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The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 11:42 AM
I have the feeling that Flemish TV wants to have Kim as sportswomen of the year. After her (great) win at the Masters, I've noticed that they "think" that Kim was at least as good as Justine this year. Examples:

- Carl Maes saying that Kim is really the number one this year because she was more consistent
- Els Jackxens (sp?) saying that slams are all about tradition but that people "inside tennis" saying that winning the masters is more impressive than winning a slam
- at VRT TT: putting the year-end number one of Justine on the same "height" as Kim leading the prize money list.

Especially the second example is so wrong imo. Kim winning the masters is a great achievement, but winning a slam is more prestigious and more difficult imo.The first: well it's Carl Maes (who I like btw), so he's probably subjective. The third could be nitpicking from my part ;)

What do you think? Do the Flemish media have a "hidden agenda"? Or am I just seeing ghosts as a too subjective Justine fan? ;)

Ok, and I don't want fights in here. If this thread evolves into a fight, I'll delete it.

Come-on-kim
Nov 12th, 2003, 11:48 AM
Dunno, but the French speaking medias does the contrary ;)

In "La derničre heure" they already said that there's no way Kim can have it, because it's so obvious Justine is the best of the year ;)

per4ever
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:12 PM
let's fight!!!

no really..you're right. I often wonder if they know anything about tennis. I've never ever heard a player say that the Masters are more important then a GS. It's prestigious to get into the Masters, because it means that you had a great year.

But when you look at the players: they're all tired, not very motivated (look at the slaughters of Dementieva, Cappy overweighted).

Anyway, there's no doubt that Justine Henin-hardenne will be the Player of the Year. It would be incredibly weird to have Kim as Belgian Sportswomen of the year then huh.

The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:21 PM
Kim did it before, K. The first year that she won it I believe Domi was ranked above her at the end of the year (err can anyone confirm this, because I'm not 100% sure :o)

pigam
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:25 PM
Yeah, I've notice it too.
I would be 'dissapointed' if it were Kim (which I doubt), but I don't think Kim would be that pleased, either... I think she would feel a bit odd; She has said herself Justine was the best player this year (and noone can deny that). I also doubt either of our 2 tennis-stars cares too much for the trophy. They both have acchieved so much on international level ... I don't know ...

Wimanna
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:26 PM
yeah, back then, Domi was ranked 18th or so.....but Kim won her first tournament that year (as did Juju) and almost defeated the later US Open Champ Serena. Belgian press is not objectif enough... My fave is Kim, but I can say, Justine is the more deserving one of the two. ;)

per4ever
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:29 PM
Kim did it before, K. The first year that she won it I believe Domi was ranked above her at the end of the year (err can anyone confirm this, because I'm not 100% sure :o)
Domi was no Player of the Year back then Joris ;)

Justine will be Player of the Year..which means she was the best player this year. So it would be insane to have someone else elected abover her

Come-on-kim
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:30 PM
I think Justine deserves it more :eek: ;) but I wouldn't be surprise if they find a way to have two Belgian sportswomen this year :lol:

The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:39 PM
Domi was no Player of the Year back then Joris ;)

Justine will be Player of the Year..which means she was the best player this year. So it would be insane to have someone else elected abover her

Oh pffft you know what I meant :mad: :p

The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:43 PM
Yeah, I've notice it too.
I would be 'dissapointed' if it were Kim (which I doubt), but I don't think Kim would be that pleased, either... I think she would feel a bit odd; She has said herself Justine was the best player this year (and noone can deny that). I also doubt either of our 2 tennis-stars cares too much for the trophy. They both have acchieved so much on international level ... I don't know ...

Oh yeah you're right: I'm not saying that it is Kim's fault, not at all. Kim has indeed admitted that Justine had the better year and deserves the number 1 ranking.

And I don't agree with you that Justine doesn't care about the trophy. I think she wants to be sportswoman of the year at least once. And I think she would be highly disappointed if she doesn't win it this year.

Juju_fan
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:44 PM
There's a hidden agenda for anything in Belgium ;)

But it's about time Justine gets this trophy, Kim has already got it 4 years in a row, Justine zero, and they both followed the same path in their carreer!

I mean, it's incredible to have 2 girls who perform so well in a competitive sport such as tennis, and Kim would be a deserving Sportswoman of the Year, but if she gets it this year too, I don't know what Justine should do to get it?

Maye she should win the Golden Grand Slam and pray for Kim NOT winning the Masters again ;)

Remember, last year before the Masters Justine was ranked ahead of Kim, so she could have had a shot at this award had Kim not won the Masters...

