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spokenword73
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:09 AM
It's a documentary about "black people who hate themselves" and it's brutal!! They show Venus with pictures her boyfriend, throughout, along with Kobe and OJ!

Sam L
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:11 AM
It's a documentary about "black people who hate themselves" and it's brutal!! They show Venus with pictures her boyfriend, throughout, along with Kobe and OJ!
Are you serious? :eek:

AjdeNate!
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:12 AM
Where is this? I mean is is a tv show, or in the theatres?

It sounds offensive?... is it? (Pardon my ignorance)

spokenword73
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:14 AM
It's a documentary available on DVD and video. Not sure if it is available at the video stores, but it is available on amazon.com!

TonyP
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:22 AM
It sounds like trash, if this is real to begin with.

gweeny
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:22 AM
So Venus hates herself and her race because she fell in love with a caucasian.

I am black and I am so annoyed by these sellout theory; you have to marry someone from your own race. That is the most ridiculous thing. If you find love in an Italian, a Chinese person, why not explore the love. I would rather be in a happy relationship than have to be "forced' to marry a man of my own race to please other black people

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:23 AM
You mean someone was that desperate to make a buck??? :rolleyes:

gweeny
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:26 AM
I know, I thought the thread starter was kidding or being insulting. But I checked it out on amazon, and apparently a loser actually made a DVD

harloo
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:32 AM
It's probably someone who is militant trying to capitalize off the success of Venus. I think if Venus image is being used, or if her name is mentioned in this filth she should sue for defamation of character.

spokenword73
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:32 AM
The DVD is for real folks. It was filmed at California State University, Dominguez Hills, that's how I heard about. For example, the filmmaker lists the "top ten sellout cities" and L.A. comes in fourth, because "Venus Williams was born there! He says he made the film to create "dialogue" but I think he's going to piss a lot of people off!

vs1
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:32 AM
Haven't seen the DVD, but it's such crap. Does he even know Ms. Venus Williams?! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

People can make all of the assumptions they want. But if I were Venus, I'd just ignore it all and live my life and live a happy life. Cuz while this (supposed) filmmaker is struggling to make films, Venus is sure not hating on herself!!! She's probably pretty happy! :D

Lisbeth
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:25 AM
I'm not black and I'm not American ... but if anyone seriously thinks that Venus Williams, an amazing athlete and apparently all round good person, has done anything but the greatest of good for her race then they need their head read.

TeeRexx
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:29 AM
This is the crap DVD:

http://mirror.surprise.com/images/ideas_amazon/46722_01.jpg

decemberlove
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:41 AM
so theyll release this crap yet they wont release the oliver stone documentary on castro? bullshit

darrinbaker00
Aug 26th, 2003, 06:03 AM
I'm not mad at Venus for dating a white man. I'm mad at Venus for dating a white man who looks like Jared from the Subway commercials. She could do MUCH better than that..... ;)

But seriously, folks.....I have a cousin (I'm black, by the way) who married a white woman with four kids from previous marriages, and those four kids all call him "daddy," because their real dads won't have anything to do with them. The people who produced that DVD are the real sellouts.

vs1
Aug 26th, 2003, 06:09 AM
I'm not black and I'm not American ... but if anyone seriously thinks that Venus Williams, an amazing athlete and apparently all round good person, has done anything but the greatest of good for her race then they need their head read.

Totally agree!! Venus has a strong sense of herself, both as a woman and as an African American. I don't think she is bothered by people who claim that she is less than she is!!! Venus will rise above it all!!! :)

Couver
Aug 26th, 2003, 06:39 AM
Ok if that is true that's just wrong!

You love who you love no matter what race.

Knizzle
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:09 AM
I had heard of this study before, but I never knew specific names were mentioned. Especially Venus when no one knows exactly if she is dating that guy or not.

MartinaI
Aug 26th, 2003, 08:30 AM
what an absolutely stupid and offensive premise. Totally unnecessary, people should be able to love who they want and not have to justify it.

