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Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 03:37 PM
Does anyone really know what the fuss about this crappy tournament is? I mean how can people actually enjoy seeing power always winning over ability. If your not built big what chance have u got? Tennis should be based on skill and finesse not how much power someone has. Do not get me started on mens tennis, where if u havent got a big serve u have had it.(Thank god for Hewitt and Agassi) Wimbeldon is the crappest and most boring grand slam in the world. Anyone agree.

hingis-seles
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:32 PM
I am not fond of Wimbledon but not for the reasons you state.

matthias
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:36 PM
I am not fond of Wimbledon but not for the reasons you state.

me too

Kart
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:38 PM
I used to not like Wimbledon because it meant guaranteed ticket inspectors at the station (not that I ever fare dodged :angel:, it's just that they slow you down running for a train). Since they put up the ticket barriers I've gotten used to it.

Now I just have issues with it because of Tim Henman's overcoverage and because the tournament seems to have an overinflated opinion of itself.

Equal prize money and an early exit for Tim and it would be so :hearts:.

*hingis_forever*
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:38 PM
Does anyone really know what the fuss about this crappy tournament is? I mean how can people actually enjoy seeing power always winning over ability. If your not built big what chance have u got? Tennis should be based on skill and finesse not how much power someone has. Do not get me started on mens tennis, where if u havent got a big serve u have had it.(Thank god for Hewitt and Agassi) Wimbeldon is the crappest and most boring grand slam in the world. Anyone agree.
Obviously you don't know tradition!

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:38 PM
Man, some people truely do honor to their nicknames. Crazy_fool?! How aptly named!

*hingis_forever*
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:39 PM
Man, some people truely do honor to their nicknames. Crazy_fool?! How aptly named!
LOL! I know!

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:43 PM
Wimbledon is tradition..it is great. Grass-tennis is the best tennis, too bad there ainīt many grass-tournaments anymore. I like the fast-pace of it. Of course sometimes big-servers may tend to dominate....but when you see players like Sampras and Federer( only for one year, but I think thereīs more to come from him) dominate there, canīt be that bad.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Yes Banana or whatever, i am just expressing my opinion. Who cares about tradition?

Equal prize money and an early exit for Tim and it would be so :hearts:.
God the coverage on Henman is bloody awful, too bad he bottles it every single yr. Same about Rudeski(The great brit) but he hardly ever gets into the 2nd week. Wimbedlon in like a nightmare. Did u know that the ball is in play an average of 4 minutes of every hr at Wimbeldon while 13 minutes of ever hr at Roland Garos. Serve and power aint dominating there, thats where u can see true talent.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:52 PM
Roland Garros and talent?! Thatīs more a test of whoīs more aptitude for the marathon. You wanna tell me players like Bruguerra, Andres Gomez, et al are more talented than Sampras just because he never won Roland Garros?! Pl-uhze!!

alfajeffster
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:52 PM
I guess my response would be who has time to waste on hate? If you don't like it- don't watch it. I don't much care for the current state of the game of tennis, and how it has changed from the days when you would see ralleys on grass in men's tennis. I have learned I can't change this, and I actually enjoy watching how different styles of play work out on all the different surfaces. The French Open is terrific for this- and I think most interesting when you see a natural serve-and-volleyer like Henman or Rafter play on red clay. They aren't too bad on it, and actually have quite a few nice wins over confirmed dirtballers.

Celebrate all the surfaces- it's one of the last remaining spices left in the game of tennis!

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:56 PM
I dont know ive never heard of them. But Sampras was just way too reliant on his serve to win Roland Garos. I'm telling you its such a pleasure to see the likes of Rudeski, Philliposuis et al get knocked out early at RG with their one dimensional games. An example of power winning over talent at Wimbeldon - Agassi v Philliposuis this yr - now we all know who has way more talent but the important thing is - who can serve 50 aces. With women its like if you aint built big what chance do u have.

Kart
Nov 26th, 2003, 04:58 PM
Roland Garros and talent?! Thatīs more a test of whoīs more aptitude for the marathon. You wanna tell me players like Bruguerra, Andres Gomez, et al are more talented than Sampras just because he never won Roland Garros?! Pl-uhze!!

Sergi Bruguera :worship:, he could have been even better if he had believed he could play on surfaces other than clay :(.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:06 PM
I dont know ive never heard of them. But Sampras was just way too reliant on his serve to win Roland Garos. I'm telling you its such a pleasure to see the likes of Rudeski, Philliposuis et al get knocked out early at RG with their one dimensional games. An example of power winning over talent at Wimbeldon - Agassi v Philliposuis this yr - now we all know who has way more talent but the important thing is - who can serve 50 aces. With women its like if you aint built big what chance do u have.

See thatīs the point...you even DONīT KNOW who Bruguera and Gomezis, but based on your thesis they were UBER-talented...they did win Roland Garros, the ultimate talent-test afterall.

I think this is more a case of you hating to see your fav losing.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:10 PM
See thatīs the point...you even DONīT KNOW who Bruguera and Gomezis, but based on your thesis they were UBER-talented...they did win Roland Garros, the ultimate talent-test afterall.

I think this is more a case of you hating to see your fav losing.
Really?! My favourite player is Lletyon Hewitt ok? He's one Wimbeldon so thats not my point. You're not gonna tell me that in the Serena is THAT much better than Henin when she beat her this yr. Cos she beat her by overpowering her, not better tennis. Why cant these type of players cut it on clay - cos its a slower surface which requires u to have more skill and power is much less important.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:12 PM
What this poster is actually saying is that he/she hates V&S.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:13 PM
What this poster is actually saying is that he/she hates V&S.
eh not really, no more so than kim clijsters, capriati, davenport. im actually saying i dont like wimbeldon, not any player.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:14 PM
Really?! My favourite player is Lletyon Hewitt ok? He's one Wimbeldon so thats not my point. You're not gonna tell me that in the Serena is THAT much better than Henin when she beat her this yr. Cos she beat her by overpowering her, not better tennis. Why cant these type of players cut it on clay - cos its a slower surface which requires u to have more skill and power is much less important.

ooh,ooh....Lleyton isnīt talented! I knew it....put him on clay and heīs worthless! Whatīs his best showing again at RG?! A measly qrtr TWO!! years ago!!

Excuse me that Iīve to correct you. But Serena AND Venus too for that matter, have more clay-titles than your beloved Lleyton.

Is it me or havenīt they meet at the RG final last year?! So your theory doesnīt cut it, pal. Sorry.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:17 PM
Its all about this yr though isnt it. No Llyeton isnt as talented as some of the others on tour like Ferrero, Agassi, Federer. Doesnt mean i dont support him. See the Williams won where there was no-one more skillful around, now Henin has arrived they aint gonna win RG again.

azza
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:17 PM
i like it its good for the eyes coz its green coming off that ugly red clay :)

SJW
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:19 PM
Does anyone really know what the fuss about this crappy tournament is? I mean how can people actually enjoy seeing power always winning over ability. If your not built big what chance have u got? Tennis should be based on skill and finesse not how much power someone has. Do not get me started on mens tennis, where if u havent got a big serve u have had it.(Thank god for Hewitt and Agassi) Wimbeldon is the crappest and most boring grand slam in the world. Anyone agree.

tennis should be the best showing how good they are.

Pete, Andre, Lleyton, Venus, Serena, Martina H, Lindsay Graf, of the more recent times Becker, Borg, Navratilova, King etc the list could go on.....only a handful of the GREAT players haven't done well at Wimbledon.

if you wanna see back and forth tennis, i suggest you watch the women at Roland Garros.

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:21 PM
obviously he's never been to Wimbledon

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:23 PM
obviously he's never been to Wimbledon
wrong again! i've been once and believe me i'm never going back. it was so zzzzzzz i mean i saw ivansevic play and boy can u get anymore boring?!

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:25 PM
Its all about this yr though isnt it. No Llyeton isnt as talented as some of the others on tour like Ferrero, Agassi, Federer. Doesnt mean i dont support him. See the Williams won where there was no-one more skillful around, now Henin has arrived they aint gonna win RG again.

Really?! BOTH Williamses have beaten Justine on clay. In fact Venus actually LEADS Justine on clay and Serena is only matter of time for her to do it again, because their matches have only been decided by a couple of points here or there in three-sets...7-6 7-5 in the third, so it ainīt like Justine is THAT more talented than Serena, even on clay!

