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heavyaction
Nov 7th, 2003, 08:30 PM
I think the round robin format is a bit problematic. For example, Kim (with a 2-0 record) is already qualified for the semis. And Dementieva (with a 0-2) is definitely not. So why should they have to play the next match versus Mauresmo and Rubin, respectively?

What incentive is there for them to win other than pride?

I think they should have a re-match between Mauresmo and Rubin to determine the other semi-finalist.

GoDominique
Nov 7th, 2003, 08:50 PM
No.

cmasters
Nov 7th, 2003, 08:51 PM
There are bonus points at stake plus Dementieva can still finish third in the group and third gets more prize money than fourth. Also I think Mauresmo can still win the group if she beats Clijsters in straight sets. So these matches are necessary to determine who will play whom in the semi's.

heavyaction
Nov 7th, 2003, 09:03 PM
There are bonus points at stake plus Dementieva can still finish third in the group and third gets more prize money than fourth.

Cool. But money is not a strong motivation when you know that you can't go further.

Also I think Mauresmo can still win the group if she beats Clijsters in straight sets. So these matches are necessary to determine who will play whom in the semi's.

These matches may be necessary to determine the semis set-up, but if I were Dementieva and I don't care about money, I don't care how I play in my match against Rubin.

So how will the semis be determined? #1 in Black vs. #2 in Red, and vice-a-versa?

Hawk
Nov 7th, 2003, 09:09 PM
Cool. But money is not a strong motivation when you know that you can't go further.



These matches may be necessary to determine the semis set-up, but if I were Dementieva and I don't care about money, I don't care how I play in my match against Rubin.

So how will the semis be determined? #1 in Black vs. #2 in Red, and vice-a-versa?

Yup #1 in Black vs. #2 in Red and vice-versa. Which is why you want to finish first in your group. So the Kim/Momo match means something..if Amelie beats Kim in straight sets then Kim will finish #2. If I'm not mistaken..Kim doesn't need to win this match to finish first though..all she needs to do that is take one set off Momo.

heavyaction
Nov 7th, 2003, 09:14 PM
Yup #1 in Black vs. #2 in Red and vice-versa. Which is why you want to finish first in your group. So the Kim/Momo match means something..if Amelie beats Kim in straight sets then Kim will finish #2. If I'm not mistaken..Kim doesn't need to win this match to finish first though..all she needs to do that is take one set off Momo.

But what's the point of finishing #1 or #2 in your group, other than $$$?

I mean, what if Henin finishes #2 in the other group? Would Kim necessarily want to meet her in the semis? Also, if Kim wants Amelie to be in the semis instead of Chanda b/c she feels that Amelie might have a better chance to defeat her foe Justine before she gets to her, she would allow Amelie to defeat her.

In other words, players can infuse strategy in the wins/losses.

heavyaction
Nov 7th, 2003, 09:19 PM
Actually, I just found out that there are no $$$ differences between #1 and #2; all semi-finalists make the same $$$.

After the results of Ai/Myskina and Jen/Justine matches, before her match against Amelie tonight, Kim can somewhat predict who will be the #1 and who will be #2 in the other group.

Hawk
Nov 7th, 2003, 10:35 PM
But what's the point of finishing #1 or #2 in your group, other than $$$?

I mean, what if Henin finishes #2 in the other group? Would Kim necessarily want to meet her in the semis? Also, if Kim wants Amelie to be in the semis instead of Chanda b/c she feels that Amelie might have a better chance to defeat her foe Justine before she gets to her, she would allow Amelie to defeat her.

In other words, players can infuse strategy in the wins/losses.

True, but you would expect the best player to finish #1 in their group. When you look at it you'd think Justine finishes #1 in her group..so Kim wouldn't have to face her in the semi's.

Kim could possible assume Justine will finish #2 and as a result let Momo win, so Justine/Momo face off in the semi's..but that's fixing the match, which isn't legal, and comes with a heavy fine. It's not strategy if you predetermine the outcome of a match, that's fixing it.

nitsansh
Nov 8th, 2003, 04:13 AM
Well...
after the results in the black group, Henin is almost secured in 1st place (I think 1 set against Sugiyama will do that), so whoever finish top in this group will play Myskina or Capriati in the semi.
Clijsters needs just a set to guaranty her 1st position, if she gets that there's nothing at stake for her except quality points and pride...
I think the scoring system in the men's Masters is better... they get points and $$$ for each win in the round-robin stage so have more at stake in a situation that their qualification to the semifinal is allready determined...

heavyaction
Nov 10th, 2003, 03:18 AM
If Mauresmo beats Kim tomorrow, the winner will have a 3-2 record, whereas the runner-up will have a 4-1 record in the tournament.