Wierd question to ask about the new #1, I know. But she hasn't won a tournament since the French. The French is in June. She's not playing badly, not at all. But she isn't winning.
Since the French ....
DFS - Tauziat
Eastbourne - Davenport
Stanford - Clijsters
San Diego - Venus
Los Angeles - Davenport
Toronto - Serena
Pilot Pen - Venus
USOpen - Venus
Brasil Open - Seles
Princess Cup - Dokic
Leipzig - Clijsters
Kremlin Cup - Dokic
Isn't it about time she steps up?
Oct 14th, 2001, 04:50 AM
I think she'll actually step down. She is slumping.
Even if it is extremely diificult for me to speak it out, it is clear for me that she is a transitional #1, and the countdown for Venus taking the throne is officially started. I thought that Hingis might rebound at the yearend and pick up some good points before Venus will be within striking distance. But Capriati won't do that. Expect Venus to take over it the same way, by default, after AO. And actually, it is
refreshing thought, I start to think that Davenport might have a shot at it too. Hingis won't play indoors. Venus and Serena might not play indoors too. Clijsters is in a kind of slump. Davenport is the best indoors player. If she wins tomorrow's final Zurich and Munich, she'll be in the race.
Oct 14th, 2001, 05:25 AM
It is amazing to me that Jennifer has not even been the no. 1 player for a day and already people are tearing her down. Why? Why can't everyone congratulate her for her fine achievement and let her enjoy it for however long she is ranked in the top spot? <IMG SRC="smilies/firey.gif" border="0">
I find it ironic that after her FO victory, everyone was proclaiming Jennifer as the no. 1 player in the world. Now that she has claimed that spot, everyone is already looking at her as a transitional no. 1.
This time last year, no one would have thought that Jennifer Capriati would win two grand slams and get the no. 1 ranking. What she has done this year has been a marvelous achievement and she needs to be congratulated for it, not torn down because she doesn't meet everyone's expectations for what a number player should be, which to be honest, I am curious as to what everyone thinks a number 1 player should achieve in a season.
Everyone keeps touting Venus as the inevitable number 1. Venus is a beautiful, intelligent young woman and a great player, but until Venus actually plays an entire year of tennis, she is not going to be ranked no. 1. For the last two years, Venus has played her best tennis starting at Wimbledon and ending with the US Open. That is 3.5 or 4 months of solid tennis, when the sport is played for 11 months. Venus is more than capable of playing great, consistent tennis on any surface, but she needs to be committed to doing so.
I think instead of looking for ways to tear down players; we should look for ways to cheer their efforts and applaud their victories. Life as an athlete is difficult enough without having to deal with the expectations of fans who seem to not want to see the good side of things.
Am I wrong here?
Please don't misunderstand. I am not trying to insult anyone, but I really need to understand why everyone is so hellbent to put Jennifer's achievement down so quickly.
Oct 14th, 2001, 05:42 AM
ys... I sort of agree with you... in that Jenn is a transitional #1... but we don't know who might get it next... could be Lindsay, could be Marti, could be Venus!
btw... why do you say Kim is in a slump? She just won Leipzig! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
Ronny and James
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:08 AM
We are still in shock really that Jennifer really made it to #1. Weird how life can turn around for some interesting loops. I think it is great that Jennifer can say I was #1 and I have 2 GS.
I wish Monica's year in 2002 to be just as fantastic! <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:11 AM
2002 is Monica's year, I am sure of it! <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:22 AM
Probably Jenifer will keep the higher ranking till the next Aus Open, when she has to start defendig points...
Jenifer goes up in the rank and down in the game!!!!!!!!
I know some people will start to criticices me because of my posts, but THIS IS WHAT I THINK.
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:45 AM
the pressure of keeping the No.1 ranking is now in Jenny's hand. Good luck to her. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:56 AM
Haha... no pressure for her... yet. Venus is still a good 500 points behind and Martina is not playing until next year. But come Austrialian Open 2002 <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 07:26 AM
apoet29, I agree with you.....this topic is definitely negative and a bit misguided. Volcana fails to mention that Jennifer was entered in less than half of the tournaments he/she lists. The post makes it appear Jen hasn't won in the last thirteen tournaments she entered which is entirely false!
Here is a more accurate representation of the tournaments Jen has entered since Wimbledon and the players she lost to:
Wimbledon - Justine (SF)
San Diego - Monica (QF)
Toronto - Serena (F)
New Haven - Venus (SF)
New York - Venus (SF)
Filderstadt - Sandrine (QF)
Although Jen may not be playing as well as she did the first half of the season, I don't think anything is "wrong" with her. It is VERY tough to maintain the amazing level of play she exhibited earlier over an entire season, both emotionally and physically - just ask any of the top players (Venus, Lindsay, Martina)and I'm sure they'll all agree. The results above are more than respectable and I'd match Jen's yearly results against any other player over the past year.
It's unfortunate there are so many negative posters on here. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
The first postive thing about Martina not being number 1 anymore, She won't have tripe like this directed at her <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 01:44 PM
apoet29 - Actually, I've posted about Jenn's winlessness since RG before this. (Of course, the title of the thread in no way indicates this.) I figured Jenn's ascension would mean more people interested in analyzing her, her game, and how she's been playing. If you don't like the thread, you have the ability to say so, and to keep saying so if you want. Since I feel the thread is appropriate, I'll just keep going til I find people interested.
Personally, I don't view Venus or anyone else as inevitable #1's. There's a reason there are so few of them. But not winning a tournament in four months and as a result of that taking over the #1 spot seems odd. I knew some of Jenn's fans would view that as an attack, not a topic for analysis as well. That's their right.
But until Jenn wins another tournament, the question is gonna be out there. If you wanna ignore it, go right ahead. Either she'll win something, and the question will be made moot. Or she won't, and the theme of OZ 2002 will be 'Why can't the world #1 win?'
Oct 14th, 2001, 04:03 PM
Thanks for clarifying your position Volcana. I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with questioning the abilities of the world no. 1. After all, he or she sets the standard by which his or her sport is regarded and serves as a role model for other players. I was reacting to some of the mean-spirited posts about Capriati's ascension. I apologize for mistaking yours as being one of them.
I must agree with GoSandrine though. There have been thirteen tournaments since the FO, but Jennifer has only played in six of them, so it is unfair to say she hasn't won the last 13. A player should only be held accountable for the tournaments they play in and win or lose, not for all tournaments played.
Thanks for replying.
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:46 PM
I only listed all those tournaments to show what opportunities she had. Re-reading the post, it clearly seems to say she LOST all those tournaments, which certainly isn't true. I'd edit the thread, but I can't seem to figure out how to. Computers are strange.
Oct 14th, 2001, 09:18 PM
i think it would've been more sportsman like of her to give some sort of comment to hingis' injury
in her interview, all she could talk about was her number one spot
i dun think sayin sth bout hingis' injury like get well soon or whatever would be that hard
Oct 14th, 2001, 09:30 PM
I don't think many people are gonna question Jennifer's top rank because she has performed well in many , many tourneys and won two slams back to back. She was alot more consistant than Hingis this year and deserves to be #1 according to the WTA ranking system. I don't see much wrong with her game to question her top rank. It takes people to drop down for another to rise. So this topic could be titled what's wrong with the former #1?
Congrats Jennifer Capriati on doing what many people haven't done yet. Now come on Venus and take it from her!! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 10:25 PM
All I have to say is congratulations Jennifer on DESERVINGLY becoming #1! No matter, who gets #1 there will be questions. Martina_"How can she be no 1 and not win GS"? Venus-"How can she be no 1 and not play a full schedule?" and now Jennifer. No matter who is there there will always be arguments. But no matter what even if it for just a week, Jennifer will always be known as someone who was ranked #1 in the world!!! Yes, she hasnt won a tourny since French but she has only played in 4 or 5. She made the SF of Wimbledon and US Open losing to very hot and talented players Henin and Venus. People act like she has lost in the 1st round of every tourney since Roland Garros. Anyways, go Jenn! Best of luck, wishes, and greetings. No one can take away your accomplishments! You seem to do better in the "biggies". 2001 Sanex tour Champ!! <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0">
Oct 14th, 2001, 11:37 PM
I feel that it's quite unfortunate that Jennifer 'got' to the No. 1 spot cos of Hingis tripping and being unable to defend her points. well, it does reflect a sort of deficiency in the WTA ranking system... players don't always have to earn their points...
Moreover the ranking doesn't reflect the true No. 1 , i.e the player who can play best and has the greatest ability. Altho I'm no fan of Venus, I'm quite sure she can beat Capriati anytime now... Monica can beat Capriati too <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0"> maybe it's a good thing... cos they can earn quality points
Oct 15th, 2001, 12:41 AM
I think people will question Capriati as the #1 for the same reasons they questioned Martina. And that's because we know there are players on the tour who can mop-them-up when they're playing their best.
Now, if a Lindsay or a Venus gets that ranking then it'll be undisputed, because they've proven time and again that when they're on, no one can touch them. Venus more so than Lindsay...these days.
Every #1 from now on will be compared to the Navratilova/Graf/Seles/Hingis97 standard of the #1 player. And those who don't stack up will be scrutinized.
This is the reason why Hingis was lambasted, and that's why people whisper about JenCap. And untill a world beater ascends to the top spot, people will keep on talking.
Oct 15th, 2001, 08:29 AM
congrats to jen
but she has to watch out
venus still has a mathematical chance at the no.1 spot and really, what matters MOST is ending the year as no.1 more than being no.1 for a few weeks.