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ys
Dec 27th, 2003, 05:15 AM
Do you think people will achieve immortality? If yes, how soon?

Of course, by "immortality" I mean that people won't have to die, not highlander-like crap.

GBFH
Dec 27th, 2003, 05:59 AM
i'd only want to live forever if i got to stay in my 20s for all eternity. otherwise? no way.

and i think sensible people would agree.

do i think THAT will happen? nope.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:03 AM
yeah i agree, immortality would suck unless you stayed in in ur 20's forever. i dont think it will happen.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:04 AM
but i dont know nuthin so u prob shouldnt listen to me lol

GBFH
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:15 AM
but i dont know nuthin so u prob shouldnt listen to me lol

oh, what BS :p

i agree with you, that seems very unlikely to happen...unless you choose to be cryogenically frozen at 25...with instructions to be unthawed in 1,000 years. that's the only way i think my kind of immortality can be accomplished...

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:41 AM
Easy to see that you guys are in your 20s. I plan to still be in damn good shape when I reach 55. If Arnie can do it, so can I. If I could stop there it would be okay. There's nothing wrong with grey hair and reading glasses.

After that, it'll be a bit worrisome though.

The perfect age is actually about 30 to 35. I felt much better at 32 than at 22.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:45 AM
actually im only 18, turn 19 in march. so im not in my 20's, there are a few people ive known that have aged quite a bit between the age of 25 and 28 actually. 25 they were hot as but 28 although they were still very beautiful they had aged a lot. im am a very physical person, i exercise a lot and do a lot of sport, i couldnt imagine living forever without being able to play high level sport. it's going to be tough enough in my 30's dealing with the fact that i can no longer perform at the level i did in my early/mid 20's.

GBFH
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:53 AM
Easy to see that you guys are in your 20s. I plan to still be in damn good shape when I reach 55. If Arnie can do it, so can I. If I could stop there it would be okay. There's nothing wrong with grey hair and reading glasses.

After that, it'll be a bit worrisome though.

The perfect age is actually about 30 to 35. I felt much better at 32 than at 22.

yeah, but arnold's a multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-millionaire times fifty, and can afford the best health care on the planet...and he's already had major heart surgery. so i find it a bit hard to believe he would share your sentiments. and if the vast amounts of plastic surgery some older people have is any indication...i'm sure they'd all love to stay in their 20s.

i can't even imagine being 50 years old. that seems beyond death to me.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 27th, 2003, 06:59 AM
You're in trouble then, gowza, coz 35 is the maximum you can get to and still be in really top shape for sport. You can be very fit and strong for another 20 years after that, but the speed and reflexes just do start to lose their edge at 35 even if you've avoided injuries and done everything else right. As I've often said, Ali should have stopped boxing then; he should never have tried to go on for another five years.

OTOH, people don't have to let themselves go. I know what you mean about some people deteriorating by the time they are 28, but it doesn't have to be like that. You can keep in almost as good shape and being almost as active in your 40s, as Navratilova is showing. I'm hoping that the baby generation will prove you can even do it in your 50s, since that age awaits us all.

Then again, real old age will get us all eventually. What are you going to do in your 70s and 80s, by which time you'll start to become frail, no matter how hard you try to work out, eat healthily etc? Sport can't sustain a whole lifetime, immortality or not.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:05 AM
well im injury prone and have had so many injuries already, now i just say stuff it and play through the pain because physio and that sort of stuff never helps. im in physical pain everyday already whether i play sport or not and ive been told that between 1-10 yrs my big toes will fuse and ill have to get metal shanks put in (watever they are). i know im in trouble believe me i know. thats why next year im prob going to go for everything and try to play a few pro tennis matches. apparently ive got the talent and am almost at that level, i am a coach now and i only first ever picked up a racket january this year.

when im in my 70s or 80s well i cant believe being 50 either so dont ask me about my 70s and 80s lol.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:06 AM
yeah, but arnold's a multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-millionaire times fifty, and can afford the best health care on the planet...and he's already had major heart surgery. so i find it a bit hard to believe he would share your sentiments. and if the vast amounts of plastic surgery some older people have is any indication...i'm sure they'd all love to stay in their 20s.

i can't even imagine being 50 years old. that seems beyond death to me.

I'll tell you when I get there. As for Arnie, remember he was already well into his 30s, probably closer to 40, when he did the first Terminator movie. You exaggerate the horrors of reaching that kind of age. As I said to gowza, the only problem is that you can't play sport at the very highest level after about 35 coz your reflexes lose some sharpness and the legs slow down a bit.

The plastic surgery issue is real, though. Men can still be considered attractive with a few wrinkles. Women labour under the strain of being considered unattractive if they don't look youthful. Accordingly, you can be in fantastic shape at 47 like Martina N, but no one will consider you attractive unless a surgeon has resculpted your face to make you look 20 years younger. (Not that Martina N is a great example, since she was never a beauty, exactly. :D )

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:10 AM
next year im prob going to go for everything and try to play a few pro tennis matches. apparently ive got the talent and am almost at that level, i am a coach now and i only first ever picked up a racket january this year.



Good for you! All the best with it. Just remember there's life after whatever point you have to stop at.

GBFH
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:14 AM
I'll tell you when I get there. As for Arnie, remember he was already well into his 30s, probably closer to 40, when he did the first Terminator movie. You exaggerate the horrors of reaching that kind of age. As I said to gowza, the only problem is that you can't play sport at the very highest level after about 35 coz your reflexes lose some sharpness and the legs slow down a bit.

The plastic surgery issue is real, though. Men can still be considered attractive with a few wrinkles. Women labour under the strain of being considered unattractive if they don't look youthful. Accordingly, you can be in fantastic shape at 47 like Martina N, but no one will consider you attractive unless a surgeon has resculpted your face to make you look 20 years younger. (Not that Martina N is a great example, since she was never a beauty, exactly. :D )

lol, i know i do. it just seems sooooooooo far away....i don't worry about you, though. you have the best attitude.

ironically enough...the surgery can make you look even worse than what would happen naturally. just look at mary tyler moore or joan rivers for examples. my aunt's closing in on 60...and i swear, my mom's side of the family has the greatest genes, since she doesn't look a day over 40. same with my mom...she's 51, and looks about 35. and she's outside all of the time, and has smoked like a chimney since she was a teenager.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:14 AM
yeah, the only prob i have is that i didnt plan on doing this tennis stuff for a few more years, atm im more into the music stuff, writing songs and trying to better my voice (which is at a stand still atm coz ive had a couple of throat conditions the last month which still arent better. im not allowed to talk for 2 weeks and i have to see a specialist - keep in mind this is no talking for 2 weeks after already partially resting my voice for a month so the signs arent that great but i should get over it eventually).

GBFH
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:15 AM
geez, man! you're only 18 and already have all of these health probs? :eek:

GBFH
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:16 AM
erm, what i meant to say is....speedy recovery. and good luck with the tennis!!!!!! :)

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:19 AM
have you guys heard of Cosima De Vito from Australian Idol? an xmas song that she helped produce and that she sang (when she was 22 so 5 years ago) has been uploaded to her yahoo group, site address:

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/cosimadevito/

just go to the files section and you will find the file down the bottom of the page, it is worth joining up to the group just to hear this song even if you do remove your membership as soon as you have heard the song. promote Cosima i say, im good friends with her sister, they are truly bneautiful people. Cosima's nodules have cleared and she is ready to WOW the world so if you could listen to the song and help promote it i would appreciate it a lot!

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:29 AM
Okay, gowza, I'll watch out for her.

Getting back to the original topic. I guess I'd be happen to live indefinitely if I could stop at any age when I remained physically robust and still had all my mental faculties. Becoming frail and slowing down mentally do frighten me but they are a long way away for me and even further away for you guys.

It'll be interesting to see how I feel about this when I am old enough that those things have started to happen. I'd guess that I'd still want to go on. The only thing that would make me think death was preferable - I think - would be having lost the relationships that sustain me, and perhaps no longer having sufficient mental powers to do interesting work.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:32 AM
well the physical loss scares me the most more than the mental. i already think of death and ill prob be thinking it then to. sorry for sudden change of subject lol.

Gowza
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:42 AM
u can call me Xan btw

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:54 AM
Okay Xan. I don't like to use my real name on boards like this (even though I've posted some pics in the past). Most people here call me "joui" from my old username.

Anyway, it's really the mental part that scares me. That's partly because I've never been that great at sport, though I have done a bit of bodybuilding and can be as vain as most when I know I'm in good shape.

All the same, I think I could even stand some kind of disabling injury if my mind was intact. I don't exactly *like* the thought of being physically disabled, but if I could no longer think as well as I do now, that would really seem to be a loss of part of the essential me. The thought of slowing down in my mental and creative faculties some time down the track is...well, partly scary, but more frustrating. I'd like to be able to go on like this forever.

Kart
Dec 27th, 2003, 07:56 AM
No.

King Satan
Dec 27th, 2003, 09:54 AM
i will achieve immortality by releasing the greatest album in da history of da mankind! :yeah:

XMan
Dec 27th, 2003, 10:03 AM
Our brain is nothing more than a giant neural network (including transmitters) and contains a finite amount of information. If we can copy this information and emulate on another system (e.g. a bionic man) then we may have a way to create immortality as long as the information is not lost.

Colin B
Dec 27th, 2003, 12:33 PM
Immortality is not only impossible, it isn't even desirable. Apart from the physical problems, imagine the effect on world population!

Also, I have to agree (for the second time today) with Joui: if I was going to live forever, I'd rather be in my thirties. :)

Experimentee
Dec 27th, 2003, 03:57 PM
I cant imagine a way that immortality could ever be achieved. I think as science grows, peoples lifespans will continue to get longer, but never to the point where no one will die.
And I'd imagine not many poeple would want to live forever, me included. I'd hate to live for an infinite number of years in an old and frail body, not being able to do anything much.

ys
Dec 27th, 2003, 04:09 PM
I am convinced that within 2-3 generations medical science will advance enough to make some sort of immortality possible. Basically, all of our organs are based on quite simple physical and chemical processes. We are already capable of some primitive replacement of some organs ( heart, kidneys ), so it is just a matter of time before we will be able to replace anything, except for brain, of course. But even then, the problem of aging of brain is caused by deteriorating of other organs, especially blood vessels, which will be easily replaceable/repairable in the nearest future. Genetic advances will provide for natural substitutions for those organs, perhaps.

It is not that simple with the brain though.

Fat Frog
Dec 28th, 2003, 07:58 PM
no

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 28th, 2003, 10:30 PM
A lot of scientists etc do think that we can extend the human maximum lifespan, though - maybe to about 150.

We've never succeeded in extending the maximum. More people are dying old, rather than young, so the average life span has gone up, but not the maximum.

Right now, the longest can you can live without getting frail is about 80 years.

The longest anyone has ever managed to hang on is about 120 years.

90-100 is what you can hope to live if absolutely everything goes right for you, but you'll be increasingly frail from 80 on (anyone who lives that long will probably have managed to stay robust through the 70s). A lot of people who are in their 40s or younger will manage this because nutrition, etc, are so much better these days (if you're middle class, etc, etc).

If we could get to 150, and be fairly robust until near the end, I reckon that would be pretty good. For complicated reasons, I'm not worried about overpopulation. But I'd need to write a very long post about world demographic trends to explain why.

decemberlove
Dec 28th, 2003, 10:45 PM
at 21, i have aches and pains already. i wouldnt mind being stuck at this age forever if i was a vampire. otherwise, no thanks. im not afraid of death. i play with the idea of past lives anyway.

Sam L
Dec 28th, 2003, 10:55 PM
Immortality cannot be achieved. It's the nature of mankind (and indeed all things) to decay and die one day. However, we can prolong life and live a healthier life well into old age.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:25 AM
Easy to see that you guys are in your 20s. I plan to still be in damn good shape when I reach 55. If Arnie can do it, so can I. If I could stop there it would be okay. There's nothing wrong with grey hair and reading glasses.

After that, it'll be a bit worrisome though.

The perfect age is actually about 30 to 35. I felt much better at 32 than at 22.

I was going to say essentially the same thing, though from atotally different perspective...

I'm 21, and I certainly don't want to stay like I am forever. Yikes! 35 I think would be a nice age to get frozen at. At that point I'll likely have personal and financial stability. I'll be a Hell of a lot smarter too. I still have lots of growing up to do ;)

Crazy Canuck
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:27 AM
actually im only 18, turn 19 in march. so im not in my 20's, there are a few people ive known that have aged quite a bit between the age of 25 and 28 actually. 25 they were hot as but 28 although they were still very beautiful they had aged a lot. im am a very physical person, i exercise a lot and do a lot of sport, i couldnt imagine living forever without being able to play high level sport. it's going to be tough enough in my 30's dealing with the fact that i can no longer perform at the level i did in my early/mid 20's.

Your values change. Things that were important to you at 18 won't necessarily be so when you are 30. If they are, they might be important in different ways.

Why is everybody so scared of getting "old"? To the point that "30" is consider "old"? :confused:

Yikes.

GBFH
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:28 AM
^^ thought you were born grown-up, rebecca.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:31 AM
I don't even consider 50 "old". Age is just a number. Some people are "old" at 25. Some people never truly grow old.

A great example of this is a close family friend of mine. She split up with her husband of 20 years in the past few years. Since then she's stopped drinking, dropped 40 pounds, changed careers, and is happier than I've ever seen her. She's 55, yet hasn't been this young in years.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:31 AM
^^ thought you were born grown-up, rebecca.
Nobody is :p I just got to grow up a bit faster than some, that's all ;) Even then, I still have a long ways to go.

GBFH
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:32 AM
Nobody is :p I just got to grow up a bit faster than some, that's all ;) Even then, I still have a long ways to go.

nope. not true. you were born grown up. that's all.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:35 AM
to answer the question i don't think so but to get to some in here- what is so great about the 20's besides the physical aspect?? I'm still in my 20's, latter stages but I have to agree that besides the physical aspect of 20's that our society holds in high regards, i would prefer older ages- in your twenties you are confused, full of angst, not sure of yourself, i can go on and on (its generalization but most people in this age group would agree if they are honest) but i guess most of you teens and early 20-somethings, think you know it all anyway, so I can see how you think its the best age to be stuck at :p
I agree :p

This is why I'd like to get to say, 35, and "stop" ... and even then, only if I HAD to pick an age to "stop" at.

Aging is growing... it's also going to happen whether we want it to or not... so you might as well embrace it as opposed to reverse it ;)

starr
Dec 29th, 2003, 05:40 AM
All I can say is that if immortality becomes a reality for many, we're going to have a hell of an overpopulation problem.