Last year Justine was there btw, but you want me to tell you a story?! She lost to a girl named Kapros ranked no.230 or something, who has NO serve whatsoever and who hasnīt done anything since, she almost got BAGELED or did she get bageled?! :scratch:

So donīt come with the Justine has arrived stuff. She was always there.

SJW
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:25 PM
i've been once and it was the most amazing experience.

why don't you just go to France every year....we care about whether you like a tournament or not and just want to see you happy

GoDominique
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:26 PM
wrong again! i've been once and believe me i'm never going back. it was so zzzzzzz i mean i saw ivansevic play and boy can u get anymore boring?!
So you saw one match all day ? :haha:

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:26 PM
You tell him SJW. If you donīt like it, stay home then,no?!

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:28 PM
Justine was ill dude i'm afraid. If i remember rightly alot of ppl were picking her to win the title. From this day on i doubt Henin will ever lose to either Williams on clay. Who cares about the past.

And u still havent answered my question about the Wimbeldon semi's - did serena win cos she had better tennis or cos she had more power?

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:30 PM
So you saw one match all day ? :haha:
no Rafter who is decent to watch and venus zzzzz

DA FOREHAND
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:33 PM
One word

BREAKFAST AT WIMBLEDON :lol:


Borg -v- McEnroe

Wimbledon is TRADITION the top of the heap tradition. crazyfool how old are you?
3 OF 4 majors were played on grass at one point.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:35 PM
Justine was ill dude i'm afraid. If i remember rightly alot of ppl were picking her to win the title. From this day on i doubt Henin will ever lose to either Williams on clay. Who cares about the past.

And u still havent answered my question about the Wimbeldon semi's - did serena win cos she had better tennis or cos she had more power?

We shall see, we shall see...but you think that if Justine had given Serena that first-serve and thus a better chance of going up 4-2 40-0 in the third, instead of 4-2 30-15, that we would be having this discussion?!

About Wimbledon. Serena won because she had a better serve, better returns and her groundstrokes were better......so, why did she win?! Because she played better tennis....serve, return, groundstrokes are all part of tennis. Some hit harder than others, but the basics are all there.

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:37 PM
wrong again! i've been once and believe me i'm never going back. it was so zzzzzzz i mean i saw ivansevic play and boy can u get anymore boring?!

thats where you made the mistake of getting a show court ticket

everyone knows the BEST action is always on the outside courts.

been going since 1993 and number of times i've been on center court/#1 is under 10.
i'd rather watch paint dry then go into there.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:37 PM
Roland Garros and talent?! Thatīs more a test of whoīs more aptitude for the marathon. You wanna tell me players like Bruguerra, Andres Gomez, et al are more talented than Sampras just because he never won Roland Garros?! Pl-uhze!!

Roland Garros to me is like the slow class. It gives the players time to catch up, they have time to run down everyball. When you get on the big courts the fast court and grass court that is when the players are truely tested.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:37 PM
Dude, just admit it....you hate it that Henin so far( and may well be never be able to)hasnīt been able to beat either williams on non-clay surfaces and specially not on grass. Thatīs your main problem.

That the sisters are making her look like an amateur the last three years. That sure has to bug you.

6-3 6-2 Serena def Justine
6-3 6-2 Venus def Justine
6-1 3-6 6-0 Venus def Justine.

Those scores are bugging you more than anything.

beckermeister
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Wimbledon is Tennis !

BTW- Why is the ability to hit with power not considered a skill :scratch: If two people hit the same shots, wouldn't the one that hit it harder be the more skillful?

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Roland Garros to me is like the slow class. It gives the players time to catch up, they have time to run down everyball. When you get on the big courts the fast court and grass court that is when the players are truely tested.

Everybody knows that, only Crazy_fool doesnīt.

DA FOREHAND
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:39 PM
About Wimbledon. Serena won because she (had)has a better serve, better returns and her groundstrokes (were)are better......so, why did she win?! Because she (played)plays better tennis....serve, return, groundstrokes are all part of tennis. Some hit harder than others, but the basics are all there.

edited by DA FOREHAND

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:39 PM
Wimbledon is Tennis !

BTW- Why is the ability to hit with power not considered a skill :scratch: If two people hit the same shots, wouldn't the one that hit it harder be the more skillful?


sshh! Donīt tell NOBODY!! :lol:

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:53 PM
Its all about this yr though isnt it. No Llyeton isnt as talented as some of the others on tour like Ferrero, Agassi, Federer. Doesnt mean i dont support him. See the Williams won where there was no-one more skillful around, now Henin has arrived they aint gonna win RG again.


