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Kiwi_Boy
Dec 28th, 2003, 07:36 PM
Once again the blatantly RACIST regime (of extremist islamists) never fails to amaze me in Iran. Not even in the name of humanity, when the Iranian people and nation are enduring great suffering and litterally need as much help as posible to save LIFE, will they (the regime) let their petty blantantley racist views desist. And when will they quit using the term "Zionist state" and start using what they really mean..."Jewish State"?
Help is help: who the hell is a nation like Iran to turn it down? Let alone any nation who's people are in need.


This article from Ha'aretz:

Two-thirds of Bam residents believed dead in earthquake

By News Agencies

Iran accepts help from entire world, except Israel

International rescue workers hacked desperately through flattened debris for survivors and cemeteries overflowed in Iran's ancient Silk Road city of Bam yesterday. A pre-dawn earthquake razed the historic heart of the fortress city on Friday and killed at least 20,000 people. Rescue officials said the figure could rise to 40,000, or 65-70 percent of Bam's population.

Twenty people were pulled from the ruins after being located amid the rubble by sniffer dogs provided by the Iranian army or European donors, the official news agency IRNA reported. Thousands were believed to lie buried amid the ruins and the race has been on to rescue them as night-time temperatures plummeted below zero degrees Celsius.

Israel sent its condolences "to the Iranian people," Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said yesterday. "With all the conflict of opinions, at these moments the international community should work together to assist the families of the dead and injured," he said

Jahanbakhsh Khanjani, a spokesman for Iran's Interior Ministry, yesterday said Iran would accept aid from all countries in the world except Israel. The announcement came after foreign correspondents in Jerusalem reported that unofficial Israeli sources were considering sending aid to Iran

"The Islamic Republic of Iran accepts all kinds of humanitarian aid from all countries and international organizations with the exception of the Zionist regime," Khanjani said

The United States is sending government and civilian emergency workers and 150,000 pounds of medical supplies to help Iran, the White House said yesterday.

"The U.S. government is currently working with Iranian authorities, the United Nations and the International Red Cross and Red Crescent to rapidly deploy humanitarian assistance to the people of Iran following yesterday's devastating earthquake in Bam," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The U.S. States will send medical response teams from Boston, Los Angeles and Virginia and disaster experts from government agencies, the spokesman said. The U.S. military will deliver medical supplies from bases in Kuwait, said McClellan, who was with President George Bush at his ranch.

U.S. assistance to Iran is also complicated by the diplomatic chill between the two countries. However, at least one American tourist was killed and another seriously injured in the earthquake, the State Department said. They were visiting the city's 2,000-year-old citadel.

U.S. State Department spokesman Lou Fintor said the injured American has been hospitalized in Tehran: "The injuries are serious but do not appear to be life threatening." The Swiss Embassy is aiding the American in the absence of U.S. diplomatic ties with Iran.

Interior Minister Abdolvahed Mousavi-Lari said hordes of homeless survivors would be in tents by last night. But witnesses said that as night fell, many people were sleeping in the open .

President Mohammad Khatami admitted Iran could not cope on its own. From China to South Africa, Europe to Australia, nations reacted swiftly to send rescue workers, doctors, tents and cash to help deal with what appeared to be the world's most lethal earthquake in at least 10 years.

The quake measured 6.3 on the Richter scale and struck when many people were at home asleep. Some 30,000 people were also injured, state television said. Khatami appealed to Iranians on television to send aid.

"Everyone is doing their best to help, but the disaster is so huge that I believe no matter how much is done, we cannot meet the people's expectations," he said.

The provincial governor said rescuers were desperate for diggers and bulldozers to clear tonnes of rubble. Witnesses said Bam's cemeteries were overflowing with fully-clothed corpses. The stench of death pervaded the streets and the International Red Crescent has advised people to wear gloves and face masks because of fears of an epidemic.

Fatemeh, 35, was burying her two children. "I am burying myself in this grave," she said. Taher, 50, was inconsolable, sobbing "wake up, wake up" to the body of his teenage son Farzad.

About 70 percent of Bam, a popular tourist spot 1,000 km southeast of the capital Tehran with its historic citadel and other centuries-old buildings, was leveled.

Exhausted, dust-covered rescue worker Omid Alipour said his team had dug out only three injured survivors during the night.

"We don't have anything, just our bare hands," he said.

