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Hot 92 Jamz
Dec 22nd, 2003, 09:31 AM
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Braxton, Brandy, Monica, etc tried but it’s Beyonce who becomes the new Diana Ross

With millions in album sales, Grammys, more than a half-dozen hit singles, a blockbuster movie and A-list endorsements, it's hard to imagine how Beyonce’s star could get much brighter.

Yet with the release of her debut cd "Dangerously in Love" last summer — Beyonce’s first solo disc apart from the megagroup Destiny's Child — the 21-year-old is moving into a celebrity stratosphere so luminous even she's a bit nervous about it. It is a level of crossover stardom not seen by an African-American female singer since Diana Ross left The Supremes in the early 70’s.

In terms of sales and critical praise, Whitney Houston had a fantastic debut herself in 1984 but she didn’t create the media frenzy that has followed Beyonce in the past year.

Toni Braxton, Brandy, Monica and the late Aaliyah all had crossover chart success at various times and were MTV-friendly but none of them had a hit that was an international smash like “Crazy In Love” nor could they sizzle in live performances the way Beyonce has in 2003.

You really have to go back to Diana Ross to find an African-American female singer who generates as much buzz as Beyonce.

"It's getting worse," says Beyonce in her husky, Southern-accented voice. "Sometimes, the more movies I do and the more TV shows that I do, the more people obviously know me, and after the L'Oreal commercial — after all these wonderful opportunities, people recognize me more, so it's harder for me to go anywhere," she says.

"It takes getting used to, everywhere you go somewhere, you have to sign autographs or look a certain way to get pictures."

She' even became a one-named wonder: she simply uses the name Beyonce (pronounced BEE-yon-SAY) now.

"I think she's become the superstar that we all expected she would be," says Rick Krim, a vice president of VH1, which featured Beyonce on its recent "Divas" concert; her powerhouse performance of the ballad "Dangerously in Love" brought down the house.

Krim says Beyonce is reaching the level of a Jennifer Lopez, whose celebrity cuts across several different genres, including film and music.

"When you combine the musical talents and the success, you can spread that success to other movies," he says. "I think it just broadens your appeal and takes you to a whole another level."

Beyonce's stardom has long eclipsed that of her two group mates, Michelle Williams and Kelly Rowland. Still, she insists that her solo career is just a brief diversion in the juggernaut that has become Destiny's Child, one of the most successful girl groups of all time. Their hits include the songs "Survivor," "Independent Women, Part I," and "Bootylicious," which gave the world a new way to describe a sexy, curvaceous woman.

"I'm going to do another Destiny's Child album, regardless if I sell no-million, one million, five million or however million," she says. "The only way I won't do it unless Destiny's Child is no longer friends — no other reason, but because I love them and I love being in the group."

While Beyonce says the material on her solo album is in part based on her own life, she remains mum on her romance with rapper Jay-Z.

"It's easier if you don't talk about it. I mean, people can say what they want. I'm not trying to deny anything — or confirm anything," she says. "I just want to feel like I've got something (private)."

With the focus getting even tighter on Beyonce, that may be a difficult task to keep up. But she'll keep trying.

"Those little things are important to me, and it's very important that I don't get so big that I can't do anything anymore," she says. "That's kind of a scary thing."

Rocketta
Dec 22nd, 2003, 12:33 PM
Well I hope she doesn't turn into an alcoholic b^tch like Diana Ross....;)

Kart
Dec 22nd, 2003, 12:45 PM
There is only one Diana Ross.

jrm
Dec 22nd, 2003, 04:31 PM
How come people still call Diana Ross a star? She hasn't had any success in last two decades!

S-T-E-V-E
Dec 22nd, 2003, 04:44 PM
Doesn't she touching every girl she saw on their boobs? ;)

I mean Diana Ross ;)

Shuji Shuriken
Dec 22nd, 2003, 07:17 PM
Don't expect Brandy to go the stripping way anytime soon. And if memory serves me correctly, The Boy Is Mine was #1 longer than Crazy In Love. Brandy is every bit as talented, but she is a very quiet individual. The only reason Brandy didn't blow up more was because she kinda gave up on her music for acting for quite a while :). Doing Cinderella, Double Platinum, I Still Know What You Did Last Summer...not mentioning the hit show Moesha :hearts:. People need to stop comparing these people. They are individuals :mad:. I love you Bran :hearts: :kiss:

Miss Thang
Dec 22nd, 2003, 09:23 PM
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I aint feelin that pink thing around her wrist. It don't match with her otufit. :shrug:

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Miss Bee look good like that with a fro! :cool:

Braxton, Brandy, Monica, etc tried but it’s Beyonce who becomes the new Diana Ross

With millions in album sales, Grammys, more than a half-dozen hit singles, a blockbuster movie and A-list endorsements, it's hard to imagine how Beyonce’s star could get much brighter.

