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fleemke³
Nov 21st, 2003, 09:42 AM
Ivo Van Aken, the Belgian Fed Cup coah, thinks that it's not fair from Justine to say she won't play Fed Cup next year before the draw and dates are announced.

Well if she thinks it's to much to play and Fed Cup and the Olympics why should she wait for the draw?
Personally I also think that she's hurted by the things Els, Kim and Lei said this year and also doubts for those reasons.

What do you think? Is Justine correct?

carot
Nov 21st, 2003, 10:24 AM
This isn't about whether Justine is correct or not, it's a decision she takes based on her experiences this year and on what her specific goals are next year.

I think Ivo's reaction is only logical. I'd be disappointed in him if he wouldn't be sad about Justine not playing Fedcup. We lack depth to really sustain a high level of play in Fedcup if one of our two top players decides to skip a whole year.

carot
Nov 21st, 2003, 10:25 AM
What did Els say about Justine? Things i heard were said by her coach, if i recall well.

fleemke³
Nov 21st, 2003, 10:28 AM
Well they said that Els started the rumour at the FO that Justine was caught with doping.

Ok I can see his disappointment but isn't there a better way to express that? Saying that she's wrong isn't fair against her imo

here is the text btw:
'Henin-Hardenne is niet correct' 20-11-2003
Ivo Van Aken haalt in een interview met onze radiocollega's van Radio 1 uit naar Justine Henin-Hardenne. Van Aken, kapitein van het Belgische FedCup team, vindt dat Justine niet correct is in haar houding tegenover de landencompetitie. 'Justine heeft nu al af voor de editie van volgend jaar afgezegd, terwijl ze niet eens de loting weet. We weten niet eens wanneer en waar er zal gespeeld worden. Dat vind ik niet correct.'

Over Kim Clijsters is hij gematigder. Zij liet weten de loting af te wachten en dan te kijken of een FedCup-deelname in haar kalender past.

The Crow
Nov 21st, 2003, 10:31 AM
As carot said, it is Ivo's JOB to be disappointed and to express his disappointment.

But bottomline is, Justine decides. If fedcup is not a goal for her (which I regret) and she thinks that playing fedcup will hurt her chances in grand slams and other tourneys, she's right.

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:25 AM
I've heard the interview on Radio 1, and to me it seemed that he was mostly upset by the fact that Justine said that she's probably never going to play the Fed Cup again. Also because the French Federation did alot for Justine and playing Fed Cup is in a way a mean to give something back.

I can understand his opinion, and I regret it too that she doesn't want to play anymore. I just hope that it's only for this year and that she changes her mind in 2005.

drapero
Nov 21st, 2003, 01:47 PM
There is some small chance that Justine will play in 1st round against Croatia. But some people need to do something if they want to see her play.

The Crow
Nov 21st, 2003, 02:17 PM
Could you be a bit more precise for the airheads among us? :o

Lady
Nov 21st, 2003, 02:43 PM
For me Justine's decision sounds like the right one!!
She was so tired by the end of this year, so to play 1st round of the Fed Cup, when she knows that she won't play in the semis/final anyway, seems like unnessesery (sp?).

And maybe she'll play in 2005, she didn't say that she won't for 100%!!

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 21st, 2003, 03:01 PM
There is some small chance that Justine will play in 1st round against Croatia. But some people need to do something if they want to see her play.

They will need her more against Spain/Switzerland in the second round then against Croatia imo.

justine&coria
Nov 21st, 2003, 03:37 PM
Well, I can understand his reaction.
But, Justine didnt' say she won't probably play Fed CUp because of her schedule or because it'll be too much.
She said it because of the Flemmish clan !!

Anyway, I think Justine should play it, just for her country (i'm not belgian, but, i think ...). She simply doesn't have to care of Els and her clan (like she did with Kim in the past tournies)

Anyway i think it'll be more difficult, but she should play !

Shedevil
Nov 21st, 2003, 04:13 PM
It's her choice. "You don't feel like playing Justine? then don't." :p

On the other hand it would be nice to see her play for her country...:drool: oh well, it's not like us belgians are super chauvinistic.

per4ever
Nov 21st, 2003, 04:25 PM
hmm it all depends on when the fed cup matches are... if they interrupt a preparation for a GS, then it's just normal that she doesn't play.

But those first round matches are cakewalks..it's not even training for our girls!

I understand that Justine wants to rest as much as possible, but on the other side her fans can only see her once in competition in Belgium.

E. Blackadder
Nov 21st, 2003, 04:36 PM
What did Els say about Justine? Things i heard were said by her coach, if i recall well.


for once and for all

those nasty things said about justine were not made by els, and not by her coach. The dude that said those stuff is just someone who Els works with on physique when in Belgium. He's not her coach :wavey:

Come-on-kim
Nov 21st, 2003, 05:00 PM
Well, I don't know... I don't really know how she can already say now that she won't play...

But, I think it's pretty rude because the AFT is paying for her coach.... She could at least play one fed cup tie especially if one is played in Wallonia

Allez-H
Nov 21st, 2003, 06:00 PM
Sorry,but if they start to diss her the whole time and accusing her from taking doping,faking injuries and stuff like that, she shouldn't play it.I mean I love Fedcup,I really wish that Belgium would win it again and I really want to see Justine jump back in arms of Kim but if they don't show respect towards to her why should she play the Fedcup.She said in the beginning of the year and repeated it after Charleroi that winning the Fedcup was one of her goals this year but they kinda killed it when they accussed her of stuff she didn't do.Plus what do they expect from her.They expect her(and Kim)to win the GS's a bunch of other tournaments,to win Olympic medal's AND to play (and win) the Fedcup?I'm sorry but they are only human too.

pigam
Nov 21st, 2003, 06:13 PM
. I really think people don't seem to realise what they did in insinuating doping!! It has left deep marks in Justine ego/soul, and it will need time to heel, but hopefully she will decide to play Fedcup again (maybe in a few years, when the ITF decides to change the formula) ...

PS :rolleyes: @ the people (and, yes of course everyone is entitled to post whenever/wherever he/she wants) who NEVER post in Justine Tie. Never say anything positive about her, but post now only to critisize her :rolleyes:

Come-on-kim
Nov 21st, 2003, 07:04 PM
PS :rolleyes: @ the people (and, yes of course everyone is entitled to post whenever/wherever he/she wants) who NEVER post in Justine Tie. Never say anything positive about her, but post now only to critisize her :rolleyes:

I guess this is for me?

I never say anything about Justine? Well I still congratulate her for becoming 1st in the world... and i didn't critize her with this post!! I just think that it's pretty rude to tell NOW that she won't play! I don't mind if she decide not to play when the complete draw is out or so because it's her choice and it's understandable! I even wish Kim wouldn't play it next year! But I just "critisize" the timing of her decision that's all!!

Allez-H
Nov 21st, 2003, 07:25 PM
Today I talked to a person who knows Carlos really well. She talked to him, and he (Carlos) told her Justine stayed in bed, crying for 10 days after what happened to her with the doping insinuations. I'm not saying Justine shouldn't play fedcup anymore ... but I do understand that she is really hurt because of what happened, and (ok, undirectly) it does involve teammates and 'Belgian press'. I really think people don't seem to realise what they did in insinuating doping!! It has left deep marks in Justine ego/soul, and it will need time to heel, but hopefully she will decide to play Fedcup again (maybe in a few years, when the ITF decides to change the formula) ...

PS :rolleyes: @ the people (and, yes of course everyone is entitled to post whenever/wherever he/she wants) who NEVER post in Justine Tie. Never say anything positive about her, but post now only to critisize her :rolleyes:
I used to have a huge respect towards Filip,but since he made those insinuations about Justine he lost every single bit of my respect.I mean just imagine this:You just had a fantastic win at the US-Open,you've been nagging for days towards the press that you wanted to go back to Belgium,go back home.So after a couple tireing tennisweeks in the US and a long flyght you get off the plain seeing a couple of loyal fans and a couple of cameras,expecting them to congrulate you.But no they start to bring up all kinds of dopingaccussions from a player she used to admire when she was a junior and the coach of a fellow countrywoman. At that particular moment she showed all of her class by staying cool and denyng the insinuations on a veruy mature way(My only doping is hard work) but I new that she was deeply hurt.

cynicole
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:14 AM
Today I talked to a person who knows Carlos really well. She talked to him, and he (Carlos) told her Justine stayed in bed, crying for 10 days after what happened to her with the doping insinuations. I'm not saying Justine shouldn't play fedcup anymore ... but I do understand that she is really hurt because of what happened, and (ok, undirectly) it does involve teammates and 'Belgian press'.

I always suspected that it had more to do with the rest of the team's entourages' insinuations than the other stuff....like how I still suspect that "the hand" was borne out of Serena's alleged disrespect for Justine off-court. (Heck, I would've done the same thing and have zero regrets about it.)

As for the doping, I think that the people who alleged it are "[insert expletive here]s" in not taking "full" responsibility for what they said. Instead they blamed the media for "blowing things up" as if they were naive everyday people and not professional sports figures. Even the one who did apologize, Filip Dewulf, didn't seem completely sincere. Correct me if I'm wrong but even while he was apologizing, DeWulf still weaseled a bit and had to add that creatine was legal in the USA.

pigam - I know you're trying to clear things up a bit for all of us Justine fans but, with some of the information you give us, I'd feel pretty uncomfortable sharing it on a public board if I were in your priviledged position.

Anyways, I think it's better that she has told everyone beforehand that she will not play Fed Cup next year - rather than yank people along with "indecision" and mess up with everyone's expectations. It allows organizers to set up proper venues and have an idea of who they could recruit for the team (like giving up-and-coming talent like Kirsten Flipkens a shot).

It completely disgusts me that the press in Belgium treats someone who has done a lot for the positive visibility of its country so horribly as they have to JHH.

ns_Henin
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:51 AM
I guess this is for me?

I never say anything about Justine? Well I still congratulate her for becoming 1st in the world... and i didn't critize her with this post!! I just think that it's pretty rude to tell NOW that she won't play! I don't mind if she decide not to play when the complete draw is out or so because it's her choice and it's understandable! I even wish Kim wouldn't play it next year! But I just "critisize" the timing of her decision that's all!!

Shut your f*ckin' mouth up!!! You dont deserve your mouth here :mad:
How can i forget some bull sh*t u posted at CCL about Justine??? And now you said you never say anything about Justine?? And you say you didnt critisize her with this post but just "critisize" her timing of decision?? How can someone dont critisize but just critisize??? I hate you more than anything in this forum, so go away from this JT and never come back!!!!!!

cynicole
Nov 22nd, 2003, 04:53 AM
I hate you more than anything in this forum, so go away from this JT and never come back!!!!!!

Them's fighting words.

As far as I'm concerned, Kim fans could post anything they want (even if defamatory or erroneous) about other players in their own forum. Personally, I don't give a damn what gets posted in there and if they want to "misinform" themselves, then they could go ahead and do that.

Anyone could post trash about Kim in this forum too...but I'd like to think that JHH fans would have more class and keep away from that sort of thing.

I'm not saying that's what goes on in there. I hardly ever read CCL and I simply don't care what goes on in there.

ns_Henin
Nov 22nd, 2003, 05:42 AM
Them's fighting words.

As far as I'm concerned, Kim fans could post anything they want (even if defamatory or erroneous) about other players in their own forum. Personally, I don't give a damn what gets posted in there and if they want to "misinform" themselves, then they could go ahead and do that.

Anyone could post trash about Kim in this forum too...but I'd like to think that JHH fans would have more class and keep away from that sort of thing.

I'm not saying that's what goes on in there. I hardly ever read CCL and I simply don't care what goes on in there.

I agree with you. We Justine fans never talk or discuss another player in our forum, we never and will never make a joke about other player in our forum. We are classier than the "Classy Lounge" member. Viva Justine Time!!!!!

Martian KC
Nov 22nd, 2003, 07:21 AM
Why should she participate with a team that she doesn't get along with?

pigam
Nov 22nd, 2003, 07:56 AM
pigam - I know you're trying to clear things up a bit for all of us Justine fans but, with some of the information you give us, I'd feel pretty uncomfortable sharing it on a public board if I were in your priviledged position.


Agree, I never posted it in GM (and, now naively hoping it won't be posted there), but I do think her fans have some sort of 'right' to know these kind of things. Justine allways shows her emotions, and in this case she was classy and she stood straight ... but it just rerally hurt me when i heard Justine was so deeply hurt by it, that's something I couldn't even imagine.
But you're right... (maybe I'll even delete my post) I just thought (I was wrong) Justine time was a lil' more private ... I guess I just needed to get things of my chest

Come-on-kim
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:21 AM
Shut your f*ckin' mouth up!!! You dont deserve your mouth here :mad:
How can i forget some bull sh*t u posted at CCL about Justine??? And now you said you never say anything about Justine?? And you say you didnt critisize her with this post but just "critisize" her timing of decision?? How can someone dont critisize but just critisize??? I hate you more than anything in this forum, so go away from this JT and never come back!!!!!!
I don't want to begin a fight in here so I'll leave this thread but not the "Justine Time" :wavey:

ns_Henin
Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:34 AM
I don't want to begin a fight in here so I'll leave this thread but not the "Justine Time" :wavey:

Yeah that's better. I'm sure you wont leave Justine Time because you love to spoil other's, especially ignoring Justine and her fans :rolleyes:
It's okay, I'm ready to face your words and i'm ready to argue with you. I'll never let you insulting Justine anymore. Fight till the end.

ans
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:03 PM
Hello justinefans,
I just had a look in here because I wanted to know what's going on. Ns-henin came in CCl like a mad man, accusing us of things we hadn't done etc... Well, from time to time justine-fans come into our forum to tell us off...can I do the same for once? I don't intend to be rude or something, I just want to put things right, you know.
It seems like most of you think CCL is a justine-bashing-thread and that we keep ourselves busy laughing and making fun of Justine.
Well, we're not. Our forum is all about Kim. I admit that there's SOMETIMES a not-too-friendly reference to Justine in our forum but we're never bashing her. If someone goes too far, our mod will tell him/her off. And sorry, but don't tell me you all are saints and never say anything bad about Kim because I noticed you do from time to time. We all respect Justine and I guess most of you respect Kim. let's keep it that way. You don't have to love your faves rivals, but if you don't like them, just don't say anything.
I hope you don't all start bashing me for coming into your forum, it's with the best intentions (anyway, it's not the first time I post in here)Several Justine-fans know me and they know I do like Justine. let's keep the peace and let's stay out each other's forums if we only have bad intentions. GM is there for the haters and the bashers :)
:wavey:

cynicole
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:53 PM
Hello justinefans,
It seems like most of you think CCL is a justine-bashing-thread and that we keep ourselves busy laughing and making fun of Justine.


Most of us?

Sadly, my expansive ignore list contains fans from nearly every fan base, including Justine's.



I hope you don't all start bashing me for coming into your forum, it's with the best intentions (anyway, it's not the first time I post in here)

ans > :smash: < me

;)

cynicole
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:07 PM
Agree, I never posted it in GM (and, now naively hoping it won't be posted there), but I do think her fans have some sort of 'right' to know these kind of things. Justine allways shows her emotions, and in this case she was classy and she stood straight ... but it just rerally hurt me when i heard Justine was so deeply hurt by it, that's something I couldn't even imagine.
But you're right... (maybe I'll even delete my post) I just thought (I was wrong) Justine time was a lil' more private ... I guess I just needed to get things of my chest

This is just my opinion/point-of-view but...

It really depends on how "they" (Justine, Carlos and co.) feel about it and what the degree of confidence was given to your friend by Carlos and how much, in turn, was given by your friend to you. For all we know, maybe they want this information to be leaked out. On the other hand, it's likely Justine doesn't want to be seen as weak, crying, and vulnerable. Or maybe they just don't care (though the crying would indicate that JHH really does care).

Lady
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:49 PM
Well from my expierence Come-on-Kim & Ans are usually really respective towards Justine, so I don't mind seeing them in JT!! ;)

And I agree that we should not turn this topic into fighting one! :)

Let's all respect each other! :angel:

Greenout
Nov 23rd, 2003, 09:26 AM
This is just so typical of anti- Justine home
country Belgium brigade. They choose to trash
her while she's on vacation, and in the public
mind with the new postage stamp. After the news
that Justine and Kim..yes Kim decided not to play
the Fed Cup final, the hype was "Elke to save the
face of a nation", blah, blah..."teenage Kirsten ,
right up on Justine's tail to glory in Fed Cup debut"
or something like that. Now that the two newbies
failed, the A.J.H.C.B.B decide to single out Justine
as the cause of their woes. Kim wasn't there
either? What about her?


Els honey...you could've at least tried to win a set!~!!!!!!!!!!!

caseyl45
Nov 23rd, 2003, 02:59 PM
Now that the two newbies
failed, the A.J.H.C.B.B decide to single out Justine
as the cause of their woes. Kim wasn't there
either? What about her?

Forgive me for asking, but what's the A.J.H.C.B.B?

Juju_fan
Nov 23rd, 2003, 03:02 PM
check out in the same post ;)

"Anti-Justine Home Country Belgium Brigade"

fleemke³
Nov 23rd, 2003, 07:11 PM
Why should she participate with a team that she doesn't get along with?


that's a good points :) Fed Cup should be fun and with all what happend ...

BTW Rythmboy I didn't meant the dopingthing from the physicalltrainer from Els .. I was refering to a thing that happend after RG ;)

The Crow
Nov 24th, 2003, 02:50 PM
Hello justinefans,
I just had a look in here because I wanted to know what's going on. Ns-henin came in CCl like a mad man, accusing us of things we hadn't done etc... Well, from time to time justine-fans come into our forum to tell us off...can I do the same for once? I don't intend to be rude or something, I just want to put things right, you know.
It seems like most of you think CCL is a justine-bashing-thread and that we keep ourselves busy laughing and making fun of Justine.
Well, we're not. Our forum is all about Kim. I admit that there's SOMETIMES a not-too-friendly reference to Justine in our forum but we're never bashing her. If someone goes too far, our mod will tell him/her off. And sorry, but don't tell me you all are saints and never say anything bad about Kim because I noticed you do from time to time. We all respect Justine and I guess most of you respect Kim. let's keep it that way. You don't have to love your faves rivals, but if you don't like them, just don't say anything.
I hope you don't all start bashing me for coming into your forum, it's with the best intentions (anyway, it's not the first time I post in here)Several Justine-fans know me and they know I do like Justine. let's keep the peace and let's stay out each other's forums if we only have bad intentions. GM is there for the haters and the bashers :)
:wavey:

:clap2: Although I don't think most of us think CCL is a Justine-bashing thread ;)

saki
Nov 24th, 2003, 05:35 PM
I think it's a pity that Justine isn't playing Fed Cup. But, it does seem to me that her decision is largely due to the doping allegations from "the Flemish camp" and in particular the fact that none of them (according to her) have apologised to her personally. Once they got bashed for it in the media, they grovelled to the media and tried to pretend that they hadn't said what they had, but they still don't give a shit about Justine herself and how much they hurt her. Why should she want to play on a team with them? I know it was primarily Kim's father and Els' trainer person, but that shouldn't stop either of them saying the equivalent of "I'm sorry that he said that about you. Please know it isn't what I think." Ultimately, it's up to the Belgian tennis federation to make sure that these apologies are made, otherwise it's their loss not Justine's.