*JR*
Aug 26th, 2003, 10:48 AM
Come out of hiding, RB, and have the "Balls" to admit that you posted EXACTLY this kind of hateful rhetoric about Venus on another board! :rolleyes:

alleycat
Aug 26th, 2003, 11:33 AM
I'm not mad at Venus for dating a white man. I'm mad at Venus for dating a white man who looks like Jared from the Subway commercials. She could do MUCH better than that..... ;)

But seriously, folks.....I have a cousin (I'm black, by the way) who married a white woman with four kids from previous marriages, and those four kids all call him "daddy," because their real dads won't have anything to do with them. The people who produced that DVD are the real sellouts.

I wonder if he would have married a black woman with 4 kids.

Serendy Willick
Aug 26th, 2003, 11:37 AM
Is this idiot high? If I were Venus I would sue.

doloresc
Aug 26th, 2003, 11:39 AM
This is the crap DVD:

http://mirror.surprise.com/images/ideas_amazon/46722_01.jpg

Customer Reviews

It's About Time Someone Uncovered The Truth!, November 25, 2002
Reviewer: Ryattjr from West Hills, Ca
I purchased this film and I think it's one of the most important docummentaries of our time.

I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.

Our refusal to work together, date each other, marry each other, buy from each other, stop killing one another is much more attributable to our HATRED of OURSELVES then it is to Racism or anything that Whites have done to us.

This film is a must have for anyone who is conscious and concerned about the health well being and survival of African Americans all across the world.

I'm with the Brother,

No Sellout.

Regis

----------
Reviewer: J Perry Fecteau from http://perry.fecteau.com/cbo/

To sum up: this film is horrible. The filming is sloppy, the research is sloppy, and the only point made is that black people (sellouts) who find happiness for themselves in ways that the filmmaker does not agree with are harming other blacks who could not do the same for themselves.

i won't be purchasing this dvd any time soon. note: i married then later divorced my sell-out. does that give me brownie points? :rolleyes:

Cariaoke
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:32 PM
ok... so when will the Williamses attorney be notified of this travesty?

Chance
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:48 PM
he probably would want that-
MORE PUBLICITY = > SALES

so many fuckturds in this world!

Serendy Willick
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:55 PM
I'm not mad at Venus for dating a white man. I'm mad at Venus for dating a white man who looks like Jared from the Subway commercials. She could do MUCH better than that..... ;)

But seriously, folks.....I have a cousin (I'm black, by the way) who married a white woman with four kids from previous marriages, and those four kids all call him "daddy," because their real dads won't have anything to do with them. The people who produced that DVD are the real sellouts.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: RFLMAO

*JR*
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:57 PM
Customer Reviews

Our refusal to work together, date each other, marry each other...
To sum up: this film is horrible. The filming is sloppy, the research is sloppy, and the only point made is that black people (sellouts) who find happiness for themselves in ways that the filmmaker does not agree with are harming other blacks who could not do the same for themselves.

i won't be purchasing this dvd any time soon. note: i married then later divorced my sell-out. does that give me brownie points? :rolleyes:
Dolores, there's a sublime (though UGLY) irony here: If I generalized about black people like this reviewer (who could really be the producer's best friend, of course) did, I'd be CORRECTLY called on it. But notice how the reviewer does EXACTLY that, extrapolating some "(non)-statistic" from the personal choice of Venus (and OJ B4). And Cari, Vee's lawyer Kevin Davis couldn't touch them: as a public figure, she's fair game under US law for all manner of opinions anyone has, however repugnant.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:58 PM
I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.


Trash DVD or not the statement above is not far fetched! And I'm many adult blks. know someone like that.

*JR*
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:01 PM
I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.


Trash DVD or not the statement above is not far fetched! And I'm many adult blks. know someone like that.
DF, question: how do you know Venus "hates herself" because she fell for this guy? :confused:

Serendy Willick
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:03 PM
I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.


Trash DVD or not the statement above is not far fetched! And I'm many adult blks. know someone like that.


