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slydevil6142
Nov 29th, 2003, 05:54 PM
The more I read about the bashing of power tennis the more i dont understand. Everyone is allowed to have their perferred playing styles however, when ppl say that power tennis is boring and takes no skill I feel a bit disappointed. I am not a power player however I know that it takes a termondouse about of skill and talent to be able to hit the ball that hard consistently and keep it in the court. Those players who play with variety usually have no other choice b/c the power option isnt avaiable for them. All Im saying is give the powerplayers slack thats their game plan and if it works they should conitue using it.....

SJW
Nov 29th, 2003, 06:00 PM
cuz it's threatening.....especially in the womens game

it's happened for many years now...it's cool to watch players who can do a million and one tricks, but at the end of the day, i think the best players are the one's who beat everyone else by executing their own gameplan.

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 06:05 PM
Nobody is trying to impose a different style on the power players by saying their games are boring and take no skills. Of course it takes damn skills to hit the ball hard and still keep it in. It's just some ppl don't enjoy power tennis and prefer more variety and "head" tennis, which is understandable in my opinion. Of course every player should be allowed to play the way they like and I don't think anybody is forcing anything. Then, small players who lack power need something extra which power or big girls don't need to accomplish as much. Some girls are just physically less gifted and when they accmoplish as much as bigger girls (with more muscle, height which is a clear advantage).. I would give them more credit cuz clearly they are disadvantaged and need to do something to make up for it.

R&J
Nov 29th, 2003, 06:47 PM
I love the power game - I would rather watch a baseline slugfest then a 1 or 2 shot serve and volley match (that lasts for 1 or 2 shots each point).
I just like baseline power play - that is more interesting to me then a match that is full of drop shots, lobs, junk play, serve and volley.

Just my opinion. But I would rather watch the Power Tennis of today.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:07 PM
It's just some ppl don't enjoy power tennis and prefer more variety and "head" tennis, which is understandable in my opinion.

see...so power tennis is "dumb"tennis?!

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:12 PM
see...so power tennis is "dumb"tennis?!

No, I don't think so.
It just takes more brain work to play with a less gifted frame in my opinion. You gotta do something different so as not to be overpowered. If you don't have the power or muscle to rely on, what else could you hold on to?
I think overpowering is more simple than outsmarting.

AndyLoefflerCaro
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:17 PM
The problem with power tennis on the WTA: too much unforced errors.

A lot of ATP matches you can see power tennis without unforced errors all over the place. It's less the case with women tennis.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:18 PM
It all depends on the surface....on the slower surfaces, you tend to see more ufe´s than on the faster surfaces.

AndyLoefflerCaro
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:20 PM
Yeah maybe but my point was just that people who don't like power tennis probably just don't like seeing many unforced errors. That's why they bash it.

servenrichie
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:23 PM
Nobody is trying to impose a different style on the power players by saying their games are boring and take no skills. Of course it takes damn skills to hit the ball hard and still keep it in. It's just some ppl don't enjoy power tennis and prefer more variety and "head" tennis, which is understandable in my opinion. Of course every player should be allowed to play the way they like and I don't think anybody is forcing anything. Then, small players who lack power need something extra which power or big girls don't need to accomplish as much. Some girls are just physically less gifted and when they accmoplish as much as bigger girls (with more muscle, height which is a clear advantage).. I would give them more credit cuz clearly they are disadvantaged and need to do something to make up for it.

So if a an arts student decide to go and do science subjects, then he should be given more credit and recognition because he came from the arts background? What a dumb notion. There are so many opportunities in this world, that everybody should try to do what he is best at. If small players think they´d be best in tennis, then fuck, they have to compete. I dont want to hear anything about size again. Tennis is tennis. Every player has to work hard to win, that is the bottom line.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:24 PM
Yeah probably....but then if you are only hitting moonballs and stuff, it´s HARD to make an error.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:26 PM
So if a an arts student decide to go and do science subjects, then he should be given more credit and recognition because he came from the arts background? What a dumb notion. There are so many opportunities in this world, that everybody should try to do what he is best at. If small players think they´d be best in tennis, then fuck, they have to compete. I dont want to hear anything about size again. Tennis is tennis. Every player has to work hard to win, that is the bottom line.

