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LindsayRulez
Jan 24th, 2004, 10:54 PM
Last night Mary Joe Fernandez was saying that Venus "pronates" really well on her first serve. My serve sucks, I wanna pronate too!!!!

for-sure
Jan 24th, 2004, 10:55 PM
pronate (verb) : To lose often

Martian Willow
Jan 24th, 2004, 11:31 PM
It's the snap of the wrist - ie twisting the forearm as you hit the ball.

Kart
Jan 24th, 2004, 11:45 PM
If you hold your hands out in front of you, it's twisting your forearms such that you end up with your palms facing downward as opposed to supiniation which is twisting them in the opposite direction.

UDiTY
Jan 24th, 2004, 11:47 PM
It's when Venus serves her flat serve out wide on the Ad court...

I think it just means she twists her arm in a way that her palm is aimed out wide, so she can hit it flat with angle.

starr
Jan 24th, 2004, 11:49 PM
1. transitive verb turn hand palm down: to turn the hand or forearm so that the palm faces downward

2. transitive and intransitive verb rotate foot inward: to rotate the bones of the foot so that the weight is borne mainly on the inside of the foot

LindsayRulez
Jan 25th, 2004, 12:03 AM
Thank you, English majors! lol

Nan Cu
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:00 AM
1. transitive verb turn hand palm down: to turn the hand or forearm so that the palm faces downward
I play tennis and this is incorrect. Watch Serena serve, and you will see pronation.

When you hit a serve, without pronation, your palm automatically faces downwards. When you pronate, your palm faces OUTWARD, meaning to the side. I'm righthanded, so if I pronate my wrist when I serve my palm will face the right side, sort of like paddling with your hand when swimming.

LindsayRulez
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:02 AM
I play tennis and this is incorrect. Watch Serena serve, and you will see pronation.

When you hit a serve, without pronation, your palm automatically faces downwards. When you pronate, your palm faces OUTWARD, meaning to the side. I'm righthanded, so if I pronate my wrist when I serve my palm will face the right side, sort of like paddling with your hand when swimming.
This makes the most sense to me, thanks!

Nan Cu
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:15 AM
This makes the most sense to me, thanks!
:D

starr
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:24 AM
I play tennis and this is incorrect. Watch Serena serve, and you will see pronation.

When you hit a serve, without pronation, your palm automatically faces downwards. When you pronate, your palm faces OUTWARD, meaning to the side. I'm righthanded, so if I pronate my wrist when I serve my palm will face the right side, sort of like paddling with your hand when swimming.
Then perhaps people who are using pronate to mean the palm faces outward should look at the dictionary meaning of the word. :)

Nan Cu
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:28 AM
Or the people who wrote the dictionary definition should take a tennis lesson or two. :)

starr
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:32 AM
Words mean what they mean. Playing a game doesn't make it different.

Nan Cu
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Well next time you play tennis, pay conscious attention when hitting a serve and pronating, and you'll see where your palm is facing.

joegerardi
Jan 25th, 2004, 02:06 AM
Nan Cu is correct. During a serve, the heel of the hand leads first, with the thumb the lowest finger. It should be pointing towards the court behind your shoulder, and the edge of the racquet should be travelling vertically. At the moment of impact, the wrist should twist outwards so that the thumb is now pointing to the sky. That, technically, is the pronation. The momentum of the hand and arm will continue, however, and the palm of the hand will face away from the body and the bat comes downwards.

The twist is there to give a little added "snap" to the ball, increase power, and create spin. Probably the easiest player to watch for this is Pete Sampras, though truth be told, he is the best to watch for anything in a serve, as his is just about technically perfect.

..Joe

Kart
Jan 25th, 2004, 02:13 AM
Words mean what they mean. Playing a game doesn't make it different.
Exactly.

Somehow I suspect the word 'pronation' preceeded the invention of the game of tennis and not vice versa.

Mary Joe Fernandez knows what she's talking about but the choice of word is wrong.

Nan Cu
Jan 25th, 2004, 02:42 AM
Mary Joe Fernandez knows what she's talking about but the choice of word is wrong.Sometimes, but I'm sure if you saw a close-up of the particular shot she was referring to you'd see Venus palm facing away from her.

Somehow I suspect the word 'pronation' preceeded the invention of the game of tennis and not vice versa.I'm sure it did. But Starr's, and others application of it to the tennis technique was incorrect. If in the end your palm is facing downward, this would mean you're palm was facing upward before pronation. Now, who serves with an open palm. Pronation quite simply means a turning/rotation of the wrist. From a natural serving postion(downward), this would be outward, or to the side.

esquímaux
Jan 25th, 2004, 07:20 AM
These are nice pronation pics ;)

WtaTour4Ever
Jan 25th, 2004, 07:50 AM
Is this for a slice/kick etc. Can you pronate both ways ie one way for slice, the opposite direction for kick?

esquímaux
Jan 25th, 2004, 08:35 AM
Is this for a slice/kick etc. Can you pronate both ways ie one way for slice, the opposite direction for kick?

Imagine the ball is divided into quadrants (4ths)

For slice serves, contact the ball as if shearing off the top right and bottom right quadrants

For the kick (topspin) serve, contact the ball as if cutting off the top two quadrants

The ball toss is also important depending on the kind of serve you're hitting.

I've attached a picture that gives an overhead view of the correct ball toss for each serve.

WtaTour4Ever
Jan 25th, 2004, 08:58 AM
thx!!

Kart
Jan 25th, 2004, 03:10 PM
I'm sure it did. But Starr's, and others application of it to the tennis technique was incorrect. If in the end your palm is facing downward, this would mean you're palm was facing upward before pronation. Now, who serves with an open palm. Pronation quite simply means a turning/rotation of the wrist. From a natural serving postion(downward), this would be outward, or to the side.
That is true.