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lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:22 PM
Without a Williams, No. 1 Clijsters has best shot at first major

By HOWARD FENDRICH
.c The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) - The sounds bounced loudly off the thousands of empty blue seats as workers armed with drills and hammers put the finishing touches on Arthur Ashe Stadium, 24 hours before the start of the U.S. Open.

On the court below, Kim Clijsters wasn't fazed a bit.

The No. 1-ranked player in women's tennis swapped sizzling practice strokes with Jelena Dokic, smacking one on-the-mark shot after another. Clijsters found time to smile, too, breaking the monotony by kicking a ball at the end of an exchange or spinning around to try to hit a shot with her back to the net.

Clijsters never does seem to get rattled - until the latter stages of a major tournament, that is. Now, with nary a Williams around, the Belgian has a perfect opportunity to add a Grand Slam title to her otherwise sterling resume.

``Especially now with Venus and Serena pulling out, I think a lot of players are definitely believing more in their chances, are even extra motivated,'' Clijsters said.

Replacing Serena Williams at No. 1, Clijsters added Sunday, ``has definitely drawn more attention to me. But personally, those things are not going to change the way I prepare, the way I feel, the way I look toward my tennis matches.''

Serena and Venus Williams, who split the past four Open championships, are out with injuries. So is 1991-92 winner Monica Seles. And several other potential contenders are here but hurting, including 1998 Open champion Lindsay Davenport and Amelie Mauresmo, a semifinalist last year.

Along with Clijsters, the two strongest candidates for a first U.S. Open victory are probably No. 2-seeded Justine Henin-Hardenne and No. 6 Jennifer Capriati.

Capriati won a hard-court tuneup tournament Saturday in New Haven, Conn., for her first title since January 2002. But Capriati's opponents in the semifinal (Mauresmo) and final (Davenport) quit with ailments.

``It's very tough. The season is very long,'' French Open champion Henin-Hardenne said. ``Everybody's getting tired a little bit right now. Injuries can come.''

Clijsters was dogged by right shoulder problems last season, but she's remained remarkably healthy in 2003, playing more than twice as many events as either Williams sister and reaching the semifinals at 14 of 15 tournaments.

``If you have good preparation, I don't think you should be getting injured,'' said Svetlana Kuznetsova, who's seeded 27th in singles and plays doubles with Martina Navratilova. ``For example, Kim surprises me. She plays so many matches, and she's OK.''

She's never won a major, but Clijsters does take a 68-10 record and six titles (tied with Henin-Hardenne for the tour lead) into her opening match Monday night against Amber Liu, who won the 2003 NCAA singles championship for Stanford.

Clijsters' boyfriend, former No. 1 Lleyton Hewitt, will follow her into Arthur Ashe Stadium on Monday and face Victor Hanescu. Hewitt (the 2001 champion) and Andre Agassi (1994, 1999) are the only men entered who have won the U.S. Open.

No. 1 Agassi and No. 4 Andy Roddick have Monday off, while those scheduled to play include Davenport, Mauresmo and French Open champion Juan Carlos Ferrero.

A lot of attention, though, will be focused on someone without a racket: Pete Sampras. He hasn't played a match since beating Agassi in last year's final at the National Tennis Center and is formally announcing his retirement Monday evening.

``It's not a big shock for all of us, because he hasn't been playing,'' said No. 2 Roger Federer, trying to become the first man to win Wimbledon and the U.S. Open in the same year since Sampras in 1995. ``Still, it's a pity that he's leaving.''

No one dominates men's tennis now the way Sampras did when he was finishing No. 1 in the rankings a record six straight years in the 1990s.

Each of the past seven majors has been won by a different man, the second-longest streak in the Open era. More strikingly, this could be the third straight year that the eight finalist spots at Grand Slams were filled by eight men.

Now the women will see what it's like at a wide open tournament after five all-Williams finals at the past six Grand Slams.

``Women's tennis is not only about Venus and Serena,'' said Henin-Hardenne, never past the fourth round at Flushing Meadows. ``You have other players behind them. It's very important to accept that.''

Still, as 52nd-ranked Ashley Harkleroad said about Team Williams: ``I don't know if anybody will be able to create a buzz like they create. I'm sure it's going to be missed a lot.''

08/24/03 17:36 EDT

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press.


It is obvious to anyone with average intelligence that tennis is more than Venus and Serena. But I find it interesting that Justine considers herself (and the other players) behind Venus and Serena, especially Venus since she is ranked lower than Justine at the moment.

auntie janie
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:31 PM
Thanks for the article, lizchris. :)

Justine is a realist. She knows her accomplishments so far do not approach either Venus' or Serena's, no matter what the current rankings show.

lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:34 PM
Thanks for the article, lizchris. :)

Justine is a realist. She knows her accomplishments so far do not approach either Venus' or Serena's, no matter what the current rankings show.

You're welcome Janie and you are right. I know I am going to catch hell from Justine fans, but you would think that she would be able to keep her mouth shut about the sisters when they are injured and can't play, but she just can't seem to do that (even Jennifer hasn't said anything that can be considered negative about the sisters since Venus withdrew on Friday).

gweeny
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:35 PM
Either the media is trying to portray Justine has arrogant, or she really is getting over-confident after a grand slam win.

Didn't Jen Capriati start talking smack after she won a grandslam?