Yet with the release of her debut cd "Dangerously in Love" last summer — Beyonce’s first solo disc apart from the megagroup Destiny's Child — the 21-year-old is moving into a celebrity stratosphere so luminous even she's a bit nervous about it. It is a level of crossover stardom not seen by an African-American female singer since Diana Ross left The Supremes in the early 70’s.

I don't cosign cuz Miss Whitney blew up back in the day. They sayin here "crossover" and Miss Whitney done crossed over to the point where brotha's and sista's was hatin on her corn ass songs that she was puttin out.

In terms of sales and critical praise, Whitney Houston had a fantastic debut herself in 1984 but she didn’t create the media frenzy that has followed Beyonce in the past year.

Like I said Miss Whitney wa sellin mad a;lbums and havin mad hits and this was all o the pop chart. What Miss Bee is doin today aint new cuz both Miss Whitney and Miss Janet had mad "crossover" hits way way back in the day.

Toni Braxton, Brandy, Monica and the late Aaliyah all had crossover chart success at various times and were MTV-friendly but none of them had a hit that was an international smash like “Crazy In Love” nor could they sizzle in live performances the way Beyonce has in 2003.

I cosign with that cuz Miss Bee know how to shake that ass and she can sing. The thing is Miss Toni, Miss Brandy and Miss Monica rolled in a diffrent way than Miss Bee so it aint fair to compare like that.

You really have to go back to Diana Ross to find an African-American female singer who generates as much buzz as Beyonce.

Miss Bee (I aint hatin) is lucky cuz she out there at a time where RNB and hip hop is the ish. If this was 10 year ago Miss bee wouldnt even be blowin up like she did.

"It's getting worse," says Beyonce in her husky, Southern-accented voice. "Sometimes, the more movies I do and the more TV shows that I do, the more people obviously know me, and after the L'Oreal commercial — after all these wonderful opportunities, people recognize me more, so it's harder for me to go anywhere," she says.

"It takes getting used to, everywhere you go somewhere, you have to sign autographs or look a certain way to get pictures."

She' even became a one-named wonder: she simply uses the name Beyonce (pronounced BEE-yon-SAY) now.

"I think she's become the superstar that we all expected she would be," says Rick Krim, a vice president of VH1, which featured Beyonce on its recent "Divas" concert; her powerhouse performance of the ballad "Dangerously in Love" brought down the house.

Krim says Beyonce is reaching the level of a Jennifer Lopez, whose celebrity cuts across several different genres, including film and music.

"When you combine the musical talents and the success, you can spread that success to other movies," he says. "I think it just broadens your appeal and takes you to a whole another level."

Beyonce's stardom has long eclipsed that of her two group mates, Michelle Williams and Kelly Rowland. Still, she insists that her solo career is just a brief diversion in the juggernaut that has become Destiny's Child, one of the most successful girl groups of all time. Their hits include the songs "Survivor," "Independent Women, Part I," and "Bootylicious," which gave the world a new way to describe a sexy, curvaceous woman.

"I'm going to do another Destiny's Child album, regardless if I sell no-million, one million, five million or however million," she says. "The only way I won't do it unless Destiny's Child is no longer friends — no other reason, but because I love them and I love being in the group."

While Beyonce says the material on her solo album is in part based on her own life, she remains mum on her romance with rapper Jay-Z.

"It's easier if you don't talk about it. I mean, people can say what they want. I'm not trying to deny anything — or confirm anything," she says. "I just want to feel like I've got something (private)."

With the focus getting even tighter on Beyonce, that may be a difficult task to keep up. But she'll keep trying.

"Those little things are important to me, and it's very important that I don't get so big that I can't do anything anymore," she says. "That's kind of a scary thing."

