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propi
Sep 15th, 2003, 11:09 AM
:wavey:

A writer called Miranda Twiss has written a book where she list those people who have the doubtful honnor of being the most perverse people of history. They are

Personages so known as Calígula (the schizophrenic emperor), Nerón (the fifth emperor of Rome), Atila, King of the Hunos (he whips of God), John without Earth (cruel and implacable monarch), Torquemada (the Spanish inquisidor), Prince Drácula (Vlad the Empalador), Francisco Pizarro (the conqueror of the Incas), Maria I the Bloodthirsty one (a catholic queen in a protestant country), Iván IV the Terrible one (the czar of all the Rusias), Isabel, countess Báthory (countess Drácula), Rasputín (the crazy monk that ended a dynasty), Josef Stalin (a tyrant of century XX), Adolf Hitler (the father of the final solution), Ilse Koch (the vixen of Buchenwald), Pol Pot (the creator of the genocide); and Idi Amin (the butcher of Eastern Africa).

Any thoughts???

propi
Sep 15th, 2003, 11:15 AM
I forgot can someone give information about who were Ilse Koch, Idi Amin and what they did????
Thanks

E. Blackadder
Sep 15th, 2003, 11:17 AM
caligula :worship:

Cassius
Sep 15th, 2003, 11:54 AM
<---------------------- Me!!!!!

controlfreak
Sep 15th, 2003, 12:02 PM
How bizarre... my ex german teacher isn't on that list. :confused:

irma
Sep 15th, 2003, 12:11 PM
I forgot can someone give information about who were Ilse Koch, Idi Amin and what they did????
Thanks

ilse koch worked in a concentration camp and was incredible cruel to the prisoners but I wonder who wasn't who worked there so you can probably replace her name with all people who did that work since I doubt anybody was nice and sensitive :o

irma
Sep 15th, 2003, 12:15 PM
and rasputin was maybe nuts but you can't compare him with murderers. at least I don't think he killed anybody just influenced them

bee
Sep 15th, 2003, 01:31 PM
I think Idi Amin just died recently... he was a tyrant ruler and ordered the execution of a lot of people.....

Ted of Teds Tennis
Sep 15th, 2003, 01:49 PM
Idi Amin was dictator of Uganda in the 1970s. He forced all the Asians (who were very overrepresented in business ownership) to leave the country, and IIRC was also responsible for a fairly large number of murders.

The King John mentioned is John (Lackland), King of England who was forced to sign the Magna Carta.

dubro
Sep 15th, 2003, 05:41 PM
jesus :confused:

lmao, jk

Shedevil
Sep 15th, 2003, 05:48 PM
:lol: Attila?? impossible :worship: that list goes way back :p

icetrein
Sep 15th, 2003, 06:07 PM
:lol: Attila?? impossible :worship: that list goes way back :p
Did you chicken out? :p:p:p:p

TennisHack
Sep 15th, 2003, 08:54 PM
What, no mention of the Marquis de Sade? In a "who are the most perverse people of all time" thread? Color me surprised :D

Dracula and his wife -- that's a bit much.

propi
Sep 15th, 2003, 09:33 PM
What, no mention of the Marquis de Sade? In a "who are the most perverse people of all time" thread? Color me surprised :D

Dracula and his wife -- that's a bit much.
Actually she's not his wife at all... this one is the mad one who use to take blood baths

adss
Sep 15th, 2003, 10:17 PM
What, no mention of the Marquis de Sade? In a "who are the most perverse people of all time" thread? Color me surprised :D


me too, he was the first person i thought of when i saw this thread

korben
Sep 15th, 2003, 10:19 PM
" Isabel, countess Báthory (countess Drácula) "

She was very sick bitch. :mad:

Killed only about 600 girls... these so called devils of modern time are nobodies compared to her.

Also don´t remeber her name but some other lady ruler sacrificed virgins at rate of one / day. And ruled for some 10 years in some little country (Mauritius ?) anyway she gets honorary mension. :(

You go girls :rolleyes:

Of modern times (outside of war) That russian dude Chikatilo was pretty sick too.

decemberlove
Sep 15th, 2003, 11:54 PM
a lot of these people were just straight crazy from all that mercury in their food/drinks.

ivan used to actually cook up mercury, did he not?

i dont think caligula really belongs on there

toreador
Sep 16th, 2003, 02:41 AM
Prince Drácula (Vlad the Empalador), countess Báthory (countess Drácula)

:worship: :worship:


:devil:

Fingon
Sep 16th, 2003, 04:23 AM
They forgot a few

Bin Laden
Peter the Great (he killed his own son)
Heinrich Himmler (chief of the SS)
Heinrich Mueller (chief of the Gestapo)
Adolph Eichman (the architect of the final solution)
Joseph Goebbels (the most intelligent and hence most dangerous nazi)
Martin Borman (Hitler's right hand)
Reinhardt Heydrich (founder of the SD)
Carlos the Jackal
Gengils Khan
Tamerlan
Jack the ripper

Sam L
Sep 16th, 2003, 04:28 AM
Maria I the Bloodthirsty one ---> Is this Bloody Mary?

I love Bloody Mary! :lol: :worship:

billybizar
Sep 16th, 2003, 06:34 AM
Actually people who mentioned Marquis de Sade (1740-1814) are wrong. There was never found any proof he did horrible things. De Sade got his bad reputation mainly because of his fictional writings for which he frequently ended up in jail. In fact, De Sade was kind of a philosopher who was his time far ahead. He was a judge during the regime of Robespierre who was against the guillotine, tried to keep his enemies out of jail and battled state terror and injustice. Hans Warren famous novelist in the Low Countries said that De Sade is the most free mind that has ever lived. His writings should be treated like the writings of Pascal.

He is one of my favorites too. His novels are truly shocking, but if you can see beyond the described perversities and atrocities you'll discover such an intelligent discour that it will leave you speechless.

I can recommend you "The 120 Days Of Sodom" and "Juliette".

irma
Sep 16th, 2003, 07:12 AM
btw I wonder about the word perverse isn't that more sexist tinted? just wonder in that case rasputin should be on that list and he did it with I don't know how many women

I made an essay about him once :p

Tarsius
Sep 16th, 2003, 07:17 AM
They forgot to put the Borgias: Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia) and his son Cesare Borgia (also a Cardinal). They turned the Vatican into the biggest f*ckhouse in history, but for Cesare no woman was more pleasurable than her sister Lucrezia. Talk about sick.

Also, Cesare was the inspiration for Machiavelli's "The Prince".

irma
Sep 16th, 2003, 07:18 AM
I guess there were a lot animals in this world

what about kain?

kiwifan
Sep 16th, 2003, 03:27 PM
When I think of Perverse People I definitely think of Caligula first and foremost.

I would probably drop all the Nazis off this list except the mad experimenting doctor types because I think true perversity should encompass a "joy" in committing wicked or forbidden acts and from what I know Nazis were generally quite joyless (robotic would probably be more accurate) in their execution of their duties.

Example Ralph Fiennes character in Schindler's list was perverse; the majority of the rest of his brood were just plain evil murdering scum.

tennischick
Sep 16th, 2003, 03:31 PM
she forgot Ben and Jen. they tormented the world for two years. ;)

Mrs. Peel
Sep 16th, 2003, 06:42 PM
she forgot Ben and Jen. they tormented the world for two years. ;)


LMFAO!!! Brilliant

Barrie_Dude
Sep 16th, 2003, 10:51 PM
she forgot Ben and Jen. they tormented the world for two years. ;)You mean "Bennifer"?

Jennifer's wife
Sep 16th, 2003, 11:02 PM
i'd have to say Pol Pot had sum pretty fucked up ideas!

TennisHack
Sep 16th, 2003, 11:26 PM
" Isabel, countess Báthory (countess Drácula) "

She was very sick bitch. :mad:

Killed only about 600 girls... these so called devils of modern time are nobodies compared to her.

Ahh, now I see ;) Is she the one who killed the virgins and bathed in their blood? This is pretty sick :devil:

Actually people who mentioned Marquis de Sade (1740-1814) are wrong. There was never found any proof he did horrible things. De Sade got his bad reputation mainly because of his fictional writings for which he frequently ended up in jail. In fact, De Sade was kind of a philosopher who was his time far ahead. He was a judge during the regime of Robespierre who was against the guillotine, tried to keep his enemies out of jail and battled state terror and injustice. Hans Warren famous novelist in the Low Countries said that De Sade is the most free mind that has ever lived. His writings should be treated like the writings of Pascal.

First of all, I was kidding. I mean, how many times do you ask people to think of "perversion" and de Sade doesn't make their list? He got his bad reputation for writing pornography and it appears he enjoyed it not just because it was porn, but because it pissed people off :devil:

You're very right in the idea that de Sade doesn't belong on a list of mass murderers, as this one seems to be. But you can't separate him from perversion no matter how hard you try.

Barrie_Dude
Sep 16th, 2003, 11:31 PM
" Isabel, countess Báthory (countess Drácula) "

She was very sick bitch. :mad:

Killed only about 600 girls... these so called devils of modern time are nobodies compared to her.

Also don´t remeber her name but some other lady ruler sacrificed virgins at rate of one / day. And ruled for some 10 years in some little country (Mauritius ?) anyway she gets honorary mension. :(

You go girls :rolleyes:

Of modern times (outside of war) That russian dude Chikatilo was pretty sick too.You want a sick bitch, you should meet my former mother in laW

[S@nti]
Sep 16th, 2003, 11:36 PM
:bounce:

Bacardi
Sep 16th, 2003, 11:41 PM
I'd like to nominate myself as the most perverse person in all of history. I can be pretty wicked and mean when I want to be :shout: :devil: :boxing: :armed:

AngelaLansbury
Sep 16th, 2003, 11:55 PM
I rather think that young Mr Bryce was a perverse person. I was on the case when his secretary was murdered. The wicked man cared not a jot for the poor woman, or her family. I certainly won't be planning on inviting him round for some clam chowder when he gets released from prison.

billybizar
Sep 17th, 2003, 07:10 PM
Tennishack, you are right, 'perversion' can't be seperated from Marquis de Sade. It's just that many people can't make a clear distinction between the person 'de Sade' and the fiction he wrote. They probably have that cliché idea of him: a simple tyrant, whipping bare naked girls for his sexual satisfaction in dark, moisty dungeons. In fact, he was a very complex personality who didn't write just 'pornography' but who constructed a whole paradigm about the nature of mankind. That people only seem to remember the sexual component is very pityful imo.

I'd like to add another name on the list:

Massmurderer KING LEOPOLD II of Belgium, responsible for millions of deaths in our former colony Congo. Some claim he is the biggest of them all, surpassing Hitler and Stalin by far.