Exactly! Do u hear anyone saying that if AI was Shaq´s size, he would have won the title?!

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:26 PM
Yeah maybe but my point was just that people who don't like power tennis probably just don't like seeing many unforced errors. That's why they bash it.

Too many unforced errors is one reason and another is power tennis doesn't show as good variety as say.... less-power tennis...can't think of a name to describe it.
For players who possess less power gotta try different things to win a point and on the other thand power players can hit winners plain and simple. They don't need a vareity of shots to win a point. They just have to go for their shots and if they are in, the point is theirs. Not much variety of course cuz it's very simple and straightforward.
Less variety doesn't equal boring of course. Some ppl enjoy power tennis more and yet others don't....

servenrichie
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:26 PM
Yeah maybe but my point was just that people who don't like power tennis probably just don't like seeing many unforced errors. That's why they bash it.

Bull, errors are part of tennis. Power tennis became negative with the rise of the sisters. :mad:

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:28 PM
So if a an arts student decide to go and do science subjects, then he should be given more credit and recognition because he came from the arts background? What a dumb notion. There are so many opportunities in this world, that everybody should try to do what he is best at. If small players think they´d be best in tennis, then fuck, they have to compete. I dont want to hear anything about size again. Tennis is tennis. Every player has to work hard to win, that is the bottom line.

I don't remember saying power players don't have to work hard....
you totally took my post out of context.. but it's ok.. we will never reach an agreement anyway.

AndyLoefflerCaro
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:31 PM
Bull, errors are part of tennis. Power tennis became negative with the rise of the sisters. :mad:

True. Errors are PART of tennis, NOT tennis.

Power tennis never became negative. Some people just don't like power tennis, and it's not limited to the rise of the sisters, but it started when Seles started dominating the tour in early 90's.

servenrichie
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:31 PM
I don't remember saying power players don't have to work hard....
you totally took my post out of context.. but it's ok.. we will never reach an agreement anyway.

Sure I can understand your hesitation. According to you, smaller players should be given more recongnition or can it be thatyou dont understand what you wrote?

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:34 PM
Too many unforced errors is one reason and another is power tennis doesn't show as good variety as say.... less-power tennis...can't think of a name to describe it.
For players who possess less power gotta try different things to win a point and on the other thand power players can hit winners plain and simple. They don't need a vareity of shots to win a point. They just have to go for their shots and if they are in, the point is theirs. Not much variety of course cuz it's very simple and straightforward.
Less variety doesn't equal boring of course. Some ppl enjoy power tennis more and yet others don't....

If you can end the point in two-strokes/shots, why keep beating around the bush?! It´s about efficiency.

servenrichie
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:35 PM
True. Errors are PART of tennis, NOT tennis.

Power tennis never became negative. Some people just don't like power tennis, and it's not limited to the rise of the sisters, but it started when Seles started dominating the tour in early 90's.

Sorry, that is absolutely not true. Navratilova played power tennis, Seles, Graf etc carried it on and it was exciting. Brute strenght, athleticism and force only became part of power tennis, when V & S rose in the rankings. I dont have to convince you of anything. Go and read a few older articles yourself, but dont argue what you dont know :rolleyes:

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:36 PM
Sure I can understand your hesitation. According to you, smaller players should be given more recongnition or can it be thatyou dont understand what you wrote?

Yes, it's just me though. I tend to cheer on smaller players when they face big babes. I don't see anything wrong with that. You can cheer on anybody you want to. I never said smaller players SHOULD be give more credit. It's just my personal way of appreciating players and I guess many others follow this criteria and that's why they go on and on that power tennis is boring.

AndyLoefflerCaro
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:39 PM
Sorry, that is absolutely not true. Navratilova played power tennis, Seles, Graf etc carried it on and it was exciting. Brute strenght, athleticism and force only became part of power tennis, when V & S rose in the rankings. I dont have to convince you of anything. Go and read a few older articles yourself, but dont argue what you dont know :rolleyes:

I'm not talking about articles, but the preference of spectators. A lot of people did NOT like watching Seles at that time. She wasn't considered exciting by a lot of people. Just like some people don't like watching power tennis now. Each person has its own preference, get over it.

servenrichie
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Yes, it's just me though. I tend to cheer on smaller players when they face big babes. I don't see anything wrong with that. You can cheer on anybody you want to. I never said smaller players SHOULD be give more credit. It's just my personal way of appreciating players and I guess many others follow this criteria and that's why they go on and on that power tennis is boring.