It's all good. Miss Bee is workin it and aint nobody can take that way from her. :)

harloo
Dec 23rd, 2003, 01:57 AM
I love Beyonce, but she will never have the vocals like Whitney or Toni. She can sing well, but you cannot even compare her voice with the two because they are in a league of their own. And anyone with ears can hear the difference.

Also Toni never was "MTV Friendly". NEVER! Brandy and Monica were MTV friendly, and had huge hits. But the writer is correct when they say she is big for an r&b artist. Beyonce is a great all around entertainer, she can sing good(not great), she can dance great, and she's a great performer. :)

skanky~skanketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 02:52 AM
well. the first night by monica, if memory serve me right, held the longest position at #1 in the billboards. AAMOF, the song that held the position longest before that was the boy is mine.

aaliyah may not have created as much of a buzz but in a time when hip hop was just becoming in, she DID come up with an international smash which IMO is better than crazy in love. TRY AGAIN people was just as big a hit. and she's a MUCH better actress than beyonce. and she can most definitely dance better. MUCH better. beyonce is lucky she got famous due to destiny's child. even then her stupid manager placed too much attention on her just cuz she was the daughter. kelly is the best singer of the three.

but props to beyonce cuz she did extensive research for crazy in love. she studied the olden music and fused them all together and came out witha terrific product.

King Satan
Dec 23rd, 2003, 02:53 AM
:drool:

skanky~skanketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 02:55 AM
joe!

King Satan
Dec 23rd, 2003, 02:56 AM
vero! :drool::hearts:

harloo
Dec 23rd, 2003, 03:24 AM
well. the first night by monica, if memory serve me right, held the longest position at #1 in the billboards. AAMOF, the song that held the position longest before that was the boy is mine.

aaliyah may not have created as much of a buzz but in a time when hip hop was just becoming in, she DID come up with an international smash which IMO is better than crazy in love. TRY AGAIN people was just as big a hit. and she's a MUCH better actress than beyonce. and she can most definitely dance better. MUCH better. beyonce is lucky she got famous due to destiny's child. even then her stupid manager placed too much attention on her just cuz she was the daughter. kelly is the best singer of the three.

but props to beyonce cuz she did extensive research for crazy in love. she studied the olden music and fused them all together and came out witha terrific product.


I have to agree with you about Aaliyah. IMO, Aaliyah never reached her pinnacle because she was less steamy and more mysterious. I think in POP you have to have men shouting you out as the,"ONE" that they want. The most beautiful, the most desirable woman, and that's the level Beyonce is on now.

Aaliyah was not the best singer, but she was a great performer, actress, dancer, and all around role model. She kept something to the imagination, and she was interesting . Very pretty and you never heard any diva moments ,but Aaliyah did not command male attention, neither did she seek it which seems to be a formula in the music industry that they willingly embrace.

Beyonce is great, but I'm being realistic. I wouldn't mind hooking up with B though. ;) :)

jbone_0307
Dec 23rd, 2003, 03:29 AM
I have to agree with you about Aaliyah. IMO, Aaliyah never reached her pinnacle because she was less steamy and more mysterious. I think in POP you have to have men shouting you out as the,"ONE" that they want. The most beautiful, the most desirable woman, and that's the level Beyonce is on now.

Aaliyah was not the best singer, but she was a great performer, actress, dancer, and all around role model. She kept something to the imagination, and she was interesting . Very pretty and you never heard any diva moments ,but Aaliyah did not command male attention, neither did she seek it which seems to be a formula in the music industry that they willingly embrace.

Beyonce is great, but I'm being realistic. I wouldn't mind hooking up with B though. ;) :)


UGHHHH I HATE YOU!!!! j/k You took the words right out of me!! I couldn't agree anymore because Aaliyah was more toned down and wasn't do hochi mamma dances and didn't need male attention to become sucessfull.

skanky~skanketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 03:31 AM
yeah. beyonce relies heavily on sex...selling her body that is.

Couver
Dec 23rd, 2003, 04:20 AM
Well her success isn't due to her being more talented than any of the other artists listed in the article. IMO they are all equally talented.

I just think she was marketed better, and she had Destiny's Child as a starting point. The others began solo. With the exception of Toni Braxton who was in a group with her sisters.

I will give Beyonce credit though, because she has a better business sense than Brandy et al and is far more shrewed. She plays the sweet nice girl bit well, but she's a total shark!

skanky~skanketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 06:04 AM
i still dont get why everyone is saying that crazy in love is bigger than all the stars' mentioned hits. i mean, is it cuz of the novelty?i mean, unbreak my heart is a better song IMO than crazy in love. lyrically sound too.so is have you ever by brandy. these songs have all acheived mega chart success. just as much success as CIL. its unfair to compare them cuz ballads vs hip-hop just cant be compared. think bee can belt out a few proper ballads?it'll flop for sure cuz if she dont shake her ass its just not worth it. even in DC. remember emotions?it was the best song but these was no ass shaking whatsoever and it didnt do too well in the charts. look at bootylicious on the other hand.

jd4eva
Dec 23rd, 2003, 06:37 AM
VCR: Have you heard Beyonce perform Dangerously In Love?

jd4eva
Dec 23rd, 2003, 06:39 AM
I think you understate the whole argument between ballads and faster songs as chart toppers.

Its probably due to the fact that most people like their music to be light and fun, it's most enjoyable when one wants to relax and have fun. Ballads are usually involving more difficult situations and thus aren't as fun. No one wants to be depressed.

jd4eva
Dec 23rd, 2003, 06:42 AM
luna moonstone: your argument that beyonce is successful today because she had destinys child as a starting point makes no sense.

first of all, you fail to acknowledge that destinys child had to build their success. they didn't simply achieve fame for doing nothing and with the comparison between groups who make it and don't, those girls earnt rather than were simply handed their place.

secondly being in a successful group doesn't necessarily equate to solo success. in fact, it might be a detriment because people are so accustomed to the group as a whole and may not find any sort of identification as a solo artist.

the spice girls, which were bigger than destinys child, are the perfect example of this.

Shuji Shuriken
Dec 23rd, 2003, 07:52 AM
luna moonstone: your argument that beyonce is successful today because she had destinys child as a starting point makes no sense.

first of all, you fail to acknowledge that destinys child had to build their success. they didn't simply achieve fame for doing nothing and with the comparison between groups who make it and don't, those girls earnt rather than were simply handed their place.

secondly being in a successful group doesn't necessarily equate to solo success. in fact, it might be a detriment because people are so accustomed to the group as a whole and may not find any sort of identification as a solo artist.

the spice girls, which were bigger than destinys child, are the perfect example of this.
I agree with you that Destiny's Child had to build their career. And I'm not saying she's not talented. The girl can sing. But you're mistaken if you think her DC3 role didn't help her become so huge as a solo star. The girl was pushed as "leader" of the Destiny's Child from day one by poppa Knowles. Why is it that she had TWO solo songs on the Survivor album? Brown Eyes was effectively solo, as was Dangerously In Love (title song to her current album). I'm telling you Destiny's Child is just being fazed out, because B is more or less a "Solo Star" now, a la Solange (where is she by the way...poor child had a horrible debut :lol: )

jd4eva
Dec 23rd, 2003, 08:18 AM
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you Scorpios.

It would be foolish and ignorant of me to say that Destinys Child did not in some way lend to her massive success right now. I do wish to stress, however, that there are other variables involved with the success of a solo artist.

Being a part of a successful group doesn't necessarily equate to solo success.

danra
Dec 23rd, 2003, 09:23 AM
well, imho, being the 'new diana ross' isn't a good thing...

1) diana ross, she of the huge ego, insisting on the name change to Diana Ross & The Supremes, will it soon be Beyonce & Destiny's Child???

2) diana ross then leaves the Supremes behind, they lose fans, diana ross does nothing to help them and doesn't speak to the former bandmates for ages, and Supremes generally go downhill

3) when Florence from The Supremes dies (years ago), despite not having dumped her off way before, Diana Ross turns up wailing like a banshee at her funeral.

Diana Ross is indeed a bitch. Hopefully Beyonce wont follow her lead...

Sam L
Dec 23rd, 2003, 10:03 AM
yeah. beyonce relies heavily on sex...selling her body that is.

Tell me about it. You said it best, girl!

I swear did Diana Ross strip/sell sex to get "success"? Nope! These two shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. How embarassing. :o

Hot 92 Jamz
Dec 23rd, 2003, 10:05 AM
well. the first night by monica, if memory serve me right, held the longest position at #1 in the billboards. AAMOF, the song that held the position longest before that was the boy is mine.

I believe that "The First Night" went to #1 but the longest at that position? I seriously doubt it. It isn't in the record books like "One Sweet Day".

Hot 92 Jamz
Dec 23rd, 2003, 10:10 AM
I believe the Diana Ross reference in the article was in regards to Beyonce's mass appeal being greater than other black female singers. I took that to mean that Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Toni Braxton, Brandy, Monica and Aaliyah have all had varying degrees of success but none of them had Beyonce's instant visibility and media fascination. Destiny's Child definitely helped Beyonce's solo venture!

Hot 92 Jamz
Dec 23rd, 2003, 10:12 AM
Also Toni never was "MTV Friendly". NEVER!

Actually she was. "Breathe Again" and "Unbreak My Heart" were in heavy rotation and Toni even performed at the MTV Movie Awards as well as serve as presenter at the VMA's.

hey_britney
Dec 23rd, 2003, 10:27 AM
Excuse me. In what world was Moesha a hit?

skanky~skanketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 11:51 AM
jd4eva, if people didnt like sad songs then why were toni's and brandy's songs massive hits?or many ballads for that sake.

blink 107.2, i'm sure i heard that it was #1 for the longest weeks. maybe it was the rnb chart. coul u please check this out for me?

Rocketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 01:41 PM
Tell me about it. You said it best, girl!

I swear did Diana Ross strip/sell sex to get "success"? Nope! These two shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. How embarassing. :o

No Diana Ross just slept with the president of the music company and got pregnant to get the success she has....:rolleyes:

Joana
Dec 23rd, 2003, 01:55 PM
I think Unbreak My Heart was as big a hit as Crazy in Love.
And are they suggesting Beyonce has also surpassed Whitney? :rolleyes:

mentos
Dec 23rd, 2003, 02:41 PM
And are they suggesting Beyonce has also surpassed Whitney? :rolleyes:
I'm rolling my eyes--all four of them--at that one, too.
I know Whitney is at a low point, professionally and personally, but the mere comparison makes me want to heave. Yes, Beyonce is beautiful; Yes, she cang sing (good); Yes, she can act (by today's standards) but she is no where near close to Whitney's talent (at her pinnacle) vocally or even acting-wise.

spartanfan
Dec 23rd, 2003, 03:09 PM
well, imho, being the 'new diana ross' isn't a good thing...

1) diana ross, she of the huge ego, insisting on the name change to Diana Ross & The Supremes, will it soon be Beyonce & Destiny's Child???

2) diana ross then leaves the Supremes behind, they lose fans, diana ross does nothing to help them and doesn't speak to the former bandmates for ages, and Supremes generally go downhill

3) when Florence from The Supremes dies (years ago), despite not having dumped her off way before, Diana Ross turns up wailing like a banshee at her funeral.

Diana Ross is indeed a bitch. Hopefully Beyonce wont follow her lead...


You my friend are a misinformed ignorant dumb fuck who doesn't know their musical history.

1. It was Berry Gordy who insisted on the name change to Diana Ross and the Supremes. Similar to the name change of the Miracles to Smokey Robinson and the Miracles and Martha and the Vandellas changed to Martha Reeves and the Vandellas.

2. Initially in the early 1970's when Diana went solo the "New Supremes" had greater chart success than Diana Ross and to say she didn't speak to her former bandmates again proves my point that you're an ignorant fuck.

3. Its funny how the ignorant people always wail about what Diana Ross did to Flo Ballard. But was Diana her only friend? Even Mary Wilson wrote in her autobiography that Flo was unhappy in the Supremes and wanted out and at the time it was the best thing for the group. And while Diana left the Supremes why didn't Mary Wilson invite her back into the group? What did Mary do for Florence after she left? Did you know that Diana Ross set up a trust fund for Florence's childeren after she died so that they would be taken care of? Did Mary Wilson or anyone else at Motown do the same? I was at a Diana Ross concert in Detroit in 1991/2 and Diana brought Florences daughters up on stage and introduced them to the audience. They don't seem to be holding a grudge against Diana so why are you?