You know nothing pisses me off more than so called "brothas" :rolleyes: who want to judge and critizise black women for dating people of different races, whenever they themselves are probably banging blondie (or damn near close to it) at home. :mad:

irma
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:04 PM
maybe the bodyguard hates himself too since he fell for venus?

ridiculous :rolleyes:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:10 PM
You know nothing pisses me off more than so called "brothas" :rolleyes: who want to judge and critizise black women for dating people of different races, whenever they themselves are probably banging blondie (or damn near close to it) at home. :mad:


I'll make a note of that, but what does that have to do w/the quote I referenced, or my comments?

What I had to say had nothing to do w/interracial dating. I've known several people who weren't happy in thier skin. My parents have ten grandchildren, eight of them are bi-racial, all of them are beautiful.

Cariaoke
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:12 PM
JR: then how do celebs sue tabloids and win all the time? Defamation of character would be a valid reason for a civil suit.

and y'all, the first sentence in DF's post is a quote from the reviews of said DVD.

and PRA-EACH, Serendy! Ain't that the damn truth!

I love who I want and if you have a problem with it, don't look. :tape:

*JR*
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:20 PM
DF, thanks for clarifying. Cari, the celeb's win these judgements based on known falsehoods being "reported", not OPINIONS being expressed. So if one said falsely about a celeb: (X) was a member of the KKK, yes, that's actionable in court. If one expressed the opinion that (X) THINKS LIKE a member of the KKK, it's not.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:31 PM
I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.


Trash DVD or not the statement above is not far fetched! And I'm many adult blks. know someone like that.

Imo the person who made this documentary is part of the problem he himself "fights" against. Is he not attacking other black people? He is a hypocrite and anyone who thinks this way is repulsive. If he wants to support black business I say go for it I do the same but to go out and attack people because of who they marry? Please. Are white people selling out when they marry outside their race?

SJW
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:32 PM
whoa....shit is cold :eek:

TeeRexx....i dont know why YOU are calling it crap, in another thread u made it perfectly clear you had a problem with Venus dating Davide :)

Serendy Willick
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:32 PM
I'll make a note of that, but what does that have to do w/the quote I referenced, or my comments?

What I had to say had nothing to do w/interracial dating. I've known several people who weren't happy in thier skin. My parents have ten grandchildren, eight of them are bi-racial, all of them are beautiful.


That quote wasnt ment for you. I just didnt bother not to include your post. Sorry about that. That was for the idiot who made this DVD.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:43 PM
A few days ago I was watching a wedding on TLC. -- a caucasian woman and an Indian (cutie). Two ceremonies were performed--- Hindu and then Christian. The friends and family members of the couple were so happy for them -- I couldn't help sobbing. What a lovely affair! Does that mean they're uncomfortable in their skins and are sellouts??

If everyone minded their own damn business life would be so much better. :rolleyes: :p

Cariaoke
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:50 PM
Exactly, only black people are made to feel bad for dating outside of their race unless it involves a white person from a racist family. I always thought it was interesting because no one really blinks when a Jew marries a non-Jew or a white person marries an Asian. What is that all about?

and JR, I get it now but this DVD is not a parody. he is still using her name to hawk a bullshit DVD. how is this legal? then again, how is it legal for the ten commandments to be posted in courthouses? it boggles the mind.

spokenword73
Aug 26th, 2003, 01:53 PM
The filmmaker also calls drug dealers, pimps, and gangbangers sellouts, because they do harm to their race and their communities. I guess he thinks interracial dating does the same thing!
BTW, the film cover never mentions Venus, but it does have pix of Kobe, and OJ. That's why I was shocked to see Venus shown so prominently. He uses the pix of her we've all seen before, with Venus in her bathing suit, laying on her boyfriends lap and also shows her during a doubles match:)

Wenddy
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:22 PM
I don't see what's the big deal about so called Black people dating or marring so called white people. People should find happiness with whoever they wwnt. It's none of our business anyway. you know guys, the children are going to be called Black anyway. Blake is just one example,

Paneru
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:35 PM
I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.


Trash DVD or not the statement above is not far fetched! And I'm many adult blks. know someone like that.

I agree on a certain point.
I don't think "Balck America" hates themselves, but for many, they do have a social identity problem. The media is bombarded with images of what is "beauty" and it's shown as skinny, fair skin, and and long flowing hair. Many have felt that they aren't beautiful and that their is something wrong with their bodies and such. I've seen many black children from the same families comparing skin color and flaunting that one was lighter than the other and what not. When you consider what "Balck America" in general has gone through in this countries history and that coupled media landscape of body image, it's not hard to see why so many would have these types of issues.

However, the way to helping it is "NOT" belittling people or putting them down because you may see something in them that they aren't conciously aware of in themselves. You never solve anything by insulting others and imediately put them on the defensive and the conversation is over before it ever has a chance to start.

All that being said,
their are many "African Americans" like Venus who know who they are and what they stand for. Venus knows who she is and that "love" like "homosexuality"(IMO) is blind. You can not help who you are attracted to and who captures your heart. "Love" is on the most basic level, chemistry and attraction equals love(despite what form it takes).
If anything Venus is more secure in her "blackness" than these others who claim she's a "sellout", she has the courage to follow her heart despite the narrow-minded she knows will be scauffing at her relationship with a caucasian man.

To these type of people i ask what are you trying to hide?
If you are so quick to attack someone else and be vocal about it,
what are you trying to cover up or ignore? Otherwise, you wouldn't be so close-minded and ignorant.

Remember,
With this type of attitude segregation
could still be a thing of the present.
And even though it is(just in different forms),
it could be even more prevelant.

Another thing, it cracks me up when people use the Bible to stake their claim that the races should be separate. They were separated and given different tounges in the Bible because they were trying to build a tower to heaven, "The Tower of Bable". God knew that theyed only get themselves killed, not knowing of the earth and thereof it.


If anything, dating a person of different races(as well as other forms) opens up new doors to cultures that can be viewed in the midsts of it, rather than standing on the outside looking in trying to understand but never quite be invited to get a better understanding because certain people would have them shut out. We can learn more about each other and with that understanding respect each other more.

Making a gross generalization of all "Balck America" isn't fair.
We all of different races and cultures could learn and stand to learn so much more about ourselves as different cultures, but also as human beings as a global community and that all that separates us is skin color and the lack of info. or even interest in wanting to expand and understand.

disposablehero
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:54 PM
whoa....shit is cold :eek:

TeeRexx....i dont know why YOU are calling it crap, in another thread u made it perfectly clear you had a problem with Venus dating Davide :)

Any way the wind blows....

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 02:56 PM
DF, question: how do you know Venus "hates herself" because she fell for this guy? :confused:


the better question is where do you see me stating or agreeing that Venus hates herself?

Paneru
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:00 PM
the better question is where do you see me stating or agreeing that Venus hates herself?

It must have been precieved that way
since you said you agree with the comment about racism not being the problem but "Black America" hating themselves and Venus is apart of "Black America".

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:12 PM
No not percieved, but assumed! If I wanted to say Venus hates herself, I'd state that flat out.

mentos
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:14 PM
The documentary maker has as much right to his dvd, and the opinions and observations therein, as does Venus to dating whomever she desires. His dvd, however flawed in premise, is pointing out something greater, an interesting divergence that I’ve noticed based on web postings and conversation—there has been a discernable shift in the way Venus is perceived in comparison to Serena by some in Black America.

spokenword73
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:21 PM
I think I agree with mentos, but what do you mean? I was surprised Venus was in "The Sellout Diaries" because I don't think most black people know she dates a white man, and I don't think most black people consider her sellout, they way they might think of some like Clarence Thomas as a sellout

Amanda
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:25 PM
It is just a bunch of CRAP! Anyone who spends one penny on this CRAP is even more ignorant than the a-hole who made the "documentary". I'm sure it won't be a best seller.

Paneru
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:31 PM
No not percieved, but assumed! If I wanted to say Venus hates herself, I'd state that flat out.

Assumed from the perception he/she got.
People don't always interpret things the way you mean them.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:34 PM
It is just a bunch of CRAP! Anyone who spends one penny on this CRAP is even more ignorant than the a-hole who made the "documentary". I'm sure it won't be a best seller.

:worship: :worship: :worship: There are lots of black folk who would be crying racism had someone of another race put this shit out in public. :fiery:

jean_genie
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:27 PM
I had a long and bitter confrontation with the maker of this DVD on another board (Anton's) because he's delusional, racist and egomaniacal. He spouts incorrect information left and right. He also seems to be OBSESSED with Venus. I hope nobody buys that stupid documentary and that we refuse to spend another minute even thinking about him.

doloresc
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:32 PM
I agree with the Brother who hosted the film. The problem with Black America is not Racism, it's the fact that many of us hate ourselves. Black people are the worst enemy of Black people.


i agree with you, da forehand. while racism still looms, our worst enemy (in the past 30 years really) has been ourselves. we've made excuses, we've perpetuated stereotypes and we haven't always been supportive of each other privately despite giving a facade of being a united front.

this whole"sell-out" issue is interesting for me because i was married to a german man until a few years ago. he wasn't an upgrade in status for me nor was i his trophy wife of color. it just happened but the looks and attitude i got from SOME of the black community was so aggravating because in my experience, i've been more "afrocentric", white husband and all, than a lot of blacks i've known who allegedly "stay true" to the race. i often found them repeating rhetoric that they thought epitomized "blackness" as if quoting medgar evers solidified their black pride.

as a community., we are so many things even though whites don't always recognize that. it's really sad though because some blacks see us with the same limitations as whites. it's a good thing for us that richard and oracene didn't raise their daughters that way.

doloresc
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:42 PM
Dolores, there's a sublime (though UGLY) irony here: If I generalized about black people like this reviewer (who could really be the producer's best friend, of course) did, I'd be CORRECTLY called on it. But notice how the reviewer does EXACTLY that, extrapolating some "(non)-statistic" from the personal choice of Venus (and OJ B4).

jollyroger, there were only three reviews of the dvd at the amazon site. i c/p two opposing views to share with everyone. it's not anything new to be labelled "self-hating" for dating outside fo the race just as it is to this very day a convenient tactic to utilize to attack someone who's spouse/love interest isn't black.

SJW
Aug 26th, 2003, 04:59 PM
well as far as im concerned, if Venus is happy, im happy and thats the truth :)

Paneru
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:06 PM
well as far as im concerned, if Venus is happy, im happy and thats the truth :)

That's really all that matters!

Venus doesn't give a damn wheather "certain" types of people
approve or not! if anything, they need to go get a life of their
own and not worry about what she does.

Whatchalookinat! :fiery:
(Tell em' Whitney!)

doloresc
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:29 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: There are lots of black folk who would be crying racism had someone of another race put this shit out in public. :fiery:

brilliant, and so true! there's no uproar from some black people because the documentarian is black. :worship:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:29 PM
"as a community., we are so many things even though whites don't always recognize that. it's really sad though because some blacks see us with the same limitations as whites. it's a good thing for us that richard and oracene didn't raise their daughters that way."

I agree. Some blks. think you're a sellout because you speak proper English, yet when "da man" is around they're the ones bowing and scraping.

Richard and Oracene did a phenominal job in raising all of thier daughters.

Cariaoke
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:33 PM
i agree with you, da forehand. while racism still looms, our worst enemy (in the past 30 years really) has been ourselves. we've made excuses, we've perpetuated stereotypes and we haven't always been supportive of each other privately despite giving a facade of being a united front.

this whole"sell-out" issue is interesting for me because i was married to a german man until a few years ago. he wasn't an upgrade in status for me nor was i his trophy wife of color. it just happened but the looks and attitude i got from SOME of the black community was so aggravating because in my experience, i've been more "afrocentric", white husband and all, than a lot of blacks i've known who allegedly "stay true" to the race. i often found them repeating rhetoric that they thought epitomized "blackness" as if quoting medgar evers solidified their black pride.

as a community., we are so many things even though whites don't always recognize that. it's really sad though because some blacks see us with the same limitations as whites. it's a good thing for us that richard and oracene didn't raise their daughters that way.
the truth!

