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Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:01 PM
(Sorry Steam I know I shoulda post this in your topic but I wanted folk who didnt see the Emmys to know bout this)

If y'all didnt see the Emmys they put Wanda Sykes in the audience to holla at folks in their seats. Miss Wanda was just bein ghetto fabulous Miss Wanda doin what's gettin her paid (not just on her sitcom but her other things on the side like that NFL thing she do with George Lopez).

Anyway she talkin to folk from diffrent shows and then she come up on Bill Cosby who is there to recieve a special award. She say somethin like how The Cosby Show broke a lotta ground and Cosby answered (without even showin some respect and makin eye contact with her like all those other peeps did) "We spoke English". :rolleyes: That was his way of dissin her like if we read his mind he was thinkin "Sit down pickaninny". :mad: It was so effin rude like Cosby was sayin that Miss Wanda was bringin the race down by bein there. :mad:

I know Cosby got mad juice but he was still effin rude!

decemberlove
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:08 PM
well i can certainly see where hes coming from.

you want to even the playing field, you have to be willing to break the mold of the stereotypical black person instead of fitting into it to make white people laugh.

King Satan
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:09 PM
that's some messed up stuff. *shakes head*

I love miss wanda. she had me on the floor when she came out on Inside The NFL :lol:

tazban1
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:15 PM
Bill Cosby kind of has a history of being rather judgemental of black entertainers. I remember that Eddie Murphy did a bit about it a long time ago.

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:23 PM
well i can certainly see where hes coming from.

you want to even the playing field, you have to be willing to break the mold of the stereotypical black person instead of fitting into it to make white people laugh.


Miss Dlove the thing was Cosby shouldnt have tripped cuz Miss Wanda was just reppin herself and not the black race and another thing last night besides Cosby other black folk won Emmys so there was balance. Would Cosby been just like that if Margret Choe be talkin to him with her chinese accent or George Lopez doin his spanish ish? Lotta comedian got ehtnic type a humor. Some do Miss Wanda's thing but in a jewish way or italian way but u think Cosby gon get on them bout it? To me it wasnt fair and I lost respect for Cosby. :mad:

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:26 PM
Bill Cosby kind of has a history of being rather judgemental of black entertainers. I remember that Eddie Murphy did a bit about it a long time ago.

I neva heard that but I aint surprised. Eddie probably tol him where to go. :lol: :o

Pureracket
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:28 PM
Cosby is simply Cosby. He has made it his own philosophy to always put an intelligent and "positive" face on Black issues in America. Some people don't feel the same way.

For instance, Miss Thang, I love you, and I don't know of a nicer person on this board, but I definitely can see how many people could almost be offended by your "perfectly ebonic" diction and word usage.

decemberlove
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:30 PM
i dont think he was directing it at just HER, i think he meant in general all the black shows on tv now and BET. hes prolly digusted when he turns on the tv now... the quality of tv has really decreased. hes from a different era than we all are and hes not at all used to this behaviour. people acting ghetto just to please others. theres not much asian or spanish humor around, but if there were and everyone was throwing themselves into that stereotype to make it funny, im sure hed say the same thing.

why would you want to place yourself into the little box made for you just to make people laugh?

anyway, i LOVE bill cosby. one of thebetter comics ever. nothing but love for him here.

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:38 PM
Cosby is simply Cosby. He has made it his own philosophy to always put an intelligent and "positive" face on Black issues in America. Some people don't feel the same way.

I hear ya boo but Miss Wanda was doin exactly what she get paid to do just like that man from Larry Sanders show was doin his ish. Black folk have come far to where u don't got to worry that the way person act gon bring down the whole race. Thats all I'm sayin.

For instance, Miss Thang, I love you, and I don't know of a nicer person on this board, but I definitely can see how many people could almost be offended by your "perfectly ebonic" diction and word usage.

Boo I luv also especially for keepin it real. :kiss: But that's what I was tellin the other sista's on that thread bout me. The way I am up in here aint no reflection on them and folk who aint black know that. I know I'm ghetto but thats who I am. Just cuz Miss Rocketta or Miss CC or Miss SJW or Miss Cari talk to me or answer my topic dont mean they ghetto also. Boo I know folk could get offended but they shouldnt cuz like I said I'm just reppin for myself. :)

Miss Dlove I gotta go laundry girl but I'm a answer your post later. :wavey:

Rocketta
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:56 PM
I think its a big difference between having a discussion amongst yourself about how comedians should act and etc. and being disrespectful. What he did was way more ignorant than anything Wanda said or did that evening. Bill Cosby is full of himself. That has nothing to do with black pride and a lot to do with stuckupedness. Thinking your better than people and the like. Wanda was being herself and Cosby should have at the minimum been cordial.

He's a prick who most of the black comedians can't stand.

Serendy Willick
Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:27 PM
I am so tired of Blacks being critisized for representing their ethnicity while Whites and Spanish gets no critisisms for it. Bill Cosby struck me last night as one of those arrogant self-rightious people with a "please certian people at all cost" mentality. I lost a lot of respect for him that night. How has TV decreased because blacks are sharing the customs of their culture and ethnicity? How has BET not been culturally positive? Okay, some of their videos leave a lot to be desired, but it is no different than what MTV is showing.

decemberlove
Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:40 PM
i can see why people would get upset about what bill did, but i can also see the flip side.

enough is enough. get some new material basically.

BET... owned by mostly jews. guns, sex, drugs... real good influence and representation of all blacks in america, right? :rolleyes: and yeah, i feel the same way about MTV. both are POS tv channels.

Pureracket
Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:47 PM
I am so tired of Blacks being critisized for representing their ethnicity while Whites and Spanish gets no critisisms for it. Bill Cosby struck me last night as one of those arrogant self-rightious people with a "please certian people at all cost" mentality. I lost a lot of respect for him that night. How has TV decreased because blacks are sharing the customs of their culture and ethnicity? How has BET not been culturally positive? Okay, some of their videos leave a lot to be desired, but it is no different than what MTV is showing.

BET is not culturally positive to any culture. Most of the Black and Brown women that I see in life are hard working and sincere women. They don't walk around gyrating their breasts and asses around VERY, VERY unattractive (you all can't seriously think that JayZ and TrickDaddy are cute) rappers.

Serendy Willick
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:19 PM
BET is not culturally positive to any culture. Most of the Black and Brown women that I see in life are hard working and sincere women. They don't walk around gyrating their breasts and asses around VERY, VERY unattractive (you all can't seriously think that JayZ and TrickDaddy are cute) rappers.

Yea (I've already said that I'm not too fond of the videos that they show). But they also have insightful and inspirational gospel programs, Teen Summit (do they still have that? :confused: ) and hip shows that dont degrade Black Women like 106 and Park and Rap City. BET certainly isnt perfect,but to make it like it just degrades people is not right.

DunkMachine
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:38 PM
I can't help but nod a little in Bill's direction on thisone. I love Wanda Sikes-Hall and her work but I think that the "Gettofabulous"-look is just a way of drawing unneeded attention.

I can understand that Cosby feels ashamed when he sees Shaneequa walking around with her red and green weaves and gold teeth.(just an example)

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:49 PM
i dont think he was directing it at just HER, i think he meant in general all the black shows on tv now and BET. hes prolly digusted when he turns on the tv now... the quality of tv has really decreased. hes from a different era than we all are and hes not at all used to this behaviour. people acting ghetto just to please others.

Miss Dlove I know what u sayin but does this mean that EVERY black show on TV gotta be like The Cosby Show? I like the way it is now cuz u got all kinda black shows. Look at how diffrent UPN Monday is from Bernie Mac to Wanda's show? Aint that the kinda diversity that black folk want?

theres not much asian or spanish humor around, but if there were and everyone was throwing themselves into that stereotype to make it funny, im sure hed say the same thing.

I don't know girl. I think if it was Margret Choe actin the fool like Miss Wanda Cosby probably talk nicely to Margret.

why would you want to place yourself into the little box made for you just to make people laugh?

Girl do u think white folk feel embarassed to be white by Jackass? I don't think so and thats why I dont black folk should get embarass if Miss Wanda wanna be ghetto fab.

anyway, i LOVE bill cosby. one of thebetter comics ever. nothing but love for him here.

I respect what the brotha has done but I didn't like any of his shows. Sorry.

CC
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:50 PM
May I ask, what was her response?

Martian KC
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:52 PM
He was rude and a sourpuss throughout the entire night, even through the post interview.

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:52 PM
I think its a big difference between having a discussion amongst yourself about how comedians should act and etc. and being disrespectful. What he did was way more ignorant than anything Wanda said or did that evening. Bill Cosby is full of himself. That has nothing to do with black pride and a lot to do with stuckupedness. Thinking your better than people and the like. Wanda was being herself and Cosby should have at the minimum been cordial.

He's a prick who most of the black comedians can't stand.

Preach girl! :worship: Every comedy person who was up there was doin what they do and Miss Wanda was doin her thing just like everybody else. The way he didnt even look at her when she was talkin to him made him look like he think his ish don't stink. :rolleyes:

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:54 PM
May I ask, what was her response?

Girllllll Miss Wanda heard him but like a pro she kept it movin, talked to somebody else and then it was back to the show.

Miss Thang
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:59 PM
I am so tired of Blacks being critisized for representing their ethnicity while Whites and Spanish gets no critisisms for it. Bill Cosby struck me last night as one of those arrogant self-rightious people with a "please certian people at all cost" mentality. I lost a lot of respect for him that night. How has TV decreased because blacks are sharing the customs of their culture and ethnicity? How has BET not been culturally positive? Okay, some of their videos leave a lot to be desired, but it is no different than what MTV is showing.

Girl I hear ya! Yeah I know BET aint all that but they've had rnb and hip hop's back for a minute not lime MTV who took its sweet ass time to ply any ish by black folk. If BET aint nothin but reppin sista's as video ho's to some peeps then what does Jackass say bout white dudes? :lol:

I'm a go cuz Parkers is comin on. :wavey:

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:01 AM
Miss Dlove I know what u sayin but does this mean that EVERY black show on TV gotta be like The Cosby Show? I like the way it is now cuz u got all kinda black shows. Look at how diffrent UPN Monday is from Bernie Mac to Wanda's show? Aint that the kinda diversity that black folk want?

I don't know girl. I think if it was Margret Choe actin the fool like Miss Wanda Cosby probably talk nicely to Margret.

Girl do u think white folk feel embarassed to be white by Jackass? I don't think so and thats why I dont black folk should get embarass if Miss Wanda wanna be ghetto fab.

no but white people, particularly men, arent struggling for equality. they arent placed in the box cos they MADE the boxes to place others in.

i just hate any type of stereotypical show. i think people need to break the mold instead of fitting in to get easy laughs from the white majority.

dont watch upn so i cant comment on that.

I respect what the brotha has done but I didn't like any of his shows. Sorry.

have you ever even seen his stand-up? hes a brilliant comedian. cant think of any comedy fan that really hates on him. that one stand-up of his is a fucking CLASSIC.

CC
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:02 AM
Girllllll Miss Wanda heard him but like a pro she kept it movin, talked to somebody else and then it was back to the show.
Thanks.



Even though I agree with him to an extent, I think all comedians have a schtick that they do, and I don't necessarily think Wanda Sykes-Hall is ghetto (it might be that high-pitch, strained voice that she has). Interestingly, it is her somewhat serious delivery conflicting with her voice that makes her very amusing to me.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:55 AM
Oh Wanda's response was to then dog one of Bill Cosby's shows.... :lol:

What she did was start talking about Larry David's show and how it's improvisational and how they make stuff up as they go and then she looked at Bill and said kind of like your show the Cosby mysteries...:lol:

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:04 AM
Oh Wanda's response was to then dog one of Bill Cosby's shows.... :lol:

What she did was start talking about Larry David's show and how it's improvisational and how they make stuff up as they go and then she looked at Bill and said kind of like your show the Cosby mysteries...:lol:

ha! :lol:

wanda is funny as hell on CYE. the best is when she saw larry go out to lunch with his tv guy that he was firing, and he went back to the table to leave a better tip. wanda flips... then wanda figured out that the cable guy had it all right, larry just didnt turn on the box :lol:

Martian KC
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:06 AM
Oh Wanda's response was to then dog one of Bill Cosby's shows.... :lol:

What she did was start talking about Larry David's show and how it's improvisational and how they make stuff up as they go and then she looked at Bill and said kind of like your show the Cosby mysteries...:lol:

:lol: Classic!

Knizzle
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:14 AM
I didn't hear Bill talking proper English in "Uptown Saturday Night" or "Let's Do it Again"

I guess that was before he became "Dr." Cosby. :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:31 AM
ha! :lol:

wanda is funny as hell on CYE. the best is when she saw larry go out to lunch with his tv guy that he was firing, and he went back to the table to leave a better tip. wanda flips... then wanda figured out that the cable guy had it all right, larry just didnt turn on the box :lol:

Another hilarious episode...:lol:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:32 AM
I didn't hear Bill talking proper English in "Uptown Saturday Night" or "Let's Do it Again"

I guess that was before he became "Dr." Cosby. :rolleyes:

huh, how soon they forget! :o

Knizzle
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:38 AM
Uptown is probably my favorite movie of all time.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:59 AM
Uptown is probably my favorite movie of all time.

I love both of them too. :)

Knizzle
Sep 23rd, 2003, 03:14 AM
I love both of them too. :)

Sharp Eye Washington, steady on the case.... steady on the case. LOL!!

IcePrincess
Sep 23rd, 2003, 10:30 AM
I gotta support Miss Thang on this one.

Bill Cosby was just plain RUDE.

I know he's a TV legend, well-educated, blah-blah-blah.

But that gives him NO RIGHT to try and belittle and intimidate a younger, up-and-coming entertainer. As a man of his intelligence, you would think he'd be aware that Wanda was just doing her "shtick".

It's called Diversity.

Dear Dr. Cosby,

Your shit stinks. Just like everybody else's.

Tootles!

:wavey:

Rtael
Sep 23rd, 2003, 10:45 AM
I don't know girl. I think if it was Margret Choe actin the fool like Miss Wanda Cosby probably talk nicely to Margret.






Cause Cosby ain't no fool.....he know Miss Cho would beat his ass down like it ain't never got beat down before if he fucked with her! (representing for Miss Cho ova here!)

Rtael
Sep 23rd, 2003, 10:45 AM
BTW The Cosby Show was the most annoying piece of crap show I've ever seen....sorry to everyone who doesn't agree with me, but that show SUCKED!

doloresc
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:07 PM
i didn't see the show but i do want to say that bill cosby is a brilliant comedian. i hope some of you can put aside your feelings and listen to "to russell, my brother, whom i slept with". you will laugh incessantly (until you're crying) and those of you with siblings will relate to all his hilarious scenarios. it really is a classic (recorded in the late 60's).

doloresc
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:10 PM
BTW The Cosby Show was the most annoying piece of crap show I've ever seen....sorry to everyone who doesn't agree with me, but that show SUCKED!

i completely disagree! "the cosby show" broke many barriers and presented scenarios that everyone could relate to. one of the secondary things i enjoyed were the wonderful opening credits that they'd change every year. i can't even pick a favorite because i loved them all. :)

Cariaoke
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:18 PM
he might be a brilliant comedian but that doesn't give him license to be an asshole.

the cosby show was great, though.

doloresc
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:23 PM
i just hate any type of stereotypical show. i think people need to break the mold instead of fitting in to get easy laughs from the white majority.

decemberlove, i apologize in advance for bringing up our "ask black people anything" discussion again but your comment (above), as well as other comments you've made on this thread, has me confused.

you've spoken often about your love for the hbo show, "the wire". keeping that in mind, and your statement that you "hate any type of stereotypical show", i offer this run-down of characters from "the wire":

-Avon
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/avon.jpg
Life in jail is not so difficult for Avon, the powerful head of the drug crew that controls The Terrace

-Bodie
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_bodie.jpg
Although Bodie's ready for the work, the product his crew sells is poor quality, and the junkies are now heading elsewhere for fixes

-Bubbles
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/bubbles.jpg
Back on the street, Bubbles and Johnny are still running scams for fixes

-Stringer
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_stringer.jpg
D'Angelo can link Stringer to the murder of Wallace.

-Poot
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_poot.jpg
When territory expansion becomes a must, Poot's there with Bodie recruiting muscle and showing force

-Omar
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_omar.jpg
Omar returns to Baltimore with a new boyfriend and the same m.o.--stealing from stash houses

-D'angelo
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_dangelo.jpg
D'Angelo has started snorting heroin as a way of coping with his 20-year sentence for drug trafficking

-Weebey
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_weebey.jpg
It seems Wee-Bey murdered one of Officer Tilghman's cousins many years ago

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here a couple of positive black characters (just to show they do balance it out):

-Moreland
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/castlanding/thelaw_bunk_moreland.jpg
Even though he doesn't swim, Moreland is one of McNulty's first visitors on Harbor Patrol

-Freamon
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/castlanding/thelaw_lester_freamon.jpg
On the personal front, Freamon's sparks with the stripper Shardene have fanned into a full-on relationship.
*********
decemberlove, as i told you before, i'm sure "the wire" is compelling but it just seems to me that these black characters from "the wire" are the types you are comfortable with, which i find ironic for someone who says they don't like stereotypes.

doloresc
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:38 PM
he might be a brilliant comedian but that doesn't give him license to be an asshole.

the cosby show was great, though.

point taken, cariosity. mr.cosby was definitely out of line in this situation.

mentos
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:18 PM
I think its a big difference between having a discussion amongst yourself about how comedians should act and etc. and being disrespectful. What he did was way more ignorant than anything Wanda said or did that evening. Bill Cosby is full of himself. That has nothing to do with black pride and a lot to do with stuckupedness. Thinking your better than people and the like. Wanda was being herself and Cosby should have at the minimum been cordial.
You said it, Rocketta!!
Wanda was being herself, and The Cos was being himself, too—infinitely smug. I view his reaction to Wanda as a distancing of himself from what he thinks she represents.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:30 PM
decemberlove, i apologize in advance for bringing up our "ask black people anything" discussion again but your comment (above), as well as other comments you've made on this thread, has me confused.

you've spoken often about your love for the hbo show, "the wire". keeping that in mind, and your statement that you "hate any type of stereotypical show", i offer this run-down of characters from "the wire":
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decemberlove, as i told you before, i'm sure "the wire" is compelling but it just seems to me that these black characters from "the wire" are the types you are comfortable with, which i find ironic for someone who says they don't like stereotypes.

no i dont like stereotypes but the wire is based off real characters from b.more... its not a made up sitcom with some loud mouth black girl saying the same crap over and over just to make the white watchers laugh. the wire is meant to be a satire and at the same time tell the story of gov't involvement in the underground markets. david simon [the creator] said something recently about taking all the stereotypes about EVERYONE, picking them apart, and basically making fun of them. yet is still hasnt felt the need to resort to the loud black girl, thank god.

the show is nothing like the description on the website, much more complex and every character has real emotion, no one is a cold-hearted killer like often portrayed in drug shoes. its not a bad vs. good type thing. but of course you wouldnt know this cos youve never seen it, so who are you to judge??

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:48 PM
i completely disagree! "the cosby show" broke many barriers and presented scenarios that everyone could relate to. one of the secondary things i enjoyed were the wonderful opening credits that they'd change every year. i can't even pick a favorite because i loved them all. :)

rtael is young, so you cant expect him to actually know anything about good entertainment. not really his fault.

doloresc
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:52 PM
no i dont like stereotypes but the wire is based off real characters from b.more... its not a made up sitcom with some loud mouth black girl saying the same crap over and over just to make the white watchers laugh. the wire is meant to be a satire and at the same time tell the story of gov't involvement in the underground markets. david simon [the creator] said something recently about taking all the stereotypes about EVERYONE, picking them apart, and basically making fun of them. yet is still hasnt felt the need to resort to the loud black girl, thank god.

the show is nothing like the description on the website, much more complex and every character has real emotion, no one is a cold-hearted killer like often portrayed in drug shoes. its not a bad vs. good type thing. but of course you wouldnt know this cos youve never seen it, so who are you to judge??

decemberlove, i haven't seen the show but the issue here is that you say "i hate stereotypes" yet you make concessions with a show that depicts the MAJORITY of its BLACK characters as drug dealers, a role NOT uncommon for black actors. you come across as a bright, logical person but i am completely baffled by your comments on this thread.

on "ask black people anything", you weren't even flexible enough to go along with the idea of "six feet under" being portrayed by an all black cast yet you have no problems with the black cast members of "the wire" portraying lowlifes, albeit "interesting" lowlifes as you've illustrated. you seem very comfortable to watch blacks in those type of roles.

with all due respect but it sounds like your views are just as limited as the loud black girl you've described here.

doloresc
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:56 PM
rtael is young, so you cant expect him to actually know anything about good entertainment. not really his fault.

thanks, decemberlove. i didn't realize that. i know there are some young posters but i thought "the cosby show" was popular enough for everyone to have seen, even in syndication.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 03:02 PM
its basically a TRUE story thou

the characters are based off actual characters in baltimore... all the writers of the show have lived in baltimore several years and have interviewed criminals, worked with the police department, locals, people on the docks etc. the bad and good guys both come in a array of different backgrounds, socioeco classes, ethnicities, etc. its not bad black boys vs good white boys with two black guys thrown in the miz of cops for good measure. which is what you are presenting it as.

originally i was speaking on stereotypes presented as comedy over and over again, with no new material. the white helpless housewife, the loud black or rican girl, the druggie white teenager, the funny mexican, etc.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 03:10 PM
thanks, decemberlove. i didn't realize that. i know there are some young posters but i thought "the cosby show" was popular enough for everyone to have seen, even in syndication.

i grew up with cosby. love the guy but i think a lot of people younger than me dont even realize hes done stand-up, they just automatically assume hes only done shows. i actually have one of his stand-ups on record :D classic.

Knizzle
Sep 23rd, 2003, 03:12 PM
BTW The Cosby Show was the most annoying piece of crap show I've ever seen....sorry to everyone who doesn't agree with me, but that show SUCKED!

The Cosby Show was good then and it's still good now.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:37 PM
Why exactly do people who speak slang or what is commonly now called "ebonics" :rolleyes: think that they're keeping it real? Keeping what real? Ebonics doesn't represent all black people or black culture. Culture is defined in the music, the art, the food, the customs of a people not a bunch of "dis" or "dat" or whatever new word is in. Is slang that is all. Its not some culturally defining element for black people.

Do you see white people rabidly running around defending the use of totally tubular or rad or whatever slang they came up with? Whatever.

Also bill cosby rocks and his show rocks or rocked as it may be. Also Girlfriends and Half and Half rocks on UPN. Personally Half and Half I feel is one of the funniest shows on television. Funnier than Friends by a whole lot of laughs.

The Parkers stink. Being loud and obnoxious does not mean you are funny just irritating.

Also why doesn't the wb or upn or fox come up with a black drama? Where is the Darrell's Creek for black people? Where is the Leticia the Vampire Slayer? :lol:

Showtimes has the fabulous Soulfood but outside of that nothing. Also as a gay black male I am represented nowhere on telesion in a positive way except six feet under! Everything ielse is just a rehased limp wristed stereotype that is old as dirt. Like the latest episode of girlfriends. Please can we have a gay black male represented as more than that please? Its offensive.

harloo
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:48 PM
Miss Thang, I'm glad you brought light to this topic because it really bothered me when I saw the playback on Kimmel late night. Kimmel is so funny, he showed a clip from the Emmys followed by one of the characters in FAT ALBERT speaking.(slang and all). LMAO!

What I find so disturbing about Cosby's dissing of Wanda was the fact that he acted so rude in a public setting. Of course, this is not Mr. Cosby's first run in with black comedians. He has made a second career out of dissing black comedians he feels are too slapstick for his taste. Never has cosby went on a vent about white, latino, etc comedians who perpetuate stereotypes. As a matter of fact when Ray Romano stated that he wanted to be a "BLACK" comedian because of the influence of Cosby he was all giggles.

Even though I love the Cosby show, and think Bill is a great comedian I have lost all respect for him. I just will not condone him treating another sista with such hatred regardless of what he feels about her act.

How dare he claim that "they spoke english" when some of his characters of the past have been nothing but stereotypes. We have not forgotten uptown saturday night, or fat albert.

The problem is that Wanda Sykes is not a slapstick comedian, she has payed her dues and he should of at least been respectful. But no! He thinks he is too good to respect people and comes off as an arrogant jerk.

Sorry, I am done with Cosby.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:51 PM
who says Wanda is keeping it real for all black folks? She is being herself. Pretending like all Black people are like Bill Cosby is also an erroneous fallacy. What makes Wanda and her act not positive, btw? The only negative thing I saw last night was a so-called educated person act like an uppity fool who thinks he is above someone.

I think there should be more well rounded aspects of black life displayed on TV. That doesn't mean we don't all know people like "The Parkers" cause we see them everyday.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:57 PM
Youre right he should not have said that in public. However why would he give a damn about white or latino or asian comics and what they do? Black people are supposed to be a community. Why would he care about someone outside the community? Let them worry about how they represent their own community.

This reminds me of something I saw on the today show a while back about black women and "shifting". These two professional black women wrote a book about how black women act different in different situations and how it is emotionally distressing. Like how at work they must speak one way and act one way and while at home they speak and act another. Well welcome to the real world that everyone else lives in sisters! Who the hell doesn't do that? Do you thinK I speak the same way to my friends as I do to my parents? Hell no. Do you think I act the same way in church as I do at the basket ball game? Hell no!

Whats so distressing about that? Why did that crap need a book? Noone acts the same or talks the same in every situation. I just wanted to slap them.

Knizzle
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:00 PM
The Parkers stink. Being loud and obnoxious does not mean you are funny just irritating.

I find the Parkers to be very funny, Mo'nique is a gifted comedienne.

Also why doesn't the wb or upn or fox come up with a black drama? Where is the Darrell's Creek for black people? Where is the Leticia the Vampire Slayer? :lol:

Aren't you perpetuating a stereotype by suggesting the name Darrell's Creek or Leticia the Vampire Slayer??

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:02 PM
who says Wanda is keeping it real for all black folks? She is being herself. Pretending like all Black people are like Bill Cosby is also an erroneous fallacy. What makes Wanda and her act not positive, btw? The only negative thing I saw last night was a so-called educated person act like an uppity fool who thinks he is above someone.

I think there should be more well rounded aspects of black life displayed on TV. That doesn't mean we don't all know people like "The Parkers" cause we see them everyday.


Of course there are people like the parkers. Fine. But can the show at least be funny? Being loud and obnoxious does not mean funny. No matter who the show is about. I know people like the people on friends. is that show funny? Hell no. I know people like the beverly hill billies but do I think that show is funny. Hell no.

wanda imo is fine. i havent seen her show but i have caught her act and seen her on chris rock. Shes funny.

Whats not funny is watching black comedians go on the stage and denigrate black people. you know like the black people don't pay bills, black people cheat, black people steal, black people do anything and everything under the sun to get over.... whatever. Not all black people are like that. maybe its a class issue.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:05 PM
I find the Parkers to be very funny, Mo'nique is a gifted comedienne.



Aren't you perpetuating a stereotype by suggesting the name Darrell's Creek or Leticia the Vampire Slayer??

how is a black female vampire slayer a sterotype? There has NEVER been a black female vampire slayer!

also a culturally identified name is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact not all stereotypes are bad. Do you think asians who are stereotyped as being serious above average students find that as bad? I'll have to go find out.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:18 PM
Of course there are people like the parkers. Fine. But can the show at least be funny? Being loud and obnoxious does not mean funny. No matter who the show is about. I know people like the people on friends. is that show funny? Hell no. I know people like the beverly hill billies but do I think that show is funny. Hell no.

You didn't say you objected to The Parkers cause you didn't think they were funny. You made it seem you object because you feel they are stereotypical. I don't even watch the Parkers so I don't know if they are funny or not. My point was that people might like the Parkers because they know people like that and its funny to see a parady of those people?


wanda imo is fine. i havent seen her show but i have caught her act and seen her on chris rock. Shes funny.

I think she's funny too!


Whats not funny is watching black comedians go on the stage and denigrate black people. you know like the black people don't pay bills, black people cheat, black people steal, black people do anything and everything under the sun to get over.... whatever. Not all black people are like that. maybe its a class issue.

Black Comedians go on stage and talk about what they know which would be black people. Who are they suppose to pick fun of the hard working Joe who puts his kids through school by working 2 or 3 jobs? That's not funny or anything to pick fun at. To me the only one airing dirty laundry and denigrating black people that night was Bill Cosby. Mr. pseudo educated himself. That's the sad part. He thinks he's high brow but he's really an egotistical jerk who thinks way too highly of himself. Eddie Murphy said it best in his stand-up.....:tape:

I still find it funny that the guy who created "Fat Albert" wants get on his high horse and put down the way other people speak?

btw, I love Fat Albert but his creator well he's a :tape:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:22 PM
how is a black female vampire slayer a sterotype? There has NEVER been a black female vampire slayer!

also a culturally identified name is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact not all stereotypes are bad. Do you think asians who are stereotyped as being serious above average students find that as bad? I'll have to go find out.

I think he meant the names you picked, ie Leticia & Darrell

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:26 PM
I think he meant the names you picked, ie Leticia & Darrell


names by themselves are not sterotypical its what you do with the character behind the name.

take buffy the vampire slayer.

buffy on the surface gives you the impression of a dumb blond nitwit cheerleader girl coasting through life on her daddy's credit card with her vaccous head firmly in the clouds. Now is that the buffy we know and love in buffy the vampire slayer? Hell no. Its not the name that matters but the character behind it and now the name buffy has totally flipped that stereotype into something else or at least negating it.

harloo
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:45 PM
My point is this:

Not ALL Black Comedians want to be a Wayne Brady type. It seems black comedians are ridiculed for speaking about being black in America. Some black people are so offended and feel as if a comedian's words are a reflection on them as a person. I feel differently. I don't allow tv and media to form my opinions of a certain group, and if you are associated with someone who does this very thing, then it's time to move on.

I don't agree with alot of the images on BET Comic View, but if someone feels that's how ALL black people are by watching a show like this then they are ignorant. I don't associate with ignorant people, and if you are not intelligent enough to realize that everything you see on television is not a true representation of an entire race then you are in a sad state.
JMO.

I do agree with Phoenixstorm about Girlfriends and Half and Half. Great shows. However I think they are overplaying the materialistic bit with the girlfriend who married white dude. That is a stereotype right their.
My favirite girlfriend is Maya!!! :drool:

Pureracket
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:58 PM
PhoenixStorm,
PM or email me. I've been trying to get in touch with you.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 07:04 PM
PhoenixStorm,
PM or email me. I've been trying to get in touch with you.

hi ya pure whats up? I dont have any pms in my file/in box thing.

is this about williams tapes? I NEED TO TRADE!!! I am at school right now but when i get home I will post my tapes then you can tell me which ones you want copies of and then you can post yours and I will tell u which ones i want copies of and then we can exchange addresses and stuff. I live wisconsin.

It should only take me a a week to make the copies and mail them.

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:24 PM
I didn't hear Bill talking proper English in "Uptown Saturday Night" or "Let's Do it Again"

I guess that was before he became "Dr." Cosby. :rolleyes:

:lol: But ya know boo it don't matter if a brotha or sista speak proper or they don't or they speak some way in between. It's all good! But when oen side is judgin another side cuz of the way they talk that just aint right and that's why some folk up in this piece are mad at "Dr." Cosby.

Miss Rocketta LOL@Cosby Mysteries. That show was so weak. He wasnt no Columbo. :rolleyes:

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:28 PM
I gotta support Miss Thang on this one.

Bill Cosby was just plain RUDE.

I know he's a TV legend, well-educated, blah-blah-blah.

But that gives him NO RIGHT to try and belittle and intimidate a younger, up-and-coming entertainer. As a man of his intelligence, you would think he'd be aware that Wanda was just doing her "shtick".

It's called Diversity.

Dear Dr. Cosby,

Your shit stinks. Just like everybody else's.

Tootles!

:wavey:

Preach girl! :worship: Thats all I was sayin. I know Cosby did a lot for black folk but that still dont give him no right to act like that! :mad:

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:34 PM
decemberlove, i apologize in advance for bringing up our "ask black people anything" discussion again but your comment (above), as well as other comments you've made on this thread, has me confused.

you've spoken often about your love for the hbo show, "the wire". keeping that in mind, and your statement that you "hate any type of stereotypical show", i offer this run-down of characters from "the wire":

Ya know why is it a white actor or actress get mad props for playin a kiler or a hooker or drug addict but when we do it we bringin down the race? Y'all I know bout stereotypes but sometimes when I see a brotha playin a thug and he's on top of his game I'm yellin "u go boy" at the screen cuz he's actin his ass off. Look at Denzel in taining Day.


-Avon
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/avon.jpg
Life in jail is not so difficult for Avon, the powerful head of the drug crew that controls The Terrace

-Bodie
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_bodie.jpg
Although Bodie's ready for the work, the product his crew sells is poor quality, and the junkies are now heading elsewhere for fixes

-Bubbles
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/bubbles.jpg
Back on the street, Bubbles and Johnny are still running scams for fixes

-Stringer
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_stringer.jpg
D'Angelo can link Stringer to the murder of Wallace.

-Poot
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_poot.jpg
When territory expansion becomes a must, Poot's there with Bodie recruiting muscle and showing force

-Omar
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_omar.jpg
Omar returns to Baltimore with a new boyfriend and the same m.o.--stealing from stash houses

-D'angelo
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_dangelo.jpg
D'Angelo has started snorting heroin as a way of coping with his 20-year sentence for drug trafficking

-Weebey
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/characters/90x94_weebey.jpg
It seems Wee-Bey murdered one of Officer Tilghman's cousins many years ago

*********
here a couple of positive black characters (just to show they do balance it out):

-Moreland
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/castlanding/thelaw_bunk_moreland.jpg
Even though he doesn't swim, Moreland is one of McNulty's first visitors on Harbor Patrol

-Freamon
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/90x94/castlanding/thelaw_lester_freamon.jpg
On the personal front, Freamon's sparks with the stripper Shardene have fanned into a full-on relationship.
*********
decemberlove, as i told you before, i'm sure "the wire" is compelling but it just seems to me that these black characters from "the wire" are the types you are comfortable with, which i find ironic for someone who says they don't like stereotypes.

Miss Dolores aint no thang to me. I'm a start watchin this show now cuz it look good!!! And these brotha's are fine! :drool:

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:38 PM
no i dont like stereotypes but the wire is based off real characters from b.more... its not a made up sitcom with some loud mouth black girl saying the same crap over and over just to make the white watchers laugh.

Girl to me aint nothin wrong with a loud sista. :D And chile in the history of sitcom there been a lott loud mouth white chicks that either make black roll they eyes or suck they teeth. :angel: :lol:

the wire is meant to be a satire and at the same time tell the story of gov't involvement in the underground markets. david simon [the creator] said something recently about taking all the stereotypes about EVERYONE, picking them apart, and basically making fun of them. yet is still hasnt felt the need to resort to the loud black girl, thank god.

the show is nothing like the description on the website, much more complex and every character has real emotion, no one is a cold-hearted killer like often portrayed in drug shoes. its not a bad vs. good type thing. but of course you wouldnt know this cos youve never seen it, so who are you to judge??

Girl I'm gon watch the repeats cuz they showin them again. :cool: Those brothas are :drool:

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:48 PM
Why exactly do people who speak slang or what is commonly now called "ebonics" :rolleyes: think that they're keeping it real? Keeping what real? Ebonics doesn't represent all black people or black culture.

Fo shizzle. ;) :angel: Ebonics aint got nothin to do with "keepin it real" or whoever think that don't know what time it is. :cool: And aint funny that folk used ta crack on ebonics and now folk from every race is speakin like it. :rolleyes:

Culture is defined in the music, the art, the food, the customs of a people not a bunch of "dis" or "dat" or whatever new word is in. Is slang that is all. Its not some culturally defining element for black people.

Do you see white people rabidly running around defending the use of totally tubular or rad or whatever slang they came up with? Whatever.

Ya know boo I siad that before when somebody ask me bout the way I talk. Folk on this other board were hatin on me for bein ghetto but aint nobody said ish to the white dudes who was sayin totally rad and jonesin for a doobie! :rolleyes: :fiery:

Also bill cosby rocks and his show rocks or rocked as it may be. Also Girlfriends and Half and Half rocks on UPN. Personally Half and Half I feel is one of the funniest shows on television. Funnier than Friends by a whole lot of laughs.

Girlfriends is my show! :D I been sleepin on Half and half but I watched 2 times already this season and the 2 moms are da bomb! They should be the star of the show! :lol:

The Parkers stink. Being loud and obnoxious does not mean you are funny just irritating.

I know it do but I wtach cuz of Miss MoNique. :lol:

Also why doesn't the wb or upn or fox come up with a black drama? Where is the Darrell's Creek for black people? Where is the Leticia the Vampire Slayer? :lol:

Preach!! :worship: It should be Darnell Creek and LaTasha the Vampire slayer! :lol:

Showtimes has the fabulous Soulfood but outside of that nothing. Also as a gay black male I am represented nowhere on telesion in a positive way except six feet under! Everything ielse is just a rehased limp wristed stereotype that is old as dirt. Like the latest episode of girlfriends. Please can we have a gay black male represented as more than that please? Its offensive.

I luv me some Soul Food! :D

Chile I know Peaches last night was too "sweet" but he still had me LMAO! :lol:

Paneru
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:56 PM
I respect what Cosby has done and all but
I have to go with Miss Thang on this one.

I understand all of this on both sides and what not,
but why should anyone have to act a certain way(either way)
to appise to the sences of another culture? Why should anyone have to prove something one way or the other to break stereotypes because certain people don't want to take the initiative to step out of their comfort zone and get to know people for people and not generalize them by color or culture? Why should anyone have to live up to a standard of someone else's culture to be deemed equal?

I see why people like Cosby do and say what they do,
but why should anyone be burdened to carry the weight of representing and entire culture full of vast beliefs, ideas, and personalities because people of other cultures would rather think what they think based on television and what they read rather than actually getting to know these people and seeing that they shouldn't be generalized?

I never see any "white" show, actor, comedian, ect...
having to represent their race with every move
they take and every word they speak.

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:57 PM
Miss Thang, I'm glad you brought light to this topic because it really bothered me when I saw the playback on Kimmel late night. Kimmel is so funny, he showed a clip from the Emmys followed by one of the characters in FAT ALBERT speaking.(slang and all). LMAO!

:lol: Thats what I'm sayin. It aint like Cosby aint ever done any "coonin". :rolleyes: I hope y'all dont get mad at that but I think y'all know what I mean. ;)

What I find so disturbing about Cosby's dissing of Wanda was the fact that he acted so rude in a public setting.

THANK U! :worship: He dont show no respect to Miss Wanda and it look like she got soem thick skin cuz if it was me at the Emmys my feelins would be hurt. :o

Of course, this is not Mr. Cosby's first run in with black comedians. He has made a second career out of dissing black comedians he feels are too slapstick for his taste. Never has cosby went on a vent about white, latino, etc comedians who perpetuate stereotypes. As a matter of fact when Ray Romano stated that he wanted to be a "BLACK" comedian because of the influence of Cosby he was all giggles.

Exactly!! They all got a routine that they do and Miss Wanda's thing aint no different from anybody else but Cosby got single her out to judge. :mad:

Even though I love the Cosby show, and think Bill is a great comedian I have lost all respect for him. I just will not condone him treating another sista with such hatred regardless of what he feels about her act.

THANK U!!!! Aint nobody deserve that kinda treatment but it made it worse cuz Miss Wanda is a sista.

How dare he claim that "they spoke english" when some of his characters of the past have been nothing but stereotypes. We have not forgotten uptown saturday night, or fat albert.

PREACH!!!!!!!!! :worship:

The problem is that Wanda Sykes is not a slapstick comedian, she has payed her dues and he should of at least been respectful. But no! He thinks he is too good to respect people and comes off as an arrogant jerk.

Miss Wanda is doin her makin it happen on diffrent shows. Cosby should be proud that this sista is workin so hard AND BEIN TRU TO HERSELF while she doin it!!!

Sorry, I am done with Cosby.

I feel u harloo!

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:08 PM
Youre right he should not have said that in public. However why would he give a damn about white or latino or asian comics and what they do? Black people are supposed to be a community. Why would he care about someone outside the community? Let them worry about how they represent their own community.

Cosby should care cuz it aint fair for him to judge one of his own for what he think is ghetto actin when at the same place folk of other arces ar actin just as foolish. It wasnt fair to Miss Wanda.

This reminds me of something I saw on the today show a while back about black women and "shifting". These two professional black women wrote a book about how black women act different in different situations and how it is emotionally distressing. Like how at work they must speak one way and act one way and while at home they speak and act another. Well welcome to the real world that everyone else lives in sisters! Who the hell doesn't do that? Do you thinK I speak the same way to my friends as I do to my parents? Hell no. Do you think I act the same way in church as I do at the basket ball game? Hell no!

Whats so distressing about that? Why did that crap need a book? Noone acts the same or talks the same in every situation. I just wanted to slap them.

I feel u boo. Black folk act every way u can think of and in diffrent ways dependin on where they at, who they talkin to and what not. :lol:@this book! Must be folk who aint black. :lol:

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:14 PM
how is a black female vampire slayer a sterotype? There has NEVER been a black female vampire slayer!

Yes there was boo! On Buffy! :) I forget her name but she was from the islands and she ended up gettin killed. Girlfreind had cornrows. :cool:

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:25 PM
Yes there was boo! On Buffy! :) I forget her name but she was from the islands and she ended up gettin killed. Girlfreind had cornrows. :cool:


She was from Africa and her name was Kendra....:cool:

She was a slayer because Buffy died for a few seconds and Kendra got called. Luckily, they revived Buffy. :D

Drucilla, Spike's woman Killed Kendra when Angel faked Buffy out and lured her away from the Library. :mad:

I betcha didn't know I was a Buffy expert?? :cool:

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:26 PM
I gotta go y'all but I forgot to say y'all shoulda seen Miss cari's post about The OC/90210. Sista gilr said that she was tired of seein shows about "pretty white kids with problems" and it was time to have a show
like that with pretty black folk with problems. But y'all know it aint gon happen on regular TV. Thats why I luv Soul Food cuz I got see my peeps
makin luv. :D Miss Samantha from Sex and the City and her love scenes aint got nothin on the Soul Food girls. :p

My point is this:

Not ALL Black Comedians want to be a Wayne Brady type. It seems black comedians are ridiculed for speaking about being black in America. Some black people are so offended and feel as if a comedian's words are a reflection on them as a person. I feel differently. I don't allow tv and media to form my opinions of a certain group, and if you are associated with someone who does this very thing, then it's time to move on.

I don't agree with alot of the images on BET Comic View, but if someone feels that's how ALL black people are by watching a show like this then they are ignorant. I don't associate with ignorant people, and if you are not intelligent enough to realize that everything you see on television is not a true representation of an entire race then you are in a sad state.
JMO.

Preach harloo! I bee tryin to tell folk that bout this board also. I aint tryin to clown y'all but for reals just cuz I'm ghetto don't mean I'm embarassin every black person who post up in this piece. I'm just reppin for myself and bein who I am. I hope folk can understand that. :)

I do agree with Phoenixstorm about Girlfriends and Half and Half. Great shows. However I think they are overplaying the materialistic bit with the girlfriend who married white dude. That is a stereotype right their.

Chile but it's all good cuz u don't see a lotta sista's playin a part like Miss Toni. Usually only the white girls can act they way Miss Toni do on Girlfriends and they tyupical white show the sista paly the part of the white girl's boring ass friend who just listen to white girl's problems. :lol: :rolleyes:

My favirite girlfriend is Maya!!! :drool:

I luv me some Miss Maya! I'm hopin they bring back Kenny form Soul Food as the brotah who live next door to Miss Maya. There was some heat between them :drool:

Ballbuster
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:28 PM
Somebody must of told Bill that his is the Patron Saint of the Black comedian world. I guess he doesn't go anywhere near BET.

He's not funny anymore anyway. Except with kids.

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:32 PM
She was from Africa and her name was Kendra....:cool:

She was a slayer because Buffy died for a few seconds and Kendra got called. Luckily, they revived Buffy. :D

Drucilla, Spike's woman Killed Kendra when Angel faked Buffy out and lured her away from the Library. :mad:

I betcha didn't know I was a Buffy expert?? :cool:

Well go head Miss Sunnydale! :worship: Yeah Miss Kendra got killed right there in the library. :sad:

I'll holla at y'all later. :wavey:

I feel u on that Kabuke! :cool:

Paneru
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:32 PM
She was from Africa and her name was Kendra....:cool:

She was a slayer because Buffy died for a few seconds and Kendra got called. Luckily, they revived Buffy. :D

Drucilla, Spike's woman Killed Kendra when Angel faked Buffy out and lured her away from the Library. :mad:

I betcha didn't know I was a Buffy expert?? :cool:

Didn't know.
Very cool! :cool:

Wasn't it Angel who lured Buffy away so Spike and the rest
could go after the others?

I love Bianca!

Where was Kendra from in Africa?

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:39 PM
Didn't know.
Very cool! :cool:

Wasn't it Angel who lured Buffy away so Spike and the rest
could go after the others?

I love Bianca!

Where was Kendra from in Africa?

Yes Angeleous lured poor love sick Buffy away...:p

I can't remember what country Kendra was from but I'm thinking Nigeria.

I'm watching the back seasons and am on season 4. Whose Bianca?

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:43 PM
Nevermind on the "whose Bianca" question. I realize its her real name.

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 23rd, 2003, 10:22 PM
Bianca Lawson rocks her new show is on the wb this fall.

Miss Thang
Sep 23rd, 2003, 11:26 PM
Bianca Lawson rocks her new show is on the wb this fall.

What show she on? I remember readin bout her in S2S and it said that her dad played on one of the stories. I think it was One Life To Live.

And I always thought y'all that Miss Kendra was from jamaica or one of the other islands. :o

Serendy Willick
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:05 AM
For the person who wanted to make it like Blacks are the only ones that are loud on TV. I've got one word for you, ROSEANNE.

decemberlove
Sep 24th, 2003, 02:18 AM
miss thang, they are rather delicious arent they?

i love wood harris... oh god, hes so fucking pretty.

and serendy, thats not what i was saying AT ALL. but whatever.

Cariaoke
Sep 24th, 2003, 02:48 AM
uh... yeah interesting discussion...

go head, Rocke! girl KNOWS her Buffy! dang... I remember Kendra.

I think she had a small part in 'Save the Last Dance' as Sean Patrick Thomas' character's ex. Her new show 'Fearless' is a mid-season show to debut in January. I will be checkin' for ma.

Getting back to Cosby, I see both sides of the issue but even if Cosby couldn't stand Wanda, he had no right to disrespect her like that. Especially, when he did the same thing in his past. That's like Moms telling me 'don't smoke weed' when she rolled about 90 big ones in my face when I was a kid. Extreme example that ISN'T TRUE but you get what I'm saying.

And this whole bilingual dilemma that sistas supposedly suffer from is such bullshit. Just another stupid book targeted to white folk to supposedly give an inside look to 'those neck-snapping people' they think they'll get to know by reading it. Jigga please! Who wrote that trash? They need to be jumped.

Hot 92 Jamz
Sep 24th, 2003, 09:53 AM
Bianca Lawson rocks her new show is on the wb this fall.

"Fearless", the show that Bianca co-stars in with Rachel Leigh Cook and Eric Balfour, has been pushed back to January. I've been a fan of hers since Saved By The Bell (the second generation, or whatever they called it).

Here's a photo of Bianca in "Bones" (2001):

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/bones/_group_photos/bianca_lawson2.jpg

topspin
Sep 24th, 2003, 10:04 AM
On the Howard University PBS channel they used to frequently play part of a speech Bill Cosby gave concerning the dynamics and theme of the Cosby Show. In the speech he enlighten the audience how black people would tell him the Cosby Show was not believable in showing two black doctors heading a household and sending their children to college. They told him "he was not keeping it real."

Bill Cosby's answer was how dare they said the image of his show wasn't real. He said what is wrong with showing black people in a positive way, showing black people as educated, and showing black people can have dreams of being successful too.

Black shows or roles mainly dealt with black people always dealing with some kind of struggle in life or other stereotypical images.

My question is why does it seems "normal" and "keeping it real" when it comes to reasoning or to explain the nature of behavior and attitude of black people which can be interpreted as having a negative reflection of us? However, showing black people in a positive situation or having a positive attitude is not seemed as "being real?"

This perception of "keeping it real" is not just related to the Cosby Show but to the majority of black mindset in America. It's like we cry out against others who portray us in stereotypical situations, roles, or images. Yet, when the source of the stereotypical images is black people, we are more willing to accept stereotypical images of ourselves or don't show they same type of disapproval.