Fine, I cheer Venus and Serena, not because of their size, but because of their game. What they do with the ball is absolutely amazing. It is my personal way of appreciating players, who put in a lot of work and excel in their chosen careers and I guess many others follow this criteria and that is why the cheer power tennis :p

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:44 PM
Fine, I cheer Venus and Serena, not because of their size, but because of their game. What they do with the ball is absolutely amazing. It is my personal way of appreciating players, who put in a lot of work and excel in their chosen careers and I guess many others follow this criteria and that is why the cheer power tennis :p

I have no problem with dat! :angel:

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:46 PM
In the end of the day everybody is free in their choice who they cheer or what kind of game they like.

If only the reporters would understand that. Not everybody has to play the game the same way. There isn´t a proper way to play tennis.

Acting like power-tennis is bad, that ain´t right.

AndyLoefflerCaro
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:48 PM
In the end of the day everybody is free in their choice who they cheer or what kind of game they like.

If only the reporters would understand that. Not everybody has to play the game the same way. There isn´t a proper way to play tennis.

Acting like power-tennis is bad, that ain´t right.

When was the last time there was an article written about power tennis being bad. :scratch: Is it really worth complaning about 1 year old articles?

servenrichie
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:49 PM
I have no problem with dat! :angel:
Neither do I. I dont campaign nor put any player down because of size :angel:

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 08:06 PM
When was the last time there was an article written about power tennis being bad. :scratch: Is it really worth complaning about 1 year old articles?

wait till next year...when things to normal again, all those articles will show up again.

moby
Nov 30th, 2003, 10:57 AM
So if a an arts student decide to go and do science subjects, then he should be given more credit and recognition because he came from the arts background? What a dumb notion. There are so many opportunities in this world, that everybody should try to do what he is best at. If small players think they´d be best in tennis, then fuck, they have to compete. I dont want to hear anything about size again. Tennis is tennis. Every player has to work hard to win, that is the bottom line.

i dont think everybody should try to do what he is best at, but what he loves to do
it's not necessarily the same thing
eg. Martina loves horse riding more than anything, but in her own words, she'll never be as good at anything as she is at tennis

azza
Nov 30th, 2003, 11:21 AM
The more I read about the bashing of power tennis the more i dont understand. Everyone is allowed to have their perferred playing styles however, when ppl say that power tennis is boring and takes no skill I feel a bit disappointed. I am not a power player however I know that it takes a termondouse about of skill and talent to be able to hit the ball that hard consistently and keep it in the court. Those players who play with variety usually have no other choice b/c the power option isnt avaiable for them. All Im saying is give the powerplayers slack thats their game plan and if it works they should conitue using it.....

Mark Phlippoussis :worship:
Lindsay Davenport :worship:
Jennifer Capriati :worship:
Andy Roddick ... :rolleyes:

servenrichie
Nov 30th, 2003, 11:30 AM
i dont think everybody should try to do what he is best at, but what he loves to do
it's not necessarily the same thing
eg. Martina loves horse riding more than anything, but in her own words, she'll never be as good at anything as she is at tennis

So should MArtina recieve more props than her riding counterparts, because she is good at tennis, but loves riding more?

Experimentee
Nov 30th, 2003, 12:00 PM
i dont think everybody should try to do what he is best at, but what he loves to do
it's not necessarily the same thing
eg. Martina loves horse riding more than anything, but in her own words, she'll never be as good at anything as she is at tennis

I think she said she loved horseriding more, and she would have taken it up professionally had there been as much money in that sport as there is in tennis.

calabar
Nov 30th, 2003, 01:08 PM
.Oh c'mon folks, let's stop beating around the bush here. All this talk about Power Tennis is just a smokescreen. Is it a coincidence that this bs surfaced around the same time as the dominance of the Williams Sisters?

To borrow a phrase from Chris Rock (at the MTV awards), "V&S have beaten the crap out of more white women since Rick James". It was quite funny the way he said it. But seriously folks, isn't that THE real reason why all of a sudden power tennis is being under attack? Be honest.

Volcana
Nov 30th, 2003, 01:24 PM
When power tennis was Monica Seles, Mary Pierce, Lindsay Davenport and Jennifer Capriati, nobody complained about it. The complaints started when the dominant purveyors of power tennis became Venus and Serena Williams. To my mind, those complaints were never about 'power tennis'. They were about 'BLACK power tennis'.

So why do we hear fewer complaints today?

1) Because it IS so easy to say, 'why weren't you complaining when all the power players were white?'

A lot of the complainers never were able to answer why the same style of play, that had been acceptable for years in other players, was suddenly objectionable with the Williams sisters. So the anti-Williams people pretending to be anti-power had to shut it down.

2) Serena won the slam. (Sure its a petite Slam, but its still four in a row). Kinda hard to dis a player's style when their results are that good.

3) The two biggest names in NON-power tennis Martina Hingis and Anna Kournikova, are both no longer factors in the game, despite their youth.

4) The Williams sisters have both diversified their games. They use a wider variety of shots now, rather than doing what Venus described as 'hitting the ball hard all the time'. They are the power players most people see on TV. So as their games add variety, it seems like 'power tennis', on the whole, has more variety to it.

5) Justine Henin-Hardenne - She's small, but her game is still based on her ability to generate pace. Yes she's a deft shot-maker, but nine times out of ten, she just pulls the opponent to a disadvantageous position, then just hits a ball going too fast to be returned. When people can see pace as a dominant weapon used by a small player, its easier to appreciate than when one of the 'Big Babes' is hammering away.

6) Probably most important, and 5) had a lot to do with it. FANS ARE BETTER EDUCATED.

Anyone who sees past their own preconcieved notions can see by now that 'power tennis' actually covers players with very different styles. Jenn is risk-averse. Venus seems to have to make an effort to even SEE risk. Serena WANTS to get into a battle of sprinting side to side on the baseline. Monica stays in the middle of the baseline, and tries to force her way up the middle a couple steps to get a short angle.

If you can wrap all that up in a bundle and just call it 'power tennis', you just aren't all that interested the nuances of the game.

moby
Nov 30th, 2003, 01:28 PM
i think the main reason the williams sisters have been condemned is because of their super big serves.

Steffi who dominated the game was surprisingly interesting to watch because she only hit hard off one side. Monica unorthodox double hander off both sides also exempted her from being just another power clone.

bandabou
Nov 30th, 2003, 01:35 PM
i think the main reason the williams sisters have been condemned is because of their super big serves.

Steffi who dominated the game was surprisingly interesting to watch because she only hit hard off one side. Monica unorthodox double hander off both sides also exempted her from being just another power clone.

That´s such blah blah!

Experimentee
Nov 30th, 2003, 01:38 PM
Monica unorthodox double hander off both sides also exempted her from being just another power clone.

I dont understand how one handed power forehands would be boring to watch, but two handed off both sides interesting. :confused:
The Williams sisters have a lot of variety too, like great angles and point construction. I dont see how that could be boring just bc of a big serve. There are other players who have big serves themselves, like Seles and Davenport.

Juju_fan
Nov 30th, 2003, 01:52 PM
What I don't understand is that people seem to believe that it is only since V&S are there that the top players are bashed! :confused:

Hingis was bashed, so was Steffi Graf, so was Navratilova, so is Justine Henin!

Every top player is condemned to be bashed, no matter what style of play they have! Of course they will be by different persons, but you can't be loved by everybody...

moby
Nov 30th, 2003, 02:36 PM
I dont understand how one handed power forehands would be boring to watch, but two handed off both sides interesting. :confused:
The Williams sisters have a lot of variety too, like great angles and point construction. I dont see how that could be boring just bc of a big serve. There are other players who have big serves themselves, like Seles and Davenport.


It's just like the girl who plays one handed forehands off both sides
People'd much rather watch her than those ranked a few spots in front of her or those who're slightly better than her because her style is so unusual

Another point against the sisters is because they're so physically gifted, it seems to those watching that it's unfair they win against opponents who may be tactically more astute and who have to work harder.

Also juju_fan brought up a great point. All top players will be condemned! Even Kim, who's such a nice person!