Good luck Kim

shap_half
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:40 PM
Either the media is trying to portray Justine has arrogant, or she really is getting over-confident after a grand slam win.

Didn't Jen Capriati start talking smack after she won a grandslam?

Good luck Kim

what?!?!?!
how is saying that there is more to tennis than just Venus and Serena arrogant?!?! I mean look at the response to Venus's pulling out of the US Open. Someone people said that they won't watch or that they'll boycott or that there is no reason to watch because they aren't going to be playing in the Open.

And Justine even says that her level of tennis is behind Serena and Venus. She knows where her place is and she knows what she needs to do, I don't understand how people can interpret that as arrogance

auntie janie
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:43 PM
I really don't get how Justine's comment can be construed as negative toward Venus or Serena. All she said is that there are others in the game as well; probably in response to a question about whether the US Open will be interesting without the Williams sisters. But I guess people see what they are looking for, whether it's there or not.

I like Justine! And I like Serena. I like Venus. So I have trouble understanding why every statement issued by any one of them is regarded on this board as fraught with hostility toward the other "side".

lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Either the media is trying to portray Justine has arrogant, or she really is getting over-confident after a grand slam win.

Didn't Jen Capriati start talking smack after she won a grandslam?

Good luck Kim

After Jennifer won her first Grand Slam, this is what she said about facing Venus in the final of the Ericsson (now Nasdaq-100) Open:

Venus isn't the queen of tennis; she's beatable, you know
She lost to Venus in the championship and has yet to beat her.

She also has made nasty comments about Serena, Monica and Lindsay and has losing records against all of them since she won her first major.

Justine may find herself in the same boat if she doesn't learn how to use finess when talking to the press.

mexicotrip
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:46 PM
I think she ment behind the sisters in popularity :rolleyes:

Expect the best clay-courter on the tour to say it like it is.

Mr. Man
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:47 PM
``Women's tennis is not only about Venus and Serena,'' said Henin-Hardenne, never past the fourth round at Flushing Meadows. ``You have other players behind them. It's very important to accept that.''
DUH.

auntie janie
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:51 PM
After Jennifer won her first Grand Slam, this is what she said about facing Venus in the final of the Ericsson (now Nasdaq-100) Open:

Venus isn't the queen of tennis; she's beatable, you know
She lost to Venus in the championship and has yet to beat her.

She also has made nasty comments about Serena, Monica and Lindsay and has losing records against all of them since she won her first major.

Justine may find herself in the same boat if she doesn't learn how to use finess when talking to the press.

Oh big deal :rolleyes:

lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:51 PM
I liked Justine until this year semifnal at the French Open. It didn't bother me that she beat Serena becasue Serena was up 4-2, 30-0 and all she had to do was to get two additonal points and she would have been up 5-2, but when she made that hand gesture and didn't inform the umpire and then her coach said that if she were playing anybody else other than Serena, she would have alerted the umpire that she raised her hand, it confirmed what I believed and that she resorted to cheating to win the title. After Wimbeldon, I really have no use for her.

gweeny
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:51 PM
After Jennifer won her first Grand Slam, this is what she said about facing Venus in the final of the Ericsson (now Nasdaq-100) Open:

Venus isn't the queen of tennis; she's beatable, you know
She lost to Venus in the championship and has yet to beat her.

She also has made nasty comments about Serena, Monica and Lindsay and has losing records against all of them since she won her first major.

Justine may find herself in the same boat if she doesn't learn how to use finess when talking to the press.


It seems like once these girls win a grand slam or a couple of grandslams, they feel more confident to compare there status to Venus and Serena. (And say anything, even if it might be construed as arrogant) I would be surprised if Venus or Serena said something to denigrate the likes of Monica, Steffi, Martina N. (Since, I don't believe they have accomplished as much as them)

I hope Kim still retains her respectful ways if she wins the US open, or another slam

CC
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:53 PM
Still, as 52nd-ranked Ashley Harkleroad said about Team Williams: ``I don't know if anybody will be able to create a buzz like they create. I'm sure it's going to be missed a lot.''

lol @ Ashley :D

I thought she was going to say "they" were going to be missed, but apparently it's just their "buzz."

lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:55 PM
It seems like once these girls win a grand slam or a couple of grandslams, they feel more confident to compare there status to Venus and Serena. (And say anything, even if it might be construed as arrogant) I would be surprised if Venus or Serena said something to denigrate the likes of Monica, Steffi, Martina N. (Since, I don't believe they have accomplished as much as them)

I hope Kim still retains her respectful ways if she wins the US open, or another slam

When Oprah had them on her show the day before Thanksgiving last year, she noted that regardless of what people said about them, they have neber uttered a negative word about any other tennis player, which is almost true. The closest thing I can remember either one of them saying something negative about a player is when Martina said something about the Williams family having big mouths and Serena said something to the effect that if Martina had a formal education, she would know how to deal with people.

Mr. Man
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:57 PM
I liked Justine until this year semifnal at the French Open. It didn't bother me that she beat Serena becasue Serena was up 4-2, 30-0 and all she had to do was to get two additonal points and she would have been up 5-2, but when she made that hand gesture and didn't inform the umpire and then her coach said that if she were playing anybody else other than Serena, she would have alerted the umpire that she raised her hand, it confirmed what I believed and that she resorted to cheating to win the title. After Wimbeldon, I really have no use for her.
That comment from her coach disturbed me too. Your post is why I dislike Justine now. That's why Serena's ass kicking to Justine at Wimby was swaeet. :)

Nemesis
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Oh, the thing she said was the truth. Americans who say that they are not interested any more about the US Open are arrogant. Justine isn't ...