Reporters said roads to the 120,000 or so people in the quake-stricken outlying villages had been cut by the force of the tremors but some aid workers were setting out on foot.

Local officials said about 600 prisoners were on the run in the town after their jail collapsed. Witnesses said hundreds of bodies had already been tipped into broad trenches hollowed out by mechanical diggers. Bam airport has been converted into a sprawling, makeshift hospital.

A large part of the ancient citadel was destroyed, the provincial governor said. It had sprawling fortifications, towers, stables and a mosque. It was the city's main tourist attraction.

On the old Silk Road route between China and Europe, Bam had been a stopover for merchants and travelers for centuries. "The city of Bam must be built from scratch," said its governor Ali Shafiee.

Lord Chips
Dec 28th, 2003, 07:39 PM
Well stuff them then. Doubt this will get much of a mention in the general media though.

Theres low, 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of crap and then theres Iran

Rothes
Dec 28th, 2003, 08:21 PM
fuck them then! even when you are able to put aside your differences in the face of tragedy, these racist motherfuckers can't even see beyond their own hatreds of jews in order to accept sincere and honest help.

they don't want our help? good. fuck them and all their dead!

of course...none of the leftists who read this will see how israel still tries. we can't fucking do right by any of these assholes!

Get enough Sleep Brianna :)

It is a shame when a nation tries to put it's differences aside for the cause of humanatarian efforts, it's a shame how naivity does get in the way of something that is deemed to be good. And I Agree to your sentiments Brianna. :D Have a Good day, I'm of to sleep!

Lord Chips
Dec 28th, 2003, 08:21 PM
The other stupid thing is, the money saved will probably go to the IDF now...

DD, any chance you could log on MSN?

Kiwi_Boy
Dec 28th, 2003, 08:33 PM
I dont really want to hear that DD!
Yes, fuck the leaders of the regime, Yes fuck those who believe the bullshit that they are fed (and know the truth), but for the sake of Ha Shem, Bless the ignorant (who WOULD see differently if given the chance yet halted from doing so by the veil of extremist islam) and bless the children who dont even know what politics is and never will as they lay dead beneath the rubble.

Kiwi_Boy
Dec 28th, 2003, 08:43 PM
(I would take help from a country called "the shinto republic of nudist elves who practice beastiality" if i was in such dire need!-and like hell i would recognise that!)

Kumquat....great word, i have a new favourite.

bracey
Dec 28th, 2003, 08:46 PM
Screw the fuckers. No wonder they're on the axis of evil.

*JR*
Dec 28th, 2003, 08:58 PM
I believe the elected government of Pres. Khatami would behave differently. But the hardliners (led by Ayatollah Khamenei, the Supreme Leader) control foreign affairs, the military, and the police. It's a shame that the many have to suffer because of the few. :sad:

Cassius
Dec 28th, 2003, 11:28 PM
I agree with Jolly Roger.
Doubtless the people of Bam would accept help from anyone at this moment, but they are prevented from doing so.
Don't judge all the citizens of a country just by it's governments actions.

Rothes
Dec 29th, 2003, 01:58 AM
Don't judge all the citizens of a country just by it's governments actions.

As much as that could be the case in other Islamic Societys, there would be a very small percentage of citezins in Iran itself that would look the other way from what the majority think, You could weaken your statment such as that to Qatar or the UAE, even Egypt but looking into a fundamentalist country such as Iran or even the troubles with Palestine it's of no use.

Iran is foundated on strict Rule, Sharia?? I forget the name but it's alot harder then say some provinces in Nigeria. From the news you would of seen what some policies are enforced, such as that of Television, Radio, Homosexuality, Dressing, Stealing etc, it would defintly be a tough environment and country to live in, extremely tough,

Along with Sharia, and even todays modern views, One of their policies/goals is to Hate Jews and Kill them, now this isn't documented, but it has been said by Ayatollah himself, Just watching A Doucmentary which was situated in Tehran, The Capital there was a Mass Anti Jewish Rally, They had the Isralei Flag Burning on numerous occasions, Mock Hassidic Dummies being torched alight on sticks, Little Girls and Boys as young as 6 and 7 saying Kill the Jews, Jews are Bad Slaughter them all.

This coming from people as young as 6/7 saying this, shown the way and no other or persecution to the Jews and anything defying these views usually result in harsh discipline and even death??