Its funny how people always mention that Diana's career is washed up or over and yet never say that about other singers of her generation/era. When was the last time Patti Labelle, Gladys Knight, Tina Turner, Aretha Frankilin, Barbara Streisand or Dionne Warwick had a hit? Yet they are still honored for what they have accomplished over the span of their careers. Or what about the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, or Bruce Springsteen, when was the last time they had a top 40, much less a top 10 hit? Hell look at Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, Madonna or Mariah Carey. Name their last top 10 hit.

I know this is a long post but I really felt the need to clarify the record and to educate the ignorant and misinformed.

MarcusRock
Dec 23rd, 2003, 04:43 PM
You my friend are a misinformed ignorant dumb fuck who doesn't know their musical history. ....... and to say she didn't speak to her former bandmates again proves my point that you're an ignorant fuck.Ooooh danra! Spartanfan called you the son of a monkey's uncle.

Are you gonna take that? Dang!

lizchris
Dec 23rd, 2003, 05:09 PM
Sorry if this sound harsh, Beyonce fans, but there is something about her that rings phony to me and rubs me the wrong way. If the media wants to coin her the next Diana Ross, she can have the title. I think Brandy (one child, though divorcing) and Toni Braxron (married with two children) have more fufilling lives. You can't hug a Grammy when you are 70 (Marie Osmond, mother of eight, said that).

lizchris
Dec 23rd, 2003, 05:11 PM
You my friend are a misinformed ignorant dumb fuck who doesn't know their musical history.

1. It was Berry Gordy who insisted on the name change to Diana Ross and the Supremes. Similar to the name change of the Miracles to Smokey Robinson and the Miracles and Martha and the Vandellas changed to Martha Reeves and the Vandellas.

2. Initially in the early 1970's when Diana went solo the "New Supremes" had greater chart success than Diana Ross and to say she didn't speak to her former bandmates again proves my point that you're an ignorant fuck.

3. Its funny how the ignorant people always wail about what Diana Ross did to Flo Ballard. But was Diana her only friend? Even Mary Wilson wrote in her autobiography that Flo was unhappy in the Supremes and wanted out and at the time it was the best thing for the group. And while Diana left the Supremes why didn't Mary Wilson invite her back into the group? What did Mary do for Florence after she left? Did you know that Diana Ross set up a trust fund for Florence's childeren after she died so that they would be taken care of? Did Mary Wilson or anyone else at Motown do the same? I was at a Diana Ross concert in Detroit in 1991/2 and Diana brought Florences daughters up on stage and introduced them to the audience. They don't seem to be holding a grudge against Diana so why are you?

Its funny how people always mention that Diana's career is washed up or over and yet never say that about other singers of her generation/era. When was the last time Patti Labelle, Gladys Knight, Tina Turner, Aretha Frankilin, Barbara Streisand or Dionne Warwick had a hit? Yet they are still honored for what they have accomplished over the span of their careers. Or what about the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, or Bruce Springsteen, when was the last time they had a top 40, much less a top 10 hit? Hell look at Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, Madonna or Mariah Carey. Name their last top 10 hit.

I know this is a long post but I really felt the need to clarify the record and to educate the ignorant and misinformed.

Actually Aretha Franklin has an album that was nominated for a Grammy and Tina is more of a star in Europe than in the US, the country of her birth. Other than that, I agree with everything you said.

Rocketta
Dec 23rd, 2003, 06:36 PM
Gladys Knight has a kick ass show in Vegas and Pattie Labelle has sold out shows whenever she feels like it. Diana on the other hand last tour got cancelled cause nobody wanted to pay to see her. Now if she did smaller venues could her tour have been successful, maybe not sure but there in lies the rub with Diana. She wouldn't do smaller venues...:sad:

mentos
Dec 23rd, 2003, 08:01 PM
Diana on the other hand last tour got cancelled cause nobody wanted to pay to see her. Now if she did smaller venues could her tour have been successful, maybe not sure but there in lies the rub with Diana. She wouldn't do smaller venues...:sad:
It was reported that Miss "voodoo on a stick" (isn't that what Eddie Murphy dubbed her in one of his routines?--forgive me if I'm wrong) still fancies herself a headliner, maybe in smaller venues like you mentioned Rocketta, but her ego got in the way of that last tour. She was supposed to be reuniting with Mary Wilson, but no, not good enough for Miss Ross to share the stage. She still thinks she's "the boss".
It all turned downward for ol' girl on that fateful rainy day in Central Park, when her supercrinkle orlon, nylon, undertimed other synthetics, original Sea Bisquit mane clung like matted poo to her over-inflated balloon dome, as heavens wash descended relentlessly upon her meager feminine portions. :sad:

jd4eva
Dec 23rd, 2003, 08:49 PM
vcr: your comprehension skills are truly baffling. i never once diminished the capacity of ballads as chart toppers, however you stated that Beyonce's hits were due to her "ass shaking".

