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CondiLicious
Dec 22nd, 2003, 07:51 PM
Did anyone in the UK see this show on BBC2 yesterday? It was so sickening seeing those two angelic looking girls singing those songs... And there mother was just :eek: Everyone knows Tom Metzger is a twat so that was to be expected but... I don't know how Louis kept it together! I love Louis Theroux. He's adorable :hearts:

Here's an article I found on it:

Louis And The Nazis
by Faye Wertheimer - Dec 18
If film director Stuart Cabb had let slip his Jewish identity whilst making Louis Theroux's latest film, 'Louis & the Nazis', all hell could have broken loose. 'Befriending' some of America's most notorious neo-Nazis was integral to Theroux's anti-racist exploits and so Stuart followed him into three sets of US white supremacists‘ homes. But the film, despite it’s controversial and emotive content , is by no means all doom and gloom but an insight into a surreal, distorted and nightmarish world.

There's April Gaede, racist mother of Lamb and Lynx, the beautiful 11 year old mascots and star-performers at a 400-strong neo-Nazi rally. Down in Fallbrook, there's renowned racial agitator Tom Metzger, 60 upon whom 'American History X's' central character is based. And thirdly, there's a hardcore, low -income skinhead couple, who are convinced Theroux is Jewish-which he is not--and simply itching to kick off!

35-year-old Stuart says:

These people do still exist in society and we show them for what they really are--dangerous people with an unnecessary and foolish ideology. They took this publicity knowing we'd offer them intelligent debate. Doing so was disturbing, painful and embarrassing but they had to be heard out for our case to be built up. Shouting them down after every racist comment would teach us nothing. Louis dislikes confrontation.

For him to seriously challenge their views, the racists had to reveal themselves in their true light, appearing as real people, not as two dimensional stereotypes--and their initial mistrust had to be diffused.

So during the seven months' project, we formed relationships with them. And perversely, except for the skinheads, we actually found neutral ground for getting along together-- till the inevitable antisemitic or generally racist statement popped out.

Our contributors’ sickening credo is blatant. The skinheads' home, garage and Xmas tree are festooned in swastikas. Adorable as they are, Lamb and Lynx are indoctrinated. They recite Hitler’s grace in German and, oblivious to any possible offence it might give, play hopscotch round a swastika on the kitchen floor. And Tom, charismatic as he may be, is nonetheless a bankrupt , paying off a $12 million fine for inciting the racial murder of an African.

In 12 years of directing, I've never faced a situation so central to the core of what I am. Culturally, I'm a very middle-of-the-road Jew who instinctively nips any racist remarks in the bud. Having to remain passive as venom poured out two feet from my camera lens every day became very depressing. It was difficult enough on day one of filming to stomach that Holocaust Revisionists' nonsense without letting out what I really thought of them . But by day eight, it became unbearable.

The drip, drip drip of hateful, exhausting rhetoric got to us all. My soundman, Louis and I often had nightmares. We’d worry how'd we get through the next day's work as in Fallbrook, there was little opportunity to let off steam. The restaurants shut at 7pm and our crappy hotel had no water and non-functional toilets.

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I’d constantly question what I was doing. OK. I feared the skinheads’ potential violence, so keeping quiet about being Jewish in their presence made sense - although it was Louis they suspected, not me. However, lying about my religion to 11 year old girls - was that really why I got into television? Part of me acknowledged this was fascinating footage and revelatory film-making but it was hard retaining my dignity and professionalism without spilling the beans. And the truth would mean the end of the film.

On location, I rang home less often than usual and was pretty unsociable whenever back here. Even a month after wrapping , the film affected me . In cafes I’d find myself noticing which customers were mixed race, Chinese or Asian - just like those racists. Yet I was back in the world where not everyone was full of hatred and where it was clear there were many good reasons to be alive.

Overall, the experience has rekindled my interest in being Jewish and clarified how many people want to put us down and get rid of us - without even knowing us. So whilst editing the footage - and wincing at every piece of diatribe - half of me felt like including only the least anti-semitic remarks, whilst the other half wanted the worst. But why dilute it? If we're showing horror on screen, let’s play to its extreme and see how warped these people’s beliefs really are.

I know the programme will disturb those I care about. I'm sensitive about my family watching it as it's not their kind of film, so I‘ll watch it with them. They’ll worry when they realise I was there, filming what they're hearing and seeing - I never mentioned the topic to my mother till I was home for good. My father fought in the Second World War and saw many friends die, so the idea of his son anywhere near a swastika, never mind amidst 400 skinheads at a Nazi rally will surprise if not shock him, too.

