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Mister B
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:25 AM
I heard that during that match of the US Open 1997 SF, both players bumped themselves during a changeover? Is there someone who saw it and can explain what happened exactly??

thanks!

GoDominique
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:29 AM
Not again. :bolt:

pReUrBrIyN
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:33 AM
Spirlea is a racist bitch, so she wanted to throw Venus off, and then she rammed her.

Thats basically it... :)

GoDominique
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:36 AM
OK here you go:

blah blah all Spirlea's fault blah blah match-point blah unbelievable passing-shot blah blah "the f*cking Venus Williams" blah blah "big white turkey" blah Venus went on to win slams blah blah Spirlea sucked and retired blah.

Martian Willow
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:39 AM
...yeah...Richard Willyums called Irena a white turkey so obviously she is the racist... :)

Diya
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:40 AM
OK here you go:

blah blah all Spirlea's fault blah blah match-point blah unbelievable passing-shot blah blah "the f*cking Venus Williams" blah blah "big white turkey" blah Venus went on to win slams blah blah Spirlea sucked and retired blah.


:lol:

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:41 AM
Talk about old news....

but it was so great, it must be relived. Basically, venus had made some sort of statement about her being, "the funky Venus Williams".

Mistake.

Irina's Romanian, you see. So she slightly misinterpreted what Venus had to say, leading to the immortal, "She thinks she's the fucking Venus Williams," quote.

This was all quite shocking. Anyhow, they match went on, and during a changeover there was a bump! Who knows who was *really* at fault (if anybody). Neither player moved, just walked into each other. 'Course, the Williams fans will tell you it was all a diabolical Spirlea plot. But it could just as easily have been a blameless incident.

Anyway, Venus won the match (by an inch), and Richard weighed in too, calling Spirlea, "the big white turkey," which happened to be THE ONLY THING RACIST ABOUT THE ENTIRE THING. So put that race card in your pipe and smoke it.

Mister B
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:45 AM
Thank you hey_britney for clearing that up for me!

disposablehero
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:47 AM
It was Spirlea's fault and deliberate. However, there is zero evidence that it was racially motivated other than that is how many people prefer to perceive it.

Deira
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:50 AM
Well .... hey_britney left out the fact that Spirlea grinned like SHE has done something great. Meanwhile at the press conference someone brought up the "bump" and Venus wasn't even aware of it. She was totally focused on the match. I have this on tape and Spirlea clearly instigated the whole thing.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:52 AM
Well .... hey_britney left out the fact that Spirlea grinned like SHE has done something great. Meanwhile at the press conference someone brought up the "bump" and Venus wasn't even aware of it. She was totally focused on the match. I have this on tape and Spirlea clearly instigated the whole thing.

Speculation.

and I find it hard to believe Venus wasn't aware she had bumped into Irina during the changeover, lol. Clearly she just didn't want to talk about it.

and you left out the part where you posted "but turkey's are white so it's not racist" in this thread but had it deleted.

slice
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:54 AM
ive seen it and it was actually venus' fault IMO-she just expected spirlea to move 4 her and so just rammed straight in2 her. :o

Deira
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:00 AM
Your right about the white turkey thing hey_britney. I was raised in a rural area during my early years. We had turkeys and underneath all those feathers, they were white. I realized I could be misintrepreted so I deleted it. No offense meant or was intended. Venus evidently did not see this as a big thing at the time, or maybe she wasn't aware that it was intentional ... which it definitely was.

slice
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:00 AM
just a small point of view chandarubin or wateva ur name is, just becoz some player does not like either venus or serena does not mean she is racist. :rolleyes:

Bezz
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:02 AM
I really wish someone could post a clip of that incident, like someone did when venus and capriati had that staredown.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:05 AM
Oh shut up everyone,

we all know she was a racist bitch, after all Venus and Serena were one of the few black players on the tour, and everyone hated their beads :p

and besides Romanian's are known for being racist, or at least anti-semtic, :p i know i'm going to be bad repped for this but i'm not going to stop by biting my lip anymore

bad repped? you should be banned for that racist bile.

Amazing how racist people can be while supposedly decrying racism.