I believe we had a similar convo in the ask black people thread in non-tennis. :D

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:34 PM
Oh damn where can I find that thread? Is it now defunct?

SJW
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:36 PM
brilliant, and so true! there's no uproar from some black people because the documentarian is black. :worship:

or just that they agree with it :tape:

Cariaoke
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:37 PM
here ya go Brotha Forehand... :D

http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=81914

doloresc
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:42 PM
the truth!

I believe we had a similar convo in the ask black people thread in non-tennis. :D

yes, we did, cariosity, and thanks again! :wavey: :)

doloresc
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:47 PM
or just that they agree with it :tape:

that's true as well, sweets_sjw. :) on the other hand, they may actually disagree completely but think they are betraying the entire black race by criticizing the documentarian. that's even worse, in my opinion.

SJW
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:52 PM
well i have no problem saying that dvd is an offensive piece of crap and the documentarian OBVIOUSLY hasnt heard the saying "you cant help who you fall in love with" :tape:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2003, 05:56 PM
thnks only on the second page but enjoying it already.....

Cariaoke
Aug 26th, 2003, 06:10 PM
ok, I think most of us agree that this DVD is a sack of camel poo that's been sitting in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. and for him to diss Venus on top of that by insinuating that she's ashamed to be black because she's sleeping white is asinine.

Thank you.

Amanda
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:15 PM
Racism in any form is both ignorant and offensive.

mentos
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:34 PM
I think I agree with mentos, but what do you mean? I was surprised Venus was in "The Sellout Diaries" because I don't think most black people know she dates a white man, and I don't think most black people consider her sellout, they way they might think of some like Clarence Thomas as a sellout
robrich, for lack of a better comparison (I’ve read it before on this board, so it’s nothing new), Serena has a touch of Ali in her. At times defiant and charismatic, at times playful and whimsical, but always appearing proudly pro-self. Looks-wise, she is the embodiment what a good segment of the male portion of the “community” finds attractive in a mate, and similarly, what a good segment of the female portion, sees (physically) in themselves. Moreover, her appeal extends to the disenfranchised of the marginal masses—that’s right, the ghettoest of tennis-disinterested ghetto folk adore Serena (There have been posts on this very board, and another that will remain nameless, stating that she was “too” ghetto.). Venus garnered this support for quite a few years, but it seems that in recent times she’s become a Tigre Woods of sorts—Negro neutral—which is a convenient and acceptable mainstream marketing tool. However, over time, this might/can eat away at the non-mainstream fan base.

There are lots of black folk who would be crying racism had someone of another race put this shit out in public.
Inifiniti2001, it is without doubt racism.
Racism and reverse-racism are equally odious, but they’ll continue to thrive, albeit covert in many instances.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:41 PM
This whole "ghetto" thing cracks me up. Is george bush our ghetto president?

mentos
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:48 PM
This whole "ghetto" thing cracks me up. Is george bush our ghetto president?
No cybelle, his daddy was the “ghetto” one…vomiting in the Japanese PM’s vicinity…but junior is in need of a Ritalin shot (with his ADHD self)– all over the map, literally…

moon
Aug 27th, 2003, 04:00 AM
mentos, How can you compare Venus to Tiger in regards to race relations? Has Venus declared herself Cablanasian? Has she denied her blackness in anyway? I think you're way off with that "Neutral Negro" terminology. It may apply to Tiger, but not to Venus. Did you happen to catch them when they were on Oprah?If you did, I don't see how you can make that comment.

Knizzle
Aug 27th, 2003, 04:11 AM
Venus may not be what people think of as a typical black person, but that's because she grew up partially in the white tennis society. She is not whitewashed though by no means. She is proud of her blackness and it shows. Did anyone notice when Serena was thanking people in the friends box after this year's Wimbledon final and Venus cut in and said "Isha, Lyndrea, Yetunde, haaaaaaay!! LOL!! As a black person, it's easy for me to spot a real sellout, and it never crossed my mind concerning Venus. If you want to see some real sellouts direct your attention to the NBA.

Dawn Marie
Aug 27th, 2003, 04:33 AM
Mentos, girl your words appear ignorant and it is obvious that you are full of it. Here's five bucks now go buy yourself a clue, and no it aint the "Mrs. Scarlett" with the candlestick in the ballroom" kinda of clue that I'm talkin about.

Now about this DVD. It is stupid. People can LOVE who they wish, no matter what the race. This guy is a hypocrite. He is calling people sell-outs but it is this DVD and his premise that is a sell-out to the African American community. Biased dumbass.


Who is he to judge black folks and who they wish to love? Who is he to judge people who love different nationalitites and different ethnic backgorunds that are different then our own?

Venus does alot for her community for people of all color. She is no Condaleza Rice.


People crack me up talking about Venus but have no idea what she is really like. Damn didn't people watch Oprah?

decemberlove
Aug 27th, 2003, 05:19 AM
I'll make a note of that, but what does that have to do w/the quote I referenced, or my comments?

What I had to say had nothing to do w/interracial dating. I've known several people who weren't happy in thier skin. My parents have ten grandchildren, eight of them are bi-racial, all of them are beautiful.

did the thought ever occur to you that it had nothing to do with being happy in their own skin? perhaps they arent as shallow as you and look past the color of skin. not everybody is so close-minded.

Lisbeth
Aug 27th, 2003, 05:34 AM
Exactly, only black people are made to feel bad for dating outside of their race unless it involves a white person from a racist family. I always thought it was interesting because no one really blinks when a Jew marries a non-Jew or a white person marries an Asian. What is that all about?

and JR, I get it now but this DVD is not a parody. he is still using her name to hawk a bullshit DVD. how is this legal? then again, how is it legal for the ten commandments to be posted in courthouses? it boggles the mind.

Well, the rabbis don't like it much, and often the Jewish/Asian families don't either! However, you're right that white people who object to interracial marriage are called racists - because, frankly, they are racist! I guess some minority groups feel threatened by the prospect of assimilation or something, but it seems a little narrow minded to me. After all, what better way to teach white children tolerance than a much-loved aunty or uncle or whatever of a different background.

Lisbeth
Aug 27th, 2003, 05:37 AM
The filmmaker also calls drug dealers, pimps, and gangbangers sellouts, because they do harm to their race and their communities. I guess he thinks interracial dating does the same thing!
BTW, the film cover never mentions Venus, but it does have pix of Kobe, and OJ. That's why I was shocked to see Venus shown so prominently. He uses the pix of her we've all seen before, with Venus in her bathing suit, laying on her boyfriends lap and also shows her during a doubles match:)

Well, it's definitely offensive to lump Venus in with Kobe and OJ!

Hot 92 Jamz
Aug 27th, 2003, 06:05 AM
I did some research on the filmmaker, Theron K. Cal, and his only known credit is for this 1997 movie:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305120013.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Stunts
Gary Baxley .... stunts
Claudette James .... stunts
Anthony Kramme .... stunts
Julius LeFlore .... stunt coordinator
Julius LeFlore .... stunts
Tonya Salvant .... stunt double: Brandy
Lavern Whitt .... stunts
*
Other crew
Aaliyah .... singer: "One in a Million"
Wendy Cyresse Allen .... production assistant
Newton Bass .... location manager: second unit
Faye Bernard .... extras casting assistant
Peter Block (III) .... music supervisor
Peter A. Block .... music supervisor
Michael C. Blundell .... gaffer
Olivette Brown .... additional office production assistant
Jacqueline Butryn .... location manager
Theron K. Cal .... office production assistant

http://images.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_image_191131211

doloresc
Aug 27th, 2003, 12:14 PM
Venus garnered this support for quite a few years, but it seems that in recent times she’s become a Tigre Woods of sorts—Negro neutral—which is a convenient and acceptable mainstream marketing tool. However, over time, this might/can eat away at the non-mainstream fan base.

mentos, is this your opinion? or are you quoting someone or an article?