In a TV interview for the VRT news (Flemish national station) Justine said: "It's bad for the tournament & the players that Venus and Serena will not play, because they are the best players in the world & the level of play will be lower. But the winner of this Open will not be less strong because the Williams sister are not here, she will deserve it."

She says the truth and if you don't like it ... :tape: She's certainly not a hypocrite.

lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:05 PM
Oh, the thing she said was the truth. Americans who say that they are not interested any more about the US Open are arrogant. Justine isn't ...

In a TV interview for the VRT news (Flemish national station) Justine said: "It's bad for the tournament & the players that Venus and Serena will not play, because they are the best players in the world & the level of play will be lower. But the winner of this Open will not be less strong because the Williams sister are not here, she will deserve it."

She says the truth and if you don't like it ... :tape: She's certainly not a hypocrite.

Again, anyone with average intelligence knows that whoever wins the USO on the women's side will deserve it, but she kind of contradicted herself by saying that Venus and Serena are the best players in the world and the level of play will be lower. If Kim is the nubmer one player and she is the number three player, isn't the level of the remaining players already high?

auntie janie
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:06 PM
Nemesis, the truth can't open closed minds.

But, thanks for bringing it anyway. :kiss:

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:06 PM
just shows you how people let the Media influence them this much;) GO JUSTINE, claim your 2nd major:D

auntie janie
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:09 PM
just shows you how people let the Media influence them this much;) GO JUSTINE, claim your 2nd major:D

:kiss:

justine&coria
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:10 PM
As a "French speaker" like Justine, i don't understand it the way some of you did. English is not her mother thong, and I don't think she wanted the word "behind" to be the key-word in her sentence.
She just meant after Serena and Venus, there are other players. --> Well, in fact, I, myself, can't make a good sentence, without suggesting Serena and Venus are better players.
However, I'm sure Justine didn't want to mean Venus/ Serena are better than her.

Nemesis
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:14 PM
Justine did not contradict herself: it is not because the best player or the best 2 players are injured, that the winner of the GS doesn't deserve her win. She was just better than the rest. If 2 players can't participate, it's not the winner's fault she won the GS. That's tennis. Would Justine have won Rome if she didn't have to pull out? She was after all the QUEEN of gravel this year. Kim deserves Rome (she was the best of all the players that entered) as the US Open winner will deserve her title.

Let's take away the honour of having won Indian Wells from Daniela & Kim since the sisters don't play there :rolleyes:

Joana
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:14 PM
She could have said anything, I'm sure some people would have found something wrong with it, it got to that point.
Go Justine!!! :kiss:

tenn_ace
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:19 PM
more accomplished players missed GSs before, retired (do I have to name them?) and tennis is till here, still popular...

well said Justine and good luck at the US Open! :kiss:

tenn_ace
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:20 PM
Still, as 52nd-ranked Ashley Harkleroad said about Team Williams: ``I don't know if anybody will be able to create a buzz like they create. I'm sure it's going to be missed a lot.''

lol @ Ashley :D

I thought she was going to say "they" were going to be missed, but apparently it's just their "buzz."

lol

lizchris
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:21 PM
She could have said anything, I'm sure some people would have found something wrong with it, it got to that point.
Go Justine!!! :kiss:

She could have said anything else. Remember, she was the one who said that the power players (namely Venus and Serena) are afraid to play her and that they can't get over the fact that she is slim and can still play with them. And if memroy serves me correctly, she offered that peice of info to the media; the media wasn't coming afer her.

Lady
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:24 PM
Justine never said that other players afraigd of playin her... Only some posters on this board create this phraze... Justine didn't say that

Nemesis
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:24 PM
She could have said anything, I'm sure some people would have found something wrong with it, it got to that point.
Go Justine!!! :kiss:
So true. If Justine's would be kissing Venus and Serena's asses and say "My best friends :devil: are so unfortunate. I am very sad that they cannot play here. If I win, I'll give my title to Serena", then she'd be called a hypocrite. If she said: "I'm way better than Venus and as good as Serena, so I dont know why people say the field has weakened a lot", she'd be called über-arrogant. Now she states true facts & general feelings and it's not good again?

Justine Henin-Hardenne used the word "behind" in stead of "after" or "next to". OOOHHHH ... Start WWIII. It's like Gavrilo Princip killing the Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand or Adolf Hitler & Joseph Stalin attacking Polland. Go and bomb Marloie!!! :lol:

*JR*
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:29 PM
I like Justine! And I like Serena. I like Venus. So I have trouble understanding why every statement issued by any one of them is regarded on this board as fraught with hostility toward the other "side".
As usual, Janie, you're a breath of fresh air here. In fact, YOU are really more pro-Williams in a way than their "pigmentation fans" because you accept them as the superb competitors in this sport that they've been the last few years. Those others see them as some kind of "avenging angels" and need to live their own lives, just like the W/S haters who see them as a threat to (????????) ;)

harloo
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:42 PM
Damn, will this little girl every shut her mouth up about the Williams? I mean cmon! :rolleyes:

Anyone in their right mind knows that women's tennis will continue on without the Williams presence. However, we know their presence generates buzz and attention in ANY tournament. The same can be said about Kournikova even though she has not won a tournament.