Experimentee
Nov 30th, 2003, 02:43 PM
It's just like the girl who plays one handed forehands off both sides
People'd much rather watch her than those ranked a few spots in front of her or those who're slightly better than her because her style is so unusual

Another point against the sisters is because they're so physically gifted, it seems to those watching that it's unfair they win against opponents who may be tactically more astute and who have to work harder.

Also juju_fan brought up a great point. All top players will be condemned! Even Kim, who's such a nice person!

Most sportspeople are physically gifted. Its not unfair that tall athletic people play sports as opposed to short skinny weaklings. Others players like Kim and Davenport are physically gifted too, but no one goes on about them having no tactics :rolleyes:

SerialKiller#69
Nov 30th, 2003, 02:48 PM
Power Tennis isn't really appealing when you sense that the opponent was beaten because he/she was just simply overpowered. Worse is when the player hits back-to-back aces or serves that are unreturnable.For the meanwhile, the other player is chasing all of those balls and employing every tactics in the book just to hold serve.

bandabou
Nov 30th, 2003, 03:00 PM
Most sportspeople are physically gifted. Its not unfair that tall athletic people play sports as opposed to short skinny weaklings. Others players like Kim and Davenport are physically gifted too, but no one goes on about them having no tactics :rolleyes:

Word! People wanna condemn players because they were born strong or tall?!

bandabou
Nov 30th, 2003, 03:01 PM
Power Tennis isn't really appealing when you sense that the opponent was beaten because he/she was just simply overpowered. Worse is when the player hits back-to-back aces or serves that are unreturnable.For the meanwhile, the other player is chasing all of those balls and employing every tactics in the book just to hold serve.


Serving is also part of the game....shouldn´t be blamed for having a bigger weapon than anoother player.

Juju_fan
Nov 30th, 2003, 03:06 PM
No player should be (is?) blamed because he/she was born strong and can play with a lot of power.

However, people have the right to not find it interesting or enjoyable.

moby
Nov 30th, 2003, 03:07 PM
Most sportspeople are physically gifted. Its not unfair that tall athletic people play sports as opposed to short skinny weaklings. Others players like Kim and Davenport are physically gifted too, but no one goes on about them having no tactics :rolleyes:

well i dont know... i'm just trying to rationalise and put myself in those people's shoes

propi
Nov 30th, 2003, 03:07 PM
from this you can make much more questions and we'd never end... why bash tactical tennis, why bash moonballs, why bash beatuful/fat players...

bandabou
Nov 30th, 2003, 04:03 PM
No player should be (is?) blamed because he/she was born strong and can play with a lot of power.

However, people have the right to not find it interesting or enjoyable.

No, but no one asked them their opinion either. You don´t hear power-tennis lovers moaning about moonballers, do ya?!

Juju_fan
Nov 30th, 2003, 04:05 PM
No, but no one asked them their opinion either. You don´t hear power-tennis lovers moaning about moonballers, do ya?!
Of course, why should someone complain when he's got what he wants?

Doraemon
Nov 30th, 2003, 04:07 PM
Word! People wanna condemn players because they were born strong or tall?!

I don't think power players are comdemn by many for having been born strong and powerful. It's rather that physically less gifted players tend to be given more credit and props. Saying a player's game is boring doesn't equal bashing her game. It's just a personal taste. Some ppl like power tennis and others like other kinds of tennis. as simple as that.

bandabou
Nov 30th, 2003, 04:42 PM
I already know that.....if only the reporters/commentators could leave it in the middle too. You know let the crowd decide if they like it or not.. But no, all the time power-tennis is bad, is boring,etc.. it´s like they wanna brainwash the crowds.

"Topaz"
Dec 1st, 2003, 02:48 AM
C'mon, guys! Don't stop. Keep talking about me. I really enjoy the conversation, though from afar. By the way, it's been a long time since I've heard anybody bashing power tennis. Those early bashers were caught and denounced in their attempt at attacking Vee & Ree via the political correctness of power tennis. Nowadays, they can't even touch it as power is the new school in women's tennis, after conquering men's tennis wholesale.