I don't regret making this film but it's given me a helluva hard year. Maybe I'll tackle the subject in time to come but meanwhile, I'll just enjoy being Jewish - openly.

Halardfan
Dec 22nd, 2003, 10:49 PM
Seeing the people in the programme, it reaffirmed my worries over so-called free speech...I suppose that at the extremes I don't believe in it...seeing those people saluting, parading the swastiki...I don't beleive they have the right to do it...they should have the right to rot in a jail somewhere, nothing more.

The woman featured should not be allowed to pollute her kids that way.

I usually find Louis' shows fascinating, last nights was no exception.

DunkMachine
Dec 22nd, 2003, 11:54 PM
Seeing the people in the programme, it reaffirmed my worries over so-called free speech...I suppose that at the extremes I don't believe in it...seeing those people saluting, parading the swastiki...I don't beleive they have the right to do it...

I understand your anger towards these individuals. However it is important that frustrated people have some sort of outlet in order to contain their rage. If forced to bottle up whatever rage one mite have it is more likely he will snap and take it out on others by spraying bullets from a rooftop or blowing up busstops etc..

I'd rather know what horrible things these people think than live in a fake racial utopia. It's like the late Martin Luther King said that dialogue is always preferable to monologue.

Kart
Dec 23rd, 2003, 12:29 AM
I watched this as well - I'm not a fan of Louis Theroux particularly but he did well here :yeah:.

That woman with the twins was ridiculous in her hypocrisy. She really did herself no favours in this documentary. I feel really really sorry for her children being raised and used in the way they were - they really weren't mature enough to understand what was going on.

Metzger was another hypocrite in the way he preached about Mexicans yet repaired their TVs and went to Mexico. He just came across as having no credibility - particularly with that lame publicist of his.

Those skinheads were frightening though, as was the way Metzger opened his speech at that rally.

I could really feel the fear of the people making the documentary, I'm not surprised they had nightmares.

A very brave piece of work :worship:.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 23rd, 2003, 01:14 AM
The trouble is, if you lock up Nazis, take away their kids, or suppress their free speech, who is next? Without strong principles that these things are not done to anybody, none of us are safe unless we conform, conform, conform.

Actually, there are some circumstances where I would restrict hate speech. But we have to be very careful how we do this and to "fence it off" as an exception.

If Nazis cannot be safe in bringing up their kids (much as I totally abominate the thought that kids are being brainwashed into Nazism), expressing their views etc, a lot of other people who are much "nicer" will also be in danger.

Gays, advocates of gay rights, atheists....we'd all be in trouble.

Having to put up with freedoms for Nazis is the downside of these freedoms. But freedom only for those who are considered nice is useless. In the end, we'd be back to the 1950s. Only total conformists would have any practical freedom at all.

Lord Chips
Dec 23rd, 2003, 08:36 AM
Shot all Nazi's. They are the lowest form of vermin around

(and before people say I'm out of order for saying that they should have tried being 11-years-old, short on breath running from school to the nearest station to get away from these bastads)

Halardfan
Dec 23rd, 2003, 02:17 PM
I think even "free speech" or "freedom of expression" must have its limits...there are things in a sane society that must be beyond these limits...most of what appeared in that documentry was.

I don't believe that clamping down on these people should impact in any way on the rights of the vast majority of us...

The woman bringing up her kids to be a fascist pop duet(!) (whom, as she said, their fellow far-right nuts could drool over once they turned 16)...well its simply child abuse...making her kids as insane and repellent as she is. Take the kids away, throw her in jail.

DunkMachine
Dec 23rd, 2003, 06:07 PM
It's part of the nazi ideology that women are nothing more than baby making machines. Then again nazy bitches are so :retard: that that's all they're really good for.

CondiLicious
Dec 23rd, 2003, 10:26 PM
The woman bringing up her kids to be a fascist pop duet(!) (whom, as she said, their fellow far-right nuts could drool over once they turned 16)...well its simply child abuse...making her kids as insane and repellent as she is. Take the kids away, throw her in jail.

That lady was scary. It just goes to show that you never truly know what goes on behind closed doors. Lamb and Linx's friends dont know that they sing racist songs in their spare time... They don't know that their friends mother is a nazi. But you know... she was brought up to be like that by that crazy dad of her. 30 years ago she was probably in the same position and her twin kids and we would have felt sorry for her too.

I think that it was one of Louis most fascinating shows... even better than the one where he spent the summer in a Nevada brothel :tape: