :devil:

Andy T
Feb 8th, 2004, 09:45 AM
Hénin's titles:
99: Antwerp
01: Brisbane, Canberra, s'Hertogenbosch
02: German Open, Linz
03: Dubai, Hilton Head, German Open, French Open, San Diego, Canadian Open, US Open, Zurich.
04: Sydney, Australian Open.

= 1 successful defence.

Mauresmo's titles:
99: Bratislava
00: Sydney
01: Paris, Nice, Amelia Island, German Open
02: Dubai, Canadian Open
03: Warsaw, Philadelphia

= 0 successful defence.

turt
Feb 8th, 2004, 09:59 AM
Hénin's titles:
99: Antwerp
01: Brisbane, Canberra, s'Hertogenbosch
02: German Open, Linz
03: Dubai, Hilton Head, German Open, French Open, San Diego, Canadian Open, US Open, Zurich.
04: Sydney, Australian Open.

= 1 successful defence.
Actually, she didn't really have a lot of opportunitie to defend titles:
She didn't play Antwerp 2000 (injury);
She didn't play Gold Coast and Canberra in 2002 (played Sydney instead);
She didn't play Linz in 2003 (needed some rest);

So, there was Berlin and Rosmalen that she tried to defend, and she succeeded in defending Berlin (Tier I), but had a bad loss in Rosmalen 2002 (SF against Daniilidou I think).

Now, if you ask me: Will Justine defend some titles this year? I think she'll have a few good opportunities, especially on the clay season...

Andy T
Feb 8th, 2004, 10:19 AM
Actually, she didn't really have a lot of opportunitie to defend titles:
She didn't play Antwerp 2000 (injury);
She didn't play Gold Coast and Canberra in 2002 (played Sydney instead);
She didn't play Linz in 2003 (needed some rest);

So, there was Berlin and Rosmalen that she tried to defend, and she succeeded in defending Berlin (Tier I), but had a bad loss in Rosmalen 2002 (SF against Daniilidou I think).

Now, if you ask me: Will Justine defend some titles this year? I think she'll have a few good opportunities, especially on the clay season...

I think you're right, Turt. What struck me when I looked at the list was the prestige of the events she has won and the fact that she won titles on all four surfaces so early in her career.

Farina Elia Fan
Feb 8th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Silvia as won the same tournament 3 years running!

turt
Feb 8th, 2004, 12:18 PM
Actually, she didn't really have a lot of opportunitie to defend titles:
She didn't play Antwerp 2000 (injury);
She didn't play Gold Coast and Canberra in 2002 (played Sydney instead);
She didn't play Linz in 2003 (needed some rest);

So, there was Berlin and Rosmalen that she tried to defend, and she succeeded in defending Berlin (Tier I), but had a bad loss in Rosmalen 2002 (SF against Daniilidou I think).

Now, if you ask me: Will Justine defend some titles this year? I think she'll have a few good opportunities, especially on the clay season...
Little correction: In 2002 she did play Sydney, but she played Gold Coast too (def. by Venus Williams in the final)

It doesn't change my conclusions, though ;)

Experimentee
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:27 PM
Serena hasnt defended many titles, thats because she rarely plays in the same tournaments the following year. People were using that fact to say she wouldnt win every time she played a tournament she'd won the previous year, which is really stupid.

bandabou
Feb 8th, 2004, 01:36 PM
Don´t know if Justine´s gonna defend that many titles this year....during clay-season?! Good bet....but after Wimbledon?! Don´t think so....´cause don´t think the Williamses are gonna miss the summer-season again.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 8th, 2004, 04:59 PM
Don´t know if Justine´s gonna defend that many titles this year....during clay-season?! Good bet....but after Wimbledon?! Don´t think so....´cause don´t think the Williamses are gonna miss the summer-season again.


Who knows what the Williamses are going to do?....It's a pretty safe bet that they won't play all the tournaments on thier schedule though.

Knizzle
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Actually, she didn't really have a lot of opportunitie to defend titles:
She didn't play Antwerp 2000 (injury);
She didn't play Gold Coast and Canberra in 2002 (played Sydney instead);
She didn't play Linz in 2003 (needed some rest);

So, there was Berlin and Rosmalen that she tried to defend, and she succeeded in defending Berlin (Tier I), but had a bad loss in Rosmalen 2002 (SF against Daniilidou I think).

Now, if you ask me: Will Justine defend some titles this year? I think she'll have a few good opportunities, especially on the clay season...

Venus actually took her Gold Coast title from her.

turt
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:19 PM
Venus actually took her Gold Coast title from her.I said it in a second post when I realized I had made a mistake ;)

Rtael
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Venus actually took her Gold Coast title from her.
He corrected himself LONG before you made this post. (apologies to Turt if you're a female :p)

turt
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:40 PM
He corrected himself LONG before you made this post. (apologies to Turt if you're a female :p)last time I checked, I was still a male ;)

7~ŒLêV3ñ½
Feb 8th, 2004, 07:52 PM
so... I guess that the WTA needs more tournament like Antwerp to make players realise that it is important to defend your title. ms Venus defended her Wimbledon, then they named the trophy after her.
Some people may say, like winning diff titles is better than winning the same one, how about if you have won the same one for like 3 years in a row, yer like not only chasing titles but history aswell.

Knizzle
Feb 8th, 2004, 08:04 PM
He corrected himself LONG before you made this post. (apologies to Turt if you're a female :p)I didn't see it.