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VW#1
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:14 PM
And I'm serious about this. I think she first needs to go for her shots, so that when she does come to the net she doesn't get smacked in the head. She also should take a little off of her first serve so that she does not have to worry about Venus swinging away on her second serve. And most importantlyshe needs to take the opportunities she gets. A lot of the points will be out of her hands, so if she gets a break point, a lot of second serves, or venus is off she needs to take the few opportunities she gets. I think Lisa has a chance but a slight one, i say Venus wins 3 and 3

Andrew.
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:18 PM
Lisa needs to bring it on. Shew ould have to expose Venus' weaknesses, and really expose her second serve. Move in. Smack it. Then she needs to really give it all she's got, no fear. But I think Venus should win this with one easy set, and one medium type set, like a 6-2 6-4 or 6-2 7-5 thing.

CapFan#1
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:18 PM
Play the match of her life! LOL! No seriously, Lisa is a good hard court player, but not that mobile.... she nets to get to net succesfully, and hope Venus is off a bit. She needs to really take advantage of the Venus second serve...... prob. Venus wins in 2 close sets!!!

Infiniti2001
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:21 PM
But Venus's 2nd serve has been pretty impressive thus far :eek:

Foot_Fault
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:21 PM
:armed: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1#)Kill Her! :fiery: :fiery: Then Hide the Body!:devil:

Infiniti2001
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:22 PM
:armed: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1#)Kill Her! :fiery: :fiery: Then Hide the Body!:devil:

:lol: how about pulling a Nancy Kerrigan?? ;)

GoDominique
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:23 PM
Well, the last time I have seen those two play a match was at the US Open (2002?), and Venus won 6-3 6-2 or something like that. Surprisingly Lisa hardly went to the net, instead she tried to keep up with Venus from the baseline. She did that quite well, but still she will never beat Venus that way.
In her last match, she served 9 aces and went to the net 32 times. That's what she has to do today. Of course Venus will pass her, and Lisa will probably lose no matter what, but she should at least try to make the most out of her strenghts.

Kart
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:26 PM
:lol: how about pulling a Nancy Kerrigan?? ;)
She'll have to get her boyfriend to do it so she has an alibi.

Actually, maybe she can just get Martina N :tape:.

tennisfan1972
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:26 PM
Well from what i have noticed, this Rebound Ace Surface is actually hiding venus' weaknesses. Its making her kick serve bounce a lot higher and makes it less attackable. u would have to be a seles, davenport, serena, jen type returner to beat that second serve. its also giving her alot of time to set up and hit good deep forehands. I agree that Lisa should go for her shots more try to move Venus around as much as possible and mix up the spins. I would approach the net to her forehand. and definately try to keep her own errors down. but im almost afraid that Lisa will try to hit with Venus from the ground. Venus is returning too well for Lisa's serve volley game to be effective i think.

cool bird
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:30 PM
Not let Venus get in to any sort of a rhythem out on the court. If lisa has a slice back hand use it. But also she has to mix up the play. Stay back at times. I rember when Venus played Chanda at the US open Chanda done a really good job of geting to net. But the bad thing about doing it all the time is that on the big points Venus knew it was comeing. If you understand what i mean.

And the most important belive that she CAN WIN. Even if she lose the first set to love

Rub
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:49 PM
pray that venus will commit 100 unforced errors! but even then, venus could still win! :lol:

Foot_Fault
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:52 PM
:lol: how about pulling a Nancy Kerrigan?? ;)
Originally Posted by Kart
She'll have to get her boyfriend to do it so she has an alibi.

Actually, maybe she can just get Martina N :tape:.
Do you actually think she have one of those? Oh...Nav. Ok, I get it! LOL:devil: :lol: :tape:

Volcana
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:54 PM
They asked that question of an opposing caoch regarding Jim Thorpe. The answer has gone down in (american) football lore, but is quite applicable here.

"With a shotgun when (s)he comes out of the dressing room"

SerenaSlam
Jan 23rd, 2004, 11:04 PM
the most games Lisa has ever won against venus williams is 4. she basically playing her on a hardcourt, and i don't think she is going to do to well. i've seen matches where she comes in a lot against venus, and then the matches where she tries to hang on the baseline with venus. venus came up with the goods. what she needs to do is step out on court, and play her game, and hope like everyone else does when they play a williams for an off day, b/c it seems the only time venus and serena have close matches is b/ c of the maount of errors that they make. not the level of play their opponent is at.

ico4498
Jan 23rd, 2004, 11:04 PM
:lol: how about pulling a Nancy Kerrigan?? ;)
shouldn't that be a Tonya Harding?