It's probably not best to judge all citezins, we would then be stereotyping, but it's safe to say that the large majority, the predominant population, saying over 98 % Hate and despise Jews.

starr
Dec 29th, 2003, 02:04 AM
Hmmmmmm

I guess if I thought that the people of a nation could express sentiments such as "fuck their dead" I might not want them in my country either.

It's no skin off Israel's nose if Iran doesn't want their help. It might be humorous or eyebrow raising, but I can't see that it's a need for a rant. And particularly not a rant against poor innocent people who are suffering a great tragedy.

Rothes
Dec 29th, 2003, 02:12 AM
Hmmmmmm

I guess if I thought that the people of a nation could express sentiments such as "fuck their dead" I might not want them in my country either.

It's no skin off Israel's nose if Iran doesn't want their help. It might be humorous or eyebrow raising, but I can't see that it's a need for a rant. And particularly not a rant against poor innocent people who are suffering a great tragedy.

Theres a time and a place starr where differences can be set aside for humanatarian efforts and Internationally can work together on a Natural Disaster such as This, Iran showed no remorse and did show their Prejudices and persecution against Israel especially when they need all the help they can get, even from a country who they are not in good terms with.

Israel wasn't probably going to give Iran any Humanatarian Aid anyway, but it still doesn't dismiss what they said.

I don't think DD meant to say it harshly, Maybe it was more out of common shock, We are all saddened or sad for the families of Iran generally, but in the case of Politics Iran pushed itself further away from Israel, perhaps not a genuine good move to make.

starr
Dec 29th, 2003, 02:14 AM
"Fuck their dead" was not meant harshly? OK.

I guess I live in another world.

Rothes
Dec 29th, 2003, 02:16 AM
Well I don't know, even in typing Some people say things which they don't necessacerily mean in full force, though I can see where Bri is coming from, being Jewish herself obviously.

starr
Dec 29th, 2003, 02:46 AM
I could see where people were comming from when they cheered the collapse of the World Trade Center.

That didn't mean I thought it was right.

*JR*
Dec 29th, 2003, 02:59 AM
It's probably not best to judge all citezins, we would then be stereotyping, but it's safe to say that the large majority, the predominant population, saying over 98 % Hate and despise Jews.
Sorry, "Out of Context". Yes, there are such demonstrations. And many ppl in Iran who feel that way, given the size of the population. But its a very young population (in '02, reported as half 15 or younger) who mostly want to westernize as much as they can get away with.

They've seen the dark side of fundamentalism, heard about it from parents, etc. The rabblerousers you cite also burn American flags, but our soccer team was very warmly received there (early this year?). In Egypt, where the gov't has clamped a lid on such anger for years, the hatred of the US and Israel is FAR more widespread.

Rothes
Dec 29th, 2003, 03:09 AM
The Iranians love their soccer, And they do give a warm reception when Teams come to play them.

Ted of Teds Tennis
Dec 29th, 2003, 03:15 AM
I just read an interesting article on Kol Israel's Farsi-language service to Iran (http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.12.26/news2.html).

Ted of Teds Tennis
Dec 29th, 2003, 03:16 AM
Kiwi Boy wrote:
(I would take help from a country called "the shinto republic of nudist elves who practice beastiality" if i was in such dire need!-and like hell i would recognise that!)

What do you have against Shinto nudist elves? :devil:

Rothes
Dec 29th, 2003, 07:51 AM
Sorry, "Out of Context". Yes, there are such demonstrations. And many ppl in Iran who feel that way, given the size of the population. But its a very young population (in '02, reported as half 15 or younger) who mostly want to westernize as much as they can get away with.

They've seen the dark side of fundamentalism, heard about it from parents, etc. The rabblerousers you cite also burn American flags, but our soccer team was very warmly received there (early this year?). In Egypt, where the gov't has clamped a lid on such anger for years, the hatred of the US and Israel is FAR more widespread.

It doesn't matter about age JR, Hate is still Hate at any age, Place a Jew in the school with people these ages in Iran and what is likley to happen? Persecution, Beatings and probably even death/Murder, Though in real circumstances I wouldn't expect an Iranian School to let a Jewish Child into their school, Not even in the country, Let along a Jewish Child attending an Ultra Islamic School anyway. Children a bought up with these implications and are taught to hate what they have been taught.

i-girl
Dec 29th, 2003, 07:56 AM
actually, starr, people here were quite disappointed our offer of help was turned down. we're not losing any sleep over it, that's true, but we thought we were "rising above conflict" in offering our help, in a time of real need, and were saddened to see that those sentiments were not being returned.
there's been a lot of coverage of this tragedy here, and people are shocked at the vast numbers of casualties. an entire region- wiped out... conflict or no conflict, that's an awful thing to happen. apparently though, Iran is the one not sufficiently shocked by the tragedy, as they still found the energy for pettiness. too bad, Israel is a leader in "disaster area" rescue. we're always helping Turkey after earthquakes.

Lord Chips
Dec 29th, 2003, 08:35 AM
there's been a lot of coverage of this tragedy here, and people are shocked at the vast numbers of casualties. an entire region- wiped out... conflict or no conflict, that's an awful thing to happen. apparently though, Iran is the one not sufficiently shocked by the tragedy, as they still found the energy for pettiness. too bad, Israel is a leader in "disaster area" rescue. we're always helping Turkey after earthquakes.
I have to agree with Noga on this. I was in Israel this week for a total of 58 hours and in that short time you could see how people felt about the earthquake.

Israeli rescuers lead the way with earthquake recoveries, on occasions rescuing people stuck for 4-8 days under rubble. Israel chose to rise above the current political feelings and now thousands of Iranians will die because their government can't be bothered to do the same. It's a shame these people will die but if Iran is going to throw Israel's help back in their face, can you blame Israeli's and Jews for being angry?

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 29th, 2003, 09:39 AM
It's amazing how well those former enemies Greece and Turkey get along these days, partly because of their humane responses to natural disasters in each other's countries. That's the kind of good that can sometimes come out of these terrible events. Obviously not this time, though.

Andromeda
Dec 29th, 2003, 01:30 PM
Apparently, although Iran does not accept assistance from the state of Israel, it does accept help from Israeli NGOs. I just heard that on Pacifica Radio.

starr
Dec 29th, 2003, 01:35 PM
actually, starr, people here were quite disappointed our offer of help was turned down. we're not losing any sleep over it, that's true, but we thought we were "rising above conflict" in offering our help, in a time of real need, and were saddened to see that those sentiments were not being returned.
there's been a lot of coverage of this tragedy here, and people are shocked at the vast numbers of casualties. an entire region- wiped out... conflict or no conflict, that's an awful thing to happen. apparently though, Iran is the one not sufficiently shocked by the tragedy, as they still found the energy for pettiness. too bad, Israel is a leader in "disaster area" rescue. we're always helping Turkey after earthquakes.

Sure, I understand being taken aback or saddened. But that's a long way from saying "fuck their dead."

Yeah, I've been following the story closely because I am interested in earthquakes in general. The destruction and loss of life are incredible. Iran is accepting help this time unlike 1990, even dogs. I think that is a good thing. The survivors are going to need so much. the whole city needs to be rebuilt.

It seems strange to me that in the face of this awful disaster, what is focused on here is that Iran refused Israeli help. Maybe it's a big deal to Israelis but it seem a small blip when compared to the destruction and sorrow in Bam.

Experimentee
Dec 29th, 2003, 01:46 PM
Hmmmmmm

I guess if I thought that the people of a nation could express sentiments such as "fuck their dead" I might not want them in my country either.

It's no skin off Israel's nose if Iran doesn't want their help. It might be humorous or eyebrow raising, but I can't see that it's a need for a rant. And particularly not a rant against poor innocent people who are suffering a great tragedy.

I agree with this. I thought that was an incredibly insensitive statement after such a tragedy. Just because they wont accept help from their enemy doesnt mean we should care about them less. I think if the people involved were given a choice themselves they would accept all the help.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 29th, 2003, 08:57 PM
True, but it was hardly sensitive of the Iranian government to use this as yet another opportunity to take a shot at the "Zionist regime".

*JR*
Dec 29th, 2003, 09:34 PM
Apparently, although Iran does not accept assistance from the state of Israel, it does accept help from Israeli NGOs. I just heard that on Pacifica Radio.
Especially ungrateful, considering that an Israeli arms dealer was Ollie North's "partner" in trans-shipping arms (and spare parts for tanks, etc.) to Iran during its 1980's war against Iraq! (And hi to Noga, hope you had a Happy Chanakuh :kiss: ).