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Gowza
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:10 AM
i know she is a very promising young player who has made a bit of an impact this year but maria isn't seeded and neither is ruano pascual and they aren't american either. why were they put on such a big court for the first round? i know there are a few of factors that could be the reason:

1) sharapova is the most promising youngster
2) sharapova is being used to fill seats with her 'sex appeal' (although she's a bit young for most people)
3) sharapova trained in america.

i don't treally think they are good enough reasons to bump her ahead of the top players. players like dokic, sugiyama, maleeva, dementieva (who has been playing great tennis), bovina, pistolesi, myskina (#7 seed is on court 7 while a non-seeded match is on armstrong).

i'm a fan of sharapova but i believe that the wta are trying to make her a star too early. the AER is in place for a reason but if you ask me that's only part of the problem, the main problem is the wta (and whoever creates the schedule of play) put them in the spoptlight to early. it's fine if they win through to the 4th round or quarters or something and are put on a big court but i don't like them being put on big courts when they don't have to be. obviouosly i know it can help in the future for experience but the wta have a double-standard here imo.

~RedRose~
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:16 AM
But also notice that on the 3 "Name" Courts .... there are 5 women's matches & 9 Mens. I don't know how Alexandra got on Grandstand whilst Myskina was dumped on court 7??!!??

CamilleVidann
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:22 AM
The U.S. Open has been disrespectful to non-American veteran players ignoring the contribution they have made to the sport.

Malin
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:25 AM
But Maria will bring a lot more people into the stadium that someone like Maleeva probably wouldn't. Tennis is all about money, it's a business so it should be.

LeonHart
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:26 AM
Ashley H was also put on Armstrong and she nor Douchevina was a seed.

Gowza
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:28 AM
yeah but ashley is american so it's understandable.

CamilleVidann
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:29 AM
But Maleeva plays much more entertaining tennis than Shrapova who has no finess playing all power and that infamous grunting.
Leon Hart, Ashley is American. That's a big deal.

ptkten
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:30 AM
Ashley was actually on Grandstand, but still I think it's good that they are putting players such as Sharapova and Harkleroad on show courts. The USTA is trying to promote future stars so that when the Williams sisters, Davenport, and Capriati retire, they have other people to promote. Sharapova and Harkleroad have both shown that they have appeal and pretty good fan support so they are going to put them on a show court when putting Myskina or Maleeva on them really does nothing, especially when they probably are not going to win the title either nor are they going to put people in the seats.

CamilleVidann
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:32 AM
Women's tennis is pre much all about appearances ehy? Having a cute face is enough to make it to a show court.

CamilleVidann
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:33 AM
With the exception of the Williams Sistaz

Messenger
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:35 AM
I'm sure she'll get a seed sooner or later, but until then she shouldn't be playing in this court unless she faces a top seed herself or progresses far in the tournament. The same goes for all the other players around her rank.

It's fair that way.

Gowza
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:35 AM
they shouldn't promote future stars at the big events but then go and tell them they have a limited number of events they can play. the AER is not only about health of a young player but it is also about exposure and there is a double-standard by having the AER and then promoting the youngsters.

Malin
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:37 AM
Women's tennis is pre much all about appearances ehy? Having a cute face is enough to make it to a show court.

Hey sex sells!!!!!! :drool: :bowdown: :woohoo: :lick: :clap2:

CamilleVidann
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:40 AM
Hey sex sells!!!!!! :drool: :bowdown: :woohoo: :lick: :clap2:

It's all about making money = selling tickets = selling sex.

auntie janie
Aug 26th, 2003, 11:36 AM
I knew Maria would be placed on a showcourt, but it doesn't look right that she is placed on the 2nd-biggest court for a first-round match at this point in her career. I don't believe it's good for such a young and, let's face it, fairly unproven player to get this type of star treatment before she has earned it. It engenders resentment in the higher-ranked players who are being snubbed, and likely, a growing sense of entitlement in the player.