That's what you think. The only way jhh can win RG again is if she cheats and lie again.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:56 PM
Ok well im 16 yrs old so am probably not up to date with all the history as some of you.

Roland Garos doesnt give anyone time to catch up. You have to have skill and variety in your game to win. Like drop shots etc. Its good cos power shouldnt be everything. By the way banandu or whatever i dont know about henin's record against the sisters on hard courts or whatever, i am just judging what i've seen.

And if you think hitting the ball hard is a skill then u must think being built well is a skill as well.

-Ph51-
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:57 PM
That's what you think. The only way jhh can win RG again is if she cheats and lie again.
Wait and see :lol: :tape:

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 05:57 PM
Justine was ill dude i'm afraid. If i remember rightly alot of ppl were picking her to win the title. From this day on i doubt Henin will ever lose to either Williams on clay. Who cares about the past.

And u still havent answered my question about the Wimbeldon semi's - did serena win cos she had better tennis or cos she had more power?

Because she is smarter and she played better tennis. Check those angles out.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:01 PM
One word

BREAKFAST AT WIMBLEDON :lol:


Borg -v- McEnroe

Wimbledon is TRADITION the top of the heap tradition. crazyfool how old are you?
3 OF 4 majors were played on grass at one point.

That kid is no more that 13 yrs old. Can't you tell. He she is probably short and have the same complex as JHH.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Ok well im 16 yrs old so am probably not up to date with all the history as some of you.

Roland Garos doesnt give anyone time to catch up. You have to have skill and variety in your game to win. Like drop shots etc. Its good cos power shouldnt be everything. By the way banandu or whatever i dont know about henin's record against the sisters on hard courts or whatever, i am just judging what i've seen.

And if you think hitting the ball hard is a skill then u must think being built well is a skill as well.

Craz, Iīm afraid you lost this battle. Everybody agrees here that the reason Serena won at Wimbledon was because she did/does everything better. Not because she was big, she just HAPPENS to be big....donīt you think that Justine would like to be bigger-build herself too?! I mean have you even take a look at her....sheīs even flatter than a pancake!!

Some playersīs games do better on clay than others, doesnīt have anything to do with skill or not.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:03 PM
I've got my own opinion on stuff? so what that doesnt mean i'm a kid or whatever.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:04 PM
But it is understandable...youīre so young, maybe you donīt even KNOW what youīre talking about.

space
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:07 PM
Ok well im 16 yrs old so am probably not up to date with all the history as some of you.

Roland Garos doesnt give anyone time to catch up. You have to have skill and variety in your game to win. Like drop shots etc. Its good cos power shouldnt be everything. By the way banandu or whatever i dont know about henin's record against the sisters on hard courts or whatever, i am just judging what i've seen.

And if you think hitting the ball hard is a skill then u must think being built well is a skill as well.

I knew you were a kid and you do not have any idea what you are talking about. Come back when you are couple years older.

Avid Merrion
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:08 PM
Who hates Wimbledon? Not me, but I hate it when it's spelt incorrectly ;)

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:08 PM
I'm not young enough to not know wht i'm talking about. I disagree with u but whatever, u know the williams' aint winning RG again anytime soon.

Grachka
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:12 PM
thats where you made the mistake of getting a show court ticket

everyone knows the BEST action is always on the outside courts.

been going since 1993 and number of times i've been on center court/#1 is under 10.
i'd rather watch paint dry then go into there.

I absolutely agree, TBE, the only good matches i have seen on the show courts have been matches moved from outside courts ;) (i.e. This years match between Obata and Bovina, where power and finesse were very much equally matched Crazy_Fool, either could have won)

I have seen some great matches on the outside courts, and there are ways in which less powerfully built players can use the power against their opponent. The Japanese players in particular use this wonderfully on grass. You are over-generalising.

Tradition is not always a good thing though, slavery was a tradition. Wimbledon can be improved a lot, but it is still by far the most entertaining.

Rant over :)

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:13 PM
I'm not young enough to not know wht i'm talking about. I disagree with u but whatever, u know the williams' aint winning RG again anytime soon.

