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Maajken
Sep 10th, 2003, 07:05 PM
The 58th Tour of Spain started last Saturday in Gijon. The scenario of the first 10 days say a lot about this year's race. It started with a team time trial, not surprisingly won by ONCE, followed by 4 days of relatively flat tracks (stages were won by Petacchi (2), Perez and Etxebarria). Tomorrow there's a 53km time trial before heading to the Pyrenees for 3 days, where riders like Heras, Sevilla and Mancebo will have to get ahead of the rest, considering the great number of time trial kms that will be waiting for them the next 2 weeks. All of them will have to get through 2 days in the Sierra Nevada and survive a climb-time-trial on the last but one day.

So who will win this one? Aitor Gonzalez (2002 winner but so far this year nowhere near his best form), Oscar Sevilla (who lost last year's edition by a whisker), Angel Casero (2001 winner but already at a respectable distance), Roberto Heras (after his win in 2000 and his move to the Us Postal team he's never lived up to his favourite status), Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano (it's time for him to make a big step forwards and finally win a 3 week race, he has a wonderful ONCE team to support him) or will one of the outsiders run away with the trophy in Madrid? Don't forget Dario Frigo and Levi Leipheimer.

As far as the sprints go, there's only one man to take into account: Alessandro Petacchi. But the peloton heads for the mountains on Friday and the question is: will he go through all the suffering knowing he's already got what he came here for? At this point he's the only man in cycling history who's won at least 2 stages in all 3 big races in one year. I think the flat stages in the last 2 weeks could be ideal for Zabel, Lombardi, Svorada or Dean.

Enjoy! ;)


5th stage results:
1. Alessandro Petacchi (Ita)
2. A. Edo (Spa)
3. J. Dean (Nzl)
4. E. Zabel (Ger)
5. A. Bucciero (Ita)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030910/capt.1063215773.spain_cycling_mad806.jpg

Overall ranking:
1. Isidro Nozal (Spa)
2. D. Etxebarria (Spa)
3. J. Rodriguez (Spa)
4. I. De Galdeano (Spa)
5. M. Serrano (Spa)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030910/capt.1063216345.spain_cycling_mad807.jpg

Points Classification:
1. Alessandro Petacchi (Ita)

Mountain Jersey
1. Felix Cardenas (Col)

Allround
1. Isidro Nozal (Spa)

carot
Sep 10th, 2003, 07:23 PM
Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano will win as he's still full of ressources not havig to compete in giro or tour

Maajken
Sep 10th, 2003, 08:15 PM
my heart goes to aitor, but i also think igor has the best chances..

propi
Sep 10th, 2003, 11:58 PM
:wavey:
Maeike, thanks for starting a thread about La Vuelta a España :bounce: Today they arrived to my city, and tomorrow the crono is here as well so the traffic will be a nightmare....
Winning heart says Sevilla, mind anyone but Heras :D

propi
Sep 11th, 2003, 07:55 PM
:eek: Congrats Isidro Nozal.... you were the best in this windy city.....
Vuelta confirmed my suspicions and made traffic the worst nightmare ever today :fiery:

KV
Sep 11th, 2003, 07:58 PM
Wouldn't rule Isidro Nazol out to be good in the mountains too, he needs an off day or he might be one of the contenders to win the Vuelta.

propi
Sep 11th, 2003, 08:05 PM
Wouldn't rule Isidro Nazol out too big good in the mountains, he needs an off day or he might be one of the contenders to win the Vuelta.
well ;) tomorrow we'll see how well he deals with mountians as Pyrenees are coming :bounce: :bounce:

KV
Sep 11th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Propri, when you see last year, hardly anybody expected Gonzales to win the Vuelta.

carot
Sep 11th, 2003, 08:42 PM
and this year he's doing well proving last year was a fluke ;)

propi
Sep 11th, 2003, 11:02 PM
Propri, when you see last year, hardly anybody expected Gonzales to win the Vuelta.
I was happy that González won last year, however his behaviour was morally wrong, not only he didn't work for the head of the team (Sevilla was) but he managed to f*ck it up and even attack him :rolleyes:

Central
Sep 12th, 2003, 05:26 AM
Last year there were three major competitors until the last day TT, Heras, González and Sevilla.