Face it, Justine has no STAR Appeal. She is boring, uninteresting, and has no class. She can do all the wishful thinking she wants, but her personality is as flat as the ground she walks on.lol

yukon145
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:45 PM
Can you back up those "nasty comments" with quotes by Capriati?

Joana
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:46 PM
Damn, will this little girl every shut her mouth up about the Williams? I mean cmon! :rolleyes:



Did you consider that she was probably asked that question???

treufreund
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:50 PM
harloo she has tons of star appeal. OOH that backhand is the BOMB!!! And her "allez"!!! Why is it an insult to suggest that while the Williams are still a level ahead that people should accept and embrace all players and celebrate tennis as opposed to CONSTANTLY talking about how the tournament will suck without the Williams. As if that were not offensive to the other fine players. Justine said something very nice but you all go and take her words out of context!

Lady
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:54 PM
Kim said the same about Venus?Serena absense...
That there's still a lot of good players in the draw...
Why nobody paid attention to this??

Astro Jetson
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:58 PM
:rolleyes: @ this thread.
:rolleyes: @ harloo: the withdrawal of V & S is probably the most asked question for players at the moment!

From www.usopen.org

Q. Without the Williams sisters here, Lindsay injured, do you feel that this is a great chance for you to do something here?
JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: You know, I feel that a lot of players have a lot of possibilities here at the US Open. I have to say that it's really bad for the tournament and for all the players because we want this tournament to be even. I'm sure it's gonna be. I hope we have a high level of tennis.
But it's bad that Serena and Venus had to withdraw. But it's like this.

Hulet
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:04 AM
Justine is right, but unfortunately for me, womens tennis is about venus and serena. Oh well, go roddick go.

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:12 AM
I liked Justine until this year semifnal at the French Open. It didn't bother me that she beat Serena becasue Serena was up 4-2, 30-0 and all she had to do was to get two additonal points and she would have been up 5-2, but when she made that hand gesture and didn't inform the umpire and then her coach said that if she were playing anybody else other than Serena, she would have alerted the umpire that she raised her hand, it confirmed what I believed and that she resorted to cheating to win the title. After Wimbeldon, I really have no use for her.
And she has NO use for you either. LOL! :lol:

shap_half
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:59 AM
I liked Justine until this year semifnal at the French Open. It didn't bother me that she beat Serena becasue Serena was up 4-2, 30-0 and all she had to do was to get two additonal points and she would have been up 5-2, but when she made that hand gesture and didn't inform the umpire and then her coach said that if she were playing anybody else other than Serena, she would have alerted the umpire that she raised her hand, it confirmed what I believed and that she resorted to cheating to win the title. After Wimbeldon, I really have no use for her.

let then let me play my violin for you...

people need to stop reading in between the lines and trying to find something to hate on

GogoGirl
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:07 AM
I was hoping for Venus - but alas - she couldn't pull it off. I hope she is right when saying that she'll be back in the fall. Meanwhile - may the best survivor wins.





Justine's coach's comment below.


http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?storyid=85649&sectionid=1264

Justine time for a new champion

By PAUL MALONE

August 24, 2003

FRENCH Open champion Justine Henin-Hardenne is considering the adage "you don't know what you've got until it's gone" after having her wish about all-Williams grand slam finals granted.


The withdrawal of the injured Serena and Venus Williams, winners of the past four US Open titles and contestants in five of the past six grand slam finals, has opened up a sea of opportunity for female players when the Flushing Meadows fortnight starts tomorrow morning.

Henin-Hardenne said prior to her Paris breakthrough in June that "it's not good to see two sisters in a [grand slam] final" and Frenchwoman Amelie Mauresmo, a serial under-achiever at the majors, predicted last year that "people are going to get bored" by all-Williams finals.

"It's not so good for tennis. It's not a grand slam without the Williams sisters, it doesn't have the same atmosphere," Henin-Hardenne's coach Carlos Rodriguez said yesterday.

Alicia Molik begins the Australian challenge when she meets Croatian qualifier Jelena Kostanic, ranked No. 75, in the first round of the main draw.

Australia's No. 1 will then face a possible second round match against Conchita Martinez. Melbourne-based Nicole Pratt starts against American Jill Craybas.

tennischick
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:09 AM
Justine makes no sense IMO. this statement would make more sense if she had made it when S & V were actually playing. as it is they are not, so Justine's words can only be interpreted as attention-seeking babble.

the girl is so hungry and determined to become #1...

shap_half
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:13 AM
Justine makes no sense IMO. this statement would make more sense if she had made it when S & V were actually playing. as it is they are not, so Justine's words can only be interpreted as attention-seeking babble.

the girl is so hungry and determined to become #1...

do you even know what the question was that illicited the response?

starr
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:13 AM
The haters are out in full force. :)

Infiniti2001
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:14 AM
Go Kim!!!

auntie janie
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:15 AM
The haters are out in full force. :)

And yet it's SO MUCH ado about SO MUCH nothing!! :lol:

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:24 AM
Can you back up those "nasty comments" with quotes by Capriati?

Please note: some of the comments were paraphrased


July 2001 on Serena's comments about being sick after losing to Capriati at Wimbeldon:

"I expect this from her. She has an excuse for losing to me every time we play. I know the truth inside and most people do too"
She hasn't beat Serena since
(In Jennifer's defense, all Serena had to do was win two more points becasue she was up 6-4, 5-3, 30-15 in the match, sick or not)


August 2001 on Monica's grunting after losing the semifinal they played at the Acura Classic:

"The loud grunting was unnecssary. It was as if she were doing it on purpose"
I don't know if theyn have playe since then, but Monica denied it and Lindsay and Venus showed her no sympathy when they were asked about Monica's grunting

October 2001 racting to Lindsay's comments after she reached number one (Lindsay said that the true number one (Venus) wasn't even playing at the moment)

"I find it odd that someone who hasn't even won a Grand Slam in almost two years can comment about who is the true number one"
Until Saturday, she was unable to beat Lindsay, including at the tournament where Lindsay made those comments.

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:29 AM
let then let me play my violin for you...

people need to stop reading in between the lines and trying to find something to hate on

There is nothing to find. She is so loose with the lips like Capriati you don't have to find; she gives it to you.

Fingon
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:34 AM
She could have said anything, I'm sure some people would have found something wrong with it, it got to that point.
Go Justine!!! :kiss:


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

alleycat
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:39 AM
Justine is so jealous and envious of Venus and Serena that it is really a shame. Venus and Serena is not even thinking about her why don't she keep her mouth shut about them. Cheater.

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:39 AM
Please note: some of the comments were paraphrased


July 2001 on Serena's comments about being sick after losing to Capriati at Wimbeldon:

"I expect this from her. She has an excuse for losing to me every time we play. I know the truth inside and most people do too"
She hasn't beat Serena since
(In Jennifer's defense, all Serena had to do was win two more points becasue she was up 6-4, 5-3, 30-15 in the match, sick or not)


August 2001 on Monica's grunting after losing the semifinal they played at the Acura Classic:

"The loud grunting was unnecssary. It was as if she were doing it on purpose"
I don't know if theyn have playe since then, but Monica denied it and Lindsay and Venus showed her no sympathy when they were asked about Monica's grunting

October 2001 racting to Lindsay's comments after she reached number one (Lindsay said that the true number one (Venus) wasn't even playing at the moment)

"I find it odd that someone who hasn't even won a Grand Slam in almost two years can comment about who is the true number one"
Until Saturday, she was unable to beat Lindsay, including at the tournament where Lindsay made those comments.
Why do you care what Jennifer said in the past. Now if she said right now, maybe I might see the point, but about what she said to Serena, Monica LAST YEAR? :lol: Get a life!

I don't think Serena, Monica et al, even remembers those comments. lol

auntie janie
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:44 AM
Well said, Sam L! :D

shap_half
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:44 AM
Justine is so jealous and envious of Venus and Serena that it is really a shame. Venus and Serena is not even thinking about her why don't she keep her mouth shut about them. Cheater.
you're such a fucking idiot! People ask her you know! She doesn't even like talking to journalist but they ask her and she answer

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 01:54 AM
Why do you care what Jennifer said in the past. Now if she said right now, maybe I might see the point, but about what she said to Serena, Monica LAST YEAR? :lol: Get a life!

I don't think Serena, Monica et al, even remembers those comments. lol

Someone asked me what nasty comments Jennifer made about other players. These were the ones I came up with. If you don't like it, you have two choices, read it and move on or don't come to this post at all. You act as if someone has a fucking gun pointed to your head and forced you to read oand/r respond to this post. There are about 72 pages worth of posts in General Messages and I don't read or repsoned to most of them. Why? Becasue I have enoough sense to know when I read the title of a post that the subject is positive or negative.

You are the one who needs to get a life becasue you wast you time responding to subjects you object to.

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 02:22 AM
Someone asked me what nasty comments Jennifer made about other players. These were the ones I came up with. If you don't like it, you have two choices, read it and move on or don't come to this post at all. You act as if someone has a fucking gun pointed to your head and forced you to read oand/r respond to this post. There are about 72 pages worth of posts in General Messages and I don't read or repsoned to most of them. Why? Becasue I have enoough sense to know when I read the title of a post that the subject is positive or negative.

You are the one who needs to get a life becasue you wast you time responding to subjects you object to.
Yeah well, I read this thread cause I wanted to read the article (which you didn't write, and you just happened to post). Instead, I was forced to also read your BS desperate attempts to make certain players look bad by bringing up what they said from 2 years ago. YOU need to get a life. Tell me have you got those quotes saved on your hard disk? Read them every night before you go to bed? :lol:

Ted of Teds Tennis
Aug 25th, 2003, 02:28 AM
Justine et Coria écrivaient:
As a "French speaker" like Justine, i don't understand it the way some of you did. English is not her mother thong, and I don't think she wanted the word "behind" to be the key-word in her sentence.
She just meant after Serena and Venus, there are other players. --> Well, in fact, I, myself, can't make a good sentence, without suggesting Serena and Venus are better players.
However, I'm sure Justine didn't want to mean Venus/ Serena are better than her.

I was going to ask a question about this, but thankfully you already answered it.