Martian Willow
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:06 AM
Oh shut up everyone,

we all know she was a racist bitch, after all Venus and Serena were one of the few black players on the tour, and everyone hated their beads :p

and besides Romanian's are known for being racist, or at least anti-semtic, :p i know i'm going to be bad repped for this but i'm not going to stop by biting my lip anymore


...Spirlea hated everyone, not just black people... :)

GoDominique
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:07 AM
...Spirlea hated everyone, not just black people... :)
And I loved her. :hearts:

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:15 AM
Speculation.

and I find it hard to believe Venus wasn't aware she had bumped into Irina during the changeover, lol. Clearly she just didn't want to talk about it.

and you left out the part where you posted "but turkey's are white so it's not racist" in this thread but had it deleted.

There's no speculation about Spirlea's big grin, and I mean BIG.

I've seen the match, in fact, I've seen it recently, and there is no doubt in my mind that Spirlea intentionally ran into Venus, no doubt in my mind.

Spirlea, if you watch the tapes over, put her head down, but in such a way that she can still look up, and she was looking for where Venus was going. Venus almost got by her, but of course, Spirlea went the extra inch to hit her. Venus' reaction said it all, like "Woo, Where are you going?" Then continued on her way.

Spirlea, of course, then had the biggest smile in the world during the changeovers, and may have even laughed.

Deira
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:17 AM
I don't know how racist Spirlea was, but to me she definitely had an attitude when she so blatently(sp) bumped Venus. The fact that she found it so funny all the way to her chair made it clear that it was no accident. Even while sitting down, she was still grinning and looking into the stands at ... I guess her coach. I wish somebody could post that clip too. Needless to say I was happy to see Venus whip that a*s even though Venus was pretty new to the tour.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:19 AM
There's no speculation about Spirlea's big grin, and I mean BIG.

I've seen the match, in fact, I've seen it recently, and there is no doubt in my mind that Spirlea intentionally ran into Venus, no doubt in my mind.

Spirlea, if you watch the tapes over, put her head down, but in such a way that she can still look up, and she was looking for where Venus was going. Venus almost got by her, but of course, Spirlea went the extra inch to hit her. Venus' reaction said it all, like "Woo, Where are you going?" Then continued on her way.

Spirlea, of course, then had the biggest smile in the world during the changeovers, and may have even laughed.

Speculation.

but does it really matter whether it was plotted or not?

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:20 AM
Speculation.

but does it really matter whether it was plotted or not?

It's not speculation, it's what I saw with my own two eyes, not to mention many camera angles.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:21 AM
It's not speculation, it's what I saw with my own two eyes, not to mention many camera angles.

I know, and what YOU saw and what YOU think is speculation. Because you don't really know.

Volcana
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:23 AM
It's not speculation, it's what I saw with my own two eyes, not to mention many camera angles.

Does it matter? Venus' career did nothing but fly after that, while Spirlea's crashed. Justice enough.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:24 AM
Does it matter? Venus' career did nothing but fly after that, while Spirlea's crashed. Justice enough.

Justice for what? Having the gall not to like somebody?

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:25 AM
I know, and what YOU saw and what YOU think is speculation. Because you don't really know.

Seeing things is not speculation. She ran into Venus, and she did it intentionally. There's nothing speculative about it. Venus had already passed the umpire when Spirlea took that extra inch to hit her.

And there is nothing speculative about her grin. She smiled as if it was going to be the last time she smiled.

Her smile definitely gives away her intentions, and if you're too foolish to see that, you're only kidding yourself.

Are you honestly going to tell me you think Venus was the one who instigated it??

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:27 AM
Justice for what? Having the gall not to like somebody?

It was the justice Venus received and Spirlea received due to the incident.

Spirlea was punished by having a downward spiral to her career, while Venus was rewarded because she handled it with class.

¤CharlDa¤
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:28 AM
I agree that it was intentionnal and that Venus had nothing to do with it!

GoDominique
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:29 AM
The clip please

Martian Willow
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:36 AM
...I wanna see it too... :)

esquímaux
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:41 AM
yes, someone break out the clip please!