Liek Gowza, I like Maria so far, and I think she will be a great player. But getting star treatment before it is earned on the court does no one any good in the long run. No need to name examples here, but we have seen where this can lead, and it is not necessarily to the winner's podium.

switz
Aug 26th, 2003, 11:56 AM
come on people, ultimately it is about how many bums they think they can get in seats. sharapova may be young and unseeded, but the fact is that she is probably about ten times better known than myskina and many other top players to the average tennis spectator (and that's being conservative).

you also shouldn't downplay the fact that she is up against last year's winner of the doubles in ruano-pascual (aus open quarter-finalist this year as well). i'm not a big fan of maria or anything, but personally i would much rather watch this match than myskina v nagyova (bc nagyova is an 80% chance of retiring), dementieva is playing someone i have never heard of, sugiyama is playing a clay-courter with little game. only maleeva/asagoue may be a better match, but still not in terms of spectator appeal.

i don't view it as a big deal. promoting the future of women's tennis is a valid point as well IMO. although i think ruano-pascual has a big chance to win.

whiteplains
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:18 PM
What are you guys fussing about...u know sex sells...this is how they use to treat Anna and generated much resentment of her in the locker room...because you give people star treatment when they have done nothing to deserve it...its not Myskina's and any other top players fault that the WTA is not doing a good job of promotion...Most of Maria's in you face PR has been generated by her powerhouse agents at IMG...and this is just another way for them to get the most out of their investment...I'm sure they did alot of jostling to Jim Curley yesterday to get her on a show court...

azza
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:22 PM
Americans arnt that good geesh

goldenlox
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:26 PM
It doesn't matter where they put her.
Yesterday Mike Francesa said on his show that he never heard of her. The same thing he said last open about Hantuchova.
Francesa can name almost every player in every major sport. Including hundreds of racehorses.
IMG just pounds tennis junkies over their heads with this hype.
If Francesa doesn't know her name, she's nobody outside tennis circles.
Who cares what court she's on.

ys
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:33 PM
That was pretty much out of their hands.

They could not put her on Arthur Ashe, because she is not such a big player.

On any not-named court she would interfere with other matches acoustically and there could be too many complains. And on Grandstand there could be complains from baseball players. So Armstrong, really, iss the only reasonable option.

whiteplains
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:38 PM
lol at the baseball comment...

mishar
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:46 PM
LOL at YS. Clearly there's been a lot of hype about Maria. To some extent, she deserves it. She does have that aura, more than any of the other teenage girls, it's her self-confidence, and not only her results.
Anyway, the point is, many people have heard of her (among tennis fans) and will want to see her) -- more than they would want to see Myskina Nagyova for example. So you could have an empty stadium for a Myskina match, and an overflowing court 10 for Sharapova, but what's the point of that?
Getting court assigments is not some sort of priviledge that you earn with a high seed. It's the organizers' decison of which matches are the most intriguing.
Vivi is not an easy opponent; it very well could be an interesting match.

auntie janie
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:02 PM
That was pretty much out of their hands. ... On any not-named court she would interfere with other matches acoustically and there could be too many complains. And on Grandstand there could be complains from baseball players. So Armstrong, really, iss the only reasonable option.

:lol:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:14 PM
"i don't treally think they are good enough reasons to bump her ahead of the top players. players like dokic, sugiyama, maleeva, dementieva (who has been playing great tennis), bovina, pistolesi, myskina (#7 seed is on court 7 while a non-seeded match is on armstrong)."


Sorry but none of these players ae "top players", nor would I consider them up and comers. I think most of them have peaked, and have reached as far as they will go.

Gowza
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:19 PM
so the #7 seeded isn't considered a top player?

auntie janie
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:21 PM
... Most of Maria's in you face PR has been generated by her powerhouse agents at IMG...and this is just another way for them to get the most out of their investment...I'm sure they did alot of jostling to Jim Curley yesterday to get her on a show court...

I am sure this is true; I know that Maria's agent is aggressively pushy about her & he doesn't want to wait any longer to see the $$$ rolling in. The sooner she is known to a wider public, the better income for him.

And we all know it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease!

