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lizchris
Sep 22nd, 2003, 01:29 AM
I think this is from an Australian newspapers, but if I an wrong, please correct me:


Madonna-Britney kiss angers Stevie

By NUI TE KOHA
19sep03

STEVIE Nicks rates the notorious Madonna-Britney kiss as the most obnoxious television moment ever.

"First of all, Madonna is too old to be kissing someone who is 22," the Fleetwood Mac singer told the Herald Sun.
"And Britney should be smarter than that. Hopefully, she will figure a way out of this hole she has dug for herself."

Original rock chick Nicks, 55, said Spears and Christina Aguilera should wear more clothes and try writing decent songs.

"I personally have never been to a strip club, but I turn on MTV and see in every single video what it must be like to be at a strip club," Nicks said.

"I think the mystery is gone, and if you have no mystery, then you aren't even sexy.

"Real sexuality and sensuality is in the music, and all these girls, vis-a-vis, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and on and on, should go back to writing songs and start over because it won't last and they won't last.

"When they are 55, they won't be around and that's sad because I think a lot of those girls are very talented. But they are signing their own death warrants."

Nicks was appalled by Madonna's publicity stunt kiss with Spears at the recent MTV Awards.

"I thought it was the most obnoxious moment in television history," she said.

"Madonna will be fine. Madonna is Madonna. She does what she wants. She will get over this. But will Britney get over it? I don't know."

Nicks revealed Madonna asked Jennifer Lopez to be in the smoochy routine, but J.Lo told Madge to kiss something else.

Nicks is the ultimate rock survivor, weathering drug addictions, depression and a tumultuous relationship with Lindsey Buckingham.

Fleetwood Mac performs at Rod Laver Arena on February 23. Tickets go on sale on Monday.



Normally, I would just say that this is a woman who is jealous of two singers that are younger and more popular than her, but I think Stevie has a point here with Britney. It is obvious that she doesn't have the singing ability of Christina Aguilera or Jessica Simpson, but I didn't think she was that desperate to revive what can be best described as a stalled singing career to do what she did at the VMA's.

BTW, Stevie was on the money about the videos on MTV today.

Rocketta
Sep 22nd, 2003, 02:30 AM
yeah but she did a bunch of crazy stupid stuff so why shouldn't these kids mess up too? I mean I have a hard time listening to a former drugged out rummoured Wicca/Witch putting down someone elses behavior.

ttaM
Sep 22nd, 2003, 02:50 AM
Stevie! :)

Britney: Needed the attention because Justin was getting too much attention for his work.

Madonna: Needed it because her album stunk, and writing Children's books doesn't give you anything.

Christina: Was probably just horny for Britney and Madonna.

Keith
Sep 22nd, 2003, 03:06 AM
I think Stevie is entitled to her opinion. Stevie never used her sexuality to get what she wanted. Stevie has earned a name for herself through hard work and determination in a male-controlled business. She did it the hard way, much like Sheryl Crow. If Stevie sounds bitter, I don't think that is the case at all. Stevie and Sheryl are examples of musicians using their talent as opposed to using their bodies to advance their careers.

Keith
Sep 22nd, 2003, 03:07 AM
Sheryl Crow once said (referring to Britney and Christina), "Once you've had a camera shoved up your pussy, where do you go from there?"

*JR*
Sep 22nd, 2003, 03:14 AM
Fleetwood Mac - Gypsy
(written by: Stevie Nicks)


so i'm back to the velvet underground
back to the floor that i love
to a room with some lace and peper flowers
back to the gypsy...that i was...to the gypsy...that i was...

and it all comes down to you
well you know that it does, well...
lightning strikes...maybe once...maybe twice...
oh....and it lights up the night....
and you see your gypsy.......
you see your gypsy....

to the gypsy......
that remains.....
she faces freedom......
with a little fear.....
well i have no fear....
i have only love.....
and if i was a child....
and the child was enough.....
enough for me to love....
enough to love......

she is dancing away from you now
she was just a wish
she was just....a wish
and her memory is all that is left for you now
you see your gypsy.....
you see your gypsy.....

lightning strikes...
maybe once...maybe twice....
and it all comes down to you
oooooo......oh......well it all comes down to you....
lightning strikes...
maybe once....maybe twice....
oh.............
i still see your bright eyes......bright eyes...
and i've always loved you....
and it all comes down to you
it all comes down to you.....

GBFH
Sep 22nd, 2003, 03:17 AM
*ahem* this is my fave Stevie Nicks song:

Sara

Written by stevie nicks.

Wait a minute baby...
Stay with me awhile
Said you'd give me light
But you never told be about the fire

Drowning in the sea of love
Where everyone would love to drown
And now it's gone
It doesn't matter anymore
When you build your house
Call me home

And he was just like a great dark wing
Within the wings of a storm
I think i had met my match -- he was singing
And undoing the laces
Undoing the laces

Drowning in the sea of love
Where everyone would love to drown
And now it's gone
It doesn't matter anymore
When you build your house
Call me home

Hold on
The night is coming and the starling flew for days
I'd stay home at night all the time
I'd go anywhere, anywhere
Ask me and i'm there because i care

Sara, you're the poet in my heart
Never change, never stop
And now it's gone
It doesn't matter what for
When you build your house
I'll come by

Drowning in the sea of love
Where everyone would love to drown
And now it's gone
It doesn't matter anymore
When you build your house
Call me home

All i ever wanted
Was to know that you were dreaming
(there's a heartbeat
And it never really died)

Steam
Sep 22nd, 2003, 03:21 AM
Who the hell cares about Stevie Nicks? She is about as relevant as 8-track.

vs1
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:10 AM
Sheryl Crow once said (referring to Britney and Christina), "Once you've had a camera shoved up your pussy, where do you go from there?"

