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ttaM
Sep 17th, 2003, 07:30 PM
Ex-Gen. Wesley Clark to Seek White House

By RON FOURNIER
The Associated Press
Tuesday, September 16, 2003; 11:13 AM


LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Wesley Clark, the retired general with a four-star military resume but no political experience, decided Tuesday to become the 10th Democratic presidential candidate, officials close to him said.



Mark Fabiani, a spokesman for Clark, did not reveal the decision, but sources close to the former Army general said he told his fledgling campaign team that he's in the race. The announcement will be made at 1 p.m. EDT Wednesday in Little Rock, sources said.

Clark's decision came as Democratic strategists from around the country gathered at his small, low-slung brick headquarters on the banks of the Arkansas river to discuss strategy for mounting a late-starting presidential campaign.

Fabiani, who served as spokesman for former Vice President Al Gore's 2000 campaign, is part of a cadre of former Gore and Bill Clinton advisers, who are now rallying behind Clark. In addition to Fabiani, among those attending the meeting were Ron Klain, a strategist in Al Gore's 2000 campaign; Washington lawyer Bill Oldaker; Vanessa Weaver, a Clinton appointee; Skip Rutherford, a Clinton fund-raiser who lives here; George Bruno, a New Hampshire activist; and Peter Knight, a Washington lobbyist and longtime Gore fund-raiser. Bruce Lindsey, former White House aide and now an Arkansas lawyer, also backs Clark.

Clinton had urged Clark to enter the race, but neither he nor Gore is expected to take sides in the primary fight.

Clark's team was exploring several venues in Little Rock for an announcement, including a park named for World War II Gen. Douglas MacArthur, a Little Rock native. This site would underscore what Clark's advisers consider his greatest strength: his longtime military background.

Clark greeted reporters with a "good morning," as he climbed into a two-seat sports car and left his headquarters. Some of his aides had already gathered for the meeting, including Fabiani and Rutherford. Others, including Klain and Bruno, were still making their way to the Arkansas capital.

Clark, 58, believes his four-star military service would counter Bush's political advantage as a wartime commander in chief, friends say. The retired general has been critical of the Iraq war and Bush's postwar efforts, positions that would put him alongside announced candidates Howard Dean, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio as the most vocal anti-war candidates.

It would be a long-shot bid.

Just four months before voting begins, Clark would be competing against candidates who have had months to raise money, build organizations in key states and recruit the party's top political talent.

But the strategists assembled in Little Rock on Tuesday are among the party's best. An Internet-fueled draft-Clark movement has developed the seeds of a campaign organization and more than $1 million in pledges.

Clark's team urged supporters from the draft Clark committees to travel to Little Rock for the announcement.

Clark's resume is formidable - Rhodes scholar, first in his 1966 class at West Point, White House fellow, head of the U.S. Southern Command and NATO commander during the 1999 campaign in Kosovo.

Clark's local office said no announcement was planned for Monday or Tuesday but it was noncommittal about the rest of the week as supporters anxiously awaited his decision.

Nearly 12 years after Clinton announced his first campaign, Arkansans were excited at the prospect of backing another favorite son.

"He almost has to (run) in light of everything that's happened," said Little Rock lawyer Phillip McMath, a friend of Clark's since ninth grade. "He seems to be campaigning and getting his ducks in a row."

Jean Wallace, a classmate of Clark's from grammar school, has organized Warriors for Wes, a group of Clark classmates named after the mascot at their alma mater, Hall High School. She said the supporters were ready to travel the country to tout Clark's candidacy the way "Friends of Bill" organizations crisscrossed the country campaigning for Clinton.

"We are eagerly awaiting an announcement very shortly. There are thousands of people across the country doing the same thing, people who have put their hearts and time and resources into this effort," Jeff Dailey, spokesman for Draft Clark for President 2004, said.

The group, one of several Draft Clark groups, boasts of 166 coordinators in 50 states.

"In New Hampshire, there are many people ready to move out if they're given the green light," said Bruno, one of Clinton's earlier backers in the key primary voting state.

Clark is scheduled to deliver a speech at the University of Iowa on Sept. 19.

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FINALLY...someone I want to vote for. :bounce:

decemberlove
Sep 17th, 2003, 07:36 PM
FINALLY...someone I want to vote for. :bounce:


co-signed.

he was on bill maher not too long ago. bill kept pressing him to run... im glad hes actually doing it. id much rather vote for him than howard dean.

decemberlove
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:06 PM
NO ONE has comments about Clark in the running?

yawl care so much about that lame-ass howard dean and have nothing to say about clark? shame.

ys
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:10 PM
Oh.. After Bush, all we really need is a career military as a president. Militaries should not be allowed to even think about political careers. Hopefully it does not happen. I'd rather vote for Dean or Hillary than for a soldier.

decemberlove
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:25 PM
eisenhower, grant, washington [couple of others, as well... grant? who else? cant remember now, too much drinking this weekend]

id rather have a general in office than a pussy bitch who ran home to daddy when it was time to ship out.

ttaM
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:40 PM
Clark is the best bet for beating Bush. The Republicans are going to try to question the "partiotism" of the other candidates because of there critism of Bush and the war in Iraq. It will be hard for the Bush team to question Clark on his patriotism since he has 30+ years in the military, and was a 4-star General. Clark has also been critical of the Bush policy in Iraq. The Dems. who have won the office have so by running as moderate Dems. Clark can get the moderate Republicans to vote for him. Dean will not. The swing voters are going to be crucial, IMO, in this next election. Clark having military experience is good too, because those who have had military experience are less likely to send troops into conflict, because they know what it is like to be sent somewhere for months or years.

Also...it will be hard for the Bush team to attack Clark on him having no experience held in a public office, since most of them are hoping for Arnold S. to win the CA recall election. But at least Clark does have leadership skills. I believe he was the Supreme European Allied Commander. Arnold, well... :rolleyes:

ys
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:48 PM
give me an army man to lead me any day. at least i would know that he's not just spitting rhetoric and lofty ideals. at least i would know that this man/woman was once willing to die for his/her cause. i can respect that. i can really, really respect that.

No way. Have no respect or sympathy to military at all. Remember, those are people who do not know what individual freedoms are. They spent all their lives not having them. And they will extrapolate their habits to their respective country. And on top of that, that's the man whom bombed Yugoslavia.

ys
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:49 PM
id rather have a general in office than a pussy bitch who ran home to daddy when it was time to ship out.

Well, I understand that. But I'd rather have "a pussy bitch" in my office.

CC
Sep 22nd, 2003, 07:58 PM
He looks like a Kool Kat. :cool:

ttaM
Sep 22nd, 2003, 08:58 PM
No way. Have no respect or sympathy to military at all. Remember, those are people who do not know what individual freedoms are. They spent all their lives not having them. And they will extrapolate their habits to their respective country. And on top of that, that's the man whom bombed Yugoslavia.

Bush, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld combined have had less time in the military (if any at all) than Clark, and do you think they are doing a fine job at protecting individual rights of people in this country? What makes you so sure Dean will be any better than the 3 above on this issue? I think you're looking too far into the military aspect of Clark. Clark is running as a Dem. And the majority of the people in the military know what personal freedoms are. Not everyone who enters the service stays in the service until retirement.

Cariaoke
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:08 PM
Clark doesn't seem to waffle as much as Dean.

Dean came to my school and said all the shit he needed to say to get votes but when asked about the very issues of which he gave his stance on in front of a small group of people, on television, he gave standard non-partison answers. :rolleyes:

CondiLicious
Sep 22nd, 2003, 09:56 PM
People should concentrate on giving those dumbos in Palm Beach County lessons on how to vote properly otherwise it wont really matter who runs and what their policies are :lol:

ys
Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:32 PM
Clark doesn't seem to waffle as much as Dean.

Dean came to my school and said all the shit he needed to say to get votes but when asked about the very issues of which he gave his stance on in front of a small group of people, on television, he gave standard non-partison answers. :rolleyes:

Politician's positions during campaigning are almost irrelevant. Campaigning is about getting votes, not about politics or issues. That will come later.

ys
Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:36 PM
Bush, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld combined have had less time in the military (if any at all) than Clark, and do you think they are doing a fine job at protecting individual rights of people in this country?


Are you suggesting trying anyone who hasn't tried yet? Clark hasn't. We have no idea what he will be like as President. And if they don't even trust militaries to run Ministry of Defence in USA, I would not trust a military the most powerful position innthe world. It is scary. Look at Powell. He is useless. He has no say at all, while his position has always been a position of a real policy-maker.

Cariaoke
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:16 PM
Politician's positions during campaigning are almost irrelevant. Campaigning is about getting votes, not about politics or issues. That will come later.
when I was at Clinton's rallies and when he appeared on TV after he got the nomination, nearly none of his positions changed.

I don't support wafflers, sorry.

Cariaoke
Sep 23rd, 2003, 01:17 PM
anyhoo. good news...

Clark Tied With President Bush in Poll
By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Democrat Wesley Clark, in the presidential race for less than a week, is tied with President Bush (news - web sites) in a head-to-head matchup, according to a poll that shows several Democratic candidates strongly challenging the Republican incumbent.

Clark, a retired Army general, garnered 49 percent support to Bush's 46 percent, which is essentially a tie given the poll's margin of error. The CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll was conducted Sept. 19-21, beginning two days after Clark announced he would become the 10th Democratic candidate for the party's nomination.


Several other Democrats who have been in the race for months also were close to Bush in direct matchups. Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts and Sen. Joe Lieberman (news - web sites) of Connecticut also were tied with the president, while Bush held a slight lead over former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (news - web sites) and Rep. Dick Gephardt (news - web sites) of Missouri.


In the head-to-head confrontations, it was Kerry at 48 percent to Bush's 47 percent; and Bush's 48 percent to Lieberman's 47 percent. Bush held a slight lead over Dean, 49-45 percent, and had a similar advantage over Gephardt.


Separately, Clark led all Democratic candidates in the survey released Monday that showed Bush far more vulnerable.


The president's job approval was 50 percent, with 47 percent disapproving. The public gave Bush high marks for having the personality and leadership qualities of a chief executive. But just over half, 51 percent, said they disagreed with the president on issues that matter most to them, while 46 percent agree.


Republican pollster Bill McInturff cautioned against making too much of Clark's early strength in a national poll taken so close to his well-publicized entry into the presidential race.


"There are plenty of examples where you get this enormous bounce and it usually settles quickly," said McInturff, citing Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record)'s showing in a South Carolina poll taken after his victory in the 2000 New Hampshire primary in 2000.


Public opinion is extremely unpredictable early in the election cycle as voters have not focused on the race, according to McInturff, who noted that Republican Bob Dole was running ahead of President Clinton (news - web sites) the year before the election. Clinton prevailed in 1996.


Still, Clark's strong showing in early polls a Newsweek survey this past weekend showed Clark grouped among the leaders in the Democratic field and not far behind Bush in a head-to-head matchup will impress Democratic donors, said Dane Strother, a Democratic strategist not aligned with any of the campaigns.


"If you're number one in the polls, I don't care when it happens," said Strother, who pointed out that Democratic activists also will be closely watching Clark, and "you only get one chance to make a good first impression."


The battle for the party nomination will be fought state by state, and Clark's strength in early-voting states such as Iowa and New Hampshire will be crucial. National polls tend to reflect name recognition and aren't the most accurate indicator of a candidate's viability.


Among voters who are Democratic or lean Democratic, Clark led all Democratic candidates with 22 percent, Dean had 13 percent, Kerry and Gephardt 11 percent and Lieberman 10 percent. The remaining candidates were in the low single digits.


The poll of 1,003 adults, including 877 registered voters, had a margin of error of plus of minus 3 percentage points, 4 points for registered voters.

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 03:42 PM
bush is fucked... finally.

CondiLicious
Sep 23rd, 2003, 04:11 PM
bush is fucked... finally.

Yeah but... There's a pattern... 8 years after Georgey loses his brother will win...

Cariaoke
Sep 23rd, 2003, 05:20 PM
:haha: oh, gawd... TWO IS ENOUGH!

ttaM
Sep 23rd, 2003, 07:37 PM
http://www.meetclark.com/faq/

Click on the "What is Clark's position on..." line and you will see what his stance is on certain issues.

CondiLicious
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:03 PM
He seems too good to be true. There has to be at least something bad about him :lol:

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:07 PM
well im sure hes not perfect.

hes blunt, straightforward... and i can really respect that. even if i do disagree with him, i can respect that.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:13 PM
He's kind of handsome for an old man too! :drool:

decemberlove
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:14 PM
yes a nice change from W :)

CondiLicious
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:16 PM
I prefer Howard Dean. I like his views on more equal rights for gay and lesbian couples.

But anything is better than Georgey Bush.

Rocketta
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:17 PM
yes a nice change from W :)

Yeah, the deer caught in headlights look isn't too appealing to me....:lol:

CondiLicious
Sep 23rd, 2003, 08:26 PM
http://www.bushorchimp.com/images/pic39.jpg

ptkten
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:52 PM
:lol: :lol: :tape: @ the picture

I agree at this point anyone would be better than Bush, but I need to learn more about Clark's positions on issues before I would support him

Warrior
Sep 23rd, 2003, 10:02 PM
I agree with ys. However, general Clark is still a better choice than any of these neoconservatives that are running the country now.

Pureracket
Sep 23rd, 2003, 10:20 PM
I'm sure the skanky interns are lining up to work in the White House now that another Dem might be in office.

CondiLicious
Sep 23rd, 2003, 11:36 PM
I'm sure the skanky interns are lining up to work in the White House now that another Dem might be in office.

And what makes you so sure that they aren't already there getting some monkey loving from Bushyboy???

lakeway11
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:31 AM
fuck this son-of-a-bitch general piece of garbage who waged war of Serbia on behalf of those fuckin worthless KLA muslim drug-running terrorist Albanians...for this mother fucker to be out front complaining about Bush's war on Iraq when it was HIS fuckin war that gave the precendent to use pre-emptive force against a sovereign nation...fuck you General Clark I hate your fuckin guts...Kosovo was a province of Yugoslavia and the military intervention of the U.S. and Clark's NATO's war was totally unprecedented--far more worse & controversial than the policy of regime change in Iraq...Wesley scumbag ran the most illegal war in history and befriended that Hashim piece-of-shit commander of the KLA whose ties to bin Laden likely run very deep

ys
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:46 AM
fuck this son-of-a-bitch general piece of garbage who waged war of Serbia on behalf of those fuckin worthless KLA muslim drug-running terrorist Albanians...for this mother fucker to be out front complaining about Bush's war on Iraq when it was HIS fuckin war that gave the precendent to use pre-emptive force against a sovereign nation...fuck you General Clark I hate your fuckin guts...Kosovo was a province of Yugoslavia and the military intervention of the U.S. and Clark's NATO's war was totally unprecedented--far more worse & controversial than the policy of regime change in Iraq...Wesley scumbag ran the most illegal war in history and befriended that Hashim piece-of-shit commander of the KLA whose ties to bin Laden likely run very deep

Yes, I am not fond of him too.

lakeway11
Sep 24th, 2003, 02:47 AM
Yes, I am not fond of him too.

it's beyond belief this war criminal is running as an anti-war candidate when he should be locked up in jail for his crimes rather than running around free mouthing off liberal b.s....

http://www.antiwar.com/malic/clark.jpg

here is this monster with KLA leader Hashim Taqi on the left celebrating I suppose killing innocent Serbians and destroying their schools, hospitals, bridges, transportation outlets, churches, marketplaces, etc.
:fiery:

Cariaoke
Sep 24th, 2003, 03:52 AM
yeah, and those two iraqi campaigns by good ol boys Bush I and Bush II were like killer, literally. Let's not forget the U.S.'s history of taking out democratically-elected presidents AROUND THE WORLD and replacing them with dictators. Plenty of people have blood on their hands but no one seems to be pointing fingers at them. Probably because they have Alzheimer's and we're supposed to feel sorry for them (Reagan and Iran Contra) or they're dead (Nixon and where do I begin?).

I don't see anyone crying tears for the Pacific Islanders who were exposed to atomic bombs in the 40's, 50's and 60's and even more recently in the 90's when France decided to get crunk with their nuclear weapons. No one seems to cry for people in 'uncivilized' regions. At least Serbia was in a WAR unlike the Pacific Islanders who were just enjoying their lives on the beach. :rolleyes:

There's INJUSTICE and DESTRUCTION everywhere but I only seem to hear an outcry when CERTAIN people suffer. Hmmm... I wonder why...

Malin
Sep 24th, 2003, 04:01 AM
Does this guy have any political background??

ys
Sep 24th, 2003, 04:02 AM
yeah, and those two iraqi campaigns by good ol boys Bush I and Bush II were like killer, literally. Let's not forget the U.S.'s history of taking out democratically-elected presidents AROUND THE WORLD and replacing them with dictators.

For one, Chileans should serve a daily pray that USA helped to replace democratically-elected Allende with bloody tyrant Pinochet, otherwise instead of being the healthiest economy of South America they could have been another Cuba or North Korea right now. Sometimes those democratically-elected presidents could be as bad as democratically elected head of state of Germany, 1933.

Serendy Willick
Sep 24th, 2003, 07:52 AM
Carol Mosley-Braun has also entered the race. A VERY VERY Serious long shot, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for this woman.

Cariaoke
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:58 PM
For one, Chileans should serve a daily pray that USA helped to replace democratically-elected Allende with bloody tyrant Pinochet, otherwise instead of being the healthiest economy of South America they could have been another Cuba or North Korea right now. Sometimes those democratically-elected presidents could be as bad as democratically elected head of state of Germany, 1933.
of all the things I said, this is what you pick on. :haha:

oh and for the record, I know. look at the U.S. under Bush. oh wait, shoot, he wasn't elected. he was appointed. my bad.

Cariaoke
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:59 PM
Carol Mosley-Braun has also entered the race. A VERY VERY Serious long shot, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for this woman.
She is a serious long shot but I give her props on running. Go CMB! :D

decemberlove
Sep 25th, 2003, 10:05 PM
anyone watching the debate or am i the only nerd?

JasonW
Sep 25th, 2003, 11:24 PM
Being the only Bush fan here, I must say that that poll is very iffy. At this time during Ronald Reagans presidency, his approval rating was in the 40's, and he won in a Landslide. Oh, and I just remembered. Old Billy boy Clinton skipped out on the draft also.

decemberlove
Sep 26th, 2003, 06:41 AM
guess im the only nerd :)

and honestly, i dont blame anyone for skipping out on the draft. i know id want to. fuck fighting a pointless war...