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fried_beans
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:28 PM
LMAO :worship:

yukon145
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:30 PM
what is this? is this a real score line and did hewitt's sister really play kim's sister?

ßcoene
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:32 PM
Yes it's a real scoreline.

fried_beans
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:32 PM
Yep in Belgium in Aug 18 2002

First round of a 10K challenger

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:34 PM
Then you know that youīre BAD!

*hingis_forever*
Nov 22nd, 2003, 10:00 PM
lol!

MLF
Nov 22nd, 2003, 10:02 PM
Well neither Jaslyn nor Elke are any great shakes but Jaslyn has been playing well in the Australian Challengers recently including decent wins over Martina Muller & Samantha Stosur.

SpikeyAidanm
Nov 22nd, 2003, 11:30 PM
lol, is it just me or is Elke Clijsters overated and Jaslyn underated :cuckoo:

switz
Nov 22nd, 2003, 11:33 PM
lol, is it just me or is Elke Clijsters overated and Jaslyn underated :cuckoo:

it's just you. elke is seen as a joke by most, and although jaslyn may have improved recently, is still does not have a great game

*JR*
Nov 22nd, 2003, 11:35 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2003, 11:37 PM
This is what said some commentator had to say about Elkeīs Fed Cup match:
But Flipkens was out; Raymond faced Elke Clijsters instead. It resembled most of Elke's previous WTA matches: Nasty, brutish, and short. 47 minutes short. Raymond put the U. S. in the Fed Cup final 6-2 6-1.

DANG! I still canīt understand how two sisters are so seperated in the talent-department?! I mean not every sister-act can be like Serena and Venus....but one no.2 and the other with BARELY ANY hope whatsoever to even crack the top 100?!

Crazy Canuck
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:04 AM
Just because they are sisters doesn't mean they are genetic clones, silly ;)

ĪCharlDaĪ
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:07 AM
:lol:

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:09 AM
Of course, I know that.....but there is not being genetic clones and there is NOT being RELATED AT ALL! And when you see Elke play, you wouldnīt believe she and Kim were sisters.

Sharapova's_Boy
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:22 AM
Jesus Christ, I am absouletly sick of people bagging the f#ck out of Elke. As someone said earlier, just because she is Kim's sister, doesn't mean she is going to be just as good as her.

Also as said by someone earlier - Elke is overated. Well she is unfortunetly, which she shouldn't be. People first only judge her because she is Kim's sister, THEN they judge her by her game. Which then leads to massive criticsm like in this thread. Because people expect sisters to be just as good as each other aka Williams, Maleeva, Zanetti, etc

So I ask you this - could'nt you see Elke as a player trying to break through on the tour, and not just as Kim's little sister.

disposablehero
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:34 AM
Elke lost to a higher ranked player. Man, that is hilarious.

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:36 AM
You mean just like the people couldnīt understand that one of the few sister-sister who were good enough to excel at tour-leve, would find it difficult to play against each other?! Yet people accused them of match-fixing, this and that?!

fried_beans
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:39 AM
People aren't laughing that she lost I don't think, its just funny that Lleyton and Kim's little sisters played on the pro tour.

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:44 AM
Exactly....just that. We donīt expect much of them. Not every sister-brother combo can be successful.

*JR*
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:46 AM
Jesus Christ, I am absouletly sick of people bagging the f#ck out of Elke. As someone said earlier, just because she is Kim's sister, doesn't mean she is going to be just as good as her.

Also as said by someone earlier - Elke is overated. Well she is unfortunetly, which she shouldn't be. People first only judge her because she is Kim's sister, THEN they judge her by her game. Which then leads to massive criticsm like in this thread. Because people expect sisters to be just as good as each other aka Williams, Maleeva, Zanetti, etc

So I ask you this - could'nt you see Elke as a player trying to break through on the tour, and not just as Kim's little sister.
Perhaps if she'd stop accepting the undeserved WC's into MD's like Leipzig (not even in the Benelux) ppl would stop "bagging the f#ck out of Elke". :rolleyes:

Erdinger
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:47 AM
Jesus Christ, I am absouletly sick of people bagging the f#ck out of Elke. As someone said earlier, just because she is Kim's sister, doesn't mean she is going to be just as good as her.

Also as said by someone earlier - Elke is overated. Well she is unfortunetly, which she shouldn't be. People first only judge her because she is Kim's sister, THEN they judge her by her game. Which then leads to massive criticsm like in this thread. Because people expect sisters to be just as good as each other aka Williams, Maleeva, Zanetti, etc

So I ask you this - could'nt you see Elke as a player trying to break through on the tour, and not just as Kim's little sister.
You completely miss the point. There's nothing wrong with being a #400 player, but it is wrong that such a player without any improvement in the last 12 months gets wildcards for the main draw of a Tier II (And guess why!). THAT is the main reason for bashing poor Elke.

Sharapova's_Boy
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:58 AM
Perhaps if she'd stop accepting the undeserved WC's into MD's like Leipzig (not even in the Benelux) ppl would stop "bagging the f#ck out of Elke". :rolleyes:

But who in their right mind would not accept a wild card into a WTA event? Have you ever thought that maybe this is helping Elke - with top match practise / experience.

But no, it was all Lei Clijsters' doing wasn't it :rolleyes:

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:01 AM
what is helping her?! She hasnīt won a SINGLE set on tour level...sheīs getting beaten 6-2 6-1 in less than 45 minutes. That ainīt helping her at all!

Sharapova's_Boy
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:17 AM
And I suppose beating Lubomira Bacheva in Luxembourg qualies in 2001 I believe, doesn't count? right :rolleyes:

Oh please, Elke would've got alot out of those matches - what she needs to work on, getting experience at the top level, playing in front of a big crowd, etc.

So it is helping her, even though some of the scorelines don't reflect that.

fried_beans
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:20 AM
Yea there really is no need to bash Elke...hell who wouldn't accept the wildcards?

CanadianBoy21
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:23 AM
I think she should be better than what she is. She is Kim's sister, she can practice with her, she can see what she does right. But obviously she is inferior to Kim tennis wise. I heard she is not as disciplined as Kim, she comes home late and is rather a party girl.
But it's her life, and I guess she will do it how she wants to. But if you already play tennis, wouldn't you WANT to win.

Sharapova's_Boy
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:31 AM
And another point, how do you think Elke feels when everyone always compares her to Kim and even the commentators bash her?

Udachi Elke

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:34 AM
Yep, she should really be better.....but if she wanna party and stuff, well she is getting the reasults: No wins.

GoDominique
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:37 AM
And I suppose beating Lubomira Bacheva in Luxembourg qualies in 2001 I believe, doesn't count? right :rolleyes:

Oh please, Elke would've got alot out of those matches - what she needs to work on, getting experience at the top level, playing in front of a big crowd, etc.

So it is helping her, even though some of the scorelines don't reflect that.
She hasn't beaten Bacheva.
Elke has 2 wins on WTA-level, both in qualifying and both in 2000 - against Nikoian, a hopeless Armenian, and Casoni, a decent win although Casoni can only play on clay, and this was indoors.

Anyway, that just shows that Elke hasn't made any progress, and Jaslyn would probably beat her again if they played now.

Erdinger
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:38 AM
And I suppose beating Lubomira Bacheva in Luxembourg qualies in 2001 I believe, doesn't count? right :rolleyes:

Oh please, Elke would've got alot out of those matches - what she needs to work on, getting experience at the top level, playing in front of a big crowd, etc.

So it is helping her, even though some of the scorelines don't reflect that.
Elke LOST to Bacheva in the 1st round of Luxembourg Qualies 2002 (4:6 3:6). It's the only match between them. So I believe, that doesn't count. :rolleyes:

If I was Elke I just would be too embarrassed to get my ass kicked on a regular basis at the tour level.

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:46 AM
She hasn't beaten Bacheva.
Elke has 2 wins on WTA-level, both in qualifying and both in 2000 - against Nikoian, a hopeless Armenian, and Casoni, a decent win although Casoni can only play on clay, and this was indoors.

Anyway, that just shows that Elke hasn't made any progress, and Jaslyn would probably beat her again if they played now.

True that....itīs aight to lose matches in the beginning, but at some point you have to start winning sets at least or something. This hasnīt been the case with Elke. The losses have only become more and more lopsided.

Emberassing!

Rub
Nov 23rd, 2003, 06:46 AM
:dance:

Jakub
Nov 23rd, 2003, 08:36 AM
lol :haha:

ilovemomo
Nov 23rd, 2003, 08:39 AM
:lol:

:lol:

kim&lleyton
Nov 23rd, 2003, 09:46 AM
I think that Elke is a better Double player then a singel player.......

jenny161185
Nov 23rd, 2003, 10:25 AM
I feel sorry for Elke :(

paul_masterton
Nov 23rd, 2003, 11:57 AM
both girls came to the Edinburgh Challenger in May.

Jaslyn arrived on the sunday and practised and used the gym.

Elke arrived on tuesday afternoon (main draw began wednesday), signed in and went straight back to the hotel with her boyfriend. She lost 1st match on wednesday, having not hit the gym or the courts.

Jaslyn may not be brilliant, but she works hard and gives it her best shot doing everything she can to improve. Elke.....

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:04 PM
both girls came to the Edinburgh Challenger in May.

Jaslyn arrived on the sunday and practised and used the gym.

Elke arrived on tuesday afternoon (main draw began wednesday), signed in and went straight back to the hotel with her boyfriend. She lost 1st match on wednesday, having not hit the gym or the courts.

Jaslyn may not be brilliant, but she works hard and gives it her best shot doing everything she can to improve. Elke.....

Like that,huh?! SHAME! You ainīt even THAT good and now you wanna free-wheel?!

Experimentee
Nov 23rd, 2003, 12:05 PM
If I was Elke I wouldnt accept WC's. The fact that her only two wins on WTA level were in quallies against such weak players suggests that she'd be better off playing quallies instead of being humiliated in main draws.

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 23rd, 2003, 01:23 PM
So this thread is about a match that happenend more than two years ago? :scratch:

Wow, some people are really slow. :unsure:

JackFrost
Nov 23rd, 2003, 02:34 PM
Jesus Christ, I am absouletly sick of people bagging the f#ck out of Elke. As someone said earlier, just because she is Kim's sister, doesn't mean she is going to be just as good as her.

Also as said by someone earlier - Elke is overated. Well she is unfortunetly, which she shouldn't be. People first only judge her because she is Kim's sister, THEN they judge her by her game. Which then leads to massive criticsm like in this thread. Because people expect sisters to be just as good as each other aka Williams, Maleeva, Zanetti, etc

So I ask you this - could'nt you see Elke as a player trying to break through on the tour, and not just as Kim's little sister.

Which way do you want it now?
Nobody should see Elke as Kims little sister, when she loses matches, but the tournament organizer should give her wildcards, because she is Kims little sister again? (I donīt see another reason, to give her one. Belgium has young players, who are more talented).

ans
Nov 23rd, 2003, 02:55 PM
DANG! I still canīt understand how two sisters are so seperated in the talent-department?! I mean not every sister-act can be like Serena and Venus....but one no.2 and the other with BARELY ANY hope whatsoever to even crack the top 100?!

You can't? My sister is a doctor, I am a language-teacher. She loved chemics, maths, and that stuff, I hated it. I loved French, English...she hated it.
I can give some other examples if you want.

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 03:03 PM
I understand that Miss....but I mean these are two sisters who trained togetether, obviously love the same sport. Something must have gone REALLY wrong with Elke....how is it possible that Kim has become no.1 and Elke canīt even WIN matches?! Iīve never seen such a gap of talent between two sisters who practice the same sport.

ans
Nov 23rd, 2003, 03:16 PM
Iīve never seen such a gap of talent between two sisters who practice the same sport.

It's not a matter of talent. Elke was seen as the most talented of both but she doesn't have the same "spirit" and the same "passion" as Kim. The girl has other interests and probably prefers a more or less "normal" teenager life. Please, let her.

paul_masterton
Nov 23rd, 2003, 03:20 PM
elke doesnt really care, she just swans about doesnt hit much, you can tell she's not really into it. To be ranked 400 in teh world is a damn good achievment, but she could be alot higher, if she put her mind to it. She can play, but then goes and loses to an unranked brit in the first round of a 25k qualy event in 1hour.

Needs her head checked.

She's a good doubles player though

bandabou
Nov 23rd, 2003, 03:20 PM
Of course, of course....still a shame though. Knowing that deep-down youīre more talented than your no.1 sister, but you didnīt have the discipline to become a good player. Nothing worse than failing because of discipline!

But to each their own. If she likes it better this way, fine for her.

*JR*
Nov 23rd, 2003, 09:36 PM
But who in their right mind would not accept a wild card into a WTA event? Have you ever thought that maybe this is helping Elke - with top match practise / experience.

But no, it was all Lei Clijsters' doing wasn't it :rolleyes:
Who? Someone with a semblance of honor, that's who! Remember, she knows fucking well she's robbing someone more deserving. (Whatever the issues about Anna and WC's, she did increase ticket sales, so the others were indirectly paid a little more by her getting them).

And if you want to say that Lei (and Kim, of course) are merely Elke's accomplices in this highway robbery, OK. So fuck Elke getting the experience (which has done zero for her so far), she's an unprincipled parasite hitching a ride on her unprincipled sister's back.

fried_beans
Nov 23rd, 2003, 09:53 PM
And how is this Elke's fault? God, who in their right mind would refuse ranking points? You have to think of yourself in this industry..its every woman for themself.

Should Anna K deny all the wildcards she gets?

fifiricci
Nov 23rd, 2003, 10:03 PM
And to think that they could end up being bridesmaids at the same wedding .............

*JR*
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:02 AM
And how is this Elke's fault? God, who in their right mind would refuse ranking points? You have to think of yourself in this industry..its every woman for themself.

Should Anna K deny all the wildcards she gets? How about: a person with enough pride not 2B used? (Of course the famous sister should also "just say no" to this racket).

Re. Anna, I didn't like the Gold Exempts @ all, but as I've said several times, she did pass on WC's to enter Challengers this past spring (though she only got to play in one). And until they can "market tennis" better, she's helped keep tournaments financially solvent.

disposablehero
Nov 24th, 2003, 12:08 AM
Of course, of course....still a shame though. Knowing that deep-down youīre more talented than your no.1 sister, but you didnīt have the discipline to become a good player. Nothing worse than failing because of discipline!


Not MORE talented. Kim is talented enough to be ranked #1 in the world at age 20. If Elke applied herself how good could she be? Top 50? Top 20? It has to be tough for her knowing no matter how hard she works, she is not going to be as good as Kim. That can be a motivation-killer.

fried_beans
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:12 AM
She may be being used but at least shes using it to her advantage...well shes not winning matches but still I'm sure she feels she has lots of potential. She had a really close match with Patty a couple of years ago.

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 01:42 AM
Not MORE talented. Kim is talented enough to be ranked #1 in the world at age 20. If Elke applied herself how good could she be? Top 50? Top 20? It has to be tough for her knowing no matter how hard she works, she is not going to be as good as Kim. That can be a motivation-killer.

Hmmm.....but is top 20 or 50 worse than this?! Either quit it altogether or give it your best shot,no?!

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:10 AM
Dinara and Marat?! Cool FK, there you are WAAYY off....because Dinara has won tournaments, is ranked like 60 or something.

Elke HAS NOT WON a SINGLE match in her career! That you can see and say: whatīs happening?!

But now we all know the real story. Elke just doesnīt care. She just wanna hang around with her boyfriend. Good for her, but people are gonna talk about it. The more if she keeps receiving/accepting WCīs over MORE deserving players.

*JR*
Nov 24th, 2003, 03:10 PM
She may be being used but at least shes using it to her advantage...well shes not winning matches but still I'm sure she feels she has lots of potential. She had a really close match with Patty a couple of years ago.
Simon, what about the player who deserved a given WC and got robbed, like Anca did in Leipzig this year? Why don't we REALLY let Elke get match experience by spotting her the first set so MAYBE she'll advance a round or two? :rolleyes:

Brαm
Nov 24th, 2003, 05:21 PM
Elke HAS NOT WON a SINGLE match in her career!

Actually, she won 26, this year alone! Get your facts straight.

Brαm
Nov 24th, 2003, 05:24 PM
Oh and about those Wcs... Elke would be goddamn STOOPID if she turned them down!!!!!!!!!

Not 1 single player would turn down free ranking points & big money!

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 06:52 PM
weīre talking wta-tour level here, Brammy. Donīt try to play the smart-card here.

Brαm
Nov 24th, 2003, 06:57 PM
weīre talking wta-tour level here, Brammy. Donīt try to play the smart-card here.
Your were talking about matches, not matches on the WTA tour. There's this thing called ITF too, you know.

*JR*
Nov 24th, 2003, 10:35 PM
Oh and about those Wcs... Elke would be goddamn STOOPID if she turned them down!!!!!!!!!

Not 1 single player would turn down free ranking points & big money!
So if she was "unattached" and offered boku Euros to screw a guy she didn't even like, she should take it by your logic. And ans, I HOPE you teach your students some SLIGHT semblance of ethics. This parasite has also dragged her "once technically #1" sister down into the ethical gutter with her as an enabler.

The logic expressed by some ppl here is "..... as long as you can get away with something, why not". Hey, I heard about this unguarded bank in Brussels you apologists could rob with no fear of punishment...." :rolleyes:

bandabou
Nov 24th, 2003, 10:41 PM
Plus if she isnīt even serious about her tennis, why do her people keep insisting to give her WCīs?! If she was serious about her tennis, o.k....but she isnīt even serious. Everybodyīs saying she is "party first, train-later"....so that makes her even LESS deserving of WCīs, just because of her or rather her sisterīs fame.