Jericho
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:43 AM
Yeah, im pretty convinced that it was intentional on Spirlea's part otherwise she would've either acted like nothing happened or gave Venus a dirty look because she thought Venus bumped into her...but no she smiled, and if she did it on purpose it was pretty childish of her...who cares anyways Venus went on to do better things while Spirlea...well...didnt

MAURO
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:44 AM
I heard that during that match of the US Open 1997 SF, both players bumped themselves during a changeover? Is there someone who saw it and can explain what happened exactly??

thanks!

i saw it

it was unbelievable
they crashed and looked vey nasty

Knizzle
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:53 AM
...yeah...Richard Willyums called Irena a white turkey so obviously she is the racist... :)

Before or AFTER what she did?? And he apologized, did Spirlea apologize to Venus for things she said about her?? NO?? I didn't think so. You need to get off this devil's advocate bullshit. It's getting old.

Volcana
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:00 AM
Justice for what? Having the gall not to like somebody?

For deciding to get physical about it. Anytime you choose to get physical, 'justice' may involve an asskicking.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:00 AM
Seeing things is not speculation. She ran into Venus, and she did it intentionally. There's nothing speculative about it. Venus had already passed the umpire when Spirlea took that extra inch to hit her.

And there is nothing speculative about her grin. She smiled as if it was going to be the last time she smiled.

Her smile definitely gives away her intentions, and if you're too foolish to see that, you're only kidding yourself.

Are you honestly going to tell me you think Venus was the one who instigated it??

LOL. yes there is. you DON'T KNOW what either of their intentions are. What's foolish is to assume you do.

and i never said venus instigiated it.

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:01 AM
I like Brit....he/ she´s so funny. He/she will see someone stab a person with a butcher´s knife and say it wasn´t intentional. It was speculative to what people saw. Sooo innocent!

In the end it doesn´t matter anyways. Venus reached the final, even that was more than Irina achieved in her career, and went on to win 4 slams, reach no.1. Not bad!

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:01 AM
It was the justice Venus received and Spirlea received due to the incident.

Spirlea was punished by having a downward spiral to her career, while Venus was rewarded because she handled it with class.

I don't think it's that dramatic.

Knizzle
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:01 AM
Here's what Venus said about it:

Q. 4-3 in the second set, at the changeover chair, you and Spirlea bumped into each other. She was pretty upset about it when she was in here, put the blame on you for the collision. What was your view of it?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I'm not having any injuries from that bump (laughter). I think we just both weren't looking. I think we both were just concentrating on trying to stay in the match and trying to win the match. I mean, I really wasn't even thinking about that. So I'm sorry she feels that way. It's not really a big thing to me.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:03 AM
For deciding to get physical about it. Anytime you choose to get physical, 'justice' may involve an asskicking.

Well again, volcana. Whether she decided to get physical or merely accidentally embroiled herself in physical conduct, we don't know.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:03 AM
I like Brit....he/ she´s so funny. He/she will see someone stab a person with a butcher´s knife and say it wasn´t intentional. It was speculative to what people saw. Sooo innocent!

In the end it doesn´t matter anyways. Venus reached the final, even that was more than Irina achieved in her career, and went on to win 4 slams, reach no.1. Not bad!

I think you're funny too, you and the rest of your ilk. It's funny how you both portend to know things you can't possibly know.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:04 AM
Here's what Venus said about it:

Q. 4-3 in the second set, at the changeover chair, you and Spirlea bumped into each other. She was pretty upset about it when she was in here, put the blame on you for the collision. What was your view of it?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I'm not having any injuries from that bump (laughter). I think we just both weren't looking. I think we both were just concentrating on trying to stay in the match and trying to win the match. I mean, I really wasn't even thinking about that. So I'm sorry she feels that way. It's not really a big thing to me.

"I think we just both weren't looking."

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:04 AM
I like Brit....he/ she´s so funny. He/she will see someone stab a person with a butcher´s knife and say it wasn´t intentional. It was speculative to what people saw. Sooo innocent!


It could have been the Boogie Man in disguise, you never know.

I guess everything I have said was speculative. :o

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:06 AM
Sure, Brit....you wanna makes us believe that it wasn´t intentional, saying we don´t know. But then the question is: How do YOU know it WASN´T intentional?! Did you speak with Irina?!

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:07 AM
"I think we just both weren't looking."

This is called CLASS and trying to make nothing out if it.

Would you imagine what they would have said if Venus proclaimed that Spirlea did it intentionally??

You should definitely be a defense attourney, because you are all bullshit.

Anyone who is alive could see who the culprit was, but you can't. :lol:

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:07 AM
Sure, Brit....you wanna makes us believe that it wasn´t intentional, saying we don´t know. But then the question is: How do YOU know it WASN´T intentional?! Did you speak with Irina?!

Never said it wasn't. I said you can't know, so leave your knives at home.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:08 AM
This is called CLASS and trying to make nothing out if it.

Would you imagine what they would have said if Venus proclaimed that Spirlea did it intentionally??

You should definitely be a defense attourney, because you are all bullshit.

Anyone who is alive could see who the culprit was, but you can't. :lol:

I should be a defense attorney. I clearly understand these things so much better than most.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:09 AM
Never said it wasn't. I said you can't know, so leave your knives at home.

We have no proof OJ killed his ex-wife, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows he did.

I'm interested to hear what your opinion of the situation is?? Stop avoiding the question.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:09 AM
It could have been the Boogie Man in disguise, you never know.

I guess everything I have said was speculative. :o

What you say is not speculative .... what's speculative is the motives you're reading into what you saw. As you don't have any way of knowing what they really were.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:09 AM
We have no proof OJ killed his ex-wife, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows he did.

I'm interested to hear what your opinion of the situation is?? Stop avoiding the question.

Actually, we do have lots of proof OJ killed his wife, lol.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:10 AM
I should be a defense attorney. I clearly understand these things so much better than most.

Interesting, I have as much respect for you as I do have for a defense attourney, because all they ever try to do is wiggle out of the truth and fabricate scenarios that make no sense.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:10 AM
And my opinion is quite obvious. I'm not sure. She might have meant to, or not. I don't know, and unlike you, I'm not going to pretend I do or pass my opinions off as fact.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:11 AM
What you say is not speculative .... what's speculative is the motives you're reading into what you saw. As you don't have any way of knowing what they really were.

Where have I mentioned motive anywhere??

Spirlea bumped into Venus, not vice versa. I have said nothing about why she bumped into her, just that she was the one who instigated the bump.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:11 AM
Interesting, I have as much respect for you as I do have for a defense attourney, because all they ever try to do is wiggle out of the truth and fabricate scenarios that make no sense.

You don't like being proved wrong, huh.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:12 AM
Where have I mentioned motive anywhere??

Spirlea bumped into Venus, not vice versa. I have said nothing about why she bumped into her, just that she was the one who instigated the bump.

There. You admit that you think she intentionally bumped her, so you are portending to know her motives behind her actions.

Knizzle
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:12 AM
You seem to be the only person in the world who believes Spirlea didn't do that intentionally, hey_britney. If you read ANY article it will say that Spirlea bumped into Venus. You will NEVER find anyone who reports that Venus intentionally bumped Spirlea.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:13 AM
And my opinion is quite obvious. I'm not sure. She might have meant to, or not. I don't know, and unlike you, I'm not going to pretend I do or pass my opinions off as fact.

Or maybe it's that you know what we are saying is true, but you're a Venus hater/Spirlea lover so you won't admit it.

I have no proof, but it sure does seem you don't like the Williams that much, and that sure is proof enough for me that you will do anything to disprove a fan of theirs. :D

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:14 AM
You seem to be the only person in the world who believes Spirlea didn't do that intentionally, hey_britney. If you read ANY article it will say that Spirlea bumped into Venus. You will NEVER find anyone who reports that Venus intentionally bumped Spirlea.

And you seem to be living up your reputation as a moron. I never said i thought it wasn't intentional. I said I thought it can't be known. And it can't be.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:14 AM
There. You admit that you think she intentionally bumped her, so you are portending to know her motives behind her actions.

Nor did I ever "portend" to know the motives behind the bump. Go read all of my posts, never mentioned why Spirlea did it EVER.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Or maybe it's that you know what we are saying is true, but you're a Venus hater/Spirlea lover so you won't admit it.

I have no proof, but it sure does seem you don't like the Williams that much, and that sure is proof enough for me that you will do anything to disprove a fan of theirs. :D

Well, it's not my fault you guys are so wrong so often. Just how it works out.

Why is it so hard to admit that whatever you think is just unfounded speculation? You don't know what was going on in Irina's mind, so why pretend you do?

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Yeah and then come around saying that there´s plenty of proof that OJ killed his wife. Didn´t the judge declare him innocent?!

Be consistent, pal!

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:16 AM
Well, it's not my fault you guys are so wrong so often. Just how it works out.

Why is it so hard to admit that whatever you think is just unfounded speculation? You don't know what was going on in Irina's mind, so why pretend you do?

Why is it so hard to admit that Spirlea intentionally hit Venus?? Everyone else with two eyes see's that, but you can't. It's not rocket science you know.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:17 AM
Nor did I ever "portend" to know the motives behind the bump. Go read all of my posts, never mentioned why Spirlea did it EVER.

Already read your posts. Let's not split hairs.

You're assuming to know what you don't. You're speculating and passing it off as fact. You might be right, you might be wrong. But one thing's for sure, you don't know for sure.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:18 AM
Yeah and then come around saying that there´s plenty of proof that OJ killed his wife. Didn´t the judge declare him innocent?!

Be consistent, pal!

No, the judge declared nothing.

The jury declared him innocent, and then another convicted him.

Which is all beside the point. Whether or not OJ was convicted does not mean there wasn't evidence he did it. the debate was whether it was sufficient evidence.

Now ... how is THAT inconsistent?

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:19 AM
Why is it so hard to admit that Spirlea intentionally hit Venus?? Everyone else with two eyes see's that, but you can't. It's not rocket science you know.

LOL. This is like talking to a brick wall. Of course, you can see in Irina Spirlea's head. How silly of me.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:20 AM
Already read your posts. Let's not split hairs.

You're assuming to know what you don't. You're speculating and passing it off as fact. You might be right, you might be wrong. But one thing's for sure, you don't know for sure.

The only one who is not positive of what I believe is you. I KNOW Spirlea intentionally hit Venus, and I don't need to prove it, because anyone with two eyes should be able to tell.

The whole judging and court system is always speculative. You never truly know for sure. What if someone planted DNA evidence?? What if the glove was planted?? What if...??

You can never have all the proof you need, but you do know it.

Knizzle
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:20 AM
AHA!!! We have an admission of motive out of Spirlea's mouth.

Q. Can you tell us about the collision at the changeover chair at 4-3 in the second set? What was that all about?

IRINA SPIRLEA: I'm not going to move. I mean, she's never trying to turn or whatever. She thinks she's the fucking Venus Williams. She not going to turn. She just went like this. I was like, "I want to see if she's turning." She didn't, so.

Q. So maybe we could kind of be led to believe you don't really care for her too much, personally?

IRINA SPIRLEA: Pardon?

Q. You don't care for her too much, personally, we can be led to believe that?

IRINA SPIRLEA: You know, it's not like we are enemies. Like when we leave, we cannot say hi, you just walk, you know, it's like (indicating). I'm not going to ask, you know, to say hi on the court. But at least turn at the changeover or something, because it can be the same time you cross the court. You just turn or something. I've done all the time, I turn. But she just walks. I wanted to see, you know, if she's going to turn. She didn't.

Q. So it's a matter of respect?

IRINA SPIRLEA: I think so. I mean, I think so.

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I think it's pretty clear cut that she purposely went towards Venus to see if Venus was "going to turn" as she calls it. Venus didn't turn so Spirlea bumped into her.

Hey_britney if you argue against Spirlea's own words then we really know what YOUR motives are.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:22 AM
The only one who is not positive of what I believe is you. I KNOW Spirlea intentionally hit Venus, and I don't need to prove it, because anyone with two eyes should be able to tell.

The whole judging and court system is always speculative. You never truly know for sure. What if someone planted DNA evidence?? What if the glove was planted?? What if...??

You can never have all the proof you need, but you do know it.

You don't have any evidence, so there is no way to tell. You're SPECULATING. You're OPINING, and then stating your opinion as fact. That is what you're doing. You don't know a damn thing.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:22 AM
AHA!!! We have an admission of motive out of Spirlea's mouth.

Q. Can you tell us about the collision at the changeover chair at 4-3 in the second set? What was that all about?

IRINA SPIRLEA: I'm not going to move. I mean, she's never trying to turn or whatever. She thinks she's the fucking Venus Williams. She not going to turn. She just went like this. I was like, "I want to see if she's turning." She didn't, so.

Q. So maybe we could kind of be led to believe you don't really care for her too much, personally?

IRINA SPIRLEA: Pardon?

Q. You don't care for her too much, personally, we can be led to believe that?

IRINA SPIRLEA: You know, it's not like we are enemies. Like when we leave, we cannot say hi, you just walk, you know, it's like (indicating). I'm not going to ask, you know, to say hi on the court. But at least turn at the changeover or something, because it can be the same time you cross the court. You just turn or something. I've done all the time, I turn. But she just walks. I wanted to see, you know, if she's going to turn. She didn't.

Q. So it's a matter of respect?

IRINA SPIRLEA: I think so. I mean, I think so.

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I think it's pretty clear cut that she purposely went towards Venus to see if Venus was "going to turn" as she calls it. Venus didn't turn so Spirlea bumped into her.

Hey_britney if you argue against Spirlea's own words then we really know what YOUR motives are.

You know he'll find an excuse.

We don't know what she truly means. ;)

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:23 AM
AHA!!! We have an admission of motive out of Spirlea's mouth.

Q. Can you tell us about the collision at the changeover chair at 4-3 in the second set? What was that all about?

IRINA SPIRLEA: I'm not going to move. I mean, she's never trying to turn or whatever. She thinks she's the fucking Venus Williams. She not going to turn. She just went like this. I was like, "I want to see if she's turning." She didn't, so.

Q. So maybe we could kind of be led to believe you don't really care for her too much, personally?

IRINA SPIRLEA: Pardon?

Q. You don't care for her too much, personally, we can be led to believe that?

IRINA SPIRLEA: You know, it's not like we are enemies. Like when we leave, we cannot say hi, you just walk, you know, it's like (indicating). I'm not going to ask, you know, to say hi on the court. But at least turn at the changeover or something, because it can be the same time you cross the court. You just turn or something. I've done all the time, I turn. But she just walks. I wanted to see, you know, if she's going to turn. She didn't.

Q. So it's a matter of respect?

IRINA SPIRLEA: I think so. I mean, I think so.

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I think it's pretty clear cut that she purposely went towards Venus to see if Venus was "going to turn" as she calls it. Venus didn't turn so Spirlea bumped into her.

Hey_britney if you argue against Spirlea's own words then we really know what YOUR motives are.

So she says what I said in the beginning. Neither of them moved.

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:24 AM
So she says what I said in the beginning. Neither of them moved.

OMG, the excuses keep coming. :lol: :lol:

The girl blatantly admitted she bumped into Venus to see if Venus would move, and he still comes with an excuse.

:lol: :lol:

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:24 AM
If there was sufficient evidence wouldn´t he have been considered guilty?!

To me: Insuficient evidence is NO evidence, because the result is the same anyways.

hey_britney
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:24 AM
Well, thanks Williams fans. As usual, it has been fun slaying the lot of you in another friendly debate. Let's do it again sometime.

Mister B
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:25 AM
Thanks for the interview Knizzle! I think it says it all!

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:26 AM
Brit...if she says: I´m not gonna turn, doesn´t she actually say I´m gonna bump?!

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:26 AM
Well, thanks Williams fans. As usual, it has been fun slaying the lot of you in another friendly debate. Let's do it again sometime.

You were saying something about proving us wrong?? And that we didn't know something or other?? What was that again??

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Knizzle
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:28 AM
Well, thanks Williams fans. As usual, it has been fun slaying the lot of you in another friendly debate. Let's do it again sometime.

Leaving so soon?? What happened to your case, council?? Hung jury?? Mistrial?? Technicality?? :confused: :tape: :lol:

Jericho
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:29 AM
LoL, hey_britney always gets sucked into an argument regarding the Williams sisters...tell me this hey_britney, who is your fave? i really dont care, but maybe you should spend more time discussing them...or maybe you're just obsessed with Venus and Serena??? Most people get the point when no one else is defending them :tape:

LeonHart
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:59 AM
Lemme get this straight. So if VENUS was the one who smiled and giggled after that incident, then it was HER fault?! What kinda observation is this?!

Venus Forever
Nov 24th, 2003, 03:17 AM
Lemme get this straight. So if VENUS was the one who smiled and giggled after that incident, then it was HER fault?! What kinda observation is this?!

That's only one piece of the puzzle.

If that's the only thing Venus, Spirlea, or whoever did, no, it's not enough to put the fault on them. It's everything that Spirlea did and said that the blame falls on her.

First, Venus already passed the net post when they collided, which gives Spirlea no reason to have to avoid Venus. There was no small space that they had to avoid each other. Venus was clearly walking to her chair.

Then, add the fact that Spirlea laughed about it, even right after she did it.

Then add the fact of what she said in the press conference.

The fact that she laughed is not the only thing that incriminated her, it was a few things.

moby
Nov 24th, 2003, 04:37 AM
maybe she laughed not because she bumped venus on purpose, but because she thought that it was another point to bring up on how venus is arrogant (because she refused to give way to her?)

Martian Willow
Nov 24th, 2003, 04:38 AM
Before or AFTER what she did?? And he apologized, did Spirlea apologize to Venus for things she said about her?? NO?? I didn't think so. You need to get off this devil's advocate bullshit. It's getting old.


...I'm afraid I can't quite see how any of this is relevant to my point...beyond suggesting Richard was wrong to assign a racist motivation to Irinas' actions (ie he apologised)...which is what I said... :)

Knizzle
Nov 24th, 2003, 05:09 AM
...I'm afraid I can't quite see how any of this is relevant to my point...beyond suggesting Richard was wrong to assign a racist motivation to Irinas' actions (ie he apologised)...which is what I said... :)

What does what Richard had to say about the situation have anything to do with this thread in general??? You brought Richard's name into it all on your own. The thread is about a bump between Venus and Irina, not comments that Richard made.

Chance
Nov 24th, 2003, 06:33 AM
Darn so no one can post a clip of the bump.

I can't really remember it, but at the time I just thought both were being stubborn and neither wanted to be the first person to side step. No biggie.. hey 6 years later and we are still talking about it... mind u we repeat the same shit during the offseason ;)

Kart
Nov 24th, 2003, 10:10 AM
LOL at this thread.

Even after all these years :lol:.

Venus was the only one who responded to the situation with any kind of class although I would probably back her even if she had said something. Interesting that even then she had a firm policy of how to handle difficult questions :yeah:.

Spirlea made no apology for what happened, and no denial really so I think she's probably to blame. She did get very aggressive during her matches so I'm not that surprised. What was her motivation ? I have no idea.

Richard Williams' racist comments are frankly as indefensible as Spirlea's actions - and they are relevant here because they made BIG news at the time (and he knew they would because everything he said made big news at that time). You can justify them all you want but they were uncalled for IMHO.

Of course, you could argue that I am bitter at Spirlea because she took Monica out in the round before and guess what, you'd be right :).

Bezz
Nov 24th, 2003, 10:35 AM
This thread has gone to 3 pages???

I havernt seen the match but from reading the indepth analysis from yu guys i have drawn my own conclusion.

Irina thought venus was too arrogant and wouldnt move if they reached the net at the same time, so she put her little theory to the test and decided to get to the net at the same time, venus didnt move (as predicted) so she bumped her, but her intention was to see if venus would move and not to bump into her, she wouldnt have bumped her if venus had of moved out of the way. I agree with her it was a respect thing, but then again her way of going about it was wrong.

gmak
Nov 24th, 2003, 03:09 PM
well irina sure had attitude :hearts: :kiss:

alfajeffster
Nov 24th, 2003, 03:31 PM
Girls! Girls! GIRLS! Get ahold of yourselves!

Only in women's tennis!

lizchris
Nov 24th, 2003, 04:00 PM
I don't know why we are discussing this SIX YEARS AFTER THE FACT!

Whether or not Irinia meant the bump to be deliberate, she was the one who was clearly jealous of all the attention Venus was getting from outside the tennis world and stated it and she was the one who was fined, not Venus.

esquímaux
Nov 24th, 2003, 06:36 PM
bump! can someone post the clip again?