I think everyone here wants Sevilla to win this one, but he had a fall last monday and was thinking about going home :rolleyes:

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2003, 07:22 AM
i hope isidro can keep it up but it'll be very hard for him..when he was ahead last monday he wasnt able to follow the rest of the breakaway on a 1st cat. climb. today is much worse and we dont know if he's recovered from yesterday.

i think someone like mercado will win today and igor will take some time back.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2003, 07:46 AM
6th stage results:

1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 53:34
2º 41 MILLAR, David GBR COF a 1:20
3º 24 HRUSKA, Jan CZE ONE a 1:26
4º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:37
5º 1 GONZALEZ, Aitor ESP FAS a 1:41


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 15:04:37
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 2:27
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 2:42


Points Classification:
1º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 50
2º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 47
3º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE 44


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 34
2º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 25
3º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 20


Allround
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 6
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE 26
3º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 27

KV
Sep 12th, 2003, 09:59 AM
i hope isidro can keep it up but it'll be very hard for him..when he was ahead last monday he wasnt able to follow the rest of the breakaway on a 1st cat. climb. today is much worse and we dont know if he's recovered from yesterday.

i think someone like mercado will win today and igor will take some time back.
Karel Van N. said it differently. He said Isidro could follow, I haven't watched so I can't really say.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2003, 10:51 AM
and you believe karl over me :eek: ;)

isidro had to let them go in the last km of the climb, so he was able to catch up after a bit, but he diffinitely had to let go, so today will be tough with 3 major climbs. hopefully for him the yellow jersey will help him survive.

KV
Sep 12th, 2003, 11:12 AM
and you believe karl over me :eek: ;)

isidro had to let them go in the last km of the climb, so he was able to catch up after a bit, but he diffinitely had to let go, so today will be tough with 3 major climbs. hopefully for him the yellow jersey will help him survive.
About Commentators like Karl, Michel etc have to say. They have a very good vocabulary or are very good writers, but knowledge about statistics etc i wouldn't say so.

Maajken
Sep 12th, 2003, 06:14 PM
7th stage results:

1º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 5:01:14
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C a 55
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 59
4º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF a 1:08
5º 87 OSA, Unai ESP BAN a 1:10


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 20:08:37
2º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 55
3º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:21


Points Classification:
1º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 50
2º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 47
3º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE 45


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 86
2º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 58
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 33


Allround
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 8
2º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 17
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20

propi
Sep 12th, 2003, 06:42 PM
Vamos Manuel Beltrán..... !!!!:bounce:

KV
Sep 12th, 2003, 07:08 PM
The Once team survived. Can't say Heras was todays big winner either. Was unfortunate Beltran attacked. Curious about Beltran the following days, if he keeps it up. He may well be one of the contenders, the pressure is with Heras.

propi
Sep 12th, 2003, 07:47 PM
The Once team survived. Can't say Heras was todays big winner either. Was unfortunate Beltran attacked. Curious about Beltran the following days, if he keeps it up. He may well be one of the contenders, the pressure is with Heras.
Beltrán has already said to Spanish Media he's there just to help his leader IE Heras..... but what will his heart think??? he does better in cronos and is really good in mountains.....
I really wish Johan gave him Wild Card to act as he wants, but I doubt it, Heras must be given a reward for being Lance's shadow even if Manuel is fitter :(

Maajken
Sep 13th, 2003, 08:09 AM
beltran has always been a helper and he's never proven to be anything more than that. heras on the other hand has already won the vuelta so it's normal johan still sees him as their biggest weapon. i also think beltran will have an off day at some point.

i wonder what will happen today, it should be a very exciting race and im interested about dario frigo, he'll only get better from now on i suppose..

Central
Sep 13th, 2003, 08:46 AM
I think Beltrán made it into the top 10 in La Vuelta when he was with Banesto, but I'm not too sure...
As I don't think any ONCE rider would be a big challenger for the USP, he will do it well and there might be some moments of doubt for Bruynell (sp?)

Maajken
Sep 13th, 2003, 09:45 PM
8th stage results:

1º 28 RODRIGUEZ, Joaquin ESP ONE 4:45:40
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN m.t.
3º 99 ZABALLA, Constantino ESP KEL a 51
4º 53 JUFRE, José ESP CRF a 51
5º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL a 54


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 24:58:08
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:21
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 1:34


Points Classification:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 15
2º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 20
3º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 24


Mountain Jersey
1º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 91
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 90
3º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 82


Allround
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 15
2º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 20
3º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 24

interesting that nozal and de galdeano didnt lose any time today..in fact i was quite impressed with isidro. if he manages to cling on tomorrow, he'll be the one to beat.

Lindsayfan
Sep 14th, 2003, 07:57 PM
i voted for Heras,only cos i luv him but i'm not sure he's going to win this...specially after today's stage!he said he would have attacked but he didnt and in his diary wrote that today wasnt his best day!he had 3 mountains stages and didnt do anything :fiery: i'm so pissed off.I'm starting to think that Nozal can create a big surprise.

Maajken
Sep 14th, 2003, 08:33 PM
9th stage results:

1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 4:48:36
2º 3 FRIGO, Dario ITA FAS a 1
3º 87 OSA, Unai ESP BAN a 3
4º 88 PIEPOLI, Leonardo ITA BAN a 3
5º 85 MANCEBO, Francisco ESP BAN a 3


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 29:46:47
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:48
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 2:01


Points Classification:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 59
2º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 57
3º 28 RODRIGUEZ, Joaquin ESP ONE 57


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 132
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 106
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 97


Allround
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 14
2º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 17
3º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 19

Maajken
Sep 14th, 2003, 08:37 PM
none of the favourites is head and shoulders above the rest. aitor tried to attack today, but only managed to lose igor and beltran. heras tried aswell but i think he simply wasnt good enough, he even lost some time in the end. these 3 days have been a big test for isidro and he passed with flying colours. from now on he'll be the nb 1 leader in the once team and the biggest favourite to win. if there is a threat it'll come from aitor.

carot
Sep 14th, 2003, 08:40 PM
the only thing that can happen is that nozal has a very bad day, if not i don't think anyone will beat him...

KV
Sep 14th, 2003, 08:43 PM
That's the good thing of the Tour, it's not the first time somebody out of blue wins. More and more increasing chances Isidro winst the Tour of Spain.

Maajken
Sep 14th, 2003, 08:50 PM
it would be good if he did, finally some new young riders :D

propi
Sep 14th, 2003, 11:11 PM
Well talking about young riders, Kelme is doing well in here thanks to Alejandro Valverde, its new prodigy who is well placed in the overall stands :D
I really like this Vuelta but I think top riders are being a bit conservative

Maajken
Sep 15th, 2003, 10:23 PM
10th stage results:

1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 4:10:51
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS m.t.
3º 184 GUIDI, Fabrizio ITA TBI m.t.
4º 219 RODRIGUEZ, Fred USA VIN m.t.
5º 152 BOONEN, Tom BEL QSD m.t.



Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 29:46:47
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:48
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 2:01


Points Classification:
1º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 76
2º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 67
3º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 67


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 132
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 106
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 97


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 16
2º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 17
3º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 21

Maajken
Sep 17th, 2003, 11:44 PM
11th stage results:

1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 3:14:59
2º 152 BOONEN, Tom BEL QSD m.t.
3º 126 EDO, Angel ESP MIL m.t.
4º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL m.t.
5º 85 MANCEBO, Francisco ESP BAN m.t.


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 29:46:47
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:48
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 3:03


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 92
2º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 81
3º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 76


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 132
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 106
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 97


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 16
2º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 17
3º 48 PEREZ, Luis ESP COF 22

propi
Sep 18th, 2003, 12:14 AM
Wow Valverde seems to be on fire... :eek: and Ángel it's a long time I didn't see you in a sprint.....:D

Maajken
Sep 19th, 2003, 07:52 AM
petacchi does it again :worship: :D

very important time trial today. im curious about nozal and whether he'll be as dominant as in the first week.. i guess frigo and gonzalez can make up for some of the lost time today aswell.

12th stage results:

1º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 3:41:49
2º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL m.t.
3º 219 RODRIGUEZ, Fred USA VIN m.t.
4º 31 BERTOLINI, Alessandro ITA ALS m.t.
5º 189 SCHWEDA, Raphael GER TBI m.t.