:eek: :lol: :worship:

vs1
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:10 AM
Stevie is a GODNESS!! :worship:
She's all about leather and lace!!! :lol: She rocks!!! :worship:

*JR*
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:20 AM
Sheryl Crow once said (referring to Britney and Christina), "Once you've had a camera shoved up your pussy, where do you go from there?"
And Stevie's contemporary Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders once told a seminar for wannabe female rockers not to show too much skin ...because you're saying "fuck you", not "fuck me". :lol:

DutchieGirl
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:27 AM
:eek: So two girls kissed on tv! :eek: Seriously, who gives a rats?

DutchieGirl
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:28 AM
oh and btw, yes it's an Aussie paper. I think it was Saturday's Herald Sun. (Coz I was reading it at work and I saw the article - didn't actually read it though, just :rolleyes: and read something worthwhile). ;)

Freewoman33
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:29 AM
Love Stevie, love Sheryl.

I think Christina has a future as a serious musician, once she's done with these wild and crazy 20 something years. Britney, on the other hand, will fade into oblivion. She has no talent whatsoever.

Richie77
Sep 22nd, 2003, 06:05 AM
Go STEVIE!!! :bounce: :worship: She is right on the money.

Keith :wavey: Your post was right on the money also :) If anyone should be giving out advice on career longevity, it's Stevie Nicks. She's been famous for almost 30 years, and is still recording hit albums, both solo and with Fleetwood Mac.

vs1
Sep 22nd, 2003, 06:30 AM
Love Stevie, love Sheryl.

I think Christina has a future as a serious musician, once she's done with these wild and crazy 20 something years. Britney, on the other hand, will fade into oblivion. She has no talent whatsoever.

RIGHT?!?! I think the same thing. At least Christina has a good voice and some talent. And once she gets some contact lenses...well, maybe she'll have a better wardrobe as well!! :lol:

JonBcn
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:23 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love Stevie Nicks and cant stand Britney, but what's the difference between Britney singing other peoples songs, and Stevie hiring Sheryl Crow, Sarah MacLachlan, Dixie Chicks and Macy Gray, which was nothing if not a desperate attempt to buy credibility and increase sales of her records? Britney co-wrote 7 of the songs on her soon-to-be-released album too. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

kku
Sep 22nd, 2003, 11:47 AM
I think Pink was jealous when she saw Madge frenching Christina.... :p

alfajeffster
Sep 22nd, 2003, 03:02 PM
ANGEL

Sometimes
The most beautiful things
The most innocent things
And many of those dreams
Pass us by
Keep passing us by


You feel good
I said it's funny that you understood
I knew you would
When you were good
You were very, very good


I still look up
When you walk in the room
I've the same wide eyes
They tell the story
Try not to reach out
When you turn 'round
And you say hello
And we both pretend
There was an end
But there was no ending


So I close my eyes softly
Til I become that part of the wind
That we all long for sometime
And to those that I love
Like a ghost through a fog
Like a charmed hour
And a haunted song
And the angel of my dreams


I still look up
I try hard not to look up
That girl was me
Track a ghost through the fog
A charmed hour--a haunted song
Track a ghost through the fog, baby


Ooh, you try hard
But you'll never catch me--yeah



She is right on point, and still, after all these years, infinitely more interesting than Madonna, Brit, Christina or any of the endless stream of fake barbie-doll porno priestesses.

CC
Sep 22nd, 2003, 04:59 PM
Has anyone ever written anything for you


Has anyone ever written anything for you
In all your darkest hours
Have you ever heard me sing
Listen to me now
You know I'd rather be alone
Than be without you
Don't you know

Has anyone ever given anything to you
In your darkest hours
Did you ever give it back
Well, I have
I have given that to you
If it's all I ever do
This is your song

And the rain comes down
There's no pain and there's no doubt
It was easy to say
I believed in you everyday
If not for me
Then do it for the world

Has anyone ever written anything for you
In your darkest sorrow
Did you ever hear me sing
Listen to me now
You know I'd rather be alone
Than be without you
Don't you know

So, if not for me, then
Do it for yourself
If not for me then
Do it for the world
Poet priest of nothing
Poet priest of nothing

Malin
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:51 PM
stevie and sheryl are examples of musicians...that's the difference. :)

yeah but they got nothing else, at least Britney is good to look at. 50 years from now most people will remember Britney, Sheryl on the other hand will be forgotten. I consider her a one hit wonder, she has never had the success again of "All I wanna do"

Colin B
Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:14 PM
Stevie never used her sexuality to get what she wanted.
No??
I can tell you from experience that she figured pretty highly in a lot of adolescent male ( probably female too) fantasies back in the seventies.

Stevie never exactly snogged Christine Perfect-McVie on stage but I can remember 'Rumours' publicity photos, circa 1977, depicting them in pseudo-sapphic embraces. She didn't show a lot of flesh back then either but that didn't stop her oooozing sexuality! That's why Mick Fleetwood and John Mcvie hired her.

It does sound as if she's getting a bit......"Ooooooh! That's disgusting - we didn't do that in my day!".

*JR*
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:40 AM
Girlfriend was STILL the consumate songbird in the late 90's reunion! Stevie Nicks
Silver Spring

You could be my silver spring;
Blue-green colors flashing.
I would be your only dream;
Your shining on a ocean crashing.
And then you say she was pretty;
And then you say that she loves you.
Baby, I don't want to know.

I begin not to love you;
Turn around, see me running.
I said I loved you years ago;
Tell myself, you never loved me, no.
And then you say she was pretty;
And then you say that she loves you.
Baby, I don't want to know.

And then you tell me,
Was it worth it?
Really, I don't want to know.

Time cast its spell on you,
But you won't forget me.
I know I could have loved you,
But you would not let me.

Time cast its spell on you,
But you won't forget me.
I know I could have loved you,
But you would not let me.
I'll follow you down till the sound
Of my voice will haunt you.
You'll never get away from the sound
Of the woman that loves you.
I'll follow you down till the sound
Of my voice will haunt you.
Was I just a fool?
You'll never get away from the sound
Of the woman that loves you.
Was I just a fool?
I'll follow you down till the sound
Of my voice will haunt you.
Give me just a chance.
You'll never get away from the sound
Of the woman that loves you.

You could be my silver spring;
My blue-green colors flashing

CC
Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:51 AM
Time cast its spell on you,
But you won't forget me.
I know I could have loved you,
But you would not let me.
I'll follow you down till the sound
Of my voice will haunt you.
You'll never get away from the sound
Of the woman that loves you.
I'll follow you down till the sound
Of my voice will haunt you.

:)

Keith
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:52 AM
yeah but they got nothing else, at least Britney is good to look at. 50 years from now most people will remember Britney, Sheryl on the other hand will be forgotten. I consider her a one hit wonder, she has never had the success again of "All I wanna do"

Sheryl Crow is probably the most talented female singer/songwriter out there today. Sheryl has been around for 10 years, and her accolades (including 8 grammy's for her,0 for Brit) and achievements more than overshadow anything Britney has done. I'll give Britney the popularity vote over Sheryl, but ask any serious musician who has the goods, and it's Sheryl. Sheryl is admired and respected by musicians well before her time. Britney is nothing more than novelty in pop music, and Britney's best is well behind her. Sheryl is a true example of how hard work, talent and drive can lead a person to great things. Sheryl did not have to use her sexuality to get what she wanted in a male dominated industry. Her talents did. Britney just found herself blowing the right guy.

And by the way, Sheryl is not a one hit wonder. "If It Makes You Happy" eclipsed "All I wanna do" in sales and chart position. And if I'm not mistaken, "Soak Up The Sun" also did, or it came close.

Malin
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:29 AM
soak up the sun was some pop garbage, it was worse than many of Britney's early songs. Sheryl may be a true musician but she does not have a very strong fan base or following. And she dresses very slutty nowadays especially for a woman of her advanced age.

Keith
Sep 23rd, 2003, 02:58 AM
soak up the sun was some pop garbage, it was worse than many of Britney's early songs. Sheryl may be a true musician but she does not have a very strong fan base or following. And she dresses very slutty nowadays especially for a woman of her advanced age.

Sheryl has a very strong fan following. The difference is that they are not crazy star struck teenagers, they are older, mature fans. The kind of fans that stick around for a long time. They buy her CD's, see her concerts, but they don't go buying Sheryl binders, posters, pens, and whatever you could slap her likeness on. Sheryl is 40 and I think she looks great for 40. I know you are a Jen fan as well (like me, so I dont wanan fight) but I think you need to realize that just because Sheryl is not a fantasy in every teenage boys mind and she isn't the role model for wet pantied teenage girls, that does not mean that she is not a commercial success.

http://www.sherylcrow.com/images/gallery/p01.jpg

Gospodin
Sep 23rd, 2003, 04:24 AM
yeah but they got nothing else, at least Britney is good to look at. 50 years from now most people will remember Britney, Sheryl on the other hand will be forgotten.
this is the dumbest comment ive read yet. 50 years from now, diehard teenybopper britney fans might not even be able to say with a straight face that they used to listen to this garbage that they so love now. ask anyone who was a fan of the teenybopper acts from years back, they will all deny that they used to like that pop shit. true musicians and artists on the other hand will never have that problem unless they truly sell themselves out. 50 years from now, someone will probably still be covering "landslide" and in that time asssuming the teenyboppers actually grow themselves some taste will be looking back to this and say..."me? i never listened to that!"

Richie77
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:38 AM
Here are Sheryl's songs that I've heard on the radio...and this is off the top of my head:

All I Wanna Do
Strong Enough
Can't Cry Anymore
Leaving Las Vegas
If It Makes You Happy
Everyday is a Winding Road
Home
My Favorite Mistake (her best song :) )
Anything But Down
Soak Up The Sun
Steve McQueen

And I'm sure there's one or two more that have slipped my mind...

galadriel
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:31 PM
Go Stevie :D

Bacardi
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:46 PM
Stevie Nicks is an old hag. I'm sorry but isn't that what you call a witch wannabe when they are over 50? In the seventies she was all about fucking her bandmates, getting high, and preaching that she could put voodoo wicca spells on people. Yet she thinks it's weird for Madonna to go kissing two girls? Piffffffff

Stevie Nicks = HOMOPHOBIC

Now as for the picture of Sheryl Crow in here, she does have a large fan following (me being one of them). She's an awesome talent, and damn beautiful for someone over 40. Keep rockin Sheryl! :kiss:

Bacardi
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:50 PM
Christina: Was probably just horny for Britney and Madonna.

:haha: :lol: :worship: :rolls:

This is probably the most true statement I've read in this entire thread. XTina swings both ways, that's no secret... I bet the original set was just gonna be Madonna and Britney but when XTina heard about it, I bet she paid to be in on locking lips. :p

Richie77
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:42 PM
Oh come on! Stevie Nicks isn't homophobic!

Give me one example of that. And her getting upset over the kiss doesn't count.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:45 PM
yeah but she did a bunch of crazy stupid stuff so why shouldn't these kids mess up too? I mean I have a hard time listening to a former drugged out rummoured Wicca/Witch putting down someone elses behavior.

First of all what does her religion have to do with any of this? Second she has a point in relation to HER LIFE. She had the choice to do what she wanted and she chose not to flaunt her body. Britney and Christina have the same choice. They chose to flaunt it. It doesnt make it wrong for them if thats what they want to do. No one tells the supermodels they can't flaunt what they have down the runway or in front of the camera so why can't singers do it? Hell actors do it all the time so why can't singers do it?

I think sheryl crow should worry about her own pussy and not britneys or christina's.

If you dont like it then don't listen and dont watch. I know I sure as hell dont. I will never purchase one of their albums. They suck. People need to go out and find the real music that isn't shoved down the mass media throat like today's latest junkfood only to be vomited out to make room for tommorows garbage.

