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alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:42 PM
We all know the stat by now- the only player to have won each Major at least 4 times. Given the Williams' sisters recent injuries, who among today's crop of players do you think might go on to have such a great career like Graf?

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:43 PM
michaela k;)

Joana
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:51 PM
We better believe irma, look at her faves' careers. She could be into some sort of magic! ;)

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:11 PM
I think that Serena can probably do it....īcause she has already won all four and is only 21: 2x wimbies and 2x opens already and 1 oz and 1 french. So she doesnīt have that much to go and if she plays long enough can do it for sure.....the most troublesome will be the French.

AjdeNate!
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:17 PM
I honestly don't see any one player winning all four Slams four times like Steffi did. That is the most amazing feat, to me, that Steffi ever accomplished.

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:18 PM
she needs to stay fit. serena would not play tournaments in the condition as steffi in wim 91 and 93 by example :o (wich is smart probably)

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:19 PM
I think that Serena can probably do it....īcause she has already won all four and is only 21: 2x wimbies and 2x opens already and 1 oz and 1 french. So she doesnīt have that much to go and if she plays long enough can do it for sure.....the most troublesome will be the French.

I'd like to think so, but sometimes I get the feeling from Serena's press conferences that she doesn't plan on playing tennis when she's 30. I'd like to see it happen- but she is still early in her career, and already pursuing acting more than any other champion before her. I'd like to see her actually win the Grand Slam- all 4 majors in 1 year, and enter the conversation of greatest of all time. She's not there yet- but she has all the tools...

mishar
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:21 PM
There are no more Gunther Parches to make it happen again.

AjdeNate!
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:21 PM
I'd like to think so, but sometimes I get the feeling from Serena's press conferences that she doesn't plan on playing tennis when she's 30. I'd like to see it happen- but she is still early in her career, and already pursuing acting more than any other champion before her. I'd like to see her actually win the Grand Slam- all 4 majors in 1 year, and enter the conversation of greatest of all time. She's not there yet- but she has all the tools...
She can, but it's all about longevity - which in this sport is very tough to capture.

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:29 PM
She can, but it's all about longevity - which in this sport is very tough to capture.

Although Steffi said the same kind of things early on in her career when they asked her if she planned on staying around as long as Martina/Chris, so it's all hypothetical. It'll be VERY interesting to see just who Serena ends up passing the torch to...

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:31 PM
I'd like to think so, but sometimes I get the feeling from Serena's press conferences that she doesn't plan on playing tennis when she's 30. I'd like to see it happen- but she is still early in her career, and already pursuing acting more than any other champion before her. I'd like to see her actually win the Grand Slam- all 4 majors in 1 year, and enter the conversation of greatest of all time. She's not there yet- but she has all the tools...

Yeah, itīs basically up to her! I think Serena is one of the few players whom you can say that her career will depend mostly on herself and what she wants to achieve.

An example: At the ī01 open she said that stayed at the same level too long and that it was time to move to the next level. The next level being: top three and then no.1. She did it within SIX months and without even playing the Oz open! Damn!! In style: two tier Iīs and two slams will do that for you.

So if Serena really wants to set that record, no doubt she will.

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:31 PM
but steffi retired way earlier then nav and evert anyway

5 and 8 years

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:32 PM
my favourite serena quote at the start of 2002: "it's ridiculous that I didn't win a slam since 2,5 years"

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:34 PM
it takes incredible talent to make such a comment and then win the next 4:)

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:34 PM
but steffi retired way earlier then nav and evert anyway

5 and 8 years

Actually, Steffi was on the tour for nearly 17 years- one year less than Evert (1971), and Navratilova- she's gone the Billie Jean King route- retired, reactivated, retired, reactivated for doubles, then mixed, and she's still playing at 46, nearly 30 years and counting- whew! :eek:

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:36 PM
it takes incredible talent to make such a comment and then win the next 4:)

No kidding! Serena tought it was time that she won another slam and wins four in a row and 5 of the next 6! Damn!! Itīs all mental with this girl...if she wants it, there wonīt be any stopping her.

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:37 PM
yeah steffi became pro at a sick age(yeah I am serious 13 year old girls belong in school not in an adult world.)

justine&coria
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:51 PM
I'm sorry bandabou, but I don't think Serena doesn't want to do that !
However, Steffy did that record in many, many years, and the competition wasn't that high at that time.
I don't think someone will make this once again. Serena, for sure is the most likely to do it.
But, there are very great players that can challenge her, which wasn't really the case at Steffy's time. For example, those who are the most likely to prevent her from doing that are : Justine on clay (i do not mean, Justine can't on the other surfaces, but i'm just saying the most likely), Venus and Clijsters on every surface, Mauresmo.
If Serena can win 4 RG, then she'll break the recorcd. But it's almost impossible to happen.

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:14 PM
Steffy did that record in many, many years, and the competition wasn't that high at that time.

I have to take exception here: Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert, Gabriela Sabatini, Monica Seles, Martina Hingis, and at last the Williams Sisters- I'd say that Steffi had it pretty rough compared to a few other champions' careers.

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:15 PM
I'm sorry bandabou, but I don't think Serena doesn't want to do that !
However, Steffy did that record in many, many years, and the competition wasn't that high at that time.
I don't think someone will make this once again. Serena, for sure is the most likely to do it.
But, there are very great players that can challenge her, which wasn't really the case at Steffy's time. For example, those who are the most likely to prevent her from doing that are : Justine on clay (i do not mean, Justine can't on the other surfaces, but i'm just saying the most likely), Venus and Clijsters on every surface, Mauresmo.
If Serena can win 4 RG, then she'll break the recorcd. But it's almost impossible to happen.

she doesnīt have a long way to go: she has them already balanced. Iīm almost sure that she will win at least two wimbies and us opens.... the oz is pretty fast too, so Iīm sure she can win three more of them. Thatīs why Iīm saying that clay will be the most difficult....simply because Justineīs far and away the best clay player and serena really ainīt. Still I think that she can win three more RGīs in her career. We will see how it pans out.

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:21 PM
to break margaret court's record she has a long way to go;)

4,5 years at least;)

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:25 PM
to break margaret court's record she has a long way to go;)

4,5 years at least;)

She would have to have 4 more years where she wins 3 of the 4 majors in the same calendar year, and then a Grand Slam (all 4) in order to catch Margaret. I don't see it happening- look how often she's injured with such a limited playing schedule as it is.

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:26 PM
to break margaret court's record she has a long way to go;)

4,5 years at least;)

Girl, you sure ask much of your favs! But you ainīt that bad in chosing them though! Three no.1īs, 28 GSīs....not bad!

Iīm on my way: 3 no.1īs, 15 GSīs.
No seriously that Court record will stand for a long time...itīs almost impossible to break.

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:26 PM
yeah as said she would not have played wimbledon 91 or 93 if she had been in steffi's shoes (I name these two since steffi won while being serious injured)

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:28 PM
She would have to have 4 more years where she wins 3 of the 4 majors in the same calendar year, and then a Grand Slam (all 4) in order to catch Margaret. I don't see it happening- look how often she's injured with such a limited playing schedule as it is.

Yep, it would be difficult...but for all her injuries she still only has missed two slams since 2000.

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:31 PM
yeah as said she would not have played wimbledon 91 or 93 if she had been in steffi's shoes (I name these two since steffi won while being serious injured)

One year while in Wales getting set to play a tournament (top seed), Margaret Court got violently ill with a flu, and was in bed with a fever. I believe it was Dan Maskell who visited her sickbed, begging her to pull out of the tournament. She went ahead and played, and in her first round match lost the first set badly, but rallied and fought through to win. Afterwards, she was asked why she didn't just retire and get herself healthy. Her response was classic: "I can't do that. I never learned to do that". WHAT A COMPETITOR!!!

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:36 PM
steffi wrote about the same thing in her column for wellfit last month that when she played amanda c in australia 97 she said nothing could stop her to play but she admitted, it was dumb looking back now :o

alfajeffster
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:47 PM
steffi wrote about the same thing in her column for wellfit last month that when she played amanda c in australia 97 she said nothing could stop her to play but she admitted, it was dumb looking back now :o

Her losses to Amanda in 97 were hard to take- I prefer to watch the Indian Wells final they played- Steffi DESTROYED Amanda Coetzer, who was playing very well at the time.

bandabou
Aug 26th, 2003, 09:51 PM
some very couragious moves...but they all could have hampered both playersīs careers.

tennisjam
Aug 27th, 2003, 12:50 PM
:rolleyes:

you guys seem to be real fanatics or lunatics or the both... ;)

get real at last...