The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 12:47 PM
There's a hidden agenda for anything in Belgium ;)

But it's about time Justine gets this trophy, Kim has already got it 4 years in a row, Justine zero, and they both followed the same path in their carreer!

I mean, it's incredible to have 2 girls who perform so well in a competitive sport such as tennis, and Kim would be a deserving Sportswoman of the Year, but if she gets it this year too, I don't know what Justine should do to get it?

Maye she should win the Golden Grand Slam and pray for Kim NOT winning the Masters again ;)

Remember, last year before the Masters Justine was ranked ahead of Kim, so she could have had a shot at this award had Kim not won the Masters...

Yep but all 4 years, Kim was the (sometimes slightly) better player, so tough luck for Justine, but Kim deserved it all 4 times (well except for the first year but that had nothing to do with Justine).

pigam
Nov 12th, 2003, 03:42 PM
Oh yeah you're right: I'm not saying that it is Kim's fault, not at all. Kim has indeed admitted that Justine had the better year and deserves the number 1 ranking.

And I don't agree with you that Justine doesn't care about the trophy. I think she wants to be sportswoman of the year at least once. And I think she would be highly disappointed if she doesn't win it this year.

I know what you mean. I think you missunderstood me (or I expressed myself badly ;) ).
Of course sh 'cares'. She wants to be recognides as the best nelgian this year, but I think she wouldn't be thąt surprised ... after all that has been written bout her in the press this year!? :rolleyes: I don't know, I hope she wins it. But if she doesn't, the only ones who are making a fool out of themselves are the belgian sportspress :rolleyes:

The sollution of 2 'sportsladys of the year' would be simply embarrasing and stupid! It wasn't too hard to admit Kim was the best duringprevious years, but now it is (clearly) vice versa, it wołld be ?? If they do that (which I doubt) they are :retard:

Brαm
Nov 12th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Justine deserves the trophy and she will get it.

You think Els Jackxens will make the difference? :rolleyes:

The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 04:20 PM
You think Els Jackxens will make the difference? :rolleyes:

:eek: Let's hope not ;)

Come-on-kim
Nov 12th, 2003, 04:31 PM
Justine deserves the trophy and she will get it.

You think Els Jackxens will make the difference? :rolleyes:
I hope she will have it, because I remember in 2001 all the fuss she did because she said she had better results in GS than Kim :lol:

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 12th, 2003, 04:46 PM
To be honest I think you're overreacting a bit Joris. I admit that I didn't see the news at 13 o'clock yesterday, but in the 19 o'clock news on VRT there's was no campaigning for Kim at all. They didn't even show Maes. After the semi-final match of Justine against Mauresmo, Karl Van Nieuwkerke said that Justine deserved to be Sportswoman of the year, if people would vote objective she would win without a doubt. That was quite a statement from someone who I consider to be quite pro-Kim.
And in the Morgen today there was an article that said that Justine definitly deserved to win, altough Kim off course had a great year too. (Or maybey de morgen is a bad example :tape: ;) )

Anyway, she will win it, i'm sure, stay positive. :D

The Crow
Nov 12th, 2003, 04:49 PM
To be honest I think you're overreacting a bit Joris. I admit that I didn't see the news at 13 o'clock yesterday, but in the 19 o'clock news on VRT there's was no campaigning for Kim at all. They didn't even show Maes. After the semi-final match of Justine against Mauresmo, Karl Van Nieuwkerke said that Justine deserved to be Sportswoman of the year, if people would vote objective she would win without a doubt. That was quite a statement from someone who I consider to be quite pro-Kim.
And in the Morgen today there was an article that said that Justine definitly deserved to win, altough Kim off course had a great year too. (Or maybey de morgen is a bad example :tape: ;) )

Anyway, she will win it, i'm sure, stay positive. :D

:D Thanks :D

arn
Nov 13th, 2003, 11:48 AM
Justine deserves the trophy and she will get it.

You think Els Jackxens will make the difference? :rolleyes:

The sooner she stops commentating matches the better! I'm sorry if she is reading this, but she totally stinks in it!

And the bias of the (Flemish) media is really ennoying. Justine soooo deserves it, but because of the way the sportsman/woman is voted I would not be surprised if Kim got it:

1) More flemish as Wallon people who vote
2) It consists of 2 rounds. Justine obviously takes the first round (with kim being second) But the second round is voted in december (I think) and Kim's victory will be a lot fresher in the memories of everybody than Justine's USO. It will be interesting to see the pointsbreakdown.

The Crow
Nov 13th, 2003, 12:21 PM
Didn't know about the 2 rounds thing, Arne. So in the second round, they only give points about the l;ast 6 months or what? :confused:

gopher
Nov 13th, 2003, 03:38 PM
There is a strong case for Kim being sportswoman of the year:

- She is the moneyleader
- She had a shot on all grand slams this year (Henin, let's face it on only two)
- She clearly has still a margin for improvement
- She is the natural leader of the WTA something Henin will never be
- Sportsmanlike behaviour comes naturally for her
- At the end of the season she was clearly boss over Henin
- Kim became number one in doubles

Kim was off in the two grand slam finals, that was the difference.Henin has less scruples when it comes to winning.

I hope Kim will get the trophy.

Juju_fan
Nov 13th, 2003, 04:53 PM
- She is the moneyleader
Yeah, in singles she has won 80,000$ more than Justine in playing three more events! Anyway, who cares about the Money Leader? Then Anna Kournikova would be number one if you count the sponsoring revenues ;)

- She had a shot on all grand slams this year (Henin, let's face it on only two)
Justine: SF W SF W
Kim: SF F SF F
Results are results, and Justine's were equal or better in all the Slams (Let's not talk about Tier I tourneys)!

- She clearly has still a margin for improvement
So does Justine (She still has a big margin in the physical training and could be more efficient in serve, that would make her really lethal :eek: )

- She is the natural leader of the WTA something Henin will never be
So what? Some people like the spotlight more, but I don't see the point in taking that into account for the "Sportswoman of the Year" :confused:

- Sportsmanlike behaviour comes naturally for her
San Diego final comes to my mind when talking about sportsmanlike...

- At the end of the season she was clearly boss over Henin
So what? In the entire season, Justine was clearly boss over Kim especially on big occasions

- Kim became number one in doubles
that's about the only thing I could agree with you on.

saki
Nov 13th, 2003, 08:56 PM
"- She had a shot on all grand slams this year (Henin, let's face it on only two)
- She clearly has still a margin for improvement" from gopher.

So, the fact that Kim had a shot at all four slams but didn't win any whereas Justine won two including one on her worst surface means that Kim is the better player? Right...

Not convinced that Kim does have any greater potential than Justine, but even if she did, is it really to her credit that she has improvements she could make but hasn't?

----

IMO, Justine deserved this last year as she had better results at the Slams. This year she has won two Slams as well as more Tier 1s than Kim. It will be disgraceful if she doesn't get the appreciation she deserves in her own country. She could end up being the only player ever to win the WTA's Player of the Year award but have another player win her own country's Sportswoman of the Year award. That said, there's such a bias going on in the media pro-Kim that I wouldn't be at all suprised.

caseyl45
Nov 13th, 2003, 10:49 PM
- She is the moneyleader - In total, not per singles tournament, where she loses $195,489 to $171,936 (rounded to the nearest dollar).
- She had a shot on all grand slams this year (Henin, let's face it on only two) - You're kidding, right? I could have made an argument for the Australian Open and the U.S. Open for Clijsters, but Henin-Hardenne was playing too well on clay, and even if Clijsters had beaten Venus at Wimbledon, I couldn't have seen her beating Serena. Like it or not, if Clijsters couldn't have beaten Henin-Hardenne at the Slams, then there's no way she would have held up against Serena.
- She clearly has still a margin for improvement - And Henin-Hardenne doesn't? Besides, what does that have to do with her performance this year?
- She is the natural leader of the WTA something Henin will never be - If that's the case, maybe Billie Jean King should gain Belgian citizenship and be your Sportswoman of the Year. After all, Kim will never be the leader she is.
- Sportsmanlike behaviour comes naturally for her - Fine, then give her a sportsmanship award.
- At the end of the season she was clearly boss over Henin - I'll repeat what I said before. You're kidding, right? I guess if you call having a 2-4 head-to-head against someone "clearly" being the boss, then yeah.
- Kim became number one in doubles - Yes, she did. She has that going for her.

I'll admit that Clijsters has a stronger case than she did two weeks ago, but not for the reasons that you listed. Having a case for being a Sportswoman of the Year, though, does not mean you deserve to win it.

The Crow
Nov 14th, 2003, 09:50 AM
gopher, have to agree with the former 3 posts. Your last point is good. She has much better results in doubles than Justine, that's a plus for her, but all the other points you make are either wrong or not to the point for the "sportswoman of the year" award.

arn
Nov 14th, 2003, 04:44 PM
Didn't know about the 2 rounds thing, Arne. So in the second round, they only give points about the l;ast 6 months or what? :confused:

Yep, I think that's the way it goes... you make me doubt now (maybe I'm confusing it with 'de gouden schoen' where it's (also?) in 2 rounds).

justine&coria
Nov 15th, 2003, 03:17 PM
In France, we're just objective (except when it's about Mauresmo) ! Justine was better then Kim this year : it's a fact !
Last year, Kim was considered a better player in France too !!
Winning YEC this year, is definitely less difficult than winning a Grand Slam:
1) Because Kim didn't have to face the bests (no Serena, Venus or Justine), whereas Justine did, especially at RG
2) Many players are tired and ill : Justine, Capriati (who weren't at their best)

And can you tell me how many times Kim beat the WIlliams this year ? And how many times she played them?
Because Justine played against them fewest times, but managed to win twice !!

And being consistent, when there's no real threat in front of you, isn't extraordinary.
Justine, this year
beat Serena twice this year
at Dubai beat Myskina, Capriati, and Seles (which can a bit be compared to Kim's draw at YEC !!)
at RG, beat Schnyder, Rubin, Serena and Kim at RG
beat Kim twice on hard, which is Kim's best surface, and Justine's worst one.

I think that's the most important thing !!

fleemke³
Nov 16th, 2003, 06:27 PM
I can see it happen ... Justine gets award of 'player of the year' from the WTA and Kim wins the Belgian trophy :rolleyes:

Joris I must say I was pretty shocked when I saw the news .. Belgium is going to make a fool of itselfs if Kim wins it ...

Both girls had a GREAT season .. but Justine's was better!

space
Nov 16th, 2003, 09:38 PM
Kim should get player of the year. At least she won all of her titles fair and square. No lying or cheating.

Brαm
Nov 16th, 2003, 09:39 PM
Kim should get player of the year. At least she won all of her titles fair and square. No lying or cheating.
Nice reputation you've got there :tape:

Get out of the Belgian Babes Band if you dislike one of them! :mad:

Shoo!

space
Nov 16th, 2003, 10:18 PM
Nice reputation you've got there :tape:

Get out of the Belgian Babes Band if you dislike one of them! :mad:

Shoo!

I never said I dislike any of them, I just do not like dishonest people especially when it is back up by your coach.

caseyl45
Nov 17th, 2003, 12:52 AM
I never said I dislike any of them, I just do not like dishonest people especially when it is back up by your coach.

Well, if that's the case, don't forget about Kim "She's done it in every match I've played against her" Clijsters, either. True, she didn't have a coach backing her up, but she's still not being completely honest there, is she?

Come-on-kim
Nov 17th, 2003, 07:02 AM
Well, if that's the case, don't forget about Kim "She's done it in every match I've played against her" Clijsters, either. True, she didn't have a coach backing her up, but she's still not being completely honest there, is she?
I'm not agreeing with "space" posts! Not at all!!!

But, for what he says, we saw it on tv,... but for what Kim said, we haven't seen it on tv anywhere so maybe she haven't told it like that, maybe they changed some words in the sentences to make it more shocking

arn
Nov 17th, 2003, 11:08 AM
Well, if that's the case, don't forget about Kim "She's done it in every match I've played against her" Clijsters, either. True, she didn't have a coach backing her up, but she's still not being completely honest there, is she?

Don't start a discussion with him/her. People like them are only there to ignore

Belgium = Best
Nov 17th, 2003, 05:22 PM
A commentator said, in a match, "Justine is gonna be the sportswoman of the year"
so i think Justine is gonna win.

caseyl45
Nov 17th, 2003, 06:49 PM
Don't start a discussion with him/her. People like them are only there to ignore

My apologies. It's just that that's my number one pet peeve. I absolutely despise it when people don't apply the same treatment to everybody.

Lady
Nov 17th, 2003, 08:45 PM
Well, Justine is #1 Player right now, so it kinda means she's the best, right??

It would be so weird if they don't give to Justine!!

Hagar
Nov 18th, 2003, 07:47 AM
Justine can have it. This year. If next year, Kim does better at the Slams than Justine (I believe that this is possible) and wins the Masters on top of it, there won't be any doubt.

disposablehero
Nov 18th, 2003, 08:12 AM
As a Kim fan, I don't think this is fair. Not only has she won it four years in a row, but Justine has had the better year. Not only that, but I think Kim will outshine Justine next year, so they should not rob Justine of what may be her only shot at this award.

disposablehero
Nov 18th, 2003, 08:15 AM
Kim did it before, K. The first year that she won it I believe Domi was ranked above her at the end of the year (err can anyone confirm this, because I'm not 100% sure :o)

This is confirmed. In 1999 Kim was ranked about 40th, and Dominique was still in the top 20. It was fair though because Kim was 16 years old and absolutely trashed Dominiue in the Luxembourg Final.

disposablehero
Nov 18th, 2003, 08:24 AM
- At the end of the season she was clearly boss over Henin - I'll repeat what I said before. You're kidding, right? I guess if you call having a 2-4 head-to-head against someone "clearly" being the boss, then yeah.


Funny how people feel so comfortable to bend the statistics in favour of their own player. I wasn't aware the award was "Best Player from May 1 to December 31". If you want to talk about a year, it's 4-4. Justine had the bigger wins, congratulations to her. But lets not start pretending Kim was getting her ass kicked for 11 months.

Calvin
Nov 18th, 2003, 08:33 AM
There is no need for this thread whatsoever, except maybe for people moaning about the unfair treatment Justine always gets... I did a quick count in this thread: 17 people agree justine should win it, while 2 disagree (and only to stir up trouble that is).

It's obvious Justine is going to win it (deservedly), so lets wait for the results of the actual vote before we start complaining about unfairness ;)


(oh yes, about Els Jackxenss, I have inside information calling her ugly names, not to be repeated on a message board ;) )

arn
Nov 18th, 2003, 09:36 AM
My apologies. It's just that that's my number one pet peeve. I absolutely despise it when people don't apply the same treatment to everybody.

Well, you don't have to apologize (but accepted anyway ;) ), it was just an advice :)

space
Nov 18th, 2003, 01:02 PM
Well, Justine is #1 Player right now, so it kinda means she's the best, right??

It would be so weird if they don't give to Justine!!


#1 does not always mean you are the best.

caseyl45
Nov 18th, 2003, 03:43 PM
Funny how people feel so comfortable to bend the statistics in favour of their own player. I wasn't aware the award was "Best Player from May 1 to December 31". If you want to talk about a year, it's 4-4. Justine had the bigger wins, congratulations to her. But lets not start pretending Kim was getting her ass kicked for 11 months.

No, there's no bending of the statistics. The point I was trying to argue is, "At the end of the season she was clearly boss over Henin." Making an argument for that meant using statistics from the end of the season, hence the 2-4 record, 1-2 after Wimbledon.

And you're wrong. If you want to talk about a year, it's 5-4 in Clijsters' favor. You're right, Clijsters wasn't "getting her ass kicked" for 11 months. In fact, the only time she lost easily to Henin-Hardenne in those nine matches was at those two Grand Slam finals. The other seven matches were either wins by Clijsters, or close three-set matches. I don't have a problem admitting that.

ans
Nov 20th, 2003, 09:46 AM
Again such an endless discussion.
Me too, I think Justine deserves that trophy but I wouldn't be suprised at all if Kim wins it. Let's not blame her if this happens (she would probably give it to Justine anyway ;) )
Justinefans trying to denigrate Kim's win at the YEC are only nagging, sorry. If the other players were tired and not playing their best, we should be amazed at Kim still being that fit, not showing any sign of tiredness after having played the most matches of everyone this year (+ doubles). So the others being tired is kind of a pathetic excuse.
This said, I sincerely hope Justine wins it and is given the respect she deserves.

gopher
Nov 20th, 2003, 10:35 AM
I just have this feeling that Kim will win the trophy again.
As far as 1999 is concerned, she won the rookie of the year award in one of the most prestigious sports, beating Dokic and Stevenson that had shocked the world at Wimbledon.

Sorry to say but that was far more impressive than Van Roosts, sorry Monamis efforts in 1999. At that time, Kim was already the better player than Dominique. Monami would beat her for the last time at the AO 2000 in three difficult sets but that had more to do with experience and Clijsters having won the titel at Hobart just one day before.

The Crow
Nov 20th, 2003, 10:52 AM
Again such an endless discussion.
Me too, I think Justine deserves that trophy but I wouldn't be suprised at all if Kim wins it. Let's not blame her if this happens (she would probably give it to Justine anyway ;) )
Justinefans trying to denigrate Kim's win at the YEC are only nagging, sorry. If the other players were tired and not playing their best, we should be amazed at Kim still being that fit, not showing any sign of tiredness after having played the most matches of everyone this year (+ doubles). So the others being tired is kind of a pathetic excuse.
This said, I sincerely hope Justine wins it and is given the respect she deserves.

I completely agree with you.

The Crow
Nov 20th, 2003, 10:54 AM
I just have this feeling that Kim will win the trophy again.
As far as 1999 is concerned, she won the rookie of the year award in one of the most prestigious sports, beating Dokic and Stevenson that had shocked the world at Wimbledon.