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 29:46:47
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 1:48
3º 13 BELTRAN, Manuel ESP USP a 3:03


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 112
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 101
3º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 81


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 132
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 106
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 97


Allround
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 17
2º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 18
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20

Maajken
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:28 PM
today was heras' last chance to make up for lost time...which didnt really happen. i dont think nozal will lose 3 minutes in the remaining days.

13th stage results:

1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 1:02:03
2º 41 MILLAR, David GBR COF a 13
3º 5 IVANOV, Serguei RUS FAS a 40
4º 146 GRABSCH, Bert GER PHO a 44
5º 121 MÖLLER, Klaus DEN MIL a 45

14th stage results:

1º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 3:43:16
2º 219 RODRIGUEZ, Fred USA VIN m.t.
3º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL m.t.
4º 192 BRUUN, Thomas DEN CSC m.t.
5º 152 BOONEN, Tom BEL QSD m.t.

15th stage results:

1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 4:20:39
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C m.t.
3º 11 HERAS, Roberto ESP USP a 2
4º 91 SEVILLA, Oscar ESP KEL a 10
5º 64 MARTIN PERDIGUERO, Miguel ESP DVE a 56

16th stage results:

1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 4:09:35
2º 89 MERCADO, Juan Miguel ESP BAN a 5
3º 91 SEVILLA, Oscar ESP KEL a 18
4º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL a 18
5º 88 PIEPOLI, Leonardo ITA BAN a 21


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 54:13:10
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 3:03
3º 11 HERAS, Roberto ESP USP a 3:09


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 135
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 130
3º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 125


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 194
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 112
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 101


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 12
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 15
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20

carot
Sep 23rd, 2003, 09:30 PM
pfff nozal lol

oh well pretty entertaining seeing heras take a few seconds back every day, it keeps the race 'kinda' interesting...

very nice win of cárdenas today btw :)

Central
Sep 24th, 2003, 12:02 AM
at least, with Heras attacking, we might see some fight for the 2nd place, as the 1st... well, something really weird should happen. :rolleyes:

propi
Sep 24th, 2003, 11:19 AM
:lol: I'm glad Heras won't win, he has been too conservative or simply he lacked forces to attack... and there's still a remaining crono, so maybe he loses even podium......
Let's face it, when Heras is in his best form is on Tour, and we all know what's his duty in there....

Maajken
Sep 26th, 2003, 08:03 AM
yeah i liked heras when he was still riding for the kelme team, now he's the only one i'd hate to see win. the last time trial is a climb though so i'd actually expect him to make up some time, maybe even catch igor.. the surprise could come from valverde though (again).

17th Stage results:

1º 41 MILLAR, David GBR COF 3:58:02
2º 78 MARTINEZ, Alberto ESP EUS a 36
3º 91 SEVILLA, Oscar ESP KEL a 36
4º 87 OSA, Unai ESP BAN a 36
5º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB a 36

18th Stage results:

1º 133 DIAZ LOBATO, Pedro ESP ALM 3:07:47
2º 99 ZABALLA, Constantino ESP KEL a 44
3º 81 ARRIETA, José Luis ESP BAN a 44
4º 189 SCHWEDA, Raphael GER TBI a 44
5º 82 GARCIA ACOSTA, José ESP BAN a 44


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 61:20:42
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 3:03
3º 11 HERAS, Roberto ESP USP a 3:09


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 151
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 135
3º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 125


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 194
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 112
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 101


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 12
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 15
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20

propi
Sep 26th, 2003, 10:08 AM
yeah i liked heras when he was still riding for the kelme team, now he's the only one i'd hate to see win. the last time trial is a climb though so i'd actually expect him to make up some time, maybe even catch igor.. the surprise could come from valverde though (again).

17th Stage results:

1º 41 MILLAR, David GBR COF 3:58:02
2º 78 MARTINEZ, Alberto ESP EUS a 36
3º 91 SEVILLA, Oscar ESP KEL a 36
4º 87 OSA, Unai ESP BAN a 36
5º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB a 36

18th Stage results:

1º 133 DIAZ LOBATO, Pedro ESP ALM 3:07:47
2º 99 ZABALLA, Constantino ESP KEL a 44
3º 81 ARRIETA, José Luis ESP BAN a 44
4º 189 SCHWEDA, Raphael GER TBI a 44
5º 82 GARCIA ACOSTA, José ESP BAN a 44


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 61:20:42
2º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 3:03
3º 11 HERAS, Roberto ESP USP a 3:09


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 151
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 135
3º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 125


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 194
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 112
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 101


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 12
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 15
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20
Then you have a nice taste :p
I really would like to see Valverde reaching the podium, but he's about 2 minutes away from it so...:(
Even if there's a climb cronos aren't long enough to do serious upsets, so I think Igor may stay second :)

Schalckske
Sep 26th, 2003, 10:33 AM
Gooo Bobby Julich :bounce: :bounce:


(if he's still in it, that is :o )

KV
Sep 26th, 2003, 10:53 AM
Heras needs something like The Angliru to win the Tour of Spain. He's at his best when it's steep. Hopefully the Angliru will be back next year. Well Done Nozal, you deserve it though he's a very good team.

propi
Sep 26th, 2003, 11:05 AM
Heras needs something like The Angliru to win the Tour of Spain. He's at his best when it's steep. Hopefully the Angliru will be back next year. Well Done Nozal, you deserve it though he's a very good team.
Then I'll pray for a Valverde victory :devil:

Maajken
Sep 26th, 2003, 11:29 AM
heras had the angliru to win the tour last year, but he wasnt able to make a sufficient dent there. if they had done the climb this year, he might have taken around 2 minutes on nozal, but he'd still have a 1 minute deficit in the overall ranking, enough for nozal to still run away with victory in the end, even with the upcoming climb-time-trial.
since his move to us postal, roberto is basically over the hill, he lacks that extra bit that took him all the way to madrid in his kelme years. it's sad to see a rider with his qualities totally sacrifice himself for a teammate in july and eliminating his own chances to win the vuelta in the process.

propi
Sep 26th, 2003, 11:48 AM
heras had the angliru to win the tour last year, but he wasnt able to make a sufficient dent there. if they had done the climb this year, he might have taken around 2 minutes on nozal, but he'd still have a 1 minute deficit in the overall ranking, enough for nozal to still run away with victory in the end, even with the upcoming climb-time-trial.
since his move to us postal, roberto is basically over the hill, he lacks that extra bit that took him all the way to madrid in his kelme years. it's sad to see a rider with his qualities totally sacrifice himself for a teammate in july and eliminating his own chances to win the vuelta in the process.
He chose money instead of winning, he was promised to be US postal leader in Vuelta, however I'm sure he understood his possibilities would be really small since he and the rest of the team had to burn themselves for Armstrong first... but he might have thought he's good enough to win Vuelta on his own.... big mistake, now pay for it

Maajken
Sep 27th, 2003, 07:46 AM
It could still be interesting today, although 2 minutes is a lot to make up in a 12km time trial. good luck isidro :D


19th Stage results:

1º 69 SIMEONI, Filippo ITA DVE 3:51:18
2º 121 MÖLLER, Klaus DEN MIL m.t.
3º 64 MARTIN PERDIGUERO, Miguel ESP DVE a 16
4º 38 MORENI, Cristian ITA ALS a 16
5º 169 ZBERG, Beat SUI RAB a 16


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 65:13:30
2º 11 HERAS, Roberto ESP USP a 1:55
3º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 3:03


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 151
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 135
3º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 132


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 194
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 112
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 101


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 11
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 15
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20

propi
Sep 27th, 2003, 11:07 AM
It could still be interesting today, although 2 minutes is a lot to make up in a 12km time trial. good luck isidro :D


19th Stage results:

1º 69 SIMEONI, Filippo ITA DVE 3:51:18
2º 121 MÖLLER, Klaus DEN MIL m.t.
3º 64 MARTIN PERDIGUERO, Miguel ESP DVE a 16
4º 38 MORENI, Cristian ITA ALS a 16
5º 169 ZBERG, Beat SUI RAB a 16


Overall ranking:
1º 26 NOZAL, Isidro ESP ONE 65:13:30
2º 11 HERAS, Roberto ESP USP a 1:55
3º 21 GLEZ. GALDEANO, Igor ESP ONE a 3:03


Points Classification:
1º 201 ZABEL, Erik GER TEL 151
2º 6 PETACCHI, Alessandro ITA FAS 135
3º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 132


Mountain Jersey
1º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 194
2º 86 OSA, Aitor ESP BAN 112
3º 127 HORRACH, Joan ESP MIL 101


Allround
1º 98 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 11
2º 102 CARDENAS, Felix COL L2C 15
3º 167 RASMUSSEN, Michael DEN RAB 20
I really can't understand to people who is in charge of Vuelta, a crono that's only 11 kms??? well even if it's on mountain that's nothing.... so no many time is expected to be lost ... :rolleyes:
Does everyone know about ONCE team boss?? apparently he's been "fired" from la Vuelta....

Maajken
Sep 27th, 2003, 11:17 AM
yeah saiz had to leave the race cause he obstructed a motorcycle yesterday..

propi
Sep 27th, 2003, 11:23 AM
yeah saiz had to leave the race cause he obstructed a motorcycle yesterday..
They show the images, because on the motorcycle there's a camera from public TV and he was a real asshole, I never liked him (I'm sooo possitive, I don't like Heras, and so many more :lol: ) but now the feeling is bigger

Central
Sep 27th, 2003, 03:37 PM
Huge, huuuuuuuuuuuge huge surprise :eek:

I had never thought it was going to happen. But it happened.

Congrats Roberto :worship:

Isidro, don't worry, you'll win this some year :)

Central
Sep 27th, 2003, 03:52 PM
He had 1:55, lost 2:23...

Also Valverde surpassed Igor, so the 1º 2º 3º is Heras, Nozal, Valverde.

KV
Sep 27th, 2003, 03:57 PM
Belocki was missed in this years Vuelta. Doubt Heras would have beaten him. Though was a great Vuelta it went to the wire. Why didn't Mayo participate? Really enjoyed this years Vuelta

Central
Sep 27th, 2003, 04:07 PM
I think Beloki might have lost la Vuelta, as he was only ready for Le Tour, but who knows.

Mayo, Zubeldia, and some others riders were never going to be in La Vuelta, and performing well on Le Tour didn't not change the situation.
Perhaps, next year, we'll have a better Vuelta.

per4ever
Sep 27th, 2003, 04:54 PM
I really can't understand to people who is in charge of Vuelta, a crono that's only 11 kms??? well even if it's on mountain that's nothing.... so no many time is expected to be lost ... :rolleyes:
Does everyone know about ONCE team boss?? apparently he's been "fired" from la Vuelta....

seems like the gaps are big enough imo :p even if it's only 11 km ;)

Smart
Sep 27th, 2003, 05:42 PM
Anybody has been watching a stage of Vuelta this year?

Smart
Sep 27th, 2003, 05:44 PM
seems like the gaps are big enough imo :p even if it's only 11 km ;)
the gap is enough :)

KV
Sep 27th, 2003, 06:10 PM
I follow the Vuelta on tele. Was enough spectacle some new up and coming talents like Valverde.

carot
Sep 27th, 2003, 06:32 PM
heras :woohoo: well not that i like him tbh but nozal&once = more icky ;)

Smart
Sep 27th, 2003, 06:44 PM
I follow the Vuelta on tele. Was enough spectacle some new up and coming talents like Valverde.
Just like me. Eurosport is the only way to follow Vuelta and cycling in general in Finland

KV
Sep 27th, 2003, 07:33 PM
Just like me. Eurosport is the only way to follow Vuelta and cycling in general in Finland
Me on Belgian Television

Central
Sep 27th, 2003, 07:37 PM
In Spain the coverage is big enough ;), three-three and a half hours each day :bowdown:

Maajken
Sep 27th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Perhaps, next year, we'll have a better Vuelta.
i think we had a great vuelta, it doesnt get much better than this. o honestly enjoyed watching this one more than the tour and giro this year...a couple of new young riders surfacing, a great battle for the overal victory and exciting races every day :worship:

isidro really deserved this one, i cant imagine how heart-broken he must be, especially after wearing the yellow jersey for almost 3 weeks :sad:

propi
Sep 27th, 2003, 11:50 PM
seems like the gaps are big enough imo :p even if it's only 11 km ;)
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propi
Sep 27th, 2003, 11:53 PM
I hate Heras winning, but oh well at least Valverde got podium that makes me happy enough... Nozal was really empty of forces, his last km was a nightmare to see... I feel deeply sorry since he's been the best in the three weeks :(
Heras celebrate it today and tomorrow because after that your boss Armstrong wants you to be ready to work for him :devil: