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Doraemon
Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:04 AM
While I may feel sorry for the player, I can't help being suspicious that she is a sore loser unless the injury happens all of a sudden.

Volcana
Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:17 AM
Adrenaline blocks pain. When your getting beaten badly, and the match is non-competitive, adrenaline stops flowing. And all those aches and pains you weren't feeling you now DO feel.

I've played on ankle sprains, and while the match is close, I don't even feel it.When I'm down a set and 2 breaks, the same ankle HURTS. The process is biological, not psychological. And if you stop and think about it. Every player onthe tour has lost HUNDREDS of times. If they were withdrawing when they weren't injured, wouldn't that pattern be rather obvious?

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:54 AM
Alex Stevenson is the queen of retiring when she's one or 2 games away from losing. I like her, but she's a sore and ungracious loser.

Yeah, is that why there is only THREE matches where she has done this??

Please people, and none of them (maybe one if I saw wrong) were even where she was one game away.

She has retired 11 times in her career, and most are within the first two games of the second set.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:02 AM
Yeah, is that why there is only THREE matches where she has done this??

Please people, and none of them (maybe one if I saw wrong) were even where she was one game away.

She has retired 11 times in her career, and most are within the first two games of the second set.

Here they are:

Magui Serna (ESP) L 1-6 0-1 ret
Maria Vento-Kabchi (VEN) L 3-6 1-2 ret, and the very next tournament...
Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) L 3-6 ret
Lina Krasnoroutskaya (RUS) L 2-6 0-1 ret
Tina Pisnik (SLO) L 3-6 2-2 ret
Elena Dementieva (RUS) L 2-6 0-2 ret, and the very next tournament...
Marion Maruska (AUT) L 6-7(6) 0-4 ret
Tamarine Tanasugarn (THA) L 1-6 1-4 ret , and the very next tournament...
Abigail Spears (USA) L 7-6(4) 6-7(7) 1-3 ret
Viktoriya Kutuzova (UKR) L 3-6 3-3 ret
Anastasia Myskina (RUS) L 6-0 1-6 0-4 ret

Count them, THREE, and three two consecutive tournaments in which she retired, not to mention this year's back problems where she withdrew from a few tournaments because of it.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:03 AM
3 times is already way too much... Come on, one time ok, but when it's more than one time it's not normal.

If you're injured, you're injured.

Maybe it was alright when she started the match, but got worse and worse as she continued. You don't know why, so why judge her??

People will just find any excuse they can for hatin' her. :rolleyes:

Berlin_Calling
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:06 AM
a lot of players have done it and do it. it doesnt mean they are sore losers. Like Volcana said, when the match is close, and you are in the heat of the moment. you just think about staying intense and focusing on winning the match. when you are down, you start thinking about it more and therefore it hurts. Sure, some players could stick it out until the end but I dont blame them if they retire.

moby
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:07 AM
Adrenaline blocks pain. When your getting beaten badly, and the match is non-competitive, adrenaline stops flowing. And all those aches and pains you weren't feeling you now DO feel.

I've played on ankle sprains, and while the match is close, I don't even feel it.When I'm down a set and 2 breaks, the same ankle HURTS. The process is biological, not psychological. And if you stop and think about it. Every player onthe tour has lost HUNDREDS of times. If they were withdrawing when they weren't injured, wouldn't that pattern be rather obvious?

and i suppose that's why justine is supposed to lose when she's sick/injured and the match is close? :confused:

and if she doesnt she's cheating somehow? :confused:

Doraemon
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:09 AM
a lot of players have done it and do it. it doesnt mean they are sore losers. Like Volcana said, when the match is close, and you are in the heat of the moment. you just think about staying intense and focusing on winning the match. when you are down, you start thinking about it more and therefore it hurts. Sure, some players could stick it out until the end but I dont blame them if they retire.

But then why do some players do it way more often than others?
Some players seem to continue on until the final point no matter how bad the injury is and some seem to quit just for precautions though there is a very good chance of crossing the finish line.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:09 AM
But then why do some players do it way more often than others?
Some players seem to continue on until the final point no matter how bad the injury is and some seem to quit just for precautions though there is a very good chance of crossing the finish line.

I'd like a list.

Doraemon
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:12 AM
I'd like a list.

I'm not saying they are sore losers but they seem to have done it quite a few times. Graf, the Williams sisters and of course Alex Stevy.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:12 AM
How is it hatin' :scratch: I'm not hating on her, I'm just stating a fact, that she's a sore loser.

Because she retired in a match where she was injured?? :confused:

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:15 AM
One... You mean 11. :tape:

WHERE SHE WAS INJURED!!!!!

What part of INJURY don't you understand??

We think players are sore losers because they retire in a match due to INJURY?? Damn that Justine for retiring against Jen in 2001, DAMN HER!!

Damn Venus and Serena for retiring in matches!!

Damn that Davenport!!

Give me a break!!

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:20 AM
11 times, that's quite a lot :tape: Sounds like a Guiness record.

So, sue the girl for having injuries. Haven't you heard of people having injuries, and some having injuries more than others??

You're pathetic.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:22 AM
I'm not saying they are sore losers but they seem to have done it quite a few times. Graf, the Williams sisters and of course Alex Stevy.

You've said they have done it a lot, where's the list of where they have done it??

Just another HATER thread. :rolleyes:

SpikeyAidanm
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:22 AM
in response to the title of this thread...I feel that the player is more concerned over aggrovating their injury rather than entertaining the crowd or winning the match.

Nothing wrong with that priority ;)

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:24 AM
How is it hatin' :scratch: I'm not hating on her, I'm just stating a fact, that she's a sore loser.

Yes, not hatin', just not liking her because she has injuries and has to retire in matches more than other players.

No, of course not, not hatin'. In fact, Alexandra is your favorite player, because you have no reason to hate her besides the fact that she is injured a lot. :o

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:25 AM
Look, when you're injured, you don't play a tournement. If she plays a tournement just to collect the first round check after playing a couple of games, I wonder who's pathetic. :scratch:

What are we talking about now??

Haven't you heard that injuries happen during a match, and sometimes one's that you had the previous week get re-aggravated the next week.

Just grasping at straws in tryin' to find a reason in which we hate her now, aren't we??

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:27 AM
When did I say that I don't like her? I think Capraiti is an uneducated bitch and I like her; believe it or not it's possible to be a fan and being critical too.

There's a line you don't cross if you're a fan. It's one thing to be critical of their game or something related to that, but to actually criticize them for being injured constantly and retiring from matches, and to criticize them by calling them an "uneducated bitch."

I wouldn't want you to be my fan.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:29 AM
Hello... if you have an injury the week before you don't play the week after. :rolleyes:

Some injuries don't require a week break. Some just require a few days. Unfortunately, they can still become re-aggravated, but of course, you can't seem to grasp that knowledge.

Where's those straws again??

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:30 AM
Too late, I'm already a fan... Go Venus Forever go. :hearts:

Truly sad, I've totally lost any respect I had for you as a poster, because it just seems you come into threads only to bash players. Don't you have anything better to do?? :o

Doraemon
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:30 AM
You've said they have done it a lot, where's the list of where they have done it??

Just another HATER thread. :rolleyes:

The players I brought up except for Stevenson who loses pre much every match she plays nowadays so rarely lose a match that when they retire from a match, it counts more ratio wise. When they win a tournament, they don't have to lose a match and they win more than half the events they have entered. It "seem"s when they lose, they are more likely to retire than others. It's not hating but they are/were so dominating in their eras that if they retire as many times as they do, then their retirements stand out more than those of other players who reitire as many times. You know what I mean?

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:31 AM
The players I brought up except for Stevenson who loses pre much every match she plays nowadays so rarely lose a match that when they retire from a match, it counts more ratio wise. When they win a tournament, they don't have to lose a match and that's that case in more than half the events they have entered. It "seem"s when they lose, they are more likely to retire than others. It's not hating but they are/were so dominating in their eras that if they retire as many times as they do, then their retirements stand out more than those of other players who reitire as many times. You know what I mean?

Maybe it's because they are so great, that the only way to beat them is when they are injured. Understand that??

Doraemon
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:32 AM
Maybe it's because they are so great, that the only way to beat them is when they are injured. Understand that??

Huh? :confused:

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:34 AM
Don't you have anything better to do than defending a player?

As of right now, at one thirty in the morning, no.

What's wrong with defending her?? She did nothing wrong, and you're bashing her because she is injured a lot, and she doesn't deserve that treatment.

If you are a WTA trainer, which I highly doubt, and you know the severity of Alexandra's injuries, and you know that she faked it, or that she had no chance of playing the next week, then, I take back everything I have said, otherwise, your attacks are very unwarranted.

Venus Forever
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:35 AM
Huh? :confused:

The statement is pretty self-explanatory.

The only way to beat them, because they are so good, is when they are injured and can't play their best, hence many of their losses come due to retirement.

SpikeyAidanm
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:37 AM
Dokic also retired numerous times in 2002, but then she would play the very next week :unsure: :cuckoo: :haha:

Doraemon
Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:12 PM
Is there any clear example of a player quitting only because she didn't wanna lose?

Kart
Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:15 PM
I always feel less bothered about a player retiring when I've actually seen the match.

When you actually see them playing you understand the decision to retire rather than just looking at a result and automatically making assumptions.

Martian Willow
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:23 PM
When did I say that I don't like her? I think Capraiti is an uneducated bitch and I like her; believe it or not it's possible to be a fan and being critical too.

...this is a rule, and Willifans are the exception...that's why they're so sensitive and easy to wind up... :)

Paneru
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:25 PM
...this is a rule, and Willifans are the exception...that's why they're so sensitive and easy to wind up... :)

Also, goes to show how juvenile certain
people are on this board are! ;)

Oh well,
as you were! :cool: