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lakeway11
Sep 10th, 2003, 01:24 PM
Barbie Dolls
'Threat To Morality'
9-10-3

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (AP) -- Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing clothes of the "Jewish" toy - already banned in the kingdom - were offensive to Islam.

The Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, as the religious police are officially known, lists the dolls on a section of its website devoted to items deemed offensive to the conservative Saudi interpretation of Islam.

"Jewish Barbie dolls, with their revealing clothes and shameful postures, accessories and tools are a symbol of decadence to the perverted West. Let us beware of her dangers and be careful," said a poster on the site.

The poster, plastered with pictures of Barbie in short dresses and tight pants, and with a few of her accessories, reads: "A strange request. A little girl asks her mother: Mother, I want jeans, a low-cut shirt, and a swimsuit like Barbie."

Such posters are distributed to schools and hung in the streets by the religious police, or muttawa, an independent body affiliated with the office of the Prime Minister.

Vice police officials were not available for comment yesterday.

Sheik Abdulla al-Merdas, a preacher in a Riyadh mosque, said the muttawa take their anti-Barbie campaign to the shops, confiscating dolls from sellers and imposing a fine.

Although illegal, Barbies, the creation of California-based Mattel Inc., are found on the black market, where a contraband doll could cost 100 riyals ($42) or more.

"It is no problem that little girls play with dolls. But these dolls should not have the developed body of a woman, and wear revealing clothes," al-Merdas said.

"These revealing clothes will be imprinted in their minds and they will refuse to wear the clothes we are used to as Muslims," the sheik said.

Women in Saudi Arabia must cover themselves from head to toe with a black cloak in public. They are not allowed to drive and cannot go out in public unaccompanied by a male family member.

Other items listed as violations on the site included Valentine's Day gifts, perfume bottles in the shape of women's bodies, clothing with logos that include a cross, and decorative copies of religious items - offensive because they could be damaged and thus insult Islam.

An exhibition of all the violating items is found in the holy city of Medina, and mobile tours visit schools and other public areas in the kingdom.

The muttawa act as a monitoring and punishing agency, propagating conservative Islamic beliefs according to the teachings of the puritan Wahhabi sect, adhered to in the kingdom since the 18th century, and enforcing strict moral code.

The muttawa patrol the streets of the kingdom, preventing men from mingling with women, enforcing strict Islamic dress for women, chasing worshippers late for prayers, and punishing shopkeepers who stay open during prayer hours. They sometimes work with a police officer who can enforce legal punishments on people deemed violators.

Copyright 2003 News Limited.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7223162%255E1702,00.html

Josh
Sep 10th, 2003, 01:41 PM
Sheik Al-Merdas :lol: :haha:

Colin B
Sep 10th, 2003, 03:34 PM
There's a hole in the market then - Burkha Barbie!!

Bacardi
Sep 10th, 2003, 06:41 PM
Quick who wants to lend me some moeny and go into a partner ship.... If we can get lots of black material and make the doll covered from head to toe... we might just have a major market seller over there. But hell, aren't kids worldwide the same, the strip the dolls down after about an hour of playing with them to check out what's under the clothes. :p

King Aaron
Sep 10th, 2003, 06:55 PM
ha! lol...too late bacardi. a jewish toymaker out of california is already selling those in the middle east and let me tell you they're going like hotcakes. they come with three changes of robes, veils and sandals and even have an accompanying tea set with plastic falafel sandwiches to play pretend. btw...they've just come out with her partner (abdul) and instead of a corvette they have a camel. the last time i was in the middle east i bought the whole playset. i'm loving it! :)
You serious Bri?

King Aaron
Sep 10th, 2003, 07:05 PM
as serious as a truckload of new sheqalim, my friend. :)
Got ya. :)

Bacardi
Sep 10th, 2003, 07:33 PM
ha! lol...too late bacardi. a jewish toymaker out of california is already selling those in the middle east and let me tell you they're going like hotcakes. they come with three changes of robes, veils and sandals and even have an accompanying tea set with plastic falafel sandwiches to play pretend. btw...they've just come out with her partner (abdul) and instead of a corvette they have a camel. the last time i was in the middle east i bought the whole playset. i'm loving it! :)

drat!!!!!!! I have one good idea all day, and now I hear some jewish toy maker beat me to it. :fiery: :mad:

decemberlove
Sep 10th, 2003, 08:28 PM
:lol:

oh lakeway, your articles away give me a good laugh :)

"It is no problem that little girls play with dolls. But these dolls should not have the developed body of a woman, and wear revealing clothes," al-Merdas said.

"These revealing clothes will be imprinted in their minds and they will refuse to wear the clothes we are used to as Muslims," the sheik said.

Women in Saudi Arabia must cover themselves from head to toe with a black cloak in public. They are not allowed to drive and cannot go out in public unaccompanied by a male family member.

typical pussy men afraid women might get tired of being pushed around and revolt. god forbid a woman have rights.

lakeway11
Sep 10th, 2003, 09:51 PM
dlove, as good a laugh as looking at these dolls? :D

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0213/csmimg/0213p17b.jpg

*JR*
Sep 11th, 2003, 01:06 AM
Hey Lake, your beloved Ayn Rand (excuse me, "Miss Rand") was almost as puritanical as the mullahs, though she was an atheist. In fact she even tried to arrange marraiges among her flock (and doubtless sometimes succeeded). In fact, I've been told by Objectivists (excuse me, "Students of Objectivism") that Nathaniel Branden refusing to dump Barbara on her orders got him not only booted as her designated successor, but his very name banned from publication and mention. (Ironically, precisely how the Stalin she rightfully despised purged all memory of heretics in her native Russia, though @ least he was only figuratively made a "non-person")! :eek:

Bacardi
Sep 11th, 2003, 01:44 AM
dlove, as good a laugh as looking at these dolls? :D

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0213/csmimg/0213p17b.jpg

On no, those dolls would be stoned! Look at that, they aren't covering their faces.... and more importantly they are not being photographed in black which is the only color they are allowed to go out in. Somebody better hide those Barbies, and quick! :eek:

decemberlove
Sep 11th, 2003, 01:46 AM
dlove, as good a laugh as looking at these dolls? :D

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0213/csmimg/0213p17b.jpg


the fuck? lmao!

lakeway11
Sep 11th, 2003, 03:00 AM
dammit, i just wrote a long reply to JR about his strange interpretation of Objectivist history and i got logged off here...oh well

what I can rewrite is to tell dlove/barcardi i'll be sure to remember to send some of those lovely "Barbie's" there way for Christmas :kiss:

and before all this new Barbie controversy arose in the media, years back Objevtivists were very critical of the egalitarian Barbie movement b/c the pc/feminist crowd thought Barbie was far too beautiful, sexy, and unrealistic for girls and thus a 'Barbied-down" line had to be made to account for 'realism' in girls...blah, Ayn Rand would support the 'sexiest' Barbie Mattel had to offer...omg, can you imagine what a 'proletarian' Barbie would look like ugghhhhh :o ...yes, Barbie is like a work of art in that it gives girls a sense of what ought and should be ;)

decemberlove
Sep 11th, 2003, 03:05 AM
*gasps

lakeway, howd you know i collect barbies? lol

lakeway11
Sep 11th, 2003, 03:19 AM
*gasps

lakeway, howd you know i collect barbies? lol


:o i stole Santa's list a while back when I was a renegade

http://www.holiday-clipart.com/_pics/christmas/santa/santa9.gif

lakeway11
Sep 11th, 2003, 03:22 AM
i just wish they made a Marri Barbie doll :hearts:

decemberlove
Sep 11th, 2003, 03:48 AM
:o i stole Santa's list a while back when I was a renegade

http://www.holiday-clipart.com/_pics/christmas/santa/santa9.gif

lol, i find it hard to believe you were EVER a renegade... even in a past life :p

*JR*
Sep 11th, 2003, 02:37 PM
Lake, the very word "Objectivism" tells a truly objective person all they really need to know about Ayn Rand: that she rigorouusly defined what was the "objective truth" on any given topic, even something as properly Subjective as taste in art and music. So this implaccable foe of tyrants was simply one without a military. In fact the famous person who best exemplifies her smug arrogance today is probably Rush Limbaugh (though he's not an atheist). Rush sees NO contradiction between pretending to urge independent thought and having his parrots, I mean followers, calling themselves "dittoheads" in that if Rush says it, just accept it as the indisputable truth. And even if Rand was right for whatever reason in "disendorsing" Branden, isn't it ironic that this emigree from Soviet Russia emulated Stalin in having Branden's very name "banned". So except for the detail that Stalin had "heretics" killed, where's the difference? :rolleyes: (For anyone who wants to bother exploring the arcane cult following that grew up around the late novelist, I recommend the the site of the "disowned intellectual heir" who still accords her IMO far more respect than he should: http://www.nathanielbranden.net)

lakeway11
Sep 12th, 2003, 01:12 PM
lol, i find it hard to believe you were EVER a renegade... even in a past life :p

maybe that is b/c you don't know about my youth hockey days :) ...i believe i led all my peers in misconducts and getting thrown out of games; maybe more a headcase than a renegade but the renegade went away and the headcase remained ;)

Rothes
Sep 12th, 2003, 02:26 PM
Barbies...hhmmm I was never allowed them, evil dolls they are :mad: :angel: Though I was more infatuated with the Liebling Collection of Dolls that actually dressed formally and proudly, rather then wearing a pink tank top showing of trinagle breasts and having lips bigger then my labium.

Did anyone here the research that your child is likley to become more attentive and prone to hyperactivity if they have a Barbie Doll, but they learn more about basic Child responsibility and maturity with a Baby Born or a simple rag doll, It was Cabridge University I think :)