Maybe......but the chances of one them winning RG again is greater than that of Justine EVER winning Wimbledon.

Besides: which is more prestigious: Wimbledon or Roland Garros?!

Crazy_Fool
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:16 PM
Roland Garos has caught up alot over the yrs but its still Wimbeldon which is kinda the point of my thread!

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 06:28 PM
And what was the point of your thread?! To cry that Justine canīt win Wimbledon, whereas an "untalented" Williams has won RG, before the talented Justine?!

Hendouble
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:01 PM
I would say that the days of Wimbledon being won purely through the serve, ie in the Sampras heyday, are pretty much over. Heck, even Roddick with his huge delivery plays longer points than Sampras did because he doesn't follow his serve in (not that this necessarily produces more entertaining tennis). There were a number of matches this year, men's and women's, on outside and show courts, which weren't won simply with power but through finesse, durability and mental toughness. I always think that the most exciting aspect of grass-court tennis is the big points - the handful of chances to break, the tiebreaks, the setpoints, etc., it's just that you have to sit through a lot of routine holds to get there. The bottom line is that good tennis can be found at every Slam, no matter what the surface.

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:11 PM
Exactly, Hendouble. Anyone who saw Federer play this year and still insist that power wins at Wimbledon is fooling themselves...he beat the two biggests-servers back to back without losing serve hemself once...amazing.

Plus the Serena vs Jen qrtr-final had rallies longer than must RG-matches..31 and 26 strokes rallies on grass?!

SJW
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:44 PM
being 16 is no excuse for being ignorant when pretending you know what you're talking about

bandabou
Nov 26th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Thatīs indeed true, sjw. when you donīt know your stuff, you have to stay quiet.

Pamela Shriver
Nov 26th, 2003, 11:52 PM
I hated playing Wimbledon. Coz I never won. :sad: I love pammentating there, the fans love me.

Snuffkin
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:11 AM
Too right Pammers! I spent much of last Wimbledon searching you out, only to fail. Actually, PamWatch is the best part of Wimbledon, or Pambledon as I like to call it, for me. Being a part of the actual event, camping out, watching obscure legends on the outside courts, getting up close to the major players at such an important event is fantastic.

Roll on Pambledon 2004!

Pamela Shriver
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:30 AM
Snuffers! :kiss: I guess Pambledon and PamWatch has become kinda cult following. You fans are real riots. One year this girl had a tshirt with me on. Pffft not even Serena had that! Sorry I missed ya though, hang around outside the pammentary box next yr and I promise I'll sign and pose for cam-corder footage so you can put me on dvd for eternal worship!

Snuffkin
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:39 AM
Hey Pam, thanks for that. Yeah, you're right, it has become cult to search you out. I was there with 2 different people this year, both of whom wanted to see you. You're such a star. We love you. I often spend most of my day around the Pammentary areas just hoping to catch a glimpse of you.

Hopefully next year I can find you and film you and preserve your image on DVD forever.

Love ya Pammers! :kiss:

Ballbuster
Nov 27th, 2003, 12:52 AM
I've always thought Wimbledon was a bit Tight A$$ed. But since My fave's have a lock on it, why complain. I can't stand the French Open now.

tennisIlove09
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:19 AM
"Who Hates Wimbledon?"

If you someone actually answers this question with a "I hate Wimbledon"...you aren't a tennis fan. How anyone can hate an event is beyond me. You may not like Wimbledon as much as the other slams, but hating it is just wrong?

skanky~skanketta
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:49 AM
CRAZY FOOL, serena played better tennis that day. justine should have used her other skills more, eg slice, volley, but since she beat serena at RG, she probably figured she could rally from the baseline. when it comes to baseline tennis, serena rocks. she did not just go crosscourt, but also DTL and angles. and it wasnt all about her serve. justine was NOT overpowered.

BANDABOU, if you think that one point changed the whole match, you need to think differently, cuz that way, you're respecting serena as well as justine. if it was indeed that one point, are you telling me that serena was mentally frail?please.

i love wimby. the music, the tradition. the things i cant stand about it is the neverending paradorn-henman-rusedski coverage. 3 players i dont like. and i hate that the prize money is not equal.

hingis-seles
Nov 27th, 2003, 05:55 AM
How'd the discussion change from disliking Wimbledon to the Williamses not winning RG ever again? :confused:

Crazy_Fool
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:46 PM
Good question Hingis-Seles.