My best power strokes in women's tennis are:
- Venus's BH down the line;
- Jen Cap's FH to any corner with her feet off the ground;
- Justine's BH cross court; most people are so blighted by the panache in that shot that they fail to see the amazing momentum impacted to the ball;
- Davenport's lethal flat BH or FH down the line when she gets time to set it up;
- Serena BH and FH on the run.

In here, I deliberately omit the serves and the overhead smashes, which are legitimate power shots.

On The Line
Dec 1st, 2003, 07:24 AM
Power Tennis isn't really appealing when you sense that the opponent was beaten because he/she was just simply overpowered. Worse is when the player hits back-to-back aces or serves that are unreturnable.For the meanwhile, the other player is chasing all of those balls and employing every tactics in the book just to hold serve.


Obviously, you don't play tennis. For when I'm deep in a set and behind, I pray for an ace or two or any free points with my first serve so I can hold easily and conserve my energy to break back to win the set. For the object is to win 6 games and not show off and not run down balls or not have good gets. Tennis is still a physical game, and serving well and holding serve is key to winning. But, you sound like you don't know that.

On The Line
Dec 1st, 2003, 07:35 AM
What I've noticed is that a persons' favorite dictates the type of tennis that person enjoys and vice versa. If your fav is a power player, then you tend to enjoy that type of tennis and likewise if your fav is a finesse player, then you tend to like that particular type of tennis.

What puzzles me though is that people who like Justine's tennis seem to think her games a finesse game, when in fact, she's a baseline power player just like the other power players. Yes, she comes to net, occasionally, but no more than other baseliners. She hits with a lot of power and pace, and yet, her defenders are blinded by her diminutive size. There really seems to be little consistency with your likes and dislikes, so the debate rages on.

servenrichie
Dec 1st, 2003, 07:43 AM
What I've noticed is that a persons' favorite dictates the type of tennis that person enjoys and vice versa. If your fav is a power player, then you tend to enjoy that type of tennis and likewise if your fav is a finesse player, then you tend to like that particular type of tennis.

What puzzles me though is that people who like Justine's tennis seem to think her games a finesse game, when in fact, she's a baseline power player just like the other power players. Yes, she comes to net, occasionally, but no more than other baseliners. She hits with a lot of power and pace, and yet, her defenders are blinded by her diminutive size. There really seems to be little consistency with your likes and dislikes, so the debate rages on.

Hey, you are going to confuse some pathetic fools here with your logical reasoning :D

bandabou
Dec 1st, 2003, 08:08 AM
What I've noticed is that a persons' favorite dictates the type of tennis that person enjoys and vice versa. If your fav is a power player, then you tend to enjoy that type of tennis and likewise if your fav is a finesse player, then you tend to like that particular type of tennis.

What puzzles me though is that people who like Justine's tennis seem to think her games a finesse game, when in fact, she's a baseline power player just like the other power players. Yes, she comes to net, occasionally, but no more than other baseliners. She hits with a lot of power and pace, and yet, her defenders are blinded by her diminutive size. There really seems to be little consistency with your likes and dislikes, so the debate rages on.

Exactly....people moan that the sisters beat Justine only because they are so powerful and Justine is such a "little" girl....but then they forget that when Justine beats say a Patty the same thing is the case. Justine beats Patty because she can hit harder than Patty and for nothing else!

SerialKiller#69
Dec 1st, 2003, 12:51 PM
Obviously, you don't play tennis. For when I'm deep in a set and behind, I pray for an ace or two or any free points with my first serve so I can hold easily and conserve my energy to break back to win the set. For the object is to win 6 games and not show off and not run down balls or not have good gets. Tennis is still a physical game, and serving well and holding serve is key to winning. But, you sound like you don't know that.

Hmmmm... uhuh *nods, nods*. Okay.

Obviously, you don't know how to read and comprehend. For when I say "appealing", I was referring about *my* preference and personal taste. When V and S match each other power by power, then it's interesting to watch. That Wimbledon final was particularly enjoyable in my opinion. So was the exhibition match early this year between Rubin and Seles where they were smacking the hell out of those balls. I personally just don't enjoy, not necessarily dislike (got it?) when someone relies heavily on their serves. It's like, "to hell with their weapons, I have a bazooka for a serve." That kind of tennis doesn't appeal to me. You got that? Thanks.