THEY SUCK!

and i notice that madonna wasn't kissing all up on missy.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:49 PM
Stevie Nicks is an old hag. I'm sorry but isn't that what you call a witch wannabe when they are over 50? In the seventies she was all about fucking her bandmates, getting high, and preaching that she could put voodoo wicca spells on people. Yet she thinks it's weird for Madonna to go kissing two girls? Piffffffff

Stevie Nicks = HOMOPHOBIC

Now as for the picture of Sheryl Crow in here, she does have a large fan following (me being one of them). She's an awesome talent, and damn beautiful for someone over 40. Keep rockin Sheryl! :kiss:

shes not homophobic. i think stevie was upset that it was a publicity stunt. i doubt if madonna and britney were really lovers shed care at all.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:50 PM
Sheryl Crow is probably the most talented female singer/songwriter out there today. Sheryl has been around for 10 years, and her accolades (including 8 grammy's for her,0 for Brit) and achievements more than overshadow anything Britney has done. I'll give Britney the popularity vote over Sheryl, but ask any serious musician who has the goods, and it's Sheryl. Sheryl is admired and respected by musicians well before her time. Britney is nothing more than novelty in pop music, and Britney's best is well behind her. Sheryl is a true example of how hard work, talent and drive can lead a person to great things. Sheryl did not have to use her sexuality to get what she wanted in a male dominated industry. Her talents did. Britney just found herself blowing the right guy.

And by the way, Sheryl is not a one hit wonder. "If It Makes You Happy" eclipsed "All I wanna do" in sales and chart position. And if I'm not mistaken, "Soak Up The Sun" also did, or it came close.

She has done a lot but her music does nothing for me. She has her place in the industry and I respect that she earned it the hard way but the most talented ever? nope.

also i think its wrong for you to suggest that britney had to blow anyone to get where she is. Were you there? How do you know this? Its just more mysognistic crap shoved at women who dont do or act like people want them to. To turn things around how do you know sheryl didn't blow someone? Just because brit shows more skin does not mean she is a slut and just because you dont show doesnt mean you aren't.

no one called george michael shaking his ass in front of the camera a slut.

lizchris
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:56 PM
shes not homophobic. i think stevie was upset that it was a publicity stunt. i doubt if madonna and britney were really lovers shed care at all.

I tought for years that Stevie might be lesbian, but I don't think she is (plus her real name is Stephanie Lynn, not Stevie).

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:57 PM
yeah but they got nothing else, at least Britney is good to look at. 50 years from now most people will remember Britney, Sheryl on the other hand will be forgotten. I consider her a one hit wonder, she has never had the success again of "All I wanna do"

looks arent forever and they certainly arent everything except to shallow idiots like yourself. britneys problem is she is already losing her looks from all that fake tanning she did. if it wasnt for lighting, heavy make-up, and push-up bras to help her saggy tits, then the girl would be screwed. shes already got far too many freckles on her chest and its proven that overexposure to the sun on your breasts does promote sagging. you can see all the damage done to her body and face already and shes what, 21? oh yeah, the cigarettes wont help with her complexion much either.

50 years from now britney will be a joke, just like new kids on the block are now. shell disappear in a couple of years when her looks start to go downhill and people get tired of the pop shit as rap music takes over. shell come back, do a playboy spread like tiffany, and fade away once again. she cant sing, she cant act, and looks only take you so far. the only way she can survive is if she does a pamela anderson type thing.

lizchris
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:01 PM
looks arent forever and they certainly arent everything except to shallow idiots like yourself. britneys problem is she is already losing her looks from all that fake tanning she did. if it wasnt for lighting, heavy make-up, and push-up bras to help her saggy tits, then the girl would be screwed. shes already got far too many freckles on her chest and its proven that overexposure to the sun on your breasts does promote sagging. you can see all the damage done to her body and face already and shes what, 21? oh yeah, the cigarettes wont help with her complexion much either.

50 years from now britney will be a joke, just like new kids on the block are now. shell disappear in a couple of years when her looks start to go downhill and people get tired of the pop shit as rap music takes over. shell come back, do a playboy spread like tiffany, and fade away once again. she cant sing, she cant act, and looks only take you so far. the only way she can survive is if she does a pamela anderson type thing.

You forgot that she will get married, have a baby and leave her husband for another man (like Tiffany).

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:09 PM
looks arent forever and they certainly arent everything except to shallow idiots like yourself. britneys problem is she is already losing her looks from all that fake tanning she did. if it wasnt for lighting, heavy make-up, and push-up bras to help her saggy tits, then the girl would be screwed. shes already got far too many freckles on her chest and its proven that overexposure to the sun on your breasts does promote sagging. you can see all the damage done to her body and face already and shes what, 21? oh yeah, the cigarettes wont help with her complexion much either.

50 years from now britney will be a joke, just like new kids on the block are now. shell disappear in a couple of years when her looks start to go downhill and people get tired of the pop shit as rap music takes over. shell come back, do a playboy spread like tiffany, and fade away once again. she cant sing, she cant act, and looks only take you so far. the only way she can survive is if she does a pamela anderson type thing.

And whats wrong with that? Why do you sound so bitter and hateful? Who cares if that is all she does thats more than some people accomplish in life. She has a commodity and she sells it to the marketplace. There is no shame in her game. Anna k does the same thing and good for her. She has a product people want. So go for it. And obviously some people think she can sing or they wouldnt buy her albums. i think her voice stinks but thats me. I wont begrudge her for doing what she wants to make a living.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:18 PM
um, did i SAY there was anything wrong with what she was doing?

no, i dont believe i did. thank you. :)

its just the truth, as bitter and hateful as it may sound, its the truth.

malin has been known to call every other female singer out there a whore except britney the angel. his obsession is a bit ridiculous.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:19 PM
You forgot that she will get married, have a baby and leave her husband for another man (like Tiffany).

lol oh yeah, shit, sorry :)

Keith
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:22 PM
She has done a lot but her music does nothing for me. She has her place in the industry and I respect that she earned it the hard way but the most talented ever? nope.

also i think its wrong for you to suggest that britney had to blow anyone to get where she is. Were you there? How do you know this? Its just more mysognistic crap shoved at women who dont do or act like people want them to. To turn things around how do you know sheryl didn't blow someone? Just because brit shows more skin does not mean she is a slut and just because you dont show doesnt mean you aren't.

no one called george michael shaking his ass in front of the camera a slut.

I didn't call Sheryl the most talented. I think she is up there, it's my opinion and I am entitled to that. After reading her biography, in which MANY, MANY people that are highly regarded in the music industry had very nice things to say about Sheryl, I was surprised at how well received she is. I am a fan, too. Furthermore, in the book, Sheryl could well have found more instant success had she done whatever Frank Dileo wanted her to do, as well as other people who tried to get in the sack with her. So I don't know for sure what Sheryl did or did not do, but what is clear is that she did not need to because of her talent.
Sheryl's music does nothing for you, and well, that is fine. But Sheryl has banked millions off of people that do. Same thing with Britney, but I think that Britney has a very clear advantage in life, and that is being pretty. Nothing wrong with that, It happens to me too. But her talent is not as important as her looks and the fact that she is willing to do whatever her record label thinks she should do to make everyone else rich, herself included. Perhaps my BJ comment about Britney was uncalled for, but I think its a general feeling that Britney's image is controlled by other people. It made her rich as fuck though, so all the power to her. My point was that someone like Stevie is saying that women don't have to use their bodies and stupid media stunts to get attention. Stevie has longevity in her career, and other than using her natural sex appeal, not flaunting it, not hiding it, that has resulted in a long withstanding career. Surely Brit will flop in her next few attempts and become nothing more than a very rich has-been.

PhoenixStorm
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:35 PM
I didn't call Sheryl the most talented. I think she is up there, it's my opinion and I am entitled to that. After reading her biography, in which MANY, MANY people that are highly regarded in the music industry had very nice things to say about Sheryl, I was surprised at how well received she is. I am a fan, too. Furthermore, in the book, Sheryl could well have found more instant success had she done whatever Frank Dileo wanted her to do, as well as other people who tried to get in the sack with her. So I don't know for sure what Sheryl did or did not do, but what is clear is that she did not need to because of her talent.
Sheryl's music does nothing for you, and well, that is fine. But Sheryl has banked millions off of people that do. Same thing with Britney, but I think that Britney has a very clear advantage in life, and that is being pretty. Nothing wrong with that, It happens to me too. But her talent is not as important as her looks and the fact that she is willing to do whatever her record label thinks she should do to make everyone else rich, herself included. Perhaps my BJ comment about Britney was uncalled for, but I think its a general feeling that Britney's image is controlled by other people. It made her rich as fuck though, so all the power to her. My point was that someone like Stevie is saying that women don't have to use their bodies and stupid media stunts to get attention. Stevie has longevity in her career, and other than using her natural sex appeal, not flaunting it, not hiding it, that has resulted in a long withstanding career. Surely Brit will flop in her next few attempts and become nothing more than a very rich has-been.


well I agree that brit will flop mainly because her music is dated, unoriginal, and her choreography is dervivative. Like you said she will be gone in a few years like the new kids. However she has every right to do what she does and it doesnt make her bad person or a better or worse person than someone with more talent like Crow.

The only thing I can say about Crow is that at least she has something to say and has an honesty in her work. Other than that not my cup of tea.

On the flip side I have heard people say that Bjork just uses her costumes and quirky attitude as a gimmick to sell her records. Sort of like how people say how brit uses sex. BJORK RULES!

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 06:59 PM
Surely Brit will flop in her next few attempts and become nothing more than a very rich has-been.

much like Vanilla Ice.....;)

Keith
Sep 23rd, 2003, 07:10 PM
well I agree that brit will flop mainly because her music is dated, unoriginal, and her choreography is dervivative. Like you said she will be gone in a few years like the new kids. However she has every right to do what she does and it doesnt make her bad person or a better or worse person than someone with more talent like Crow.

The only thing I can say about Crow is that at least she has something to say and has an honesty in her work. Other than that not my cup of tea.

On the flip side I have heard people say that Bjork just uses her costumes and quirky attitude as a gimmick to sell her records. Sort of like how people say how brit uses sex. BJORK RULES!

I didn't really compare the two and I did not say that Britney was a bad person because of it. I do what people tell me in my job. It made Britney set for life, and even if I have a few disgusting things to say, that will not change.

Stevie basically did talk about her honesty in her own work, which of course is her own work, much like Sheryl. It's my opinion, but I think they have more to be proud of than Britney. I would guess that it is Stevie's opinion that upcoming female musicians should not follow the lead that Britney and Madonna took, but to take the road less travelled. It certainly gives them an edge of credibility over the Madge's and Brit's of the world, but it was probably a lot of dedication and drive on their parts.

Bjork is definitely cool. I think she is very strange, but I think it's unique, not necessarily contrived. Bjork is (I think) very instrumental in the production, writing and basically everything involved with whatever she puts her name on, including her sometimes wacky persona, 'vis is very koot' (read: which is very cute in a bjork accent) So again, the credibility - But what about the duck dress!? Didn't a friend make it for her (with friends like that, who needs enemies?!)

Malin
Sep 23rd, 2003, 07:56 PM
rap music will never take over, if you can even call that shit music

*JR*
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:27 PM
Ah, Tiffany! One of those 80's "triplets" along with Belinda Carlisle and Debbie Gibson. :D

apoet29
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:38 PM
rap music will never take over, if you can even call that shit music

I hate to break it to you, but rap music has taken over. Just look at the Top 100 on Billboard. Rap music has had a pioneering influence on today's music since the early 80's, and that influence is not going away any time soon.

The Billboard Hot 100TM
Top 50 Positions /Issue Date:September 27, 2003
This
Week Last
week Weeks
on chart "Title," Artist
Imprint | Catalog No. | Promotion Label

Peak
Position
1 1 14 Shake Ya Tailfeather, Nelly, P. Diddy & Murphy Lee
Bad Boy | SOUNDTRACK CUT | UMRG 1
2 2 7
Baby Boy, Beyonce Featuring Sean Paul
Columbia | ALBUMS CUT 2
3 3 20 Right Thurr, Chingy
Disturbing Tha Peace | 77995 | Capitol 2
4 6 22 Get Low, Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz Featuring Ying Yang Twins
BME | 2377* | TVT 4
5 4 16 Into You, Fabolous Featuring Tamia Or Ashanti
Desert Storm/Elektra | 67452* OR ALBUM CUT | EEG 4
6 8 18 P.I.M.P., 50 Cent
Shady/Aftermath | 000888* | Interscope 3
7 5 16 Frontin', Pharrell Featuring Jay-Z
Star Trak | 53004* | Arista 5
8 7 19 Crazy In Love, Beyonce Featuring Jay-Z
Columbia | 79949* 1
9 9 16 Where Is The Love?, Black Eyed Peas
A&M | 000714* | Interscope 8
10 10 28 Unwell, matchbox twenty
Atlantic | ALBUM CUT 5
11 11 8 Damn!, YoungBloodZ Featuring Lil Jon
So So Def | 52215* | Arista 11
12 12 9 Can't Hold Us Down, Christina Aguilera Featuring Lil' Kim
RCA | 54526* | RMG 12
13 13 14 My Love Is Like... Wo, Mya
A&M | 000768 | Interscope 13
14 16 10 Why Don't You & I, Santana Featuring Alex Band Or Chad Kroeger
Arista | PROMO SINGLE OR ALBUM CUT 14
15 22 11 Thoia Thoing, R. Kelly
Jive | 54283* 15
16 15 22 The Remedy (I Won't Worry), Jason Mraz
Elektra | ALBUM CUT | EEG 15
17 18 27 Drift Away, Uncle Kracker Featuring Dobie Gray
Lava | ALBUM CUT 9
18 14 13 Let's Get Down, Bow Wow Featuring Baby
Columbia | 79928 14
19 23 8 Can't Stop, Won't Stop, Young Gunz
Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam | ALBUM CUT | IDJMG 19
20 20 10 The Boys Of Summer, The Ataris
Columbia | ALBUM CUT 20
21 38 4 Stand Up, Ludacris Featuring Shawnna
Disturbing Tha Peace/Def Jam South | 001183* | IDJMG 21
22 25 15 What Was I Thinkin', Dierks Bentley
Capitol (Nashville) | 77963 22
23 21 14 It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, Alan Jackson & Jimmy Buffett
Arista Nashville | ALBUM CUT 17
24 19 19 Calling All Angels, Train
Columbia | ALBUM CUT 19
25 40 5 Here Without You, 3 Doors Down
Republic/Universal | ALBUM CUT | UMRG 25
26 17 18 Never Leave You - Uh Ooh, Uh Oooh!, Lumidee
Universal | 000652* | UMRG 3
27 30 9 Senorita, Justin Timberlake
Jive | ALBUM CUT 27
28 34 12 Real Good Man, Tim McGraw
Curb | ALBUM CUT 28
29 26 18 Are You Happy Now?, Michelle Branch
Maverick | ALBUM CUT | Warner Bros. 16
30 36 6 Suga Suga, Baby Bash Featuring Frankie J
Universal | 001055 | UMRG 30
31 29 19 Forever And For Always, Shania Twain
Mercury/IDJMG | ALBUM CUT 20
32 32 16 Come Over, Aaliyah
Blackground/Universal | ALBUM CUT | UMRG 32
33 28 29 Bring Me To Life, Evanescence Featuring Paul McCoy
Wind-up | SOUNDTRACK & ALBUM CUT 5
34 49 5 Rain On Me, Ashanti
Murder Inc./Def Jam | 001107* | IDJMG 34
35 37 15 Help Pour Out The Rain (Lacey's Song), Buddy Jewell
Columbia (Nashville) | 79885 35
36 24 16 In Those Jeans, Ginuwine
Epic | ALBUM CUT 8
37 42 9 So Far Away, Staind
Flip/Elektra | ALBUM CUT | EEG 37
38 39 14 Dance With My Father, Luther Vandross
J | ALBUM CUT | RMG 38
39 31 23 Magic Stick, Lil' Kim Featuring 50 Cent
Queen Bee | ALBUM CUT | Atlantic 2
40 57 6 Harder To Breathe, Maroon5
Octone/J | ALBUM CUT | RMG 40
41 33 14 No Shoes, No Shirt, No Problems, Kenny Chesney
BNA | ALBUM CUT 28
42 27 17 Like Glue, Sean Paul
VP/Atlantic | 88145* 13
43 35 20 Miss Independent, Kelly Clarkson
RCA | ALBUM CUT | RMG 9
44 46 23 Headstrong, Trapt
Warner Bros. | ALBUM CUT 44
45 48 5 Bigger Than My Body, John Mayer
Aware | ALBUM CUT | Columbia 45
46 41 21 Rock Wit U (Awww Baby), Ashanti
Murder Inc./Def Jam | 000540* | IDJMG 2
47 45 45 When I'm Gone, 3 Doors Down
Republic/Universal | ALBUM CUT | UMRG 4
48 58 4
Walked Outta Heaven, Jagged Edge
Columbia | 76974 48
49 52 4 Ooh!, Mary J. Blige
Geffen | ALBUM CUT 49
50 43 32 Get Busy, Sean Paul
VP/Atlantic | 88020* 1

As for Britney, I do think Britney will be remembered as a pop icon for the new millenium just as Debbie Gibson and Tiffany are remembered for being pop icons of the 80's. But for you to say that Sheryl Crow wouldn't be remembered because she is not a hot blonde is ludicrious. Crow is a very talented female musician and is still considered a viable artist well after Britney's career is over.

lizchris
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:44 PM
rap music will never take over, if you can even call that shit music

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't music. Years ago, jazz and rock music was called ****** music by whites because they didn't consider it music (because it was performed by blacks).

Martian Willow
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:48 PM
...didn't Stevie Nicks have breast implants...?

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:34 PM
rap music will never take over, if you can even call that shit music

:haha: coming from a Britney Spears fan is a compliment I guess.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:37 PM
Oh wait who did I hear is going to rap on her new album?? That's right Britney. :haha:

hmm, who was that I saw rapping on "Punked"? That's right it was Britney....:haha:

decemberlove
Sep 24th, 2003, 02:00 AM
rap music will never take over, if you can even call that shit music

welcome to the real world, honey.

its taken over... why do you think theres so many burb white boys buying rap cds and wearing clothing lines by rappers? the slang has taken over everywhere... the black influence on our culture has always been strong... previously it was a white person who would steal a black persons idea and the white would get credit for it [ahem, elvis]. its still kinda like that [eminem] but it seems to be getting better with giving the true people the recognition they deserve.

decemberlove
Sep 24th, 2003, 02:03 AM
Oh wait who did I hear is going to rap on her new album?? That's right Britney. :haha:

hmm, who was that I saw rapping on "Punked"? That's right it was Britney....:haha:

:lol:

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Malin
Sep 24th, 2003, 02:58 AM
Damn you seem to know more news about Britney than i do, and you don't call yourself a fan. Rap music is all the same, talking about sluts and clubs, it will fade, even Timbaland has said that.

So before all the blacks get offended and start screaming racism, i'm just stating my opinion. And let me clarify all rap is not bad, just all the ones that say the same thing and have the same videos. People like Missy and Bubba and even Eminem represent good rappers.

Malin
Sep 24th, 2003, 03:10 AM
I didn't want to start a new thread for this, but look at these never before seen pics of Britney and Justin

http://www.livejournal.com/community/britney_fans/230422.html#cutid1

Gospodin
Sep 24th, 2003, 03:28 AM
why?

R&J
Sep 24th, 2003, 03:41 AM
yeah but she did a bunch of crazy stupid stuff so why shouldn't these kids mess up too? I mean I have a hard time listening to a former drugged out rummoured Wicca/Witch putting down someone elses behavior.
I like Stevie Nicks - but I dont agree with her comments here. Oh well thats life, not everyone can agree on everything.

casanovalover
Sep 24th, 2003, 05:17 AM
how could that right thurr song be no.3 on the charts.
i've got nothing against rap music, but that song is just so simple.

nicks is right. as much as i enjoyed watching it, it was a sad attempt to grab some headlines. where was the creativity? i don't think it had anything to do with nicks' views on lesbianism.

britney's music sucks, but it's always catchy, even when you hate it i find it's still something that gets into your head.

and btw sheryl crow, although a bit old for me now, is hot! how is she a one hit wonder? didn't she just get nominated for like 6 grammy's and she's won 8. i still listen to her first album regularly - so many great songs, and they actually are saying something.

i don't have a problem with people liking pop-music though. i secretly think most people have a side to them that likes it, but they're just too elitist/embarrassed to admit it. it certainly is not my fav genre by a long shot, but there are definitely times when i just feel in the mood to belt out those songs, and the best thing is that they all exactly the same, so how can you go wrong?

darren cahill
Sep 27th, 2003, 10:58 PM
...didn't Stevie Nicks have breast implants...?


yeah she did, she also had them removed back in the late 80's i believe

I kinda agree with what Stevie was getting at here but she only added more fuel to what Madonna and Britney were trying to do and that was to get people talking about them....every time someone puts it down...its almost the same as giving them thumbs up...I love Stevie Nicks but she should be a bit more forgiving for others doing 'stupid stuff'....this is a woman who had an affair with Mick Fleetwood while he was still married and the woman he was married to was/is a good friend of Stevies...i'm sure not a moment in time shes thrilled with? everyone has their moments and Stevie should realize she wasnt exempt either...that said...i am seeing Fleetwood Mac next thrusday here in DC and i cant wait to rock on with my gold dust woman!

*JR*
Sep 27th, 2003, 11:41 PM
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't music. Years ago, jazz and rock music was called ****** music by whites because they didn't consider it music (because it was performed by blacks). Well I know you don't consider me a racist, and I'd define "good rap" as closer to political speechmaking than music. (And Gangsta rap as a Jerry Springer show type variation. Remember, the term "bitches and ho's" those social misfits use is applied to black women, too. Gosh, I wonder if those creeps even respect their own mothers or grandmothers)? :eek:

lizchris
Sep 28th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Well I know you don't consider me a racist, and I'd define "good rap" as closer to political speechmaking than music. (And Gangsta rap as a Jerry Springer show type variation. Remember, the term "bitches and ho's" those social misfits use is applied to black women, too. Gosh, I wonder if those creeps even respect their own mothers or grandmothers)? :eek:

Let me give you a brife history regarding the type of people who were in rap and who are in rap now. When rap started in the mid-1970's, the type of people who wrote the songs and/or performed them came from relative stable homes (I know because I went to school with the niece of the people who managed the Sugar Hill Gang, Sylvia and the late Joe Robinson). Rap started degenerating into mindless shit when gansta rap took over and it turned into hip hop. The people who were responsible for this came from single parent or no parent homes and it is reflected in their music. Notice the difference between rappers like Kurtis Blow, the Sugar Hill Gang, LL Cool J, Will Smith, Run-DMC and Doug E. Fresh and rappers like Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Nelly and 50 Cent; one group had some sort of relationship with both parents(who tended to be married) and the other group had little or no relationship with both parents (who tended to have kids out of wedlock). What I say might not be politically correct, but it is the truth.

BTW, I am not saying that music performed by some gansta rappers wasn't good; I am just saying it could have been a lot better without all the cursing and denegrating of women.

Bacardi
Sep 28th, 2003, 03:36 AM
As much as I hate rap, and have a clear distaste for it in general... I will still admit it's the IN thing right now. Of course, it's all been caused by that sniviling snot Eminem, but the kids like, what the kids like.

Rap music is the current IN thing, before that it was Pop Princess and Boy Band music... Hell I even reacall a few years ago we had a big Country explosion with line dancing. I predict the next thing is poppy punk. But like all things with time, rap will fall back out of the spot like... Just like the Pop music... and I couldn't be more glad to see them both go.

Over hyped, Over Produced, Mass Marketed Crap.... That my friends, is what MTV is selling, and I'm not buyin it!

decemberlove
Sep 28th, 2003, 04:21 AM
^ you dont know real rap music, thats why. people think what they hear on tv is the only rap in existence.

i generally dont like mainstream crap period. they take a genre and pull the worst, simplistic music from it and make it popular. the public cant handle real, deep meaningful lyrics... they rather hear a catchy beat and the same lyrics over and over.

give me real hardcore and punk anyday over that poppy dashboard confessional bullshit. ick. im soooo sick of hearing of those kids in magazines and seeing people wear all this ugly punk-trendy clothes.

Richie77
Sep 28th, 2003, 07:01 AM
Here are Sheryl's songs that I've heard on the radio...and this is off the top of my head:

All I Wanna Do
Strong Enough
Can't Cry Anymore
Leaving Las Vegas
If It Makes You Happy
Everyday is a Winding Road
Home
My Favorite Mistake (her best song :) )
Anything But Down
Soak Up The Sun
Steve McQueen

And I'm sure there's one or two more that have slipped my mind...
Need to add a song! How could I forget this one:

Sunshine Sally and Peter Ustinov
Don't like the scene anyhow
I dropped acid on a Saturday night
Just to see what the fuss was about
Now, there goes the neighborhood

decemberlove
Sep 28th, 2003, 07:04 AM
oh yeah, and sheryl crow is a goddess

Richie77
Sep 28th, 2003, 07:09 AM
:)

I remembered two more songs:
- "Sweet Child O' Mine," a cover of the Guns 'N' Roses song

- "C'mon, C'mon," the title track of her latest album

JonBcn
Sep 28th, 2003, 10:03 AM
Did you know that Sheryl Crow is an anagram of 'bland nasal monotonal safe middle aged MOR'?

Just kidding ;)

*JR*
Sep 28th, 2003, 11:20 AM
As much as I hate rap, and have a clear distaste for it in general... I will still admit it's the IN thing right now. Of course, it's all been caused by that sniviling snot Eminem, but the kids like, what the kids like.
Don't blame the "product" like Eminem, blame the "impressarios" like (white) Rick Rubin, (black) Suge Knight, and others for who and what they choose to promote. BTW, I still remember one rapper not mentioned, Grandmaster Flash and his "signature" (rap, as I still liken the genre to a poetry reading or a flamboyant speech more than to actual music). Excerpts (minus the chorus) from White Lines: Something of a phenomenon,
Telling your body to come along
Cause White Lines blow away
Blow! Rock! Blow!

Ticket to ride a white-line highway
tell all your friends they can go my way
Pay your toll, sell your soul
pound for pound it costs more than gold
The longer you stay, the more you pay
my white lines go a long way
Either up your nose or through your vein
with nothing to gain except killing your brain

Higher baby, get higher baby, get higher baby
and don't ever come down... Free base!

A million magic crystals painted pure and white
A multi-million dollars almost overnight
Twice as sweet as sugar, twice as bitter as salt
And if you get hooked baby,
it's nobody else's fault - so don't do it!

Higher baby, get higher baby, get higher baby
and don't ever come down... Free base!

A street kid gets arrested, gonna do some time
He got out three years from now
just to commit more crime

A businessman is caught with twenty four kilos
He's out on bail, and out of jail,
and that's the way it goes!

Cane! Sugar! Cane! Sugar! Cane!

Athletes reject it - governors correct it
Gangsters, punks, and smugglers are
thoroughly respected
The money gets divided - the women get excited
Now I'm broke and it's no joke
it's hard as hell to fight it - don't buy it!
Preach, brother! :angel:

Bacardi
Sep 28th, 2003, 01:18 PM
^ you dont know real rap music, thats why. people think what they hear on tv is the only rap in existence.

i generally dont like mainstream crap period. they take a genre and pull the worst, simplistic music from it and make it popular. the public cant handle real, deep meaningful lyrics... they rather hear a catchy beat and the same lyrics over and over.

give me real hardcore and punk anyday over that poppy dashboard confessional bullshit. ick. im soooo sick of hearing of those kids in magazines and seeing people wear all this ugly punk-trendy clothes.

Nah, I've heard real rap. My cousin has quite a collection of underground not mainstream stuff he's brought around for me to listen to. I guess I just can't relate to it. I've never been able to get into the whole rap scene, so therefore now that it's IN I guess I'm just OUT for a while.

I agree with you mainstream stuff is crappy. It saddens me, I liked groups like NFG, Atari's, and Dashboard BEFORE they ever made it to mainstream and were just artists on small independant labels. Since they've gone mainstream, the crap has just sucked. So now, I'm stuck listening to stuff like "Pennywise" "Bouncing Souls" "Rancid"... That's more punk than the stuff out there is to begin with. But thanks to stores like HOT TOPIC it's now an IN thing to dress punk. So I feel like a teenager everytime I walk outside in my NFG tshirt that I've had for almost 3 years!

mostly you'll find me listening to a good Trip Hop CD, which is something that never caught on in the US. And I've never heard radio play from any of the artists I like. Also, I like a less mainstream Indie rock, but sadly just as soon as they are signed to a major deal they change their shit and it's no longer decent music anymore.

*JR*
Sep 28th, 2003, 04:25 PM
^ you dont know real rap music, thats why. people think what they hear on tv is the only rap in existence.

i generally dont like mainstream crap period. they take a genre and pull the worst, simplistic music from it and make it popular. the public cant handle real, deep meaningful lyrics... they rather hear a catchy beat and the same lyrics over and over.

give me real hardcore and punk anyday over that poppy dashboard confessional bullshit. ick. im soooo sick of hearing of those kids in magazines and seeing people wear all this ugly punk-trendy clothes.
See the similarity in the way gangsta rap and Jerry Springer are marketed with sensationalism to ppl seeking cheap thrills? :(