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:22 PM
No she isn't...who has she beaten this year? Her ranking seems a bit inflated....wait bloated seems to be a better description.

Gowza
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:25 PM
um, she's ranked in the top 10 imo all top 10 players are top players. top 20 players are all top players.

Dava
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:36 PM
I think its almost sick, she has very little tennis credentials, other then being a crowd puller. I think its only going to hurt her, but then again her mental maturity is astonshing.

xin_hui
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:40 PM
i cant stand it. i cant stand the hype she's receiving. she isnt even an american and shes put on such a maincourt. :(
fine, myskina might not be a huge crowd puller, but what abt people like dokic? she has better credentials and is equally, if not prettier than sharapova. and yet, being a seeded player, shes put on a lower court than the grunting russian.
i really hope pascual takes her out

TonyP
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:44 PM
You are all forgetting the next big thing syndrome. Most people have never seen her, only heard of her, so of course she's going to get some TV air time. TV coverage is NOT based on merit, nor is much of anything in this world.

Darran
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:49 PM
I think its almost sick, she has very little tennis credentials, other then being a crowd puller. I think its only going to hurt her, but then again her mental maturity is astonshing.

Isn't that the whole point though. She is a crowd puller, hense needs a bigger stadium court to cater for the crowds.

Its like if Anna K turned up. She wouldn't deserve any decent court, but put her on court 15 or something and theres gonna be carnage down there with people trying to catch a glimpse of her.

mishar
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:56 PM
Darran is right. Why someone is a crowd-puller is besides the point. I mean, Dokic hasn't been playing so great lately; she's not even a top 16 seed; and her match against Gagliardi doesn't spring up at you as an interesting mach-up, but she's a crowd-puller, so they put her on a show court.
I don't know if Maria will be the next big thing, but as Tony P. says, that's what people are wanting to see. It's the whole phenom thing in women's tennis. People want to know who the next phenom is going to be.

Anyway, who cares what court people are on? It's the same size tennis court, the same balls.

I remember going to see Justine in 2000 at the US Open and they had put her on an outside court, first against Florencia Labat, then against Alicia Molik. The stands were half-full, but you could tell she had that aura of a champion, like steffi or monica. She didn't get anywhere near a show court until she met Kournikova on center court in the third round, but that didn't stop her from beating Anna.

raquel
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:03 PM
Someone metioned that Ashley and Maria are being groomed by the USTA/WTA as future stars and that they will get more people in a stadium than Maggie and Anastasia, but that is the WTA's own fault for not making stars and marketing the players who have actually won tournaments and been in the top 10.

Maria has a pretty face, has a good game and she will be a great player when she fully develops over the next couple of years, but today I can see Virginia Ruano Pascual beating her

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:06 PM
GO MARIA KICK HER A$$

ashley is okay but maria's game really rocks.

mishar
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:06 PM
I can see VRP beating Maria too; that's part of what makes it an interesting match and why it's on a show court.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:07 PM
Darran is right. Why someone is a crowd-puller is besides the point. I mean, Dokic hasn't been playing so great lately; she's not even a top 16 seed; and her match against Gagliardi doesn't spring up at you as an interesting mach-up, but she's a crowd-puller, so they put her on a show court.
I don't know if Maria will be the next big thing, but as Tony P. says, that's what people are wanting to see. It's the whole phenom thing in women's tennis. People want to know who the next phenom is going to be.

Anyway, who cares what court people are on? It's the same size tennis court, the same balls.

I remember going to see Justine in 2000 at the US Open and they had put her on an outside court, first against Florencia Labat, then against Alicia Molik. The stands were half-full, but you could tell she had that aura of a champion, like steffi or monica. She didn't get anywhere near a show court until she met Kournikova on center court in the third round, but that didn't stop her from beating Anna.


it probably gave the enfant terrible extra motivation to beat anna.

lizchris
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:07 PM
You fans should be lucky she is on a court that has a TV camera. She could have been put on court 10 (which doesn't have a camera).

auntie janie
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:10 PM
TV coverage is NOT based on merit, nor is much of anything in this world.

Very true. And that is what is so disturbing.