I do know what i'm talking about and ppl have said so ok. Hitting the ball on fast grass only fro the ball to speed up over the surface is not what tennis should be about. It should be about skill but obvoulsly it isnt anymore.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:49 PM
WHAT is skill for you, you crazy_fool?! If someone is good enough to win Wimbledon, he/sheīll win it...no excuses. Either youīre good enough or you ainīt.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:50 PM
No, VCR.....I donīt think Serena lost that match due to one point. Once she lost that game, it was over.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 27th, 2003, 10:58 PM
WHAT is skill for you, you crazy_fool?! If someone is good enough to win Wimbledon, he/sheīll win it...no excuses. Either youīre good enough or you ainīt.
I like u mate! You argue, just the kinda person i like. I've explained to u already what i think. Henin's game isnt suited to grass cos she hasnt got power, Agassi's game(and prob llyeton's as well) is not suited cos they cant serve massive serves. Does that make any less of a player than someone who wins 5/6 wimbeldon titles? No, i would actually rate all of them higher in the book. See Wimbeldon is only for ppl with a certain build. If u aint got it, forget it!

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 11:03 PM
But thatīs the way its, crazy....if youīre small built youīll have to learn to fight with other weapons.

You canīt fault people for being athletic or something. Because the people I think you wanna fault most for this, the Williamses, have won on clay too and HAVE beaten the more talented( in your eyes) Justine and/or given her DOGFIGTHS on clay...so your theory doesnīt cut it imo.

Crazy_Fool
Nov 27th, 2003, 11:12 PM
No, not really its just about power players - it aint their fault they are built big, it just benefits them big time here. The prime example of that is Davenport - wahts the deal with her?! She won it and she cannot run to save her life, but wait.....she can hit the ball hard.

bandabou
Nov 27th, 2003, 11:15 PM
Thatīs another story.....and thatīs why I donīt understand why people zone the sisters for the power-game. If there is somebody who plays the power-game it is LIndsay Davenport.

The sisters can beat you in many ways because they are powerful, athletic, they have speed, many many weapons. But Lindsay is just: power.

Thatīs why I think that Justine would find it more difficult to beat a WIlliams than beating Davenport on grass...because she beats her in the athletiscism department.

-Sonic-
Nov 27th, 2003, 11:24 PM
My experiences with Wimbledon are mixed.

I've not been to another grand slam, but getting around can be difficult. The outside courts need more seats than they have, its so frustrating to know one of ur faves is the other side of that canvas stuff and that you know you'll only catch the last 2 games of the match by the time the queues go down to sit on that court :(

on tv, the mens coverage is annoying. but where do women get equal coverage anywhere?

non equal prize money is another bad point.

BUT - when I am there I am rushing on adrenaline all day. Pure excitement all day. Nothing like what I get at eastbourne. Theres so much going on all over the place, you just wanna be a part of it all.

also i now have an obsession with their towels.

canoe.
Nov 28th, 2003, 08:29 PM
wrong again! i've been once and believe me i'm never going back. it was so zzzzzzz i mean i saw ivansevic play and boy can u get anymore boring?!
:lol: Yeah,I agree about Ivansevic.I always found him to be incrediably boring to watch.As for hating Wimbledon?Its' not my favorite slam,but I don't hate it.I do find the old guys who run it uptight and old fashioned,but I suppose ppl would refer to that as "tradition" :rolleyes: .It would be nice to see Wimbledon,not come off as so white male country club...even though it is.

SJW
Nov 29th, 2003, 01:26 AM
I like u mate! You argue, just the kinda person i like. I've explained to u already what i think. Henin's game isnt suited to grass cos she hasnt got power, Agassi's game(and prob llyeton's as well) is not suited cos they cant serve massive serves. Does that make any less of a player than someone who wins 5/6 wimbeldon titles? No, i would actually rate all of them higher in the book. See Wimbeldon is only for ppl with a certain build. If u aint got it, forget it!

bulldoody

that's like saying clay is only for ppl who junkball

like Bandabou said...if you're good enough to win Wimbledon, you will

hingis-seles
Nov 29th, 2003, 05:33 AM
Regarding the "power only" theory on grass, I point to Martina Hingis' win in 1997 as the ultimate rebuttal. Honorable mentions: Novotna winning in 1998. Zvereva beating Graf and Seles in straight sets as well as beating Venus in Eastbourne 6-1, 6-2.