VW#1
Jan 23rd, 2004, 11:06 PM
I don't think the spins will work against venus. i mean if raymond uses them right then she can win a few points, but over a long stretch of time I don't think it will work. That game plan works against Serena because her goal is to overpower you and she gets frustrated easily. Venus doesn't mind rallying and hitting before going for her winner, so I don't think it bothers her.

JustineTime
Jan 23rd, 2004, 11:06 PM
Become Serena. :)

Fyndh0rnElf
Jan 23rd, 2004, 11:49 PM
I don't think the spins will work against venus. i mean if raymond uses them right then she can win a few points, but over a long stretch of time I don't think it will work. That game plan works against Serena because her goal is to overpower you and she gets frustrated easily. Venus doesn't mind rallying and hitting before going for her winner, so I don't think it bothers her.

Serena overpowers everyone?YES! But so does VEnus. The problem is Serena hits angles and Venus doesn't.

Lisa the Burger has to play the match of her life in order to win :unsure: Slice a lot and take a lesson or 2 from Vera D. Yes the 17 year old should give everyone a tip on how to make Venus's power look dumb.

azza
Jan 24th, 2004, 12:04 AM
Moon balls :p

fammmmedspin
Jan 24th, 2004, 12:04 AM
1. Forget she is a nice person.

2. Play Venus's brain not her forehand. Confuse her. Smile when she hits the net or hits a UE. Keep on doing the unexpected. Towel down continually when she is serving.

3. Play the injuries and hope they return. Lots of invitations for Venus to jump in the air, reverse direction on her ankle, hit difficult overheads and bend her knees.

Lisa doesn't seem that nasty, so Venus in 2.

esquímaux
Jan 24th, 2004, 12:28 AM
Moon balls :p
Moon balling is the way to go ;)! (unfortunately, Vee will probably take those suckers out the air :eek:)

P.S. you should try it sometime :yeah:

Mase
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:09 AM
She's showing something right now...:eek:

Diya
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:11 AM
:tape:

Mase
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:12 AM
:confused:

Diya
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:14 AM
Right now the question should be ...What does Venus need to do to beat Lisa ? :devil:

LiliaLee-Frazier
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:16 AM
Right now the question should be ...What does Venus need to do to beat Lisa ? :devil:
LMAO..EXACTLY..while all of your guys are makong jokes Liza is kicking some ars :o ;)

Mase
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:17 AM
Its seems that way, lets see how many faces we can make....

;)

Mase
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:18 AM
And Amy is one game away!!!!!! :banana:

Mase
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:21 AM
Venus is fighting back......

Foot_Fault
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:48 AM
Venus is trying to hard

GoGoMaggie
Jan 24th, 2004, 01:51 AM
Yeah the thread title wrong. the subject and object should be reversed.

Bezz
Jan 24th, 2004, 02:25 AM
Whatever she had to, do she just did it!

Kart
Jan 24th, 2004, 02:26 AM
She'll have to get her boyfriend to do it so she has an alibi.

Actually, maybe she can just get Martina N :tape:.
Well I so asked for this :rolleyes:.

:bigclap: at Lisa for a spectacular performance.

:sad: for Venus, but the better player on court won today.

GoDominique
Jan 24th, 2004, 02:27 AM
Well, the last time I have seen those two play a match was at the US Open (2002?), and Venus won 6-3 6-2 or something like that. Surprisingly Lisa hardly went to the net, instead she tried to keep up with Venus from the baseline. She did that quite well, but still she will never beat Venus that way.
In her last match, she served 9 aces and went to the net 32 times. That's what she has to do today. Of course Venus will pass her, and Lisa will probably lose no matter what, but she should at least try to make the most out of her strenghts.
OMG I was soooo wrong. Lisa DID play from the baseline but how ! OMG HOW !!!

fammmmedspin
Jan 24th, 2004, 02:27 AM
Whatever she did do.:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

People have come close before taking advantage of the ue but she actually kept on going for Venus with a ton of power and variety which worked despite all those aces whizzing by.

Fyndh0rnElf
Jan 24th, 2004, 02:30 AM
Well from what i have noticed, this Rebound Ace Surface is actually hiding venus' weaknesses. Its making her kick serve bounce a lot higher and makes it less attackable. u would have to be a seles, davenport, serena, jen type returner to beat that second serve.

:haha: ROTFLMAO Lisa ate Venus's 2nd serve

starr
Jan 24th, 2004, 02:31 AM
1. Forget she is a nice person.

2. Play Venus's brain not her forehand. Confuse her. Smile when she hits the net or hits a UE. Keep on doing the unexpected. Towel down continually when she is serving.

3. Play the injuries and hope they return. Lots of invitations for Venus to jump in the air, reverse direction on her ankle, hit difficult overheads and bend her knees.

Lisa doesn't seem that nasty, so Venus in 2.
It was nice of you to have faxed that game plan to Lisa.

:)