Sorry to say but that was far more impressive than Van Roosts, sorry Monamis efforts in 1999. At that time, Kim was already the better player than Dominique. Monami would beat her for the last time at the AO 2000 in three difficult sets but that had more to do with experience and Clijsters having won the titel at Hobart just one day before.

The discussion was that not Domi deserved instead of Clijsters, but one of the judokas (have no idea anymore who or why, judo is not really my sport ;))

arn
Nov 20th, 2003, 11:04 AM
The discussion was that not Domi deserved instead of Clijsters, but one of the judokas (have no idea anymore who or why, judo is not really my sport ;))

Who else but Gella! :rolleyes: It was in the year she won everything (or just lost once) and she said it was not fair a 16-year-old girl ranked +-40 in the world gets it over someone who is the best in a sport.

carot
Nov 20th, 2003, 11:10 AM
Who else but Gella! :rolleyes:

It was Ulla.

The Crow
Nov 20th, 2003, 11:30 AM
Who else but Gella! :rolleyes: It was in the year she won everything (or just lost once) and she said it was not fair a 16-year-old girl ranked +-40 in the world gets it over someone who is the best in a sport.

Ulla or Gella, bottom point is that they were probably right.

The Crow
Nov 20th, 2003, 11:31 AM
Ulla or Gella, bottom point is that they were probably right.

... for once ;)

arn
Nov 20th, 2003, 01:38 PM
It was Ulla.

Are you sure? I'm positive I heard Gella complaining about it (maybe she did for Ulla)

arn
Nov 20th, 2003, 01:44 PM
Ulla or Gella, bottom point is that they were probably right.

mmm, that's a difficult one.

Tennis is much more competitive as Judo, people vote for sportsmen who passionate them/who were able to do something big, maybe Kim, with her fresh face, did it more that year as Ulla/Gella/Domi?!? If you only go by numbers, Sarkany (sp?) should have won it at least once. But that's not the way it works.

But i still agree Ulla/Gella should have won it that year ;)

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 20th, 2003, 03:32 PM
It was Ulla, I'm sure about that. Marleen Renders ended third if I remember well, she wasn't very happy either that Kim ended before her.

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 20th, 2003, 03:39 PM
mmm, that's a difficult one.

Tennis is much more competitive as Judo, people vote for sportsmen who passionate them/who were able to do something big, maybe Kim, with her fresh face, did it more that year as Ulla/Gella/Domi?!? If you only go by numbers, Sarkany (sp?) should have won it at least once. But that's not the way it works.

But i still agree Ulla/Gella should have won it that year ;)

But mountainclimbing isn't big in Belgium, and judo is (or should I say was). I can understand that Ulla, who won almost everything that year, including a worldtitle i think, was disappointed that she was beaten by someone who still had to prove everything. She thought it was a sign of disrespect towards what she did, and i can understand that (altough i don't really like her). And i understand that people vote for sportsmen who passionate them, but the award is chosen by sportsjournalist. I would expect a bit more objectivity from them.

fleemke³
Nov 20th, 2003, 03:49 PM
Yeah I think they had a point there .. if you win everything in a year, the highest you can go, and you lose against a girl who didn't do big things that year ... it must be hard.

Does anybody know when the awards are giving?

The Crow
Nov 20th, 2003, 05:36 PM
But mountainclimbing isn't big in Belgium, and judo is (or should I say was). I can understand that Ulla, who won almost everything that year, including a worldtitle i think, was disappointed that she was beaten by someone who still had to prove everything. She thought it was a sign of disrespect towards what she did, and i can understand that (altough i don't really like her). And i understand that people vote for sportsmen who passionate them, but the award is chosen by sportsjournalist. I would expect a bit more objectivity from them.

Objectivity from sport journalists? :lol: :haha:

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 20th, 2003, 05:41 PM
Does anybody know when the awards are giving?

17 decembre

Nominees are :

Kim Clijsters (tennis)
Virginie De Carne (volley)
Fabienne Dufour (zwemmen)
Justine Henin-Hardenne (tennis)
Kim Gevaert (atletiek)
Catherine Jacques (judo)
Muriel Sarkany (muurklimmen)
Kathleen Smet (triatlon)
Gella Vandecaveye (judo)
Ann Wauters (basket)

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Nov 20th, 2003, 05:42 PM
Objectivity from sport journalists? :lol: :haha:

Notice the words : a bit more ;)

Calvin
Dec 1st, 2003, 07:26 AM
looks like a "no Kim for Belgian sportswoman of the year" campaign in het Nieuwsblad and on VRT-teletekst :eek:

the lies! the lies! she dumped Ai several times in 2002, but they remained friends and 2003 was a great year for them! They decided ages ago to split up... :fiery:@nieuwsblad to print such blatent lies and :fiery:@teletekst to simply copy-paste it...

ah well, Justine deserves to win the award, but that doesn't mean Kim deserves this kinda crap!

(btw: vote for Ann Wauters too, even though she doesnt stand a chance of winning. She has remained her same old simple and nice self and is an example for all other athletes!)

The Crow
Dec 1st, 2003, 12:20 PM
So can we just conclude that sport journalists are stupid in general? ;)

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Dec 2nd, 2003, 12:51 PM
Wie wordt sportman en -vrouw ? 02-12-2003
De stemming voor de laureaten van het referendum sportman en -vrouw van het jaar zijn achter de rug. De topdrie van elke categorie ligt nu vast.

De sportman, sportvrouw, belofte en ploeg van het jaar is een stemming die jaarlijks georganiseerd wordt door de Belgische Beroepsbond van Sportjournalisten. 230 beroepsjournalisten en 12 ex-laureaten stuurden hun bulletin tijdig in bij gerechtsdeurwaarder Eric Maes. Allen hij weet op dit moment wie de winnaars zijn. Dit is de topdrie per categorie in alfabetische volgorde:

Sportman van het jaar
Stefan Everts (motorcross)
Filip Meirhaeghe (mountainbike)
Peter Van Petegem (wielrennen)

Sportvrouw van het jaar
Justine Henin-Hardenne (tennis)
Kim Clijsters (tennis)
Ann Wauters (basketbal)

Belofte van het jaar
Kirsten Flipkens (tennis)
Vincent Kompany (voetbal)
Johan Vansummeren (wielrennen)

Ploeg van het jaar
Vrouwen 4x100m atletiek
Nationaal basketteam vrouwen
Nationale motorcrossploeg

Raar alfabet hebben ze bij sport.be :scratch:

The Crow
Dec 2nd, 2003, 01:04 PM
Raar alfabet hebben ze bij sport.be :scratch:

:haha:

fleemke³
Dec 2nd, 2003, 01:04 PM
Liesje ik wilde da posten :sad: :p

Merci he :D

Vor mij:
Everts
Henin-Hardenne
Kompany of Flipkens (kan echt ni kiezen :eek: ) ma denk Flipper want heeft mss meer punten over het ganse jaar?
Den basket :)

Wimanna
Dec 2nd, 2003, 01:26 PM
As for me
Everts
Henin-Hardenne
Flipkens (still don't get why Kevin Strijbos isn't even mentioned in the selection list. He's 17, and finished 9th (!) in the MXGP class, where Everts became World Champion... :scratch: )

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Dec 2nd, 2003, 01:37 PM
My choice:

Sportman van het jaar
Peter Van Petegem (wielrennen)

Sportvrouw van het jaar
Justine Henin-Hardenne (tennis)

Belofte van het jaar
Kirsten Flipkens (tennis)

Ploeg van het jaar
Vrouwen 4x100m atletiek

Wimanna
Dec 2nd, 2003, 01:45 PM
As for me
Everts
Henin-Hardenne
Flipkens (still don't get why Kevin Strijbos isn't even mentioned in the selection list. He's 17, and finished 9th (!) in the MXGP class, where Everts became World Champion... :scratch: )

and I forgot.... team: Motocross Team :D :yeah:

arn
Dec 2nd, 2003, 03:15 PM
and I forgot.... team: Motocross Team :D :yeah:
oh, what a surpise :rolleyes: :p ;)

carot
Dec 2nd, 2003, 03:45 PM
Sportman van het jaar
Peter Van Petegem (wielrennen)

Sportvrouw van het jaar
Ann Wauters (basketbal)

Belofte van het jaar
Vincent Kompany (voetbal)

Ploeg van het jaar
Nationaal basketteam vrouwen

:bounce:

Wimanna
Dec 2nd, 2003, 04:13 PM
oh, what a surpise :rolleyes: :p ;)

Great event :devil: and Belgium defeated the American team :devil: Great sportsday :D

The Crow
Dec 2nd, 2003, 08:43 PM
I must say that my original question seems a bit stupid now :o

Come-on-kim
Dec 2nd, 2003, 08:45 PM
I must say that my original question seems a bit stupid now :o
:p ;)

Lady
Dec 2nd, 2003, 08:50 PM
I must say that my original question seems a bit stupid now :o

That's exactly what I'm thinking about right now!!! :lol: :lol:

Maybe it would be better to change the title of the thread? ;) :D

The Crow
Dec 4th, 2003, 09:47 AM
Maybe it would be better to change the title of the thread? ;) :D