SJW
Aug 27th, 2003, 01:15 PM
Did anyone notice when Serena was thanking people in the friends box after this year's Wimbledon final and Venus cut in and said "Isha, Lyndrea, Yetunde, haaaaaaay!!

LMAO! and the way she said "Jovon....Jovon Savage!" :lol:

shes such a nutter

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2003, 01:19 PM
I did some research on the filmmaker, Theron K. Cal, and his only known credit is for this 1997 movie:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305120013.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://images.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_image_191131211

Ah so this is why he has the dvd out . The few bucks he made from this trashy movie ran out :rolleyes: :eek: :tape:

Cariaoke
Aug 27th, 2003, 01:21 PM
^^ ROFLMAO!

Serena was trying to be reserved but Venus let it all hang out.

"Jovan Savage, hellloooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

She sounded like she was smokin' that good la la la. :tape:

SJW
Aug 27th, 2003, 01:23 PM
mmmmmhmmmmmmm girlfrien' be showin' us she all ghetto an' stuff ;)

Cariaoke
Aug 27th, 2003, 01:25 PM
and you know this!

three words:

SERENA'S MTV DIARY

Venus is CRAZY. :lol: :hearts:

mentos
Sep 5th, 2003, 06:14 PM
mentos, How can you compare Venus to Tiger in regards to race relations? Has Venus declared herself Cablanasian? Has she denied her blackness in anyway? I think you're way off with that "Neutral Negro" terminology. It may apply to Tiger, but not to Venus. Did you happen to catch them when they were on Oprah?If you did, I don't see how you can make that comment.
..was on vacation, so I'm not digging up an old controversy for the sake of cyber fighting, but I will address your comment. I never wrote anything about Venus having declared herself Cablanasian, nor did I accuse her of denying her Blackness--let's not be facetious. The intent of my post was to state the perception-reality issue that exists among some in the community.
Yes, I did catch them on Oprah. I was proud of both sisters, as usual.
I'm not about to defend how I feel :fiery: about Venus and Serena to any poster on this board. Moreover, I'm pointing out that which we are often times reluctant to address.

mentos
Sep 5th, 2003, 06:23 PM
Mentos, girl your words appear ignorant and it is obvious that you are full of it. Here's five bucks now go buy yourself a clue, and no it aint the "Mrs. Scarlett" with the candlestick in the ballroom" kinda of clue that I'm talkin about.

Now about this DVD. It is stupid. People can LOVE who they wish, no matter what the race. This guy is a hypocrite. He is calling people sell-outs but it is this DVD and his premise that is a sell-out to the African American community. Biased dumbass.


Who is he to judge black folks and who they wish to love? Who is he to judge people who love different nationalitites and different ethnic backgorunds that are different then our own?

Venus does alot for her community for people of all color. She is no Condaleza Rice.


People crack me up talking about Venus but have no idea what she is really like. Damn didn't people watch Oprah?
Dawn Marie, you take things way too personal. I have nada to defend, not even to you. Like I've already stated, Venus is someone of whom I'm exceedingly proud.
So, I'll be ignorant...you just continue being you... :rolleyes: ...a cure is coming soon. :wavey:

mentos
Sep 5th, 2003, 06:52 PM
mentos, is this your opinion? or are you quoting someone or an article?
doloresc, personal opinion, no...I visit other internet sites besides wtaworld.com. perhaps there is a discomfort level among posters when it comes to discussing this topic, and without generalizing, I will tell you that that sentiment does exist. some posters, on this site even, steer clear of it, as not to "disappoint" internet buddies. I've heard it on radio, once expressed, jokingly or not so jokingly, by an axed nyc hip hop radio morning drive dj/talkshow host--Starr, himself biracial. there was also a discussion, though sugarcoated, on Tom Joyner's show that was mentioned by another poster a while back. and yes, i've read, read it many times that I decided to banish myself from the rhetoric on several sites. my post is a synopsis of these comments/opinions that aren't limited to Venus, but other Black athletes, entertainers and actors who are often labelled for their choices in mates.