It could be worse, though. Imagine if she had said something like, "There's tennis beyond Venus and Serena." I can only imagine how the Cult of Williams would argue that Justine was trying to say there's tennis better than the Williamses.

Maybe Justine should have spoken in Russian, and used the word "za", which can translate to either "behind" or "beyond". Then everybody here could have an even bigger field day with her comments. :D

skanky~skanketta
Aug 25th, 2003, 02:44 AM
what she says is true though.

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 02:48 AM
Yeah well, I read this thread cause I wanted to read the article (which you didn't write, and you just happened to post). Instead, I was forced to also read your BS desperate attempts to make certain players look bad by bringing up what they said from 2 years ago. YOU need to get a life. Tell me have you got those quotes saved on your hard disk? Read them every night before you go to bed? :lol:

So you read an article that I posted and instead of just going on to something else, you decided to read my posts that you refer to as BS and then respond by posting what I consider to be BS? But I am the one who needs to get a life, OK.

The only thing I have saved on my hard drive are the pictures of you licking Justine's ass and I really have to get rid of them becasue I am suposed to clean my hard drive every day. :lol: :lol:

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 02:59 AM
So you read an article that I posted and instead of just going on to something else, you decided to read my posts that you refer to as BS and then respond by posting what I consider to be BS? But I am the one who needs to get a life, OK.

The only thing I have saved on my hard drive are the pictures of you licking Justine's ass and I really have to get rid of them becasue I am suposed to clean my hard drive every day. :lol: :lol:
Eww, whatever gets you off I suppose.

Also who said I read that post I quote of yours. I glanced over it and I knew what you were going to say because, oh you know, it's been done like 20 times before, and it's 2 YEARS OLD! lol Get new material. Please!

Messenger
Aug 25th, 2003, 02:59 AM
Can't we ban all Henin and Williams fans from this board? Go away, this has been going on long enough.

BigTennisFan
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:00 AM
Well, I'm a big WS fan. However I am willing to give J2H the benefit of the doubt since English is not her first language. Lord knows that I would hate to be interviewed in French or Spanish. I'd probably wind up insulting everyone who speaks those languages without meaning to.

Those of us who speak English as our primary language often don't have ANY idea how complicated it is.

Homonyms? Phew.

And just think how the meaning of a sentence can change depending on which word you emphasize.

Examples:

I don't think I like Justine.

I don't think I like Justine.

I don't think I like Justine.

I don't think I like Justine.

:( :angel:

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Eww, whatever gets you off I suppose.

Also who said I read that post I quote of yours. I glanced over it and I knew what you were going to say because, oh you know, it's been done like 20 times before, and it's 2 YEARS OLD! lol Get new material. Please!

Apparently you don't get it; I was being sarcastic! :rolleyes: Why would I waste my time downloading garbage like that?

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:19 AM
Apparently you don't get it; I was being sarcastic! :rolleyes: Why would I waste my time downloading garbage like that?
Pity you for thinking that I was taking you seriously. Or this conversation for that matter. Which is why it's ending right now.

But before I go, just a word advice, stay away from Jennifer Capriati interviews from 2 years ago, I'm sure you can find better things to do. :angel:

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:24 AM
Pity you for thinking that I was taking you seriously. Or this conversation for that matter. Which is why it's ending right now.

But before I go, just a word advice, stay away from Jennifer Capriati interviews from 2 years ago, I'm sure you can find better things to do. :angel:

I'll do you one better; I'll stay away from her if I ever see her in person for the obvious reason.

SJW
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:27 AM
``Women's tennis is not only about Venus and Serena,''

and the award for stating the obvious goes to.....

i know some tennis fans are extremely dumb, but Justine doesnt need to give us lessons on who tennis is and isnt about :)

skanky~skanketta
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:33 AM
girl!what are you doing awake!!??!?!

SJW
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:35 AM
what makes ME laugh is:

1) Henin fans dont see why anybody dislikes her
2) people need to stop reading in between the lines and trying to find something to hate on is from somebody who in the past, has made it very clear he hates the Williams
3) "what she says is the truth though" seems like this person doesnt know that its not so much if its the truth or not, its the fact you say it....she needs to learn some things are better left unsaid

if Henin was out of a slam...actually say she or Kim was out of Antwerp, and Venus was asked by the Belgian media what she thought of this.....if she said "tennis is more than just Kim or Justine you know!" there would be an uproar :haha: no, i wouldnt EXPECT Venus to sink to that level, or even Serena for that matter.

theres an art to speaking to the media.....and Justine obviously hasnt learnt it yet :)

treufreund
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:47 AM
so she should learn the art of SUGAR COATING and LYING. You know what she is an awesome player, Grand Slam champion and soon to be #2 in the world. why aren't you concerned about how degrading and disrespectful it is to all of the players that the reporters act as if the tournament is dead without the Williams?? Do you know how damn hard they work just to play well? Only to have to face these rude and disrespectful questions which only perpetuate the idea that the other players are not "marketable". Honestly Just put yourself in the position of being a top player who has busted her tail so hard that she cried only to be asked these asinine questions. Justine said NICE THINGS about the Williams but all she said was that there is more to tennis beyond them. Stop ignoring the nice things she said. And stop pretending that you don't understand how she has to feel. At least she does not sugar coat like other players do. I think respectfully HONEST answers are just fine. Otherwise why bother interviewing? :rolleyes:

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:57 AM
so she should learn the art of SUGAR COATING and LYING. You know what she is an awesome player, Grand Slam champion and soon to be #2 in the world. why aren't you concerned about how degrading and disrespectful it is to all of the players that the reporters act as if the tournament is dead without the Williams?? Do you know how damn hard they work just to play well? Only to have to face these rude and disrespectful questions which only perpetuate the idea that the other players are not "marketable". Honestly Just put yourself in the position of being a top player who has busted her tail so hard that she cried only to be asked these asinine questions. Justine said NICE THINGS about the Williams but all she said was that there is more to tennis beyond them. Stop ignoring the nice things she said. And stop pretending that you don't understand how she has to feel. At least she does not sugar coat like other players do. I think respectfully HONEST answers are just fine. Otherwise why bother interviewing? :rolleyes:

Serena and Venus have won multiple Grnd Slams, work just as hard as the other players and have been ranked number one. When they have been asked about the Belgians when they were 1 and 2 and Kim and Justine were 3 and 4, save one exception, they have had nothing but nice things to say about Kim and Justine.

Believe me, if Kim were to miss next year's AO and she is ranked nubmer oen, the media would ask a lot of questions about her, not just becasue she is number one, but because she dates Llyeton Hewitt and I bet you the Williams sisters would answer the questions without having anything negative to say.

SJW
Aug 25th, 2003, 03:57 AM
so she should learn the art of SUGAR COATING and LYING. You know what she is an awesome player, Grand Slam champion and soon to be #2 in the world. why aren't you concerned about how degrading and disrespectful it is to all of the players that the reporters act as if the tournament is dead without the Williams?? Do you know how damn hard they work just to play well? Only to have to face these rude and disrespectful questions which only perpetuate the idea that the other players are not "marketable". Honestly Just put yourself in the position of being a top player who has busted her tail so hard that she cried only to be asked these asinine questions. Justine said NICE THINGS about the Williams but all she said was that there is more to tennis beyond them. Stop ignoring the nice things she said. And stop pretending that you don't understand how she has to feel. At least she does not sugar coat like other players do. I think respectfully HONEST answers are just fine. Otherwise why bother interviewing? :rolleyes:

u think honest answers are fine? so when Serena says she didnt play her best, that doesnt bother you? THINK before you post. think about if it was another player, would you say the same thing. there is obvious double standards in your post.

and plus you think Justine is the only one who has to deal with disrespectful questions from the media? so when they kept bringing up Jennifers past in Jens interviews, thats nothing?

Justine when asked about the Williams said their finals were boring and not good for the sport.....Williams when asked about Justine said shes a tennis artiste and a great player, future #1 for sure etc. like i said, there is an art to talking to the media and she hasnt quite mastered it

SJW
Aug 25th, 2003, 04:00 AM
Serena and Venus have won multiple Grnd Slams, work just as hard as the other players and have been ranked number one. When they have been asked about the Belgians when they were 1 and 2 and Kim and Justine were 3 and 4, save one exception, they have had nothing but nice things to say about Kim and Justine.

Believe me, if Kim were to miss next year's AO and she is ranked nubmer oen, the media would ask a lot of questions about her, not just becasue she is number one, but because she dates Llyeton Hewitt and I bet you the Williams sisters would answer the questions without having anything negative to say.

right, like i said, no matter how arrogant they seem to some people, they wouldnt say "tennis is more than just Kim you know". thats the difference between the top 8 or so excluding Justine, and Justine herself

Fingon
Aug 25th, 2003, 04:23 AM
Justine is so jealous and envious of Venus and Serena that it is really a shame. Venus and Serena is not even thinking about her why don't she keep her mouth shut about them. Cheater.

alleycat is so jealous and envious of Justine that it is really a shame. Justine is not even thinking about him/her/it why don't he/she/it keep his/her/its mouth shut about her. Asshole

Rollo
Aug 25th, 2003, 05:12 AM
I have a different take of Henin. In some ways she reminds me of Hana Mandlikova, ranked either 2 or 3 most of her life but determined to needle the top guns,whoever they are-notice the recent Clijsters episode.

So I think she DOES harbor a bit of nastiness. And I say THANK GOD FOR JUSTINE:) Women's tennis needs more controversy. It needs a solid contender/pretender. The fact that Williams fans resent Henin speaks volumes about where they think the main threat is coming from. Should Henin win the US Open there will be little question as to who Serena's main competition will be in 2004.

In the long haul Henin may be too inconsistent (like Hana) to dominate like Serena did. But she's tough enough to upset the apple cart like she did at the French.

So while I 'll be cheering for JCaps, a Henin win won't bother me at all if it means a heated rivalry between Justien and Serena.

hollywood7172
Aug 25th, 2003, 05:55 AM
Venus isn't the queen of tennis; she's beatable, you know

how in the HELL is this talking shit or being unrespectful??? capriati said this after OZ2001, when hingis beat venus with a score of something like 61 61. how is that statement profound or rude? true, cappy has never beaten venus, but that doesn't invalidate her quote.

liz, you need to get out into the real world a bit more. if you think what cappy said there is rude, you're in for a BIG surprise when you finally grow up one day sweetie. :wavey: :kiss:

irma
Aug 25th, 2003, 08:03 AM
cappy grew up with an italian father, maybe she meant something different when she said that about venus. maybe her father learnt her english the wrong way :o

sorry I don't know what I am saying

fleemke³
Aug 25th, 2003, 08:34 AM
:yawn: :rolleyes: don't see anything wrong with that quote ... just show us some great tennis Justine :kiss:

SJW
Aug 25th, 2003, 09:12 AM
cappy grew up with an italian father, maybe she meant something different when she said that about venus. maybe her father learnt her english the wrong way :o

sorry I don't know what I am saying

LMFAO!!!!! :worship: you go baby ;)

and Rollo.....i beg to differ. most people resent Alex Stevenson, i guess thats because shes a big threat also :tape: maybe they resent Justine because Justine isnt the most respectful of players in general

The Crow
Aug 25th, 2003, 09:47 AM
Oh yeah, a witchhunt, can I join? :rolleyes:

I saw this interview (or a similar) one of Justine in French, and it made a lot of sense. Saying that it's a pity that Serena and Venus aren't playing, bacause you want to play against the best. But that this doesn't mean that whoever wins the US Open that they wouldn't deserve it, that the US Open title suddenly loses some of its merit, because Serena and Venus aren't playing.

I don't see what could be wrong with this :confused:

Brαm
Aug 25th, 2003, 10:10 AM
English is not her mother thong

ROTF!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!! :lol::lol:

:haha::haha::haha:

anton
Aug 25th, 2003, 10:12 AM
good luck kim and justine!!!

but venus come back soon and serena too!!!

Slumpsova
Aug 25th, 2003, 10:46 AM
"Women's tennis is not only about Venus and Serena,'' said Henin-Hardenne, never past the fourth round at Flushing Meadows. "You have other players behind them. It's very important to accept that.''

i always tried to be optimistic about what Justine have said but this time her words really annoyed me. i dont know why she said things like that all the time :o

seems like she wants to a bitch!!!

alleycat
Aug 25th, 2003, 11:37 AM
so she should learn the art of SUGAR COATING and LYING. You know what she is an awesome player, Grand Slam champion and soon to be #2 in the world. why aren't you concerned about how degrading and disrespectful it is to all of the players that the reporters act as if the tournament is dead without the Williams?? Do you know how damn hard they work just to play well? Only to have to face these rude and disrespectful questions which only perpetuate the idea that the other players are not "marketable". Honestly Just put yourself in the position of being a top player who has busted her tail so hard that she cried only to be asked these asinine questions. Justine said NICE THINGS about the Williams but all she said was that there is more to tennis beyond them. Stop ignoring the nice things she said. And stop pretending that you don't understand how she has to feel. At least she does not sugar coat like other players do. I think respectfully HONEST answers are just fine. Otherwise why bother interviewing? :rolleyes:

She does not have to learn the art of SUGAR COATING and LYING she is an expert at it. (You ask for that one)

doloresc
Aug 25th, 2003, 11:43 AM
You're welcome Janie and you are right. I know I am going to catch hell from Justine fans, but you would think that she would be able to keep her mouth shut about the sisters when they are injured and can't play, but she just can't seem to do that (even Jennifer hasn't said anything that can be considered negative about the sisters since Venus withdrew on Friday).

lizchris, i think you're overreacting. henin-hardenne's comment -

"Women's tennis is not only about Venus and Serena,'' said Henin-Hardenne, never past the fourth round at Flushing Meadows. ``You have other players behind them. It's very important to accept that." -

seems to come out of nowhere in the ap article. what was said leading up to this? it could've been taken out of context.

alleycat
Aug 25th, 2003, 11:43 AM
alleycat is so jealous and envious of Justine that it is really a shame. Justine is not even thinking about him/her/it why don't he/she/it keep his/her/its mouth shut about her. Asshole

Why shoud I keep my mouth shut? Then you should also do the same keep your trap shut also. I would never be jealous of a person who is dishonest and does not win fare and square.

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:54 PM
Venus isn't the queen of tennis; she's beatable, you know

how in the HELL is this talking shit or being unrespectful??? capriati said this after OZ2001, when hingis beat venus with a score of something like 61 61. how is that statement profound or rude? true, cappy has never beaten venus, but that doesn't invalidate her quote.

liz, you need to get out into the real world a bit more. if you think what cappy said there is rude, you're in for a BIG surprise when you finally grow up one day sweetie. :wavey: :kiss:

It didn't need to be said.

I do go out in the real world. It's not my problem that nastly people like you and Jennifer are in it. And believe me, I am probably more grown up than you are.

Again, if you don't like what is being posted here, no one put a gun to your head to read what's in here, you could have started your own thread.

lizchris
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:59 PM
lizchris, i think you're overreacting. henin-hardenne's comment -

"Women's tennis is not only about Venus and Serena,'' said Henin-Hardenne, never past the fourth round at Flushing Meadows. ``You have other players behind them. It's very important to accept that." -

seems to come out of nowhere in the ap article. what was said leading up to this? it could've been taken out of context.

I don't think so. You would think that she would be smart enough by now to know, especially after the French Open, that the meida would try to goad her into saying something that could be construed as negative about the Williams sisters. But this just shows that as smart as she may be on the tennis court, she needs to learn how to use finesse when in an interview. Unfortunately, she will lean the hard way..