Nah! I don't mind people knowing I'm stupid ;)

ans
Dec 6th, 2003, 10:44 AM
Well, after all the fuss around Kim, Justine can be sure of her award :)

pigam
Dec 6th, 2003, 08:42 PM
Well, after all the fuss around Kim, Justine can be sure of her award :)
Yeah, I think so too, although it's not (going to be) because of the fuss around Kim. Justine's season was just a little better this year (even without the OS-fuss)

Could the OS-fuss make Kim third in the election, you think :eek: :confused:

Brαm
Dec 6th, 2003, 08:44 PM
Yeah, I think so too, although it's not (going to be) because of the fuss around Kim. Justine's season was just a little better this year (even without the OS-fuss)

Could the OS-fuss make Kim third in the election, you think :eek: :confused:
I wouldn't bet on it. Kim & Justine are a lot more popular than Ann Wouters.

pigam
Dec 6th, 2003, 08:45 PM
Yeah, and besides (with all respect for An Wauters (who is maybe one of the 50 best players in the world) Kim is defenitly among the VERY best (I would say 4) players in the world, so she would deserve the 2nd place, IMHO

carot
Dec 7th, 2003, 08:59 AM
Yeah, and besides (with all respect for An Wauters (who is maybe one of the 50 best players in the world)

*maybe* one of the *50* best players in the world? :confused:

you do realise she gets elected mvp wherever she plays right? every team in the wnba draft wants her this january...id say she's definitely top ten in the world. and she's still so young, and i don't think - unlike tennis fi - bball is a sport where girls get their breakthrough when still this young (not sure about this though)

go anneke :bounce:

carot
Dec 7th, 2003, 09:01 AM
btw, something different, there was a column in yesterdays (?) de morgen which broke down every aspect of lei's personality lol :o finally someone aims at the right person

quotes are on teletext

Wimanna
Dec 7th, 2003, 10:36 AM
Yeah, I think so too, although it's not (going to be) because of the fuss around Kim. Justine's season was just a little better this year (even without the OS-fuss)

Could the OS-fuss make Kim third in the election, you think :eek: :confused:


Start shaking again...points for Sportwoman of the year were already known BEFORE the OG-story. ;)

ans
Dec 7th, 2003, 03:31 PM
Yeah, I think so too, although it's not (going to be) because of the fuss around Kim. Justine's season was just a little better this year (even without the OS-fuss)

Could the OS-fuss make Kim third in the election, you think :eek: :confused:


Yes, I know Justine's season was a little better and I know she deserves it more BUT this didn't mean she would get that award. Now with all the fuss around Kim I think some voters might change their mind. That's what I meant to say.

Oh and that "De Morgen" journalist is a :tape: . I know people who don't buy De Morgen anymore because the only thing he can write about is the Clijsters family. He seems to be obsessed by them, he must have some kind of trauma or something.

caafje
Dec 7th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Oh and that "De Morgen" journalist is a :tape: . I know people who don't buy De Morgen anymore because the only thing he can write about is the Clijsters family. He seems to be obsessed by them, he must have some kind of trauma or something.

It was only the third or fourth time this year he wrote about her.
It looks to me like LC is much more obsessed with De Morgen and other Belgian newspapers than vice versa :tape:

I'm very happy with the fact that De Morgen refuses to crawl up LC's ass, like a lot of journalists would do in order to get 'interviews' with Kim Clijsters. Cause that's what it comes down to these days: write one not-all-positive article about the Clijsters family and LC 'bannes' you. It's just pathetic.

I hope Hans Vandeweghe continues to write his brilliant columns; no matter what sport he writes about (most of the time it' football), his column is always dead-funny, to the point and well-written.

ans
Dec 7th, 2003, 05:05 PM
It was only the third or fourth time this year he wrote about her.
It looks to me like LC is much more obsessed with De Morgen and other Belgian newspapers than vice versa :tape:

I'm very happy with the fact that De Morgen refuses to crawl up LC's ass, like a lot of journalists would do in order to get 'interviews' with Kim Clijsters. Cause that's what it comes down to these days: write one not-all-positive article about the Clijsters family and LC 'bannes' you. It's just pathetic.

I hope Hans Vandeweghe continues to write his brilliant columns; no matter what sport he writes about (most of the time it' football), his column is always dead-funny, to the point and well-written.

Lei Clijsters didn't even say one word about the whole Olympcs-affair. They were just digging up old comments of his, so people can go on and on and on and on about it. I don't agree with him, and I don't like his attitude either but that Hans Vandeweghe guy is just plain rude. He might be dead-funny and to the point, people trying to score by insulting other people don't get my sympathy, sorry.