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spiceboy
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:26 PM
http://www.sports-central.org/sports/tennis/articles/article206.shtml

Tennis Not a Top Priority For Williams Sisters

By Tom Kosinski
Tuesday, November 25th, 2003

Right here in this very column back in the end of September, I told you all that Venus and Serena Williams had hung it up for the year. I also told you they may have hung it up for their careers. Well, part one came true, so I wonder...
In reality, the "Sistas" will be back, at least for next year, and probably in time for the Australian Open. They won't be coming back because they really want to, or because they have a huge passion for the game of tennis. No, its purely for the money. Not the money from winning tournaments, but the endorsements and access they gain by being the best and most marketable women on the tour.

Now that Serena has her Aneres clothing line (it's Serena spelled backwards, if you didn't already get it) and Venus has been seen on the runway modeling clothing inspired by her ideas, it's clear that the Williams' time on the tour is very quickly coming to an end.

Since neither of them is yet the greatest of the great and neither has achieved the ultimate in tennis greatness, the Grand Slam, they need to stay in the game. While they both may be very talented off the court, its their on court reputation that keeps them in the public eye and keeps those endorsement bucks rolling in. Without those dollars, there would not be any Aneres, and clearly there wouldn't already be a Venus Williams interior design company.

Watching both Venus, with her "torn stomach muscle," and Serena, immediately after her "knee surgery" strutting athletically on stiletto heels down the MTV Video Music Awards runway, it was clear that neither of them were really hurt. And it is not even clear, at least to me, that Serena even had any surgery, and that neither of them has been too heartbroken over the loss of their older sister Yetunde Price.

For some reason, they are bored, or they just don't care about the game that has brought them the attention, fame, and wealth they currently have. Heck, even Anna Kournikova has made appearances at or near the tennis court for several tournaments and WTA events, even though she is injured and cannot play. Anna K. is the most famous woman on the planet. If she can make time for the game of tennis, certainly the sister's Williams can, too.

I'm bothered by the Williams' lack of respect for you, the fan. I'm mad that neither cared enough to really try and heal in time for the year-ending WTA Championships. I'm clearly not interested in hearing anything from them or outsider dad Richard, especially when it comes to tennis.

Venus and Serena love the off-court limelight too much. Unfortunately, this "rock and roll" limelight they crave is normally not reserved even for these two great talents. Until they understand this, then they will continue to disappoint all of us.

If you didn't know, the WTA Tour season-ending Championships played themselves out this past week, to little fanfare and very sporadic coverage by ESPN. Based on the simple fact that it was carried on ESPN2 and that the hours of live broadcast from the Staples Center are poor for any viewing audience with the exception of in the L.A. area, it is clear to see why most of you didn't even know it happened. Based on the live audience reported by the WTA, it's clear that, at least in La-La Land, no one cares about tennis anyway.

Before I go, I have a quick message for Larry Scott, CEO of the WTA Tour, and the man who got my job. Three simple words: New York City. The Staples Center is so desolate, even during the semis and finals, that it makes the entire championship tournament seem like its played in a morgue. You need excitement. You need an audience. You need NYC. Plain and simple. Oh yeah, and having the Williams Sisters in the mix wouldn't hurt, either...

Hendouble
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:35 PM
Ooh, the responses to this one should be fun and very predictable...

Hendouble
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:38 PM
To pre-empt the (understandably) indignant replies this will get: he has some good points, but suggesting that they aren't too upset over the death of their older sister is clearly dumb. Interesting inverted commas around those injuries, too.

Foot_Fault
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:39 PM
This is a very stupid article...just in my opinion, but he's entitled to his.

Hendouble
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:41 PM
Is it a bit of a wind-up though, on second thought? That sentence "I'm clearly not interested in hearing anything from them or outsider dad Richard" sounds a little too much like a satirical jab at the Williams depreciators to me.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:43 PM
No the funny thing is that the same people who complained about them being boring for tennis, they win too much, this and that, are the same people who are questioning their motivation and dedication to the game.

Thatīs the funny part. This is nothing new...the sisters have never played a full schedule, not even when they were healthy. They come, play the tournaments they wanna win: 4 GSīs, summer events and Nasdaq, win them, and then leave the rest for the common players.

Rocketta
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:51 PM
Haha, that is funny! Especially the part about them not supporting tennis as much as Anna K. :haha:

for-sure
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:52 PM
No the funny thing is that the same people who complained about them being boring for tennis, they win too much, this and that, are the same people who are questioning their motivation and dedication to the game.

Thatīs the funny part. This is nothing new...the sisters have never played a full schedule, not even when they were healthy. They come, play the tournaments they wanna win: 4 GSīs, summer events and Nasdaq, win them, and then leave the rest for the common players.

Ummm, Serena has been the only Williams sister winning anything of late. Venus has remained Slam-less in over 2 years. Why do people keep talking about Serena and Venus as if they were one person?

griffin
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:53 PM
I'm bothered by the Williams' lack of respect for you,

Yeah, yeah, don't do me any favors. :rolleyes:

If this person were a poster, he's be on my "poo-stirring troll" list.

SJW
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:56 PM
i'm wondering about this article.....i thought Serena got dissed by numerous posters cuz she was wearing PUMAS at the MTV awards....

i got as far as there and just :yawn:ed

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:57 PM
Ummm, Serena has been the only Williams sister winning anything of late. Venus has remained Slam-less in over 2 years. Why do people keep talking about Serena and Venus as if they were one person?

Thatīs true, but it still was Williams-Williams for a long time in the slams....but youīre right. Serenaīs the dominating force right now and not Venus.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:02 PM
I can't believe that guy said that V&S were not that upset about their sister's death. What a cold hearted brut. He's also claiming that Serena lied and did not have her knee operated on. what is his problem. Why don't he talk about the aligations of jhh being on steriods. These people can't find anyone else in tennis to talk about? They act as though V&S are the only tennis players. I guess they are the only ones worth talking about.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:04 PM
Say no more, space. Do u think anyone wanna write anything about Justine and Kim?! No, itīs all about the Williams all the time, even if they havenīt played in nearly six months now.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:12 PM
Venus does not like the limelight so this guy clearly does not know what he is talking about.

joao
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:14 PM
This guy must be one of those traumatized people who didn't get their money back at IW ... some few years ago! :rolleyes:

calabar
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:18 PM
This guy must be one of those traumatized people who didn't get their money back at IW ... some few years ago! :rolleyes:


Joao,

I concur.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:22 PM
i'm wondering about this article.....i thought Serena got dissed by numerous posters cuz she was wearing PUMAS at the MTV awards....

i got as far as there and just :yawn:ed



Exactly, she was wearing black Pumas.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:25 PM
Say no more, space. Do u think anyone wanna write anything about Justine and Kim?! No, itīs all about the Williams all the time, even if they havenīt played in nearly six months now.


That's right Bandabou it's all about selling power and V&S got it. I do not care if Kim or justine stay #1&2 in peoples eyes S&V are #1&2. No one talks about the Belgians.

Lady
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:34 PM
Space, believe it or not, but in my country and in Russia noone is talking about the Williams either ;)

Bright Red
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:35 PM
Darned if they play, darned if they don't. Since I can't find the emoticon, I'll just have to --> **yawn**

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:40 PM
They shouldnīt be talking about the Williamses either, when they have 10 or something players in the top 50.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:40 PM
Darned if they play, darned if they don't. Since I can't find the emoticon, I'll just have to --> **yawn**

Just the truth, just the truth!

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:43 PM
V&S generate the most publicity. If they write about other players it will not generate that much publicity and people want their papers, magazines and what have you to sell.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:46 PM
V&S generate the most publicity. If they write about other players it will not generate that much publicity and people want their papers, magazines and what have you to sell.

Yep...sensationalism. I mean, the papers have to sell too and Williams in the papers, is garuanteed to sell.

irma
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:51 PM
this man seems to be really close to them if he knows how they felt about their sister being shot still he is not sure if serena has surgery or not



I know the expression for this man
:cuckoo:

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 08:57 PM
this man seems to be really close to them if he knows how they felt about their sister being shot still he is not sure if serena has surgery or not



I know the expression for this man
:cuckoo:

No kidding, Irma!

Diya
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:02 PM
In reality, the "Sistas" will be back, at least for next year, and probably in time for the Australian Open. They won't be coming back because they really want to, or because they have a huge passion for the game of tennis. No, its purely for the money. Not the money from winning tournaments, but the endorsements and access they gain by being the best and most marketable women on the tour.

Since neither of them is yet the greatest of the great and neither has achieved the ultimate in tennis greatness, the Grand Slam, they need to stay in the game. While they both may be very talented off the court, its their on court reputation that keeps them in the public eye and keeps those endorsement bucks rolling in. Without those dollars, there would not be any Aneres, and clearly there wouldn't already be a Venus Williams interior design company.




Truer words were never spoken before ! Its the sisters who need tennis and not vice versa.




Watching both Venus, with her "torn stomach muscle," and Serena, immediately after her "knee surgery" strutting athletically on stiletto heels down the MTV Video Music Awards runway, it was clear that neither of them were really hurt. And it is not even clear, at least to me, that Serena even had any surgery, and that neither of them has been too heartbroken over the loss of their older sister Yetunde Price.



:tape: I was wondering myself :tape:


For some reason, they are bored, or they just don't care about the game that has brought them the attention, fame, and wealth they currently have. Heck, even Anna Kournikova has made appearances at or near the tennis court for several tournaments and WTA events, even though she is injured and cannot play. Anna K. is the most famous woman on the planet. If she can make time for the game of tennis, certainly the sister's Williams can, too.

I'm bothered by the Williams' lack of respect for you, the fan. I'm mad that neither cared enough to really try and heal in time for the year-ending WTA Championships. I'm clearly not interested in hearing anything from them or outsider dad Richard, especially when it comes to tennis.

Venus and Serena love the off-court limelight too much. Unfortunately, this "rock and roll" limelight they crave is normally not reserved even for these two great talents. Until they understand this, then they will continue to disappoint all of us.



Again very true .......Anna had sone much more for women's tennis than both of the sisters combined !

Calling Richard an outsider dad :loll:


. Oh yeah, and having the Williams Sisters in the mix wouldn't hurt, either...

Classic :tape:

Overall i say its an excellent piece of writing which hits the nail right on the head !

Its nice to see that we finally have someone who is BOLD enough to OUT the TRUTH that many have been saying behind closed doors.

:worship: Tom Kosinski :worship:

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:14 PM
He implied he had the job before Larry Scott. If he is the guy who had the job before Larry Scott no wonder V&S were treated so poorly. His article reveals everything. He hate their guts just like the commentators and most of the WTAworld posters.

I guess people would hate the sisters because there's a lot of jealousy going around. The sisters are unique they are enigmas. I do not think the WTA has ever had two young players who are sucessfull in tennis and in their outside lives. They are college educated, CEO's of their companies, write music, play the guitar, act, design their own clothing, and design for stores, Venus also owns a moving business. Please tell me who in the history of tennis have accomplished this much. They want the sisters to be on the playing 30-50 tournaments a year like some other players. They fail to realized that those other players have no lives. They play tennis and go home and wait until the next season begins. As I said before, V&S are the perfect role models. If any one of you on this board can dispute that go ahead and try it. If there are any parents on this board tell me that you would prefer to have your child follow in Kim or justine's foot steps and not V&S. If you say Kim and justine you would be lying big time. Especially justine.

If Kim or any other player did what Venus and Serena are doing every minute you would hear the commentators praising them, saying how they are running businesses and still sucessful in tennis at every tennis match they would not let you forget it. Instead with the sisters they put them down every chance they get. That's why I love the sisters they pay them no attention but laughing all the way to the bank.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:16 PM
Truer words were never spoken before ! Its the sisters who need tennis and not vice versa.




:tape: I was wondering myself :tape:



Again very true .......Anna had sone much more for women's tennis than both of the sisters combined !

Calling Richard an outsider dad :loll:



Classic :tape:

Overall i say its an excellent piece of writing which hits the nail right on the head !

Its nice to see that we finally have someone who is BOLD enough to OUT the TRUTH that many have been saying behind closed doors.

:worship: Tom Kosinski :worship:


Coming from you this is no surprise. We all know you are a williams hater and a jealous one at that. so whootie doo. Your reply is like a water bucket that has holes.

Infiniti2001
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:17 PM
Truer words were never spoken before ! Its the sisters who need tennis and not vice versa.




:tape: I was wondering myself :tape:



Again very true .......Anna had sone much more for women's tennis than both of the sisters combined !

Calling Richard an outsider dad :loll:



Classic :tape:

Overall i say its an excellent piece of writing which hits the nail right on the head !

Its nice to see that we finally have someone who is BOLD enough to OUT the TRUTH that many have been saying behind closed doors.

:worship: Tom Kosinski :worship:


Diya, how come you seem to have all the time in the world to follow in detail people you constantly put down?? There's not a shed of actual evidence in this poorly written article -- it's just fabricated melodrama , yet you agree with the author. Damn, you're in worse shape that I actually thought . Then again I understand the language barrier if you get my drift :rolleyes: :tape:

SJW
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:21 PM
she loves the sisters really.

she's been rejected one too many times......she's attention seeking

it's really sad she has to resort to that :sad:

lizchris
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:27 PM
If Serena or her people see this article, she should sue for libel becuse this author flat out said she lied about having sugery on her knee even though the WTA and an LA doctor confirmed that the surgery took place.

Serena and Venus shouls also sue regarding what he said about them not being sad that their sister died. How the hell does he know how they are feeling? They were in seclusion for a while, then went out in public again.

The only thing I think that may ring true about this artlcie and that is Venus' injury. I have had my doubts from the time she decided to play Wimbeldon that the tear was that serious because she was playing very well until that doubles match aggravated it, but I think she was well enough to be back on the tour by August.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:28 PM
He implied he had the job before Larry Scott. If he is the guy who had the job before Larry Scott no wonder V&S were treated so poorly. His article reveals everything. He hate their guts just like the commentators and most of the WTAworld posters.

I guess people would hate the sisters because there's a lot of jealousy going around. The sisters are unique they are enigmas. I do not think the WTA has ever had two young players who are sucessfull in tennis and in their outside lives. They are college educated, CEO's of their companies, write music, play the guitar, act, design their own clothing, and design for stores, Venus also owns a moving business. Please tell me who in the history of tennis have accomplished this much. They want the sisters to be on the playing 30-50 tournaments a year like some other players. They fail to realized that those other players have no lives. They play tennis and go home and wait until the next season begins. As I said before, V&S are the perfect role models. If any one of you on this board can dispute that go ahead and try it. If there are any parents on this board tell me that you would prefer to have your child follow in Kim or justine's foot steps and not V&S. If you say Kim and justine you would be lying big time. Especially justine.

If Kim or any other player did what Venus and Serena are doing every minute you would hear the commentators praising them, saying how they are running businesses and still sucessful in tennis at every tennis match they would not let you forget it. Instead with the sisters they put them down every chance they get. That's why I love the sisters they pay them no attention but laughing all the way to the bank.

Say no more, say no more! Thatīs just the way it is!

Brαm
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:32 PM
In Russia you people hardly have anything to eat. I would not expect you all to be talking about the sisters. :)
Xenophobia? :tape: :tape:

vogus
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:38 PM
i agree with most of that article even if it is on the cynical side of things. Venus and Serena don't seem to care about anything other than their own glamor status and promoting an empty, materialistic sort of celebrity that they obviously crave very much. It's a damn shame. Looks like they are going the way of that other pair of "sisters" the Spice Girls, out of tennis...

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 09:45 PM
But with the difference that the last memory of them is: Serena vs Venus at Wimbledon final AGAIN! Anna?! Never won a thing. Martina H?! The game passed her away.

MAJOR MAJOR difference....people still know who are the queens!

*JR*
Nov 26th, 2003, 10:27 PM
Real Sports News is a fictional, satirical sports column produced by a number of unruly and disrespectful "reporters" who are just barely kept in line by their editor, Eric Scherer. For more information, please visit http://www.realsportsnews.com :tape:

PrincessXENA
Nov 26th, 2003, 10:31 PM
I think williams posters get a bad rep because they try to EVER dominat there views on others. I feel like sometimes (from what i can tell) most of the Por-williams are very defensive and go on the offensive when an article is made aboutthere sisters.

I personally dont know why, its just an article, an there were some valid opoints. Theres really no need for harsh retorts.

PrincessXENA
Nov 26th, 2003, 10:32 PM
then again if my fav were spoken about id get defensive too, but i suppose not to that length which i would need to start verbally abusing other people.

mjames
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:21 PM
Real Sports News is a fictional, satirical sports column produced by a number of unruly and disrespectful "reporters" who are just barely kept in line by their editor, Eric Scherer. For more information, please visit http://www.realsportsnews.com :tape:
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!

Kart
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:34 PM
This article cured my insomnia tonight :yawn: :yawn: :zzz:

Infiniti2001
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:35 PM
i agree with most of that article even if it is on the cynical side of things. Venus and Serena don't seem to care about anything other than their own glamor status and promoting an empty, materialistic sort of celebrity that they obviously crave very much. It's a damn shame. Looks like they are going the way of that other pair of "sisters" the Spice Girls, out of tennis...


Oh right, and I'm sure the other players don't crave celebrity and money. Again, exactly why would anyone think their goals were different than any other player's? They've just achieved more of them because they are BETTER PLAYERS, which is what "some" folk can't cope with. :rolleyes: :tape:

Jericho
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:39 PM
I think williams posters get a bad rep because they try to EVER dominat there views on others. I feel like sometimes (from what i can tell) most of the Por-williams are very defensive and go on the offensive when an article is made aboutthere sisters.

I personally dont know why, its just an article, an there were some valid opoints. Theres really no need for harsh retorts.

Oh please, every fan base if defensive about somethings...seles fans regarding seles' retirement, justine fans regarding cheating, kim fans regarding choking...the really strong opinionated williams fans are the ones who post the most...

I really wasn't bothered by this article except for the part about the sisters not caring about their sister's death, now that was just going too far...its like me saying that Seles didn't care about her stabbing, overall, i think "us williams fans" are used to these articles anyways

Cybelle Darkholme
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!


Sorry but I judge people by the company they keep and I will be sure to tell my internet pals to avoid your site.

Yes he is entitled to his opinion even if it makes him an obnoxious bitter jackass.

Rocketta
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:44 PM
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!

well in sports-central's defense when this site went down they were about the nicest site welcoming us in so I understand if you let people write skanky articles as a feature. When can I write my diatribe about Justine and submit it?:hehehe:

ico4498
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:48 PM
Sorry but I judge people by the company they keep and I will be sure to tell my internet pals to avoid your site.

Yes he is entitled to his opinion even if it makes him an obnoxious bitter jackass.

i agree. unfortunately this ploy will drum up some business for the writer's web site ... making it a somewhat effective troll.

Rocketta
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:48 PM
oh dag, I just went over there really have sympathy for them. PierceChang is all over their board. :sad:

My sympathies dude. :hatoff:

*JR*
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:07 AM
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!
Personally, I don't find "obvious" trolls offensive (as long as they don't use true hate speech). Sorry I was unaware of the serious parts of your (family of) sites, though! ;)

harloo
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:08 AM
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!


The poorly writen article is still a reflection of your site since it is posted on the pages you created. I automatically could tell that the article was written by an amateur who had some type of vendetta against the Williams.

I have see many worser articles than this and most of the time I pay it no attention. However, for the author to imply that both the Williams were not grieving over the death of their sister is downright low.

The rest of the article I don't care about, because those are already baseless claims all the detractors have said before, but to joke about a death is no laughing matter.

*JR*
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:16 AM
http://www.sports-central.org/sports/tennis/articles/article206.shtml

Tennis Not a Top Priority For Williams Sisters

By Tom Kosinski
Tuesday, November 25th, 2003

...and that neither of them has been too heartbroken over the loss of their older sister Yetunde Price.
OMG, thanks Harloo, I totally missed this. :o Sorry Eric, a good troll is a hoot even when seeming 2B controversial content, but your writer went WAY ova the line with the quoted words! :rolleyes:

Ballbuster
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:41 AM
What a hypocrite. All his facts were incorrect and yet he still plugs the sistahs.

The article really had no true view.

DelMonte
Nov 27th, 2003, 02:16 AM
I think williams posters get a bad rep because they try to EVER dominat there views on others. I feel like sometimes (from what i can tell) most of the Por-williams are very defensive and go on the offensive when an article is made aboutthere sisters.

I personally dont know why, its just an article, an there were some valid opoints. Theres really no need for harsh retorts.


Hi PrincessXENA,

Hm, like trish101 you don't seem to know the difference between 'their' and 'there'.

Again, 'there' refers to a place, point, moment etc and 'their' is a modifier before a noun. e.g. their house, their opinions...or, as in your case, "THEIR views on others".

OKAY??

SerenaSlam
Nov 27th, 2003, 02:36 AM
my easy response, cuz this is really just another thread to start a thousand posts is :rolleyes:

decemberlove
Nov 27th, 2003, 02:56 AM
well, atleast the last paragraph was right.

Sorry but I judge people by the company they keep and I will be sure to tell my internet pals to avoid your site.


when are you going to grow up and fall off that **** pedestal of yours? :wavey:

not everyone has to worship the sisters. s-c.org has very nice people at it, and they have posted positive articles about the sisters in the past. they are diverse and varied in that field. unlike SOME people.

*JR*
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:04 AM
well, atleast the last paragraph was right.



when are you going to grow up and fall off that **** pedestal of yours? :wavey:

not everyone has to worship the sisters. s-c.org has very nice people at it, and they have posted positive articles about the sisters in the past. they are diverse and varied in that field. unlike SOME people.Holly, I'm sure they do. But isn't the "joke" about Yetunde by the writer going way too far, even for a satire? (I strongly doubt a "lockerroom chat" thread here would say something like that).

fammmmedspin
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:18 AM
Holly, I'm sure they do. But isn't the "joke" about Yetunde by the writer going way too far, even for a satire? (I strongly doubt a "lockerroom chat" thread here would say something like that).

Yep. There is a very big difference between speculating about how long the sisters might continue playing tennis and claiming that they do not miss their murdered sister.

The first serves a purpose - though some evidence and some indication that the writer knew the difference between the concepts of speculation and fact would help.

The second is nasty,hurtful and is based on no evidence. What one person feels for another is inherently unknowable anyway and judging other peoples feelings based on how you think they are reacting when they themselves are going through the shock of bereavement is particularly crass.

beckermeister
Nov 27th, 2003, 04:25 AM
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!

"Watching both Venus, with her "torn stomach muscle," and Serena, immediately after her "knee surgery" strutting athletically on stiletto heels down the MTV Video Music Awards runway, it was clear that neither of them were really hurt. And it is not even clear, at least to me, that Serena even had any surgery, and that neither of them has been too heartbroken over the loss of their older sister Yetunde Price."

There is nothing wrong with writing an article questioning the dedication of Serena and Venus to tennis. There is a problem in making observations or suggestions without having them supported by even the tiniest element of fact. From your (website?) article, one would be led to believe that Serena never had knee surgery or that the sisters weren't too upset over the loss of their sister. Its not a crime to state one's opinions, but is extremely unprofessional to make such "bold" statements without any proof. Are you trying to be the NY Times ? Also, being healthy enough to walk down a runway seems a little different than being fit enough to play tennis at a professional level :scratch:

You didn't offend me, but I am sorry to say that I can judge your website by one article - and the verdict is not in your favour.

PS. humour and satire don't require lies to be successful

~ The Leopard ~
Nov 27th, 2003, 07:01 AM
The article is an obvious troll.

:zzz:

mjames
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:11 PM
Sports Central is not an anti-Williams or "troll" site. We have posted THOUSANDS of articles in over five years and one or two is going to strike a nerve with some people. Want some proof?

Serena's the Hottest Thing, On or Off the Court -- http://www.sports-central.org/sports/tennis/articles/article190.shtml

Different writer, but it shows we have a diverse staff. This site is a hobby of mine ... and we aren't professionals, nor do we try to be. It's simply a place where fans like you and me can voice your opinion. I've put my blood, sweat, and tears into making the site and it's not deserved. I don't even agree with the article myself, and I love the game of tennis. Have a happy Thanksgiving, you all.

lilly
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:20 PM
In Russia you people hardly have anything to eat. I would not expect you all to be talking about the sisters. :)

:rolleyes: I don't know what you mean with that smiley, but your words... jeeez I ain't got no words to answer. I guess all the Russians on this board are looking for food here too?

servenrichie
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:29 PM
I think williams posters get a bad rep because they try to EVER dominat there views on others. I feel like sometimes (from what i can tell) most of the Por-williams are very defensive and go on the offensive when an article is made aboutthere sisters.

I personally dont know why, its just an article, an there were some valid opoints. Theres really no need for harsh retorts.

In what world are you living in when you have been told your injury or sugery was not valid and you are not actually mourning the loss of your sister. Let me ask again, in what world are you living, if you think this article is not from a retarded idiot. Anyway, great minds think alike, they say :tape:

servenrichie
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:31 PM
then again if my fav were spoken about id get defensive too, but i suppose not to that length which i would need to start verbally abusing other people.

Verbally abusing is mild, I 'd kick the idiots ass, if he were near me :fiery:
And dont worry, we dont need mentally retarded people like you, who cant distinguish between insults and truth. :rolleyes:

servenrichie
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:33 PM
Hi,

I'm the webmaster of the site, Sports Central, that published Tom Kosinski's article. Tom is actually a collegiate tennis coach with a pretty good background in the game. While you are all entitled to your opinions, and so is Tom, I wanted to point out that his article is strictly his opinion only and does not reflect the opinion of myself or our site. And regarding the Real Sports News, that is only a small feature on our site added for humor and satire ... some people take things too seriously. I fail to see how that makes us a "troll site." In conclusion, I am sorry if this article offended any of you, but please don't judge us on one man's opinion. We publish numerous articles per week!

If you are not able to distinguish between an article and a trash, then your job is useless. Think of doing something worthwhile :p

Myskina Lina
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:37 PM
:rolleyes: I don't know what you mean with that smiley, but your words... jeeez I ain't got no words to answer. I guess all the Russians on this board are looking for food here too?

We'll see where his smile goes when his favorite players are feeding Russian win columns. :devil:

servenrichie
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:37 PM
i agree with most of that article even if it is on the cynical side of things. Venus and Serena don't seem to care about anything other than their own glamor status and promoting an empty, materialistic sort of celebrity that they obviously crave very much. It's a damn shame. Looks like they are going the way of that other pair of "sisters" the Spice Girls, out of tennis...

Funny, the people who call themselves "the spice girls" of tennis, were given free passes and other people who recognised that there is a life after tennis are being insulted here. Actually vogus, it seems this materialistic celebrity is what YOU are craving for, else you wont be this bitter, that V & S are doing it, while your fat ass could only type insults towards them :o

servenrichie
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:46 PM
Truer words were never spoken before ! Its the sisters who need tennis and not vice versa.




:tape: I was wondering myself :tape:



Again very true .......Anna had sone much more for women's tennis than both of the sisters combined !

Calling Richard an outsider dad :loll:



Classic :tape:

Overall i say its an excellent piece of writing which hits the nail right on the head !

Its nice to see that we finally have someone who is BOLD enough to OUT the TRUTH that many have been saying behind closed doors.

:worship: Tom Kosinski :worship:

Diya, your reply would have been funny, If this wasnt a serious allegation. One thing is sure, you never dissappoint me. With each post you make, you reveal how low your self esteem must be. Actually, I pity you with your hatred and the energy it must be costing you to maintain :tape:

AndyLoefflerCaro
Nov 27th, 2003, 03:53 PM
lol @ Diya , I don't agree that it's a good article but you always make me laugh.

pigam
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:24 PM
In Russia you people hardly have anything to eat. I would not expect you all to be talking about the sisters. :)
:eek: OMG you're dumb and rude !!! :rolleyes:
This post is just sick!

vogus
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:28 PM
I'm not impressed with anything the sisters have done in their supposed lives outside of the tennis court. The Williams need tennis, otherwise the celebrity status that they are so desperate for, is going to dry up like a river in the desert. They'll never be nearly as good at anything else as they are at tennis, so they ought to get back to business.

*JR*
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:41 PM
Sports Central is not an anti-Williams or "troll" site. We have posted THOUSANDS of articles in over five years and one or two is going to strike a nerve with some people. Want some proof?

Serena's the Hottest Thing, On or Off the Court -- http://www.sports-central.org/sports/tennis/articles/article190.shtml

Different writer, but it shows we have a diverse staff. This site is a hobby of mine ... and we aren't professionals, nor do we try to be. It's simply a place where fans like you and me can voice your opinion. I've put my blood, sweat, and tears into making the site and it's not deserved. I don't even agree with the article myself, and I love the game of tennis. Have a happy Thanksgiving, you all.
mj (or Eric, if that's you as well): I knew "from the get-go" that the article wasn't serious. I'll only restate that the writer crossed the "line of decency" re. Yetunde, and someone acting as "Editor" should have deleted that B4 you posted it.

BTW, satire often DOES require "falsification" or it would be a "regular article". The point is that one wouldn't do a satire about terrorists making light of 9/11, for example. While only 1 person was killed here, it was similarly insensitive.

And re. Diya_20 saying that the W/S need tennis more than it needs them: OK. So do Jen, Kim, Juju, Jeca, Dani, Momo, etc. etc. etc..... (As Beckham needs soccer more than it needs him, etc.). So what?

:confused:

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:48 PM
Exactly, it ainīt only the sisters that need tennis....think Jen would be famous for her "history" if she wasnīt a tennis player?! Would Andy, Anna, Andre, etc be anything without tennis?! Donīt think so!

Hendouble
Nov 27th, 2003, 06:41 PM
Real Sports News is a fictional, satirical sports column produced by a number of unruly and disrespectful "reporters" who are just barely kept in line by their editor, Eric Scherer. For more information, please visit http://www.realsportsnews.com :tape:

Aha! I said it was a wind-up... took me a while to work out, though. :o

Freefall
Nov 27th, 2003, 09:10 PM
We'll see where his smile goes when his favorite players are feeding Russian win columns. :devil:


:lol:

Paneru
Nov 28th, 2003, 05:10 PM
The poorly writen article is still a reflection of your site since it is posted on the pages you created. I automatically could tell that the article was written by an amateur who had some type of vendetta against the Williams.

I have see many worser articles than this and most of the time I pay it no attention. However, for the author to imply that both the Williams were not grieving over the death of their sister is downright low.

The rest of the article I don't care about, because those are already baseless claims all the detractors have said before, but to joke about a death is no laughing matter.

I wrote him and here's his response:

I have gotten a lot of interesting "fanmail" based on the article.
Yours is
the only one I am going to address personally. I am glad you wrote,
and I
can appreciate everything you said.

First, I agree that my statement about Yetunde is a little out there.
I
stand by my OPINION (it is not fact) based on some of the many
appearances
Serena and Venus have made since her death (including some very
shortly
after Yetunde's tragic death and some interviews they have given). I
do not
believe that they do not grieve for her, nor that it was painful for
them.
While I could clearly understand their decisions to basically not
finish the
year, especially with that horrible event, it is never cited by them as
included in the issue. Now I understand that if Serena and Venus were
to
withdraw from the tournaments and season ending championships for any
reason
other then injury they forfeit a HUGE pot of money, I think it is
self-serving for them to use the injuries in the way they did to
maintain
their tour status and money. If what I wrote wasn't in large part true,
then
forfeiting the tour money and status wouldn't matter at all.

As for Kournikova, last I looked the marketing and advertising agencies
world-wide have her listed as the most recognizable female face on the
planet, having appeal in European, Asian, Russian, South American, and
Latin
population markets. Her injury, by the way, was documented, and she
did try
to come back from it early, which did impede her performance and
appearances
now. Also, as I said, she still makes the effort to be there to help
out
the tour, including signing autographs in the WTA Tour booths for many,
many
tournaments. She doesn't have to, but she does.

While they clearly currently exceed my personal wealth, that is not my
issue. My issue is giving back to that which gave you the wealth in
the
first place. It may be a generational issue, but fewer athletes
respect the
GAME, and instead solely think about themselves, or put themselves too
many
notches higher then the GAME. Few if any of today's stars in tennis,
and
many other sports, can even name the greatest players in several
generations
or era's, and probably cannot tell you much if anything about the
origin of
the current organizations they subscribe to.

I would love to have the opportunity to ask Venus and Serena some
questions,
especially ones like "Who was Peaches Barkowitz?" or "Whose lace
panties
made a spectacular stir at Wimbledon?" I'd also like to ask them about
how
they think they are giving back or ensuring that the game will continue
to
thrive past their time on the tour. I would even love to get into
their
off-court ventures, like Aneres and Starr Interiors. If they would
even
take my interview. I like the fact that Venus and Serena are well
rounded
and have pursuits that will keep them long past their tennis playing
days.
Yeah, that's right, I actually admire that, as few players today have
that
inclination. Andre Agassi's foundation and charter school is maybe the
best
there is. But after that you have too look really hard to find tour
players
on either side who will be employed and contributing after the tour.

As for everyone calling me a Williams' Sisters hater, I find that
anytime
you write something negative about them, everyone brands you that and a
racist. Nothing could be further from the truth. My love for the
game, and
my personal desire to see many more innercity, disadvantaged and
minority
youth pick up the game of tennis for life is very high. If you go to
the
website for the Harlem Tennis Center you will find links to my articles
which try to help them, and I personally made some efforts on their
behalf
to try to help preserve the best known minority program in the country.
Please, my dissappointment and disagreement with Venus, Serena and for
a
long while Dad Richard has nothing to to with the color of their skin.

The Williams are excellent journalistic targets, and their position in
the
tennis world provides writers like me plenty to ponder. Remember when
father Richard said that the girls should get more for just showing up
at
tournaments because of who they were? That is great stuff to write
about.

Oh, and I did really love your use of the words "ASS" and "sorry ass".
At
least you don't hold anything back.

Please continue to read the columns and comment as often as you feel
necessary. I actually appreciate readers like you more then those who
agree
with me, because I get to see a different side of the issue and usually
get
something different in perspective to help me make my columns even
better.

Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving,

Tom Kosinski

Rocketta
Nov 28th, 2003, 08:37 PM
:lol:

Kabuke, you must of laid him something low to give you that long a response. :wavey:

I especially love the absence of facts to support his opinion other than a feeling, :retard:, and his implication that he's part of any kind of jounalist community. :lol:

Rocketta
Nov 28th, 2003, 08:37 PM
Oh yeah and show us what you wrote him. :hehehe:

bandabou
Nov 28th, 2003, 09:29 PM
:lol: about Anna.....she may have more "lust"-appeal, but she ainīt no inspiration. Who wanna be inspired by a loser?! Winning is the best inspiration and that both Serena and Venus have done more than Anna will ever will.

not even as a presenter she ainīt good. I saw the WMAīs yesterday and she didnīt even know how to pronounce Nile. The person had to tell her that it was N-AI-L and not N-EE-L.

*JR*
Nov 28th, 2003, 10:10 PM
:lol:
Kabuke, you must of laid him something low to give you that long a response. :wavey: Hey, us GoTennis ex-pats kick butt! :devil:

Paneru
Dec 1st, 2003, 02:17 PM
Oh yeah and show us what you wrote him. :hehehe:
Unfortunately, I didn't save it.
However, I simply challenged his accusations and assumptions.
Conveying more or less that nothing he wrote was based on fact but his own personal bias towards the sisters, whom have declined all calls and e-mails from him for interviews. I did however exchange a few more e-mails with him on the subject and I'll post them.

Paneru
Dec 1st, 2003, 02:33 PM
My response to his initial email:

Hi Tom,
Thank you and I hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

All I want to say is, their detractors try and find fault with
anything and
everything these girls do. Forinstance, I'm sure had they stated
Yetunde as
a reason for not competing you'd have people saying they were taking
advantage of her death as an excuse to get out of events. People can
be so
insensitive until their in the same boat.

I think what looks like not caring is something Richard has ensteeled
in
them.
People are going to critisize and critique everything you do so they
don't
try to please everyone but themselves because either way it's a losing
game. And in the end it is about what they want and what makes them
happy.
It seems that certain people don't like the fact that these girls have
been
raised not to appise and appeal to the masses.

I have not mentioned race in anything and I don't think it's apart of
everything bad written and said about them but it's not completely
irrelevant to all the things that have happened over the years.

Yes, Kournikova has appeal but why is it okay for her to do what V&S
supposedly do but she doesn't get slack from people like you. Sure it
promotes tennis, but don't kid yourself into thinking that Anna's
motives
are always pure! I'm sure she would know just as little about tennis
history as you seem to think the sisters know. Why would not knowing
this
type of history show disrespect or lack of it? Does Michelle Kwan
knowing
nothing more of Ulrich Salchow than a jump being named after him show
her
lack of respect?

Venus and Serena can't be everything to everyone and they unlike many
are
lucky enough to have been taught that from an early age. Anyways, all

this is assumption as neither you nor I can say things with all
certainty
unless you know them on a personal level. Only difference is that you
have
a column to vent it.

Nice talking to you and I will continue to read.
Happy Holidays!


His Response:

You make some very good points. Thank you.

As for Anna, I know personally that she does have a great love and
respect
for the game of tennis. I have had the opportunity to meet her several
times over the past years and one thing that I can say with certainty
is
that she has not and will never forget where her "bread was buttered."
Anna
has said on many occasions that one of the things most dear to her is
how
her playing has lead to the now obvious wave of Russian women playing
tennis, and the large number on the tour. Hell, I know she loves the
limelight and all the endorsements (she is no dummy and has answered my
questions about them honestly) but she has said that she will always
have a
tie to tennis, and even when she cannot play professionally anymore she
will
still play the game.

I have no problem with V&S doing the marketing and endorsement thing
like
Anna, and I really believe that Yetunde's death was what really made
them
not care much about tennis in the fall. (I lost my father at a young
age
and I can tell you that any loss like that clearly shifts your
priorities
and has you questioning many things.) Monica Seles forfeited a huge pot
of
money when she refused to play tennis in the season ender when it was
in
Germany. She could have feined and injury and kept the money, but she
didn't. She was honest and stood for principle. As I said, I really
believe that Yetunde's death was actually more of a reason, but to say
that
alone would really put their money in jeopardy. So, while I have no
problem
with them making money, I would really like for them to be a little
more
honest and principled.

As for the MTV thing, they knew they were presenters way before the
Open
came, and they had already committed to doing it before deciding to not
play
the Open. Now, how can you committ to an all night, late night gig
that
hits right during the tournament and still play in it?

Just some food for thought.

Thanks again. I'm glad you will still read the column.

tom


tom!;)


My Response:

Hi again,
That's my point, you've met Anna and talked to her and such so you
know how
she feels about certain things, but you haven't with the sisters and
yet
you assume to know that they have no respect for the game based on
actions
they've taken during a very trying time in their lives.

lso, you assume that both sisters were in good enough shape as far as
their injuries
>to compete and you make this from seeing them walking in stalleto's
nd
such a few times. Neither of us know the real reasons for certain and
I
would venture to guess as it was a combination of both. However, you
accuse
based on assumptions and not facts.

Also, as far as principle and honesty, just how honest is the WTA when
they
sell tickets based on the sisters being in attendance while knowing
that
they would be there? I bought tickets to see Venus play in
Philadelphia and
was sad when she withdraw seemingly at the last minute. Then, I heard
that
the organizers knew for sometime before it was reported. I actually
called
to find out if Venus was in the draw and the lady told me I'd have to
wait
until it came out in the morning papers the next morning. Know why
would
they hesitate to tell me and others that Venus wasn't in the draw?
Something to think about, eh?

As for the MTV thing, Serena was slated to present when it was known
that
she would be skipping the US Open and Venus was added that friday or
saturday before the Open when it was announced she couldn't play.
Remember,
both sisters have been taught not to play when they are in pain and
had
Venus headed this advice and not played the French maybe their
would've
been a chance and she wouldn't have played while injured at Wimbledon
and
may have won it.

It's all water under the bridge now. We all have our opinions and
notions
and people are going to believe what they want.

Ofcuourse I'll keep reading,
I love to debate!LOL

His Response:

Thanks.

By the way, if you can get their camp to return my calls and emails,
I'd
LOVE to interview them?

My Response:

You're Welcome.

Hmm...It's gonna be a tough sell but hey,
stranger things have happened.

Experimentee
Dec 1st, 2003, 02:36 PM
The guy is an idiot. He based serious allegations only on his personal feelings, which are obviously biased by his hatred of them. If I was Venus or Serena I would definitely be suing him for defaming their characters. How does he know they dont care about their sisters death, different people grieve in different ways.
It was totally unprofessional for the site to post that article unedited. Its those sorts of baseless allegations that cause casual fans who know no better to turn against the sisters and boo them at eevry opportunity.

Experimentee
Dec 1st, 2003, 02:43 PM
Thanks for posting the emails Kabuke. Its so obvious that he's bitter about the Williams sisters refusing him interviews! He mentioned it at least twice! Strange how he can be so insensitive to Yetundes death when he himself lost his own mother :rolleyes:

servenrichie
Dec 1st, 2003, 02:50 PM
But guys, dont you know what he wanted all along?
Recognition. He is inviting you to take look at other articles from him. He probably wrote a decent piece and nobody noticed him, so to seek attention he has to cross the line. It worked. They have probably gotten more hits on their site in the lass one week as what they have in the whole year. He even had the nerve to challenge them to grant him an interview. Talk of blackmail. I wouldnt even take him serious enough to write a rebuttal. If he is working for an established oraganisation, then maybe, not scumbags crawling around, trying to make a living out of defaming peoples characters, he has never met personally.

Cybelle Darkholme
Dec 1st, 2003, 03:05 PM
well, atleast the last paragraph was right.



when are you going to grow up and fall off that **** pedestal of yours? :wavey:

not everyone has to worship the sisters. s-c.org has very nice people at it, and they have posted positive articles about the sisters in the past. they are diverse and varied in that field. unlike SOME people.


You are a first class skank. Anyone who keeps company with that thing called ballbuster cannot be anything more than a rabid animal in training. For the record I dont worship the sisters I like them. I do not care for people who bash them without cause and any article that questions the way they grieve for their lost sister does not have any merit but hey maybe you question the way they grieve too. In fact maybe you agree with article. Well that is your right and your welcome to it but it still makes you a dumbass.

kiss off dumbass.

Rocketta
Dec 1st, 2003, 04:42 PM
Thanks Kabuke! He's an idiot! He probably follows Anna K around like he's following a female dog in heat. :fiery: Also, did he question V & S doing an awards show when Anna lost that pitiful match to Widjaja at the Open then showed her tail up at the awards show with her boyfriend and his hand on her ass? Hmm, I guess he didn't question her motives. :scratch:

Also, Anna has to keep some connection to Tennis! Duh! :eek: Its the reason she is a millionaire. Idiot! :mad:

There is not enough money to make me read another assinine word from the idiot. :mad:

Paneru
Dec 1st, 2003, 04:55 PM
Thanks Kabuke! He's an idiot! He probably follows Anna K around like he's following a female dog in heat. :fiery: Also, did he question V & S doing an awards show when Anna lost that pitiful match to Widjaja at the Open then showed her tail up at the awards show with her boyfriend and his hand on her ass? Hmm, I guess he didn't question her motives. :scratch:

Also, Anna has to keep some connection to Tennis! Duh! :eek: Its the reason she is a millionaire. Idiot! :mad:

There is not enough money to make me read another assinine word from the idiot. :mad:

Your're Welcome!(everyone)
He tried to claim the they were slated to appear at the VMA's before they withdrew from the US Open. And was asking how they would've planned on playing and being at an all-evening award show.

I simply told him he was mistaken.
Serena was slated after it made public she wouldn't be at the US Open and that Venus was added that friday or saturday after she withdrew that Friday from the Open.

I was simply pointing out that all he had were assumptions based on his bias and their actions during a very tragic time for them.
We all have opinions and the only difference is that he has a column in which to vent them. I simply countered all of his claims.

Rocketta
Dec 1st, 2003, 05:04 PM
Kabuke, you were much more civil than I could've ever been. ;)

apoet29
Dec 1st, 2003, 05:17 PM
I really think this guy is basing his assumptions on the fact that Venus and Serena have never allowed him to interview them. I sometimes get the impression with sports reporters that they take any perceived snub by an athlete very personally. In his replies to Kabuke, he states that he would love to interview the sisters, but they keep turning him down. It is obvious to me that this article is caused by his own personal issues and not by any fact. How can any person, who has lost someone, have the audacity to say that the sisters are not grieving for Yetunde? I would like to ask him what his reactions were when his father died. Did he stay in bed all day with the shades drawn or did he continue to move on with his life? And what in the world does Anna Kournikova have to do with the sisters? Since when did Anna become a measuring stick by which the sisters should behave? I like all three players, but they are individuals and have to make decisions that work the best for them. This guy is really fooling himself if he doesn't think that Anna's fame is equally self-serving.

This guy really needs to look at what he has written with a fresh eye and ask himself why he wrote such tripe about two young women who really have never harmed him in any way.

apoet29
Dec 1st, 2003, 05:23 PM
Kudos to Kabuke! I have reread your responses several times and you were very articulate in your answers. Perhaps you have given this author something to think about.

topspin
Dec 2nd, 2003, 04:25 PM
Kudos to Kabuke! I have reread your responses several times and you were very articulate in your answers. Perhaps you have given this author something to think about.

Praise to kabuke!

xr6turbo
Dec 2nd, 2003, 04:31 PM
:yeah: :worship:

Serendy Willick
Dec 4th, 2003, 01:26 AM
Opinions are like assholes, everybodys got them. This guy could've at least gotten his facts straight.

1. Serena did not show up at the awards show in stilletto heels. She showed up in black puma tennis shoes.

2. Whats with the Anna K worshipping? If there is anyone whos motives should be questioned, it should be hers. Claiming chronic back injuries but yet playing World Team Tennis (looking very mobile, I might add). While making numerous apperences.

3. Whenever anyone questions the haters opinions, THEY are the ones that bring race into the mix, not Williams fans playing that "your accusing me of being racist because I dont like the Williamses" crapola is bullshyt. They are the ones that bring race into it.