For example, like this comedian on television who said "cursing and profanity" is the way we (black people) talk and that's how we keep it real. There are many black people who don't curse and use profanity.

When gangsta music arrived on the scene and became one of the most popular form of music during the 1990's, the explanation for the expression of violence and excessive profanity given by the artists was "that's how we keep it real and that's reality." It was also cool to be a thug. For a long time and to this very day, black men have tried very hard to battle the image of being cold, heartless, and violent.

The long history of the images of black women in television, movies, and news were always the image of "Jungle Bunnies," prostitutes, sex slaves, or sex objects. Yet, look at the music videos and who (black people) are the ones confirming that image of black women. As to answering why showing black women in such roles are not demeaning, the black artists say "we are just having fun and everybody likes to party." "Fun" and "partying" are not the words people are associating with the black women in those videos ( see Car Key Boi's post on the hip-hop videos). In fact, a white co-worker had asked "do black women actually care as to how they are perceived by non-black people in the music videos."

Somebody might say what's the problem or the big deal. The big deal is that no other race were purposely depicted or stereotyped like black people have been for many, many years. Perceptions about different people are based on images they seen and words they hear. Since the images of black people have been about 98% negative year after year, is there no reason why people wouldn't think any different about black people?

Someone might say, we know all black people don't conform to those images or descriptions, so it is basically about others not learning or accepting to see past the stereotypes. This is true.

BUT, what do you tell black and non-black people who have and believed
negative assumptions about the ENTIRE black race... when it is black people themesleves who are proving and giving confirmation that those negative images and sterotypes about us are true.

And this post is not to be directed at Miss Wanda or to say Bill Cosby actions to her wer justified. Just wanted to provide some insight as to why Cosby may thinks or acts the way he does.

Cariaoke
Sep 24th, 2003, 11:56 AM
actually, Claire Huxtable was a lawyer and Cliff was an obstetrician.

that is neither here nor there because topspin, all of what you said is quite obvious. :)

we who are disappointed in Cosby's actions KNOW why he feels the way he does but he was still disrespectful to her. we have enough divisions between ourselves; we don't need another one.

Greenout
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:11 PM
Bill's gotten really cranky in his old age.

It's funny how older comics always diss the
younger ones. They always get like.."in my
day we used proper English and never swore,
and didn't have automobiles, and had real mail,
not e-mail..blah, blah...". :lbf

Ms. Wanda always cracks me up. Loved her
when I first saw her tell stand up comedy jokes.
Funny lady.

doloresc
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM
"ask black people anything part 2"? ;)

terrific post, topspin! i completely agree and have expressed similar sentiments for many years. i remember in the heyday of "the cosby show" hearing from some people, both black and non-black, that the show was unrealistic. i was appalled! also, i couldn't decided who was more offensive for saying that, blacks or non-blacks?

over the years, particularly in my work life (dating back to the mid 70's and the popularity of "the jeffersons" and "good times"), i've heard african-americans say (re: blacks on television and in film) characters were too stereotypical (usually over the top in the vein of steppin fetchit) then turn around and criticize a character for being too assimilated (well-spoken, immersed in white mainstream culture, seeming out of touch with the black community). i was outraged and confused because for all the protests of discrimination, here we were racially profiling ourselves in terms of how we were portrayed on televsion and in film.

what i see as an underlying problem, and it's been discussed briefly on "ask black people anything", is our refusal as a community to see ourselves in varied roles. i don't keep up with today's pop culture but from what i've read and heard, it appears that, in general, we mostly gravitate towards cartoonish situation comedies and urban crime dramas. seeing ourselves in other scenarios doesn't seem to be an option, at least i haven't heard or seen anyone being vocal about it.

one of the show programs i do watch is "six feet under". i mentioned before how interesting it would be if the show had been written exactly as is but the main family was portrayed by an all black cast. one poster told me that it was completely unrealistic to hypothesize like that and i replied that why must we be short-sighted when it comes to seeing us on small or big screen?

i recently went to see "the secret lives of dentists" and came away thinking how much, without changing a thing, i would've loved seeing black actors play the main roles. it was a quiet film, a character study and would've worked just as well african-americans in the leads. but i know the truth: the film wouldn't have been made the same way if blacks were the lead characters because the script's elements (comedy, action, crime) didn't reflect black life, as mainstream america knows it. yet the majority of the black community, in my opinion, wouldn't support it for the same reasons.

doloresc
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:32 PM
And this whole bilingual dilemma that sistas supposedly suffer from is such bullshit. Just another stupid book targeted to white folk to supposedly give an inside look to 'those neck-snapping people' they think they'll get to know by reading it. Jigga please! Who wrote that trash? They need to be jumped.

hahaha! :D

this has been the topic of many college courses on multi-culturalism dating back to the 80's and the rise of "buppiedom". cariosity, that's a funny (and accurate) take you have on the situation.;) this book has been published yet it is evident that we are not the target audience. :lol: i wonder if the authors of the book interviewed black women who speak the same way to everyone, irrespective of the situation. :tape:

Greenout
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:41 PM
doloresc and topspin,

Your post are really interesting. It's really fascinating.
I totally understand what you guys are talking about
because I'm a USA expat based in Singapore. I've met
alot of people of diverse religions and ethnic backgrounds.
The problem is that alot of American's don't travel or
are aware about what's going on beyond where they live.
There are all types of people living in all sorts of
economic backgrounds. Bill is correct in saying his tv
shows did represent Black Americans. His shows are
based on a certain type of person in a certain place in
their lives.

The problem with television , Hollywood and America is
that it's just too easy to depict the simplest rather than
the most diverse of complex people to a mass audience.

Watch television abroad and you'll see stereotypes too.
The arrogant American, the poor mainland Chinese
bumpkin, the dopey Japanese person, the stingy Indian,
the lovesick French guy.. I suppose television is such
the equalizer that it always goes to the most simple
and common notions of people, places and things.

I guess we can only hope that the creators, directors,
and producers of television and film try to raise the
bar and educate viewers too.

doloresc
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:55 PM
doloresc and topspin,

Your post are really interesting. It's really fascinating.
I totally understand what you guys are talking about
because I'm a USA expat based in Singapore. I've met
alot of people of diverse religions and ethnic backgrounds.
The problem is that alot of American's don't travel or
are aware about what's going on beyond where they live.
There are all types of people living in all sorts of
economic backgrounds. Bill is correct in saying his tv
shows did represent Black Americans. His shows are
based on a certain type of person in a certain place in
their lives.

The problem with television , Hollywood and America is
that it's just too easy to depict the simplest rather than
the most diverse of complex people to a mass audience.

Watch television abroad and you'll see stereotypes too.
The arrogant American, the poor mainland Chinese
bumpkin, the dopey Japanese person, the stingy Indian,
the lovesick French guy.. I suppose television is such
the equalizer that it always goes to the most simple
and common notions of people, places and things.

I guess we can only hope that the creators, directors,
and producers of television and film try to raise the
bar and educate viewers too.

i'm with you all the way, greenout. :)

the problem is that the majority of people being stereotyped are complacent and accept these images as a representation of themselves. i seriously doubt though that they would stop making these types of shows/films because of conditioning: if it isn't something we're accustomed to it, we won't watch it so the production companies continue churning it out. :sad:

Paneru
Sep 24th, 2003, 04:18 PM
i'm with you all the way, greenout. :)

the problem is that the majority of people being stereotyped are complacent and accept these images as a representation of themselves.

The problem is the issue of showing the diversity in a single culture.
Their are some people who fit the profile of the stereotypes, and not all of them are trying to act that way, but are actually who they are.
On the flip side, their people who are the complete opposite of the stereotypes, and not all of them are trying to act that way, but are actually who they are. The fact is the many are in the middle, in certain areas many may fit the "stereotypes" and in others they may not.

Many people only know of other cultures from what they see on tv.
With television it is always one extreme or the other which is unfair depiciton to the majority in the middle. Their should be a fair distrubution of all types and not simply pigeon-holed into one catagory.
Not all stereotypes are bad and many "stereotypes" are found in all cultures.

Caucasians unlike any other ethnic group is rarely pigeon-holed
by this society and its media.

The soulution that could simply bypass the television representation
is people pysically stepping out to learn and not assuming because they saw a show. If people aren't willing to go out and actually learn that all cultures have a arrange of people that are found in all, their will never be greatyer progress. I guess what I'm saying is, don't try to place all of this a televison and televison personalities doorstep!

Knizzle
Sep 24th, 2003, 04:23 PM
The Cosby kids were weird, I think that's one reason some people didn't like the show. I love the show, but they were weird and I have never met a family anything like them.

Something always troubled me though. The Cosby kids never got a whoopin!!

doloresc
Sep 24th, 2003, 04:29 PM
The Cosby kids were weird, I think that's one reason some people didn't like the show. I love the show, but they were weird and I have never met a family anything like them.

Something always troubled me though. The Cosby kids never got a whoopin!!

knizzle, could you please elaborate. how were they weird? i know denise was "eccentric" in dress but that's normal of any teenager. theo, rudy and vanessa seemed fine to me. i liked the fact they weren't exceptional as many sitcom kids often are.

harloo
Sep 24th, 2003, 05:43 PM
The problem is the issue of showing the diversity in a single culture.
Their are some people who fit the profile of the stereotypes, and not all of them are trying to act that way, but are actually who they are.
On the flip side, their people who are the complete opposite of the stereotypes, and not all of them are trying to act that way, but are actually who they are. The fact is the many are in the middle, in certain areas many may fit the "stereotypes" and in others they may not.

Many people only know of other cultures from what they see on tv.
With television it is always one extreme or the other which is unfair depiciton to the majority in the middle. Their should be a fair distrubution of all types and not simply pigeon-holed into one catagory.
Not all stereotypes are bad and many "stereotypes" are found in all cultures.

Caucasians unlike any other ethnic group is rarely pigeon-holed
by this society and its media.

The soulution that could simply bypass the television representation
is people pysically stepping out to learn and not assuming because they saw a show. If people aren't willing to go out and actually learn that all cultures have a arrange of people that are found in all, their will never be greatyer progress. I guess what I'm saying is, don't try to place all of this a televison and televison personalities doorstep!

I agree 100%. It's a shame how alot of people depend on television to teach them about someone's culture. Many times the representation of certain groups on certain shows are too stereotypical, and basing an opinion about a culture on that imagery is damaging.

Also, I loved the Cosby show. I never thought it wasn't realistic enough either. However, I remember Cosby's Uptown Saturday Night, and Fat Albert. Now if one is so disgusted about the image that black comedians are setting forth today, then why make those movies of the past that perpetuate stereotypes?

BTW. Wanda Sykes is so funny. Her voice alone makes me laugh. :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 24th, 2003, 06:52 PM
knizzle, could you please elaborate. how were they weird? i know denise was "eccentric" in dress but that's normal of any teenager. theo, rudy and vanessa seemed fine to me. i liked the fact they weren't exceptional as many sitcom kids often are.

Lets see, the oldest child went to Yale or Princeton or some Ivy league school and then she decides to open a wilderness store..:rolleyes:

Denise quits college somehow manages to go to Africa, I believe meet an american man and they all move back home...:rolleyes:

Vanessa, goes to college and gets into a serious relationship with the janitor...:rolleyes:

Theo, was normal with a normal friend.

Rudy, was young but normal.

I think that might be why people think they were weird cause they did weird stuff.

Miss Thang
Sep 24th, 2003, 07:36 PM
miss thang, they are rather delicious arent they?

i love wood harris... oh god, hes so fucking pretty.

and serendy, thats not what i was saying AT ALL. but whatever.

U know it girl! I luv me some Weebey and Stringer. :drool: I can't wait to wait to watch it! :D

Miss Thang
Sep 24th, 2003, 07:39 PM
Lets see, the oldest child went to Yale or Princeton or some Ivy league school and then she decides to open a wilderness store..:rolleyes:

Denise quits college somehow manages to go to Africa, I believe meet an american man and they all move back home...:rolleyes:

Vanessa, goes to college and gets into a serious relationship with the janitor...:rolleyes:

Theo, was normal with a normal friend.

Rudy, was young but normal.

I think that might be why people think they were weird cause they did weird stuff.

:lol: Ya know I know some a y'all luv the show and its all good but I seen almost all of it and it wasnt that funny to me. I basicly watched it cuz I knew what it stood for. I neva liked Felisha Rashad and the kids. I don't think I laughed one time. It just was nice to look at cuz they house was da bomb. I know that aint deep but I didn't wanna front like the show was all that to me.

Miss Thang
Sep 24th, 2003, 07:40 PM
"Fearless", the show that Bianca co-stars in with Rachel Leigh Cook and Eric Balfour, has been pushed back to January. I've been a fan of hers since Saved By The Bell (the second generation, or whatever they called it).

Here's a photo of Bianca in "Bones" (2001):

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/bones/_group_photos/bianca_lawson2.jpg

That's Miss Kendra??? :scratch: That aint really like how I remember her. :confused:

mentos
Sep 24th, 2003, 08:14 PM
That's Miss Kendra??? :scratch: That aint really like how I remember her. :confused:
I member Kendra...she was the 1 Outfit Slayer (funny, because in her first showdown with the Vamps, there was a fight scene with her and Spike where he was kicking her ass, but after he made the mistake of ripping her ‘one’ top, she got enraged and put the smack down on his blood sucking ass).
She looks different to me as well…maybe it’s the type of character she’s portraying…

Cariaoke
Sep 24th, 2003, 08:24 PM
this is how Kendra looked.

http://www.unf.edu/~argk0001/buffy-kendra.jpg

she is apparently a tough girl without makeup or Serena-sized earrings in the bones pic. :tape:

mentos
Sep 24th, 2003, 08:56 PM
this is how Kendra looked.

http://www.unf.edu/~argk0001/buffy-kendra.jpg

she is apparently a tough girl without makeup or Serena-sized earrings in the bones pic. :tape:
:lol:
:wavey:
Looks like she got thugged out for Bones, cari...I forgot about the hula hoops in 'Kendra's' ears...I rocked a pair like those on my most recent vacation...they're not as heavy as they look...but they do have some weight though, cause the first time I tried mine on I felt a bit of pressure...makes me wonder if Serena feels the same way about hers, epecially while on court doing battle, as she did those tight shoes she wore to the ESPY's...(nah, Rena, it aint [I]too ghetto)

Rocketta
Sep 24th, 2003, 09:27 PM
I member Kendra...she was the 1 Outfit Slayer (funny, because in her first showdown with the Vamps, there was a fight scene with her and Spike where he was kicking her ass, but after he made the mistake of ripping her ‘one’ top, she got enraged and put the smack down on his blood sucking ass).
She looks different to me as well…maybe it’s the type of character she’s portraying…

Haha, I remember that. That was funny. Spike is funny as hell and cute. I'm only up to season 4 so I haven't seen when he falls for Buffy.

Lita's Ex
Sep 25th, 2003, 04:28 AM
Haha, I remember that. That was funny. Spike is funny as hell and cute. I'm only up to season 4 so I haven't seen when he falls for Buffy.

Did you buy a box set or are you renting season by season? Are you watching it on dvd? If you are, how are the Special Features? Buffy was one of the best and most underrated shows ever. I miss it a lot! How do you guys feel about Faith's new show? It's going up against Friends so you know it's not going to be there long.

Kendra's really cute but she's got nothing on my babe Monica Calhoun. I think she's so hot and I even wrote her a lame ass letter 4 years ago. :o
She never answered but I got a bunch of pics of her on my hard drive. :D

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1842/MonicaCalh_Miche_838692_400.jpg

Lita's Ex
Sep 25th, 2003, 05:06 AM
I forgot to ask. Do you guys know if Monica's movie Civil Brand ever came out? I've been looking for it to rent but my video stores and even other ones I checked don't have it. This is a pic from the movie.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0326806/civil_brand_01_300dpi.jpg

doloresc
Sep 25th, 2003, 12:09 PM
Lets see, the oldest child went to Yale or Princeton or some Ivy league school and then she decides to open a wilderness store..:rolleyes:

Denise quits college somehow manages to go to Africa, I believe meet an american man and they all move back home...:rolleyes:

Vanessa, goes to college and gets into a serious relationship with the janitor...:rolleyes:

Theo, was normal with a normal friend.

Rudy, was young but normal.

I think that might be why people think they were weird cause they did weird stuff.

rocketta, i realize that to an extent that you're being tongue-in-cheek but with all due respect i have to ask: do you think these people thought the huxtable children were simply "weird" kids or were they "weird" as far as black kids on tv go? i'm just curious.

spokenword73
Sep 25th, 2003, 03:46 PM
I didn't see the diss, but I just hate when black people go after each other instead of trying to uplift and support one another. :( I am not really familiar with WS, but Cosby did break ground for black people with his show back in the sixties, "I Spy". Wonder if WS wlll be around forty years from? I did lose respect for Cos when he had to admit he may have had a child out of wedlock. So he can get off of his high horse.

doloresc
Sep 25th, 2003, 03:56 PM
I didn't see the diss, but I just hate when black people go after each other instead of trying to uplift and support one another. :( I am not really familiar with WS, but Cosby did break ground for black people with his show back in the sixties, "I Spy". Wonder if WS wlll be around forty years from? I did lose respect for Cos when he had to admit he may have had a child out of wedlock. So he can get off of his high horse.

point taken, robrich, but i don't think the autumn jackson revelation really hurt mr.cosby's reputation. perhaps it would've toppled other people's careers but it didn't have a negative effect on mr. cosby's.

spokenword73
Sep 25th, 2003, 04:14 PM
you are right, it didn't hurt Cos' career, cause I had even forgotten the girls name :lol: he may have gained sympathy though when his son was murdered around the same time :sad:

doloresc
Sep 25th, 2003, 04:17 PM
you are right, it didn't hurt Cos' career, cause I had even forgotten the girls name :lol: he may have gained sympathy though when his son was murdered around the same time :sad:

good point! what happened to ennis was so tragic. :sad:

spokenword73
Sep 25th, 2003, 04:33 PM
[QUOTE=Serena Nowitski]I forgot to ask. Do you guys know if Monica's movie Civil Brand ever came out? I've been looking for it to rent but my video stores and even other ones I checked don't have it. This is a pic from the movie.


Yes, "Civil Brand" is out in LA in the theaters and some of the bootleggers are selling the DVDs. Which one is Monica??

Rocketta
Sep 25th, 2003, 04:44 PM
Did you buy a box set or are you renting season by season? Are you watching it on dvd? If you are, how are the Special Features? Buffy was one of the best and most underrated shows ever. I miss it a lot! How do you guys feel about Faith's new show? It's going up against Friends so you know it's not going to be there long.

Kendra's really cute but she's got nothing on my babe Monica Calhoun. I think she's so hot and I even wrote her a lame ass letter 4 years ago. :o
She never answered but I got a bunch of pics of her on my hard drive. :D



I'm renting season by season on Netflix, which is disc by disc. They are the DVD's. I have to be honest I never watched an extra. The extra's always seemed to be interviews with the creator Josh Wheadon on different topics. He also would provide commentary on certain episodes. There were no deleted scenes, out takes or anything else like that.

I really didn't like Faith. I don't think I like that actress. I didn't really like her in bring it on either. She's alright and she's pretty but I don't know..... Oh and if she's up against friends, she's screwed.

Now whose Monica Calhoun? Did she play the girl that Omar Epps character in Love and Basketball cheat on Sanaa's character with?

Rocketta
Sep 25th, 2003, 04:48 PM
rocketta, i realize that to an extent that you're being tongue-in-cheek but with all due respect i have to ask: do you think these people thought the huxtable children were simply "weird" kids or were they "weird" as far as black kids on tv go? i'm just curious.

hmm, no I think people thought they were weird for "black" kids period, tv or real life.

mentos
Sep 25th, 2003, 05:11 PM
Haha, I remember that. That was funny. Spike is funny as hell and cute.
Yeah, he is cute…he’s in his early fourties, can you believe that?
He's now a cast member on Angel…I started watching last season…it’s good.
I'm only up to season 4 so I haven't seen when he falls for Buffy.
I watched off and on for a while and really got into regular viewing during the last two seasons…now, I try to catch as many as I can of the earlier episodes (when they air here on the weekends)…my favorite character is from the season when the vampire ‘Legion of Doom’, Angels clan, made their debut…it’s Drucilia…she’s demented beyond demented…
A co-worker bought an action figure of her for me, complete with an altar with skeleton faces, pitcher of blood, knife, dead rose…and her little dolly, Miss Edith… :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 25th, 2003, 06:10 PM
Yeah, he is cute…he’s in his early fourties, can you believe that?
He's now a cast member on Angel…I started watching last season…it’s good.

I watched off and on for a while and really got into regular viewing during the last two seasons…now, I try to catch as many as I can of the earlier episodes (when they air here on the weekends)…my favorite character is from the season when the vampire ‘Legion of Doom’, Angels clan, made their debut…it’s Drucilia…she’s demented beyond demented…
A co-worker bought an action figure of her for me, complete with an altar with skeleton faces, pitcher of blood, knife, dead rose…and her little dolly, Miss Edith… :lol:

Lordy a drucilla action figure? :eek: It was hilarious when Spike came back after Drucilla left him. When he kidnapped Zander and Willow and wouldn't tell Buffy and Angel where they were. After fighting off the mayor's vamps. Spike is all renewed and when Buffy says lets go and he says "oh forget it" :lol:

I couldn't stand Drucilla's whining though. :sad:

I'm going to watch the back episodes of Angel too.

doloresc
Sep 25th, 2003, 06:44 PM
i know i'm dating myself here but since you're mentioning actresses from your generation, i was wondering if you had any impressions on one of my favorites from my era (i'm a 60's child). i'm sorry i'm not familiar with the people you're discussing but i'm curious if the name diahann carroll rings a bell. ms. carroll was a triple threat in her heyday: she would simultaneously do films (tv and theatre (she was one of the first african-american tony winners and was nominated for the both an oscar and an emmy). ms. carroll was featured with sidney poitier in the 1961 film "paris blues". the movie has flaws but the two of them in paris and the great jazz is music is enough compensation. (there was a rumor as well that ms. carroll and mr.poitier were having an affair during the filming)

this is a photograph of ms. carroll in her oscar-nominated performance from "claudine" (1974):

http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T577/Students/claudine.jpg

if it ever comes on tv land again, please watch "julia", the late 60's sitcom that starred ms. carroll. it was ground-breaking because it was the first tv series to star an african-american woman. and get this: she doesn't play a domestic.

Knizzle
Sep 25th, 2003, 07:25 PM
if it ever comes on tv land again, please watch "julia", the late 60's sitcom that starred ms. carroll. it was ground-breaking because it was the first tv series to star an african-american woman. and get this: she doesn't play a domestic.

I used to watch Julia reruns when I was little.

decemberlove
Sep 25th, 2003, 07:32 PM
diahann is absolutely gorgeous :worship:

http://www.diahann-carroll.com/gallery/dc77.jpg

Knizzle
Sep 25th, 2003, 07:37 PM
I'm renting season by season on Netflix, which is disc by disc. They are the DVD's. I have to be honest I never watched an extra. The extra's always seemed to be interviews with the creator Josh Wheadon on different topics. He also would provide commentary on certain episodes. There were no deleted scenes, out takes or anything else like that.

I really didn't like Faith. I don't think I like that actress. I didn't really like her in bring it on either. She's alright and she's pretty but I don't know..... Oh and if she's up against friends, she's screwed.

Now whose Monica Calhoun? Did she play the girl that Omar Epps character in Love and Basketball cheat on Sanaa's character with?

Monica Calhoun is best known as playing Ebony in "The Players Club", at least that's where I best now her from. She was also in "Love and Basketball" and "The Best Man"

mentos
Sep 25th, 2003, 07:42 PM
know i'm dating myself here but since you're mentioning actresses from your generation, i was wondering if you had any impressions on one of my favorites from my era (i'm a 60's child). i'm sorry i'm not familiar with the people you're discussing but i'm curious if the name diahann carroll rings a bell. ms. carroll was a triple threat in her heyday: she would simultaneously do films (tv and theatre (she was one of the first african-american tony winners and was nominated for the both an oscar and an emmy).
I know who Diahann Carroll is, doloresc…but I know her from her role as Dominique (half-sister of Blake Carrington on Dynasty (I don’t know if you were a fan of this show))…later on I learned about her ground-breaking role as “Julia”…did she play a nurse?

There was a documentary on the history of blacks in television that aired on TVLAND earlier this year, Diahann’s Julia character was lauded.
The show, which was rather popular in the ratings, marked a defining moment in the country’s television history, because her character symbolically restored “dignity” to black Americans, who for decades were portrayed in media according to society's raging stereotypes of the day: shiftless and uneducated. :rolleyes:

Despite the success of the show, Diahann Carroll fought bouts of depression (had to be hospitalized) and backlash.
There were those, Caucasian and black alike, who argued that “Julia” did not accurately depict the state of black American life. Ironic, huh?
See, the debate about “realness”, for example the Cosby family on “The Cosby Show” (like some posters have been discussing) began long before that show even made its debut.

i found this photograph of ms. carroll with sidney poitier from the 1961 film "paris blues". the movie has flaws but the two of them in paris and the great jazz is music is enough compensation. (there was a rumor as well that ms. carroll and mr.poitier were having an affair during the filming)
It’s no rumor, doloresc…I heard Diahann Carroll, on the weekend edition of Entertainment Tonite, admit to the relationship, which she described as long-running (she may still be in love with Mr. Poitier… well I’m jumping to conclusions from the way she spoke so passionately about him).
And…I’ll look for “Paris Blues”at my local video store.

Miss Thang
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:00 PM
Did you buy a box set or are you renting season by season? Are you watching it on dvd? If you are, how are the Special Features? Buffy was one of the best and most underrated shows ever. I miss it a lot! How do you guys feel about Faith's new show? It's going up against Friends so you know it's not going to be there long.

Kendra's really cute but she's got nothing on my babe Monica Calhoun. I think she's so hot and I even wrote her a lame ass letter 4 years ago. :o
She never answered but I got a bunch of pics of her on my hard drive. :D

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1842/MonicaCalh_Miche_838692_400.jpg

Sorry boo but I gotsta keep it real. Her head look too big for her body. :o

I think I seen her before and for some reason she remind me of Pam from Martin but I know that aint right. :o

Miss Thang
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:04 PM
I forgot to ask. Do you guys know if Monica's movie Civil Brand ever came out? I've been looking for it to rent but my video stores and even other ones I checked don't have it. This is a pic from the movie.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0326806/civil_brand_01_300dpi.jpg

Hol up! Aint that Lisa Ray in the middle? :eek: :rolleyes: The chick next to her with curly hair look like the chick who played on LL's show. I forget then name of it but she was Carlton from Fresh Prince's girl.

Miss Thang
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:11 PM
I know who Diahann Carroll is, doloresc…but I know her from her role as Dominique (half-sister of Blake Carrington on Dynasty (I don’t know if you were a fan of this show))…later on I learned about her ground-breaking role as “Julia”…did she play a nurse?

Miss Mentos u musta been born in the 70's like Miss Rocketta and me if u remember Dynasty. That was my sista's show. She also like Falcon Crest. Now for me I was all about Knots Landing. Yeah chile Thursday night when I shoulda been doin homework I just couldnt get enough of Miss Page, Miss Valene, Miss Abby and the rest a those folk. Ya know even Halle Berry was on there for awhile. That was my show. :D

Rocketta
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:14 PM
The one with the curly hair is Lark Vorhees.

She played Lisa Turtle on the original Save by the Bell. She was on the show from the beginning. Even when it was called, "Good Morning, Miss Bliss"

she, Paul diamond (Screech) and Mark-Paul Gosselaar (Zach) were the only ones to survive the change over to "Save by the Bell".

heh, I betchya didn't know I was a "Save by the Bell" expert...;)

:lol:

Rocketta
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:15 PM
Oh and Mr. Belding made the move too. :)

Miss Thang
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:21 PM
The one with the curly hair is Lark Vorhees.

She played Lisa Turtle on the original Save by the Bell. She was on the show from the beginning. Even when it was called, "Good Morning, Miss Bliss"

she, Paul diamond (Screech) and Mark-Paul Gosselaar (Zach) were the only ones to survive the change over to "Save by the Bell".

heh, I betchya didn't know I was a "Save by the Bell" expert...;)

:lol:

:lol:

Dayum girl what's next? Head of the Class? Punky Brewster? :p ;)

That's Lisa? :eek: Hmmm well then Lisa also played on LL's show In The House. She was Carlton from Fresh Prince's girl. They both got on my nerves. :o

raquel
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:38 PM
:wavey: everyone. I don't come into non-tennis enough! :o

Good to see Lark Voorhies again. I remember Saved By The Bell, I really liked Zack :o

I was just reading this thread and I saw the Emmys here in the UK and Bill Cosby always came across as really self-righteous when he accpeted that award and he acts as if he is looking down his nose at everyone whenever I see him. I did not like The Cosby Show either. Over here we don't see Wanda Sykes on TV but she sounds fun :)

Rocketta
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:50 PM
:lol:

Dayum girl what's next? Head of the Class? Punky Brewster? :p ;)

That's Lisa? :eek: Hmmm well then Lisa also played on LL's show In The House. She was Carlton from Fresh Prince's girl. They both got on my nerves. :o

Head of the class! :yeah:

Punky Brewster! :tape:

Miss Thang
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:51 PM
:wavey: everyone. I don't come into non-tennis enough! :o

Good to see Lark Voorhies again. I remember Saved By The Bell, I really liked Zack :o

I was just reading this thread and I saw the Emmys here in the UK and Bill Cosby always came across as really self-righteous when he accpeted that award and he acts as if he is looking down his nose at everyone whenever I see him. I did not like The Cosby Show either. Over here we don't see Wanda Sykes on TV but she sounds fun :)

Hey Miss Raquel! :wavey: Yeah we all feel u on Bill Cosby and girl u gotta see Miss Wanda whenever u get a chance cuz homegirl is mad funny. :cool:

Miss Thang
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:55 PM
Head of the class! :yeah:

Girllllllll u know who I used ta have a crush on? The indian dude. :cool: Jawala? His name was somethin like that. :lol: If folk from here were on Head of the Class y'all know I would have to be Rain Pryor. :lol: :o

Punky Brewster! :tape:

Tha lil biatch! :rolleyes: She got on my last nerve. :o

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:00 AM
wow what happened to lark vorhees? she looks awful.

Greenout
Sep 26th, 2003, 11:34 AM
Don't know if this is the proper place for this; but
we're on the topic of actresses...I want to mention
a couple of my favorite and so underated ladies.

Do you guys watch "24". Well...I think Penny Jerald
as Sherry Palmer (kind of the Black Hilary Clinton)
is fantastic. She's great..I love how her character is
so sly and more ambitious than her husband is/was.

I'm also glad to know CCH.Pounder, who's in practically
every good show on television (ER, Law and Order...etc)
back in a show. She's on the "SHIELD". Now this
lady is fantastic. CCH steals practically every scene in
whatever show it is and gives it incredible depth. So,
when is that EMMY award ever going to come her way?

FYI. I don't really like Halle. I prefer Angela Bassett.

Knizzle
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:26 PM
wow what happened to lark vorhees? she looks awful.

Well, she is playing someone in prison. I think they made her out to look homely. :lol:

Knizzle
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:28 PM
FYI. I don't really like Halle. I prefer Angela Bassett.

Angela Bassett is a sexy, sophisticated, mature woman isn't she. She is truly beautiful. As a matter of fact she has gotten more beautiful with age IMHO.

doloresc
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:28 PM
diahann is absolutely gorgeous :worship:

http://www.diahann-carroll.com/gallery/dc77.jpg

and classy and talented as well. thanks for the photograph, decemberlove. :)

Knizzle
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:32 PM
and classy and talented as well. thanks for the photograph, decemberlove. :)

I think everyone had a crush on Julia. :o

doloresc
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:48 PM
knizzle, that's great your remember "julia". :) unfortunately the show was short-lived. :(

I know who Diahann Carroll is, doloresc…but I know her from her role as Dominique (half-sister of Blake Carrington on Dynasty (I don’t know if you were a fan of this show))…later on I learned about her ground-breaking role as “Julia”…did she play a nurse?

yes, mentos, she played a nurse. she was a divorcee as well. it really was ground-breaking despite a few flaws (ms. carroll was not given black friends or extended family). on a positive note, "julia" dated a black professional and they were even given romantic scenes of a wholesome nature which you never saw on tv back then.

There was a documentary on the history of blacks in television that aired on TVLAND earlier this year, Diahann’s Julia character was lauded. The show, which was rather popular in the ratings, marked a defining moment in the country’s television history, because her character symbolically restored “dignity” to black Americans, who for decades were portrayed in media according to society's raging stereotypes of the day: shiftless and uneducated. :rolleyes:

that's all true, mentos, and the icing on the cake: "julia" was allowed to be attractive and poised. back then, when you did see black women on tv, they were always submissive and frumpy. ms. carroll and cicely tyson (she was on "east side/west side" with george c. scott) were the only dignified roles for black women during the 60's.

Despite the success of the show, Diahann Carroll fought bouts of depression (had to be hospitalized) and backlash.
There were those, Caucasian and black alike, who argued that “Julia” did not accurately depict the state of black American life. Ironic, huh?
See, the debate about “realness”, for example the Cosby family on “The Cosby Show” (like some posters have been discussing) began long before that show even made its debut.

oh i remember the debates vividly! i appreciated the breakthrough role of "julia" but i didn't like the lack of a black community in her life (friends, family, church, university ties). despite those omissions, the series blazed many a trail, coming at the end of the civil rights movement.

It’s no rumor, doloresc…I heard Diahann Carroll, on the weekend edition of Entertainment Tonite, admit to the relationship, which she described as long-running (she may still be in love with Mr. Poitier… well I’m jumping to conclusions from the way she spoke so passionately about him).
And…I’ll look for “Paris Blues”at my local video store.

really? i believe they were both married to other people at the time. :o mentos, don't get your hopes up for "paris blues". it's a mood piece at best with great jazz music.

doloresc
Sep 26th, 2003, 12:57 PM
I'm also glad to know CCH.Pounder, who's in practically every good show on television (ER, Law and Order...etc)
back in a show. She's on the "SHIELD". Now this
lady is fantastic. CCH steals practically every scene in
whatever show it is and gives it incredible depth. So,
when is that EMMY award ever going to come her way?

greenout, i haven't followed ms. pounder's career but she starred in a terrific film from the late 80's called "baghdad cafe". are you familiar with it?

Miss Thang
Sep 26th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Don't know if this is the proper place for this; but
we're on the topic of actresses...I want to mention
a couple of my favorite and so underated ladies.

Do you guys watch "24". Well...I think Penny Jerald
as Sherry Palmer (kind of the Black Hilary Clinton)
is fantastic. She's great..I love how her character is
so sly and more ambitious than her husband is/was.

Chile I stopped watchin the show but when I was Mrs Palmer was the best thing in it!! Girlfriend was always schemin and she shoulda been president cuz her husband couldnt hold it down. :D

I'm also glad to know CCH.Pounder, who's in practically
every good show on television (ER, Law and Order...etc)
back in a show. She's on the "SHIELD". Now this
lady is fantastic. CCH steals practically every scene in
whatever show it is and gives it incredible depth. So,
when is that EMMY award ever going to come her way?

I just rented the whole season of The Shield. I know who u talkin bout. It the older sista with dreads. She's the bomb! :D

FYI. I don't really like Halle. I prefer Angela Bassett.

They both cool to me. They aint my favorites though. :)

Miss Thang
Sep 28th, 2003, 06:27 AM
What y'all think of Holly Robinson? I was watchin her new show on WB and I like Miss Holly but she always the same. :o Her new show is kinda like the last one where she and her man live next door to the white couple. This time her white girlrfreind and her daughter move in with Miss Holly and her family. :rolleyes: Miss Holly was kinda the same in Hangin With Mr. Hooper. I give her mad props for bein in the game a long time but she need to do somethin new. She'd be cool in a drama like back in the day on Jumpstreet. :cool:

decemberlove
Sep 28th, 2003, 06:43 AM
shes got my name :)

i used to love hangin and 21 jumpstreet

Miss Thang
Sep 28th, 2003, 06:48 AM
shes got my name :)

i used to love hangin and 21 jumpstreet

Huh? :eek: Miss Dlove no dis but u old enough to remember Jumpstreet? :eek: U don't look it. :o

decemberlove
Sep 28th, 2003, 06:54 AM
almost 21
i was about 7-8 when i first started watching it

i have a very good memory despite the drugs :)

Miss Thang
Sep 28th, 2003, 07:00 AM
almost 21
i was about 7-8 when i first started watching it

i have a very good memory despite the drugs :)

Yeah I hear ya girl. I got a good memory like that also. When I was 7-8 I remember watchin Mork and Mindy. :o Now go head Miss Rocketta give us the skinny on that show. :angel:

Miss Thang
Sep 30th, 2003, 09:19 PM
:dance:

Y'all like the sista who play on CSI Miami? I think she's da bomb and they need to show her more. Did y'all see Pete Sampras wife on CSI Miami last night?
She was a'ight. :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 30th, 2003, 09:22 PM
Yeah I hear ya girl. I got a good memory like that also. When I was 7-8 I remember watchin Mork and Mindy. :o Now go head Miss Rocketta give us the skinny on that show. :angel:

eh, no never got into Mork & Mindy. I love Mindy's husband though!!!

The lovely Mark Harmon!!! :drool:

Miss Thang
Sep 30th, 2003, 11:22 PM
eh, no never got into Mork & Mindy. I love Mindy's husband though!!!

The lovely Mark Harmon!!! :drool:

Who??? :scratch: :o Girl all I remember was Mork, Minday and "nanno nanno". :lol:

Now how bout Silver Spoons? :p Alfonzo was my boo back in the day and I used ta watch just for him. :D What happened? :lol:

darren cahill
Sep 30th, 2003, 11:53 PM
someone mentioned jumpstreet....isnt that where Richard Greico started...wasnt he Booker? and then had a spin off..i had SUCH a crush on him back then! whew chile...loved some booker....i look back on that and wanna puke (well sorta) cause hes such a disaster now....him and Yasmine bleethe just tore it up! good lord

Cariaoke
Oct 1st, 2003, 12:00 AM
ooh y'all are going back!

they need to put 21 jumpstreet on DVD! that was my show! I was like 8! teehee. damn Johnny Depp... good gawd. I used to drool over him. *sigh*

:worship: @ Rocke! she knows her trivia! She scares me though... :bolt: :tape:

doloresc
Oct 1st, 2003, 12:22 PM
The lovely Mark Harmon!!! :drool:

he's so handsome! :D i was envious of pam dawber. :o mark harmon was one of the main reasons i enjoyed "st. elsewhere". the aids storyline was incredible. it was unpredictable and added a realistic twist, though an unexplored one at that time (mid 80's).

rocketta, i hope you don't mind me telling you this (if you don't know already) but did you know that mark harmon lost all his teeth while playing football in college? (he played for one of the major west coast universities in the 70's) also, i'm dating myself here :o but mark is the late singer rick (ricky) nelson's brother-in-law; nelson was married to mark's sister kris.

Miss Thang
Oct 1st, 2003, 08:07 PM
he's so handsome! :D i was envious of pam dawber. :o mark harmon was one of the main reasons i enjoyed "st. elsewhere". the aids storyline was incredible. it was unpredictable and added a realistic twist, though an unexplored one at that time (mid 80's).

rocketta, i hope you don't mind me telling you this (if you don't know already) but did you know that mark harmon lost all his teeth while playing football in college? (he played for one of the major west coast universities in the 70's) also, i'm dating myself here :o but mark is the late singer rick (ricky) nelson's brother-in-law; nelson was married to mark's sister kris.

Girlllllll I still don't know who u and Miss Rocketta are talkin bout. :o

Rocketta
Oct 1st, 2003, 11:57 PM
rocketta, i hope you don't mind me telling you this (if you don't know already) but did you know that mark harmon lost all his teeth while playing football in college? (he played for one of the major west coast universities in the 70's) also, i'm dating myself here :o but mark is the late singer rick (ricky) nelson's brother-in-law; nelson was married to mark's sister kris.

Of course I know that Mark H. was quaterback for the UCLA Bruins and won the heisman trophey I do believe. :D :wavey:

I didn't know he lost all his teeth? Damn he's got some good falsies!

Oh and I knew he was Ricky Nelson's brother in law. He tried to get custody of Ricky and his sisters youngest kid. I don't think they won custody though.

For Miss Thang

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/65/11/71m.jpg

This is probably his most famous movie. They show it all the time.

Hot 92 Jamz
Oct 2nd, 2003, 10:00 AM
This is for the Bianca fans. The show will definitely debut in January. The WB network pulled "Fearless" from the fall line-up in favor of teen drama "One Tree Hill".

http://www.foreverfearless.com/show/media/wbf.jpg

If you're interested in information on the show, go here (http://www.foreverfearless.com).

doloresc
Oct 2nd, 2003, 03:09 PM
Of course I know that Mark H. was quaterback for the UCLA Bruins and won the heisman trophey I do believe. :D :wavey:

I didn't know he lost all his teeth? Damn he's got some good falsies!

yes he does, rocketta. :) it was during a ucla game where he was hit, took a bad tumble and gashed out all his teeth. :eek:

Oh and I knew he was Ricky Nelson's brother in law. He tried to get custody of Ricky and his sisters youngest kid. I don't think they won custody though.

now that i didn't know. :o i do know he has another sister named kelly who did a lot of commercials.

For Miss Thang

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/65/11/71m.jpg

This is probably his most famous movie. They show it all the time.

here's another photograph of mark. he's 52 now and still looks quite dashing. :)

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/35/15/53m.jpg

Ballbuster
Oct 2nd, 2003, 03:34 PM
Sorry boo but I gotsta keep it real. Her head look too big for her body. :o

I think I seen her before and for some reason she remind me of Pam from Martin but I know that aint right. :o


If you were a true Ms. Thang then you would know that she Played a stripper in "the Players Club" and she played the bride in "The Best Man"

Ms. Thang you not up on nothin.

Rocketta
Oct 2nd, 2003, 07:42 PM
now that i didn't know. :o i do know he has another sister named kelly who did a lot of commercials.

Yes, I believe that is the sister that was married to Ricky Nelson. I'll have to check on imdb in his bio.



here's another photograph of mark. he's 52 now and still looks quite dashing. :)

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/35/15/53m.jpg

He is still dashing! :hearts:

He's in one of my favorite movies. After the Promise. It was a tv movie but it was very good. He got a golden globe nomination out of it.

mentos
Oct 2nd, 2003, 08:34 PM
Miss Mentos u musta been born in the 70's like Miss Rocketta and me if u remember Dynasty. That was my sista's show. She also like Falcon Crest. Now for me I was all about Knots Landing. Yeah chile Thursday night when I shoulda been doin homework I just couldnt get enough of Miss Page, Miss Valene, Miss Abby and the rest a those folk. Ya know even Halle Berry was on there for awhile. That was my show. :D
That's right, Miss Thang :p
Dallas (That damned black gold-hogging thug JR Ewing :mad: ), Dynasty (Krystal and Alexis fought every week :lol: ) , Falcon Crest (Ronald Reagan's first wife Jane Wyman was the matriarch & who couldn't get enough of Lorenzo Lamas as Lance? :kiss: ): You Just Couldn't Go Wrong!
I started watching Knots Landing near the end of its run, but I enjoyed what I got to view. I didn't know Halle Berry had a role on it, the only black actress I remember seeing was Lynn Moody--remember her?

Miss Thang
Oct 2nd, 2003, 10:23 PM
If you were a true Ms. Thang then you would know that she Played a stripper in "the Players Club" and she played the bride in "The Best Man"

Ms. Thang you not up on nothin.

Chile I just dont know the name of the folk. :o Like I said that chick look like I seen her before I couldnt remember what she played in. :o My sista always bust on me cuz I call folk by the name they got on the show. :o I luv me some TV but I just don't pay attention to the folk name. :cool:

Miss Thang
Oct 2nd, 2003, 10:30 PM
That's right, Miss Thang :p
Dallas (That damned black gold-hogging thug JR Ewing :mad: ), Dynasty (Krystal and Alexis fought every week :lol: ) , Falcon Crest (Ronald Reagan's first wife Jane Wyman was the matriarch & who couldn't get enough of Lorenzo Lamas as Lance? :kiss: ): You Just Couldn't Go Wrong!

Lorenze was fine! :drool: He still look good nowaday but aint as hot as he was when he played on Falcon Crest.

I started watching Knots Landing near the end of its run, but I enjoyed what I got to view. I didn't know Halle Berry had a role on it, the only black actress I remember seeing was Lynn Moody--remember her?

Lynn Moody? :scratch: I didnt know her name but she gotta be the one who played the brotha with glasses wife. Miss halle didn't do ish but was on there cuz she was a hot sista if u know what I mean like back in the day when that all Miss Halle did. :lol: I liked Knots cuz they kept it real and it wasn't bout seditty rich folk. :lol:

doloresc
Oct 3rd, 2003, 12:50 PM
Yes, I believe that is the sister that was married to Ricky Nelson. I'll have to check on imdb in his bio.

actually it was kris that was married to ricky. kelly, as you'll see below, is the famous tic-tac girl.

Mini biography
Son of Tom Harmon and Elyse Knox. Sister Kelly is the Tic-Tac model. Oldest sister is Kris Tinker, painter and ex-wife of Rick Nelson. That makes him the uncle of actress Tracy Nelson, and musicians Matthew and Gunnar Nelson of the band Nelson. In 1987 Harmon and his wife, Pam Dawber, sued his sister Kris for custody of her youngest son Sam.

He is still dashing! :hearts:

He's in one of my favorite movies. After the Promise. It was a tv movie but it was very good. He got a golden globe nomination out of it.

rocketta, i read a review of "after the promise" and it sounds wonderful. i'm sorry i missed it. :)

Rocketta
Oct 3rd, 2003, 07:34 PM
actually it was kris that was married to ricky. kelly, as you'll see below, is the famous tic-tac girl.

Mini biography
Son of Tom Harmon and Elyse Knox. Sister Kelly is the Tic-Tac model. Oldest sister is Kris Tinker, painter and ex-wife of Rick Nelson. That makes him the uncle of actress Tracy Nelson, and musicians Matthew and Gunnar Nelson of the band Nelson. In 1987 Harmon and his wife, Pam Dawber, sued his sister Kris for custody of her youngest son Sam.

o i c, Thanks! :)




rocketta, i read a review of "after the promise" and it sounds wonderful. i'm sorry i missed it. :)


Yes it really is a sweet movie. If I ever get on the ball and get a tv/video capture card for my computer, Oh and a DVD burner. I'd burn you a copy. Ok, that basically means never although I do want those things I don't think the finances will come around enough. :tape: However, if you find a video store that has it definitely rent it. I got mine off of ebay and had to pay like $20 for it 5 years ago. Last time I looked they were selling for $30. I don't think CBS had too many videos made and its kind of hard to find. Maybe not though I haven't looked for one in a while.

Miss Thang
Oct 3rd, 2003, 08:34 PM
someone mentioned jumpstreet....isnt that where Richard Greico started...wasnt he Booker? and then had a spin off..i had SUCH a crush on him back then! whew chile...loved some booker....i look back on that and wanna puke (well sorta) cause hes such a disaster now....him and Yasmine bleethe just tore it up! good lord

Booker was fine but chiiilllllleeee it was the chinese dude that I was feelin. :drool:

Miss Thang
Oct 3rd, 2003, 08:36 PM
ooh y'all are going back!

they need to put 21 jumpstreet on DVD! that was my show! I was like 8! teehee. damn Johnny Depp... good gawd. I used to drool over him. *sigh*

Girl I thought maybe u was watchin Punky Brewster at that time! :lol: ;)

Johnny was da ish but I still luv me some chinese dude from Jumpstreet. :D

Miss Cari u remember the corny theme song for Jumpstreet? I luv me some Miss Holly but girlfriend could NOT sing. :o

:worship: @ Rocke! she knows her trivia! She scares me though... :bolt: :tape:

Miss Rocketta is da bad mama jamma. :worship:

Miss Thang
Oct 3rd, 2003, 09:09 PM
If you were a true Ms. Thang then you would know that she Played a stripper in "the Players Club" and she played the bride in "The Best Man"

Ms. Thang you not up on nothin.

Chile is that Lisa Ray in the middle? Miss Rocketta already the chick with curly hair is they girl who play Lisa on Save By The Bell. Who are the other sista's in the pic? Thanks boo! :wavey:

I forgot to ask. Do you guys know if Monica's movie Civil Brand ever came out? I've been looking for it to rent but my video stores and even other ones I checked don't have it. This is a pic from the movie.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0326806/civil_brand_01_300dpi.jpg