And this is just off the top of my head.

Joana
Nov 29th, 2003, 01:26 PM
That's what you think. The only way jhh can win RG again is if she cheats and lie again.

Keep on cheating, Justine!!! Boy, if she could beat Serena win RG just by cheating, imagine what talent that must be! Surely she's the best cheater the game's ever seen! :worship: :worship: :worship:

irma
Nov 29th, 2003, 01:45 PM
I love it. just watching the wimbledon movies on nbc europe reminds me again why

such great emotions
for europe fans who have that channel tomorrow they show 1999.

Experimentee
Nov 29th, 2003, 01:48 PM
And if you think hitting the ball hard is a skill then u must think being built well is a skill as well.

And do all people who are built well and hit hard do well at Wimbledon? NO :rolleyes:
Your posts live up to your name :retard:
If you dont like it dont watch it.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Really, Irma?! Have they been doing this long already?! Iīve been missing plenty of history!!

Experimentee
Nov 29th, 2003, 01:56 PM
...Agassi's game(and prob llyeton's as well) is not suited cos they cant serve massive serves. Does that make any less of a player than someone who wins 5/6 wimbeldon titles? No, i would actually rate all of them higher in the book. See Wimbeldon is only for ppl with a certain build. If u aint got it, forget it!

LMAO, Agassi and Hewitt both WON Wimbledon you know :retard:

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:05 PM
Excuse him, Experimentee....heīs a bit young still.

jenny161185
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:14 PM
I love Wimbledon- It gets great coverage over here and Sue Barker is the best part :)

Experimentee
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:19 PM
BANDABOU, if you think that one point changed the whole match, you need to think differently, cuz that way, you're respecting serena as well as justine. if it was indeed that one point, are you telling me that serena was mentally frail?please.


Serena is and has always been mentally weak. Shes gotten better since 2002 but still her mental weakness rears up again sometimes, especially when she is under pressure.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:22 PM
Yep....sheīs getting to that stage again. Sheīs starting to let people into matches, blowing leads and stuff. No good, no good.

She could stand to improve in that department. sheīs good when sheīs down, but when sheīs to close-out matches, she tends to get tight.

Lady
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:40 PM
I don't like Wimbledon only because Eurosport can't show it, and it means I don't get any coverage :sad:

irma
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:40 PM
Really, Irma?! Have they been doing this long already?! Iīve been missing plenty of history!!

yeah every saturday and sunday. it's at 12:00 tomorrow and 13:00 on saturday
maybe they start all over again when they are in 2003!

Edward.
Nov 29th, 2003, 02:58 PM
See Wimbeldon is only for ppl with a certain build. If u aint got it, forget it!

So, Federer, Hingis, Graf, Hewitt, Bjorg, McEnroe etc. are all built like the Incredible Hulk are they? No, and as people like the Williams Sisters, and Davenport have shown, all types of builds can win, thus proving your statement completely incorrect.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 03:17 PM
yeah every saturday and sunday. it's at 12:00 tomorrow and 13:00 on saturday
maybe they start all over again when they are in 2003!

Thx girlie...I have on the UPC-system, but because it is no.503 I never go that far. I just checked it out..they are gonna show from ī75 till ī00 in december. COOL!!

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 03:20 PM
So, Federer, Hingis, Graf, Hewitt, Bjorg, McEnroe etc. are all built like the Incredible Hulk are they? No, and as people like the Williams Sisters, and Davenport have shown, all types of builds can win, thus proving your statement completely incorrect.

Exactly....this talk about build is non-sense. In the end talent on a surface will always win over power.

Doraemon
Nov 29th, 2003, 06:48 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the Wimby is the least entertaining GS. I don't hate it just generally I find it not as exciting to watch as the other slams. I know it carries so much prestige and history but I really don't care. I don't think the surface brings out the best in the players. Of course how well they handle those bad bounces, slippery surface and rain breaks of course is part of the game.. but all in all, I don't think that surface produces the most exciting game.

bandabou
Nov 29th, 2003, 07:45 PM
This all depends of how your fav fares at Wimbledon. Some people are gonna hate it because their favs canīt win it.