PDA

View Full Version : Serena vs ASV French Open 1998 4R


gmak
Nov 27th, 2003, 04:54 PM
arantxa wins 4-6 7-5 6-3 after trailing 2-5 0-30 in the 2nd :eek:

does anyone has this match on tape?
i remember at the press conference arantxa was furious with serena saying that she deliberately tried to hit her in the stomach at one point and arantxa was lucky she went the other side of the net...

arantxa accused serena of showing no respect for her and she said that she was happy she taught her a lesson ... she also said that serena didn't apolpgise afterwards but was laughing...

does anyone know what really happened? :eek: :devil:

selestribe
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:19 PM
arantxa wins 4-6 7-5 6-3 after trailing 2-5 0-30 in the 2nd :eek:

does anyone has this match on tape?
i remember at the press conference arantxa was furious with serena saying that she deliberately tried to hit her in the stomach at one point and arantxa was lucky she went the other side of the net...

arantxa accused serena of showing no respect for her and she said that she was happy she taught her a lesson ... she also said that serena didn't apolpgise afterwards but was laughing...

does anyone know what really happened? :eek: :devil:

Hi Gmak,
I don't really remember what happened on the court that made such a behaviour from both players ... the only thing I can remember is that it was an incredible match and Arantxa came back from nowhere, this was great.
I have this match on tape, it starts at 3-all in the 1st set til the end, it's about 2h10, in English and in vhs-Pal. Great stuff.

Ballbuster
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:23 PM
What about it. Serena was a overzealous teen. I would have hit her too. Big deal.

Where is ASV in the history books anyway. Probably, nothing remarkable.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:24 PM
Yeah, there was something about that match. ASV thought Serena tried to hit her or something....but of course, it could have been mind-games too, because Arantxa was out and I mean REALLY out of that match.

gmak
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:28 PM
lol if you think about it ... 2 points from going out in the 4th round and then winning the trophy

Randy H
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:30 PM
It was a great match, lots of drama that's for sure. I don't really think too much into the incident though - Obviously it was a high tension situation, Serena so close to winning, Arantxa's favourite tournament being Roland Garros. Arantxa was probably not impressed with the ball nearing smacking her, Serena probably wasn't too happy that Arantxa took a bathroom break. Both using a bit of mind games and intimidation, it happens and experience was the winner on that given day.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:34 PM
Serena and ASV share the same kinda history...nearly going out and a early round and then turn it around and winning the throphy.

THE NET
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:34 PM
I am glad Arantxa beated Serena.
Congratulation!! I love Arantxa!! :hearts:

selestribe
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:40 PM
I am glad Arantxa beated Serena.
Congratulation!! I love Arantxa!! :hearts:

I agree with you. I love Arantxa too ! :hearts:

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:42 PM
But in the end that was ASVīs last big hurrah and Serena went on to achieve more and bigger things than ASV anyways!

Darran
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:50 PM
:rolleyes: do you have to hate everyone not named williams?

TartarVicario
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:54 PM
arantxa wins 4-6 7-5 6-3 after trailing 2-5 0-30 in the 2nd :eek:

I love and follow tennis because of her and FO 1998 :hearts: .That's why I came here :sad:

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 06:10 PM
Hate?! Why hate?! I didnīt hate....ASV acted like beating Serena at that time was such a big thing. Only Serenaīs second GS on her worst surface and she nearly beat a two-time champion. Then she wanna come talk about respect this and that. Pl-uhze!

Darran
Nov 27th, 2003, 06:24 PM
No she didn't, she acted like anyone would if a player hit a smash at you with no apology and then started laughing. Don't you think every player should have respect for their opponents? Obviously not.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 06:42 PM
Intentionally?! Donīt know about that, but if it is so....then of course it ainīt cool. But I donīt think Arantxa is the most fair player either....remember Jana Novotna at the Olympics?!

raquel
Nov 27th, 2003, 06:56 PM
Intentionally?! Donīt know about that, but if it is so....then of course it ainīt cool. But I donīt think Arantxa is the most fair player either....remember Jana Novotna at the Olympics?!
I am not sure if it was intentional, I do remember that Serena really rattled Arantxa and brought out the fight in ASV. ASV did anything to win, and played little mind games which some players could not handle. Serena lost that day, but I think mentally ASV and Serena are similar - very tough and always confident.

Jana Novotna was just pissed that she never won that Olympics match. Jana was a bad loser that day and started blaming ASV's sportmanship and saying the crowd prefer Jana to ASV :haha:

Diya
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:01 PM
Yeah this match was ONE more example( a la Spirlea v/s Venus at the 1997 USO) of BAD and cocky on court behaviour on the part of the W/S. Serena though she was going to win easily and tried "hitting two birds with A ball" and too bad that this infuriated ASV so much that she decided to teach the "little b!tch" a lesson or two in tennis ( and she still has a 4-3 H2H record over her and guess what it ain't gonna change) .

After the match she talked about how "graceful" and "down to earth" all the former great champion players were ( she mentioned herself and Seles if i remember correctly) and how she didn't see any such qualities in Serena Williams .......:rolleyes:

:tape:

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:01 PM
Yep....me thinks so too. Both HATE to lose, donīt think Serena really aimed to hit ASV.

Yeah, Jana was just a bad sport...so many blown-matches do that to you.

G_Slammed
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:11 PM
( and she still has a 4-3 H2H record over her and guess what it ain't gonna change) .

Guess what else CowsRus...

6 slams to 4. And it's sure to change.

Sonn it'll be 7, then 8.. then 9.. then 12 etc., .. to 4.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:32 PM
Yep...in the end of the day Serenaīs legacy is gonna be much much bigger!

Gallofa
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:38 PM
arantxa wins 4-6 7-5 6-3 after trailing 2-5 0-30 in the 2nd :eek:

It was a great match, wasn't it? :D

That's how it always was with Arantxa, she might had been losing badly, but if you gave her as much as half of a chance to come back, she'd fight you to the end :D Some of her wins over the years have been incredible, coming back from huge deficits.

Serena was cruising, she hit that one at Arantxa, and I guess she infuriated Arantxa enough that she just made up her mind she was not going to lose (toilet break and change of outfit included) :lol:

raquel
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:40 PM
Yep...in the end of the day Serenaīs legacy is gonna be much much bigger!
You are saying that as if an ASV fan is arguing with you over it. I am not denying Serena has already acheived more, so what's the point of saying that as if ASV fans are trying to claim otherwise. Diya came into this thread and started her usual hating on the Williams, but others are not saying anything against Serena.

Gallofa
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:49 PM
In Arantxa's career there have been so many of those matches, other players would out-hit her, but she tended to out-think players and adjust her game to frustrate the others and go for her shots whenever she could. Sometime in 2001 she lost that "punch", she started to lose the close ones, a mix of her form not being so great anymore and maybe also she lost a bit of her fight/confidence.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:54 PM
You are saying that as if an ASV fan is arguing with you over it. I am not denying Serena has already acheived more, so what's the point of saying that as if ASV fans are trying to claim otherwise. Diya came into this thread and started her usual hating on the Williams, but others are not saying anything against Serena.

It was directed at Diya....didnīt want to hurt the ASV-fansīs feelings. Arantxa is a great champion.

Diya
Nov 27th, 2003, 08:19 PM
American women thrive in Paris

Posted: Monday June 01, 1998 09:55 AM

Although Serena Williams (right) lost to Sanchez Vicario, Venus moves on to face Hingis in the quarterfinals (AP)

PARIS (AP) -- The American men may have bombed out at this year's French Open, but the women are doing just fine, thank you.

With Venus Williams, Lindsay Davenport and Monica Seles all advancing Sunday, more U.S. women have reached the quarterfinals than in any French Open since 1986.

They were almost joined by the other Williams sister, Serena. But she folded in the second set of a contentious match against Aranxta Sanchez Vicario after coming within two points of victory.

"I'm only 16, my first Roland Garros," Serena said after the match. "Everything is a learning experience for me."

That may be the one thing Sanchez Vicario agreed with.

"I taught her a lesson," the fourth-seeded Spaniard said angrily after the match.

It was a lesson that featured glares across the net, an unusual dress change by the Spaniard, and a slam by Williams that nearly beheaded her opponent.

Williams accused Sanchez Vicario of changing from a black outfit to a white one midway through the second set as a strategic move. Sanchez Vicario, for her part, was upset at Williams' attitude after a controversial point in the first set.

"I just think she doesn't have respect. She cannot go in with that attitude," said Sanchez Vicario. "You know, I'm glad I beat her."

So Serena will have to watch her sister in the quarters, and it should be one of the most intriguing matches of the tournament.

Venus Williams will play top-seeded Martina Hingis, another match in a rivalry quickly becoming one of the best in women's sports.

The older Williams advanced Sunday with a 6-1, 6-3 victory over Henrieta Nagyova of Slovakia in which she slammed seven aces -- two at 116 mph.

Hingis was a 6-1, 6-2 winner over Anna Smashnova of Israel in a match between former French Open junior champions.

Venus Williams, the No. 8 seed, has lost just 13 games in her four matches at the French Open. Hingis has lost 14 games.

Hingis holds a 5-2 record against Williams, but they are 2-2 this year.

Sanchez Vicario will face Patty Schnyder in the quarterfinals. No. 2 Davenport and No. 6 Seles also advanced to the quarters.

Davenport will face defending champion Iva Majoli, the 10th seed, who ousted No. 7 Conchita Martinez 7-6 (7-1), 6-7 (3-7), 6-3 in a match completed Monday.

tennisIlove09
Nov 27th, 2003, 08:24 PM
What about it. Serena was a overzealous teen. I would have hit her too. Big deal.

Where is ASV in the history books anyway. Probably, nothing remarkable.

ASV will go down in the history books as one of the GREATEST fighters EVER. She will be remembered as one of the few women who won Roland Garros more then once; who won the US Open/Paris in the same year...AND who was #1 in the world!

***

I find it odd that Serena would comment on Arantxa changing outfits as her reason to lose. But she was young. I wish I had that tape...I am a HUGE Arantxa fan!

raquel
Nov 27th, 2003, 08:30 PM
ASV was very outspoken, saying she was glad she beat Serena. Arantxa and Serena are quite similar that way too, not afraid to speak out. I miss the bitching and controversy from that time!

selesfan1
Nov 27th, 2003, 08:44 PM
As I remeber Arantxa was up at net( which is probably the place on court where it's easiest to get hit by a ball) Seren I guess was trying to drill a down the lin shot and arantxa moved over and got this really pissed look on her face and serena kind of giggled ond then coveed her mouth.

jenny161185
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:47 PM
hinig beat smashnova 2 and 1 :)

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:53 PM
But letīs just say that in the end that match meant more for ASV that it meant for Serena. Serena was only starting and for ASV it meant the last hoorah of her career.

Andre@
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:53 PM
I had this match on tape but I recorded another match over it. :(

I watch it but I forgot what happened between them

raquel
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:56 PM
But letīs just say that in the end that match meant more for ASV that it meant for Serena. Serena was only starting and for ASV it meant the last hoorah of her career.
I totally agree, although I think it is a good achievement from ASV to be able to win her first Slam in 1989 and last in 1998, over a 9 year span. It shows she always improved and raised her level to stay competing at the highest level. Players like Lindsay and Jennifer are great champions but I don't see Lindsay or Jennifer winning a Slam next year never mind nine years after their first.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:59 PM
Agreed Racquel....the later you win a slam, I think the more difficult it is gonna be to win at a latter stage. Arantxa was quit young when she her first RG, so there was a huge chance that she would win more at a later stage.

Kart
Nov 27th, 2003, 11:06 PM
I saw this match.

ASV was furious :fiery:.

Compelling viewing :yeah:.

That was a bit of a tournament for tantrums - who could forget Anna K in her match against Novotna.

Joseosu19
Nov 28th, 2003, 04:17 AM
Serena made the mistake of making Arantxa mad, and it helped Arantxa battle back into the match. Arantxa will forever be remembered as a great champion, who took what she was given, and did so much more with it. She wasn't as talented as Serena, but she has sure had an illustrous career. Serena does have the same fiery attitude as Arantxa, and you have to respect her for it.

THE NET
Nov 28th, 2003, 09:06 AM
Serena always have the attitude to hit the smash into her opponent's body.

I remember watching her playing doubles (with Venus) against Anna K, French Open final 1999, Wimbledon SF 2001. Anna K. was hit by the ball many times. And it was Serena!!..maybe jealousy how Anna K. gets the attention and her beauty!! :angel:

Scorch
Nov 28th, 2003, 12:52 PM
Storm in a teacup, mountain out of a mole hill.

The things that were said after were said whilst the heat of the battle still burned (how poetic!!) I bet neither Arantxa or Serena even thought about the incident for long after.

I love it when 2 players are out and out aggresive in their desire for the win - its what sport is all about.

Chance
Nov 28th, 2003, 01:00 PM
SMH @ The Net

it's a legal move. Anna K and Martina were asked about it and they said they had no problem with it.

Experimentee
Nov 28th, 2003, 01:42 PM
Serena always have the attitude to hit the smash into her opponent's body.

I remember watching her playing doubles (with Venus) against Anna K, French Open final 1999, Wimbledon SF 2001. Anna K. was hit by the ball many times. And it was Serena!!..maybe jealousy how Anna K. gets the attention and her beauty!! :angel:

If you knew anything about doubles you'd know hitting the ball into the opponents body is a common tactic, often the best move in certain situations.
Once the Williams sisters were playing Suarez/Ruano Pascual and both teams were hitting the ball into each others body, but only the Williams sisters were criticised for it. In their press conference, Suarez/VRP were asked how they felt when the Williams sisters hit balls at them (obviously the media were trying to stir things up as always), and they seemed surprised by the question, and said, "thats just doubles tactics, we do it too".
The media love to make a fuss about players, esp. women, hitting balls into their opponents, but theres no reason for it to be discussed. Its a legal tactic. The men do it all the time and no one talks about it.
That said, I'm sure Serena's ball in that match was an accident. She hardly ever goes for other players in singles, she tries to hit it away from them. And in any event ASV had no cause to complain, she often did much of the same in her matches.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Nov 28th, 2003, 03:31 PM
LOL - after reading these posts and the emotions behind them, you would think the match was played yesterday.

I remember watching that match and have it on tape and it was a HUGE disappointment for Serena, because at 15-30, she had an easy smash at net, but dumped it into the bottom of the net.

After that, there was no looking back for ASV who was her usual fiesty - never say die - attitude.

It was one of the best matches that year because of drama, first and foremost, attitude from the players (which makes the game better) and just the crowd reaction, because as we all know, French people get in to their tennis matches!



btw - at the time, people were wondering what in the hell was going on, as this was only serena's 2nd clay court event and she was virtually cruising past seeded Dominique Van Roost and ASV.

gmak
Nov 28th, 2003, 04:12 PM
yes she crushed poor dominique 6-1 6-1 in the 3rd round :eek: :sad:

PamShriverRockz
Nov 28th, 2003, 04:49 PM
Ahh happy memories. This match typified Arantxa. There were so many times when she was so close to losing and she'd somehow find a way back. Maybe she won't be remembered as the best technical player ever but she certainly had the biggest heart.

That match is also testiment to what a great player Serena is - to take Arantxa (when she was playing well) so close and at RG too.

They don't make matches like that anymore ;)

THE NET
Nov 28th, 2003, 05:39 PM
SMH @ The Net

it's a legal move. Anna K and Martina were asked about it and they said they had no problem with it.

I play tennis and I am good at it too.
I know what the doubles tactics are.
But, sometimes, to hit your opponents with bad attitude (hit like they want to kill) is a different story.

I think Anna and Martina did't want to talk much about that so they just said that it's the doubles tactics.
Anna and Martina played with different attitude and they did't want to be bitchy with this little thing.

They are the real divas...no need to make themselves to be the Divas!! ;)

raquel
Nov 28th, 2003, 05:51 PM
The things that were said after were said whilst the heat of the battle still burned (how poetic!!) I bet neither Arantxa or Serena even thought about the incident for long after.

Well I have the Eastbourne match they played 2 weeks later which ASV escaped 6-4 in the third, and they both smiled at the handshake. It was pretty friendly considering some of the things they said a couple of weeks before. I also remember when Serena retired in Berlin the next year, ASV or Serena went over to the other one's chair after Serena retired and they had a little chat, so you are right, it was pretty much forgotten and all heat of the moment stuff.

bandabou
Nov 28th, 2003, 06:52 PM
I play tennis and I am good at it too.
I know what the doubles tactics are.
But, sometimes, to hit your opponents with bad attitude (hit like they want to kill) is a different story.

I think Anna and Martina did't want to talk much about that so they just said that it's the doubles tactics.
Anna and Martina played with different attitude and they did't want to be bitchy with this little thing.

They are the real divas...no need to make themselves to be the Divas!! ;)

Pl-uhze!!! When you play doubles, it is a risk to get hit. So all your talk is blah blah...

tennisIlove09
Nov 30th, 2003, 09:53 AM
:rolleyes: please tell me why someone would give me neg. rep for my first post? :rolleyes:

THE NET
Nov 30th, 2003, 11:19 AM
:rolleyes: please tell me why someone would give me neg. rep for my first post? :rolleyes:

See my singnature.

Experimentee
Nov 30th, 2003, 02:21 PM
I play tennis and I am good at it too.
I know what the doubles tactics are.
But, sometimes, to hit your opponents with bad attitude (hit like they want to kill) is a different story.

I think Anna and Martina did't want to talk much about that so they just said that it's the doubles tactics.
Anna and Martina played with different attitude and they did't want to be bitchy with this little thing.

They are the real divas...no need to make themselves to be the Divas!! ;)

Yeah when everyone else does it its just tactics, but when the Williams sisters do it its bitchy :rolleyes:
You dont know what their attitude was so you cant talk.

SerialKiller#69
Nov 30th, 2003, 03:34 PM
Hitting towards the opponent's body may be a legal tactic in doubles but in singles, that's just being unprofessional and rude. Serena does tend to do a lot of that before especially if her opponent is right at the net.

bandabou
Nov 30th, 2003, 04:03 PM
Hitting towards the opponent's body may be a legal tactic in doubles but in singles, that's just being unprofessional and rude. Serena does tend to do a lot of that before especially if her opponent is right at the net.

Really and how does she do that?! Because she RARELY is even at the net, to begin with!! So how can she hit someone at the net, when she ainīt at the net?! :scratch:

Experimentee
Nov 30th, 2003, 04:46 PM
Hitting towards the opponent's body may be a legal tactic in doubles but in singles, that's just being unprofessional and rude. Serena does tend to do a lot of that before especially if her opponent is right at the net.

Its a legal tactic in singles too. Agassi does it all the time and he's one of the most respected sportsmen. In fact most of the men do it, especially when both players are at the net.

Joseosu19
Nov 30th, 2003, 08:16 PM
Its legal, but its frowned upon.