I merely stated that it seemed more plausible that subject matter and musical composition were the reasons behind Beyonce's success. This is not to imply that her songs are deep or anything, but they're fun and enjoyable and somehow, even if you are unable to comprehend this, a song that is fun seems to appeal to people.

I never once said that ballads are not chart toppers, however trying to justify your contention that Beyonce's success is undeserved by stating that it is due to her "ass shaking" is a pretty blinkered view.

Miss Thang
Dec 24th, 2003, 12:36 AM
Excuse me. In what world was Moesha a hit?

In OUR world! :D Shows can a be hit without white folks watchin them a'ight? Moesha ran for 6 year and Miss Brandy and all the actors deserve props for that. :worship:

No Diana Ross just slept with the president of the music company and got pregnant to get the success she has....:rolleyes:

And the baby from Miss Diana and Barry Gordie was the sista with twisties who played a cop on one of the stories (Y&R maybe). She look more like Barry than Miss Diana.

I aint hatin on Miss Bee cuz she doin her but I cosign with y'all who said she gotta long way to go to catch up to Miss Whitney! :bigclap: Miss Janet also! Those 2 sista's been in the game for 20 or more year. :worship:

skanky~skanketta
Dec 24th, 2003, 01:08 AM
jd4eva, its all in the way u interpret things. u said nobody wanted to feel sad listening to ballads. thats why i said that they were chart toppers. duh!if people didnt wanna listen, the songs wouldnt be a hit now would they?:rolleyes: and i didnt diss bee's songs. as a matter of fact, i like her songs.

jd4eva
Dec 24th, 2003, 03:09 AM
i said people are predisposed to listening to songs which are more enjoyable than ballads. look at the comparison of fast songs and ballads as hits and that proves my point. you cannot argue that ballads are popular with 2 or 3 big hits, compared with the other chart topping songs.

i never stated a contention on your opinion of beyonce's songs, simply that your assumption that they are successful simply because she 'shakes her ass' is naive and ignorant. it fails simply because it makes a misinformed generalisation, assuming that beyonce is successful due to her appearance fails on two levels. you alienate the female population or fans, which i suppose the majority of which aren't particularly attracted to beyonce due to her looks. i'm also sure there are plenty of male beyonce fans who don't simply like her due to her looks or aren't attracted to her sexually (homosexuals are included in this category).

i'm not saying that beyonce's songs are free of her sexuality, that is simply obvious. however to downplay her achievement by virtually stating that it's all due to her looks is really a bitter thing to say.

jd4eva
Dec 24th, 2003, 03:11 AM
Oh and Miss Thang, how is it fair to criticise Beyonce simply because the media compares her to other great artists?

That would only be acceptable if it was Beyonce who compared herself to those artists. As far as Iknow, she hasnt' and she cannot be held accountable for what journalists choose to write about her.

Rocketta
Dec 24th, 2003, 03:26 AM
haha, VCR I don't hate Diana but she is an alchy row...;)

Also, you can't put down some one for dressing sexy while your propping someone who slept her way to the top. Both of which I actually have little problem with.

I don't know whose better or who had the most success cause I don't think in terms of that. I like what I like and that's good enough for me pretty much. I like a lot of songs from everyone of them. :shrug:

Ballbuster
Dec 24th, 2003, 03:33 AM
This article is true!

Beyonce has all the stuff to make her the next Ross. Including a voice that has No range. Beyonce has all the moves, theater and glam. She'll be around for a while.

Hot 92 Jamz
Dec 24th, 2003, 09:49 AM
VCR check your rep points re: Monica's song

I don't know how popular Diana Ross was with the mainstream but the article implies that Beyonce is the first African-American female singer to create a CROSSOVER media blitz since Diana Ross.

Do you think that's true? Or...were magazines, newspapers and entertainment-oriented TV shows just as curious about Toni Braxton, Brandy, Monica et al when they made their debuts? I don't think they were despite having some chart success.