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TeeRexx
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:36 PM
No VENUS. No SERENA. But still a valid U.S. Open for the field, however, this year's winner may have a very hollow victory by winning and not only not facing either WILLIAMS, but, not even to having to have to consider facing either athlete.

Perhaps an * will be placed next to the winners name to denote "* won without worry of the WILLIAMS" on the Open trophy. :)

I am sure that the CBS execs have put an asterisk next to this year's competition and prime time telecast. :)

Diya
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:39 PM
They should have put one against a few of Steffi's GS titles as well !!:eeK:

irma
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:46 PM
and against 4 of martina's slams

irma
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:47 PM
and conchita, asv and mary p

(of course it's crap. you beat who you have to play. you can't change that)

Paneru
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:48 PM
They should, but won't.
However, all the commentators and sports columnists will.
And many already have.

irma
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:49 PM
serena should get 2 too since martina was not there

I can go on and on

TeeRexx
Aug 23rd, 2003, 07:07 PM
Don't blame me, folks.
Read the articles and you can see that asterisk already being mentally placed by the future winners name. :lol:

Joana
Aug 23rd, 2003, 07:34 PM
Steffi should have asterisks next to all her titles: either because Monica was too young, couldn't grunt or wasn't the stame after stabbing, or in one case beacuse Martina was robbed of that ONE so significant point. :p

Monica should have asterisks next to her 1992 and 1996 AO titles, because Steffi wasn't there. ;)

Jennifer should have asterisks next to RG '01 beacuse Venus and Amelie lost in 1R, and AO '02 because Lindsay and Serena weren't there.

Martina should have asterisks next to Wimbledon '97, USO '97 and AO '98 titles because Steffi wasn't there.

The list goes on...
:)

starr
Aug 23rd, 2003, 07:34 PM
Damm! All of the players ought to pull out of the women's draw rather than be stuck with the shame of winning.

Shane54
Aug 23rd, 2003, 07:37 PM
Too bad Venus is not playing, so if she won we could place an ASTERISK by her name too! ;)

TeeRexx
Aug 23rd, 2003, 08:13 PM
No, VENUS is a 2 time champ. No asterisk would be needed. :p

Malin
Aug 23rd, 2003, 08:22 PM
So since Lindsay has won it before, no asterik would be needed either. Oh I get it, only someone who has won before would deserve it.

TeeRexx
Aug 23rd, 2003, 08:29 PM
Naw, if the winner is not a WILLIAMS or did not beat a WILLIAMS or have a single WILLIAMS in the draw, the sports writers will give them an asterisk. :)

auntie janie
Aug 23rd, 2003, 08:34 PM
Phil Jackson was Mr. Give-em-an-Asterisk when his team failed to win in the strike-shortened season. As a sore loser, no one should have paid him any mind, but I notice that asterisk still comes up when discussion of that Spurs' win comes up, as if the asterisk is legitimate. (As a Spurs fan, I know better.) :D

But tennis would be riddled with asterisks if they started this idea, as so many have already pointed out. Even Serena would have one this year, for beating a hobbled Venus. ;)

TeeRexx
Aug 23rd, 2003, 08:52 PM
janie - No, a WILLIAMS is immune from those deadly asterisk. :lol: :)

fammmmedspin
Aug 23rd, 2003, 09:48 PM
Presumably if the surgeon's knife slips or Venus decides on a designing career every other GS champion will get an asterix for the next 30000000000 years till this universe ends in a tennis playing form?

Joana
Aug 23rd, 2003, 09:53 PM
I have a better idea. Every pre-1998 GS champion should have an asterisk next to her name because they were just lucky to play when the sisters weren't around. ;)

Darran
Aug 23rd, 2003, 09:55 PM
I'm sure its not the first time the world #'s 2&5 have been out of a grand slam, so they shouldn't get an asterix after their name.

shap_half
Aug 23rd, 2003, 09:56 PM
why don't we just put an asterisk on every GS champion where Venus and Serena didn't compete at?!?! I mean, wow, if Venus and Serena were to have competed in the 1984 US Open surely neither Chrissy nor Martina would have been in that final!!! So asterisk on that!

*JR*
Aug 23rd, 2003, 10:02 PM
Don't blame me, folks.
Read the articles and you can see that asterisk already being mentally placed by the future winners name. :lol:
Is it beyond your "pre-determined agenda" to acknowledge a simple media fact? (Controversy sells, whether Clinton's affairs, did dubya knowingly mislead the world about WMD in Iraq, is Affleck cheating on
J-Lo, what's the deal on Kobe, you name it)! :rolleyes:

Martian Willow
Aug 23rd, 2003, 10:08 PM
Naw, if the winner is not a WILLIAMS or did not beat a WILLIAMS or have a single WILLIAMS in the draw, the sports writers will give them an asterisk. :)

Ah, but the sisters should have the asterisk because they never had to beat Graf, Navratilova, Court, Wills-Moody or Lenglen, because they were retired/old/dead. Very hollow victories imho. :)

Shane54
Aug 23rd, 2003, 10:29 PM
I have a better idea. Every pre-1998 GS champion should have an asterisk next to her name because they were just lucky to play when the sisters weren't around. ;)


Yes, in fact Navratilova is very undeserving of all her championships! You are right Joana there should be an asterisk by King, Court, and Evert's championships too! ;)

TeeRexx
Aug 23rd, 2003, 11:50 PM
Wrong Navratilova earned her championships. :p

Hey, write Reuters, API and UPI for saying that the winner of this open will have been the recepient of a loto win. :)

TeeRexx
Aug 24th, 2003, 03:54 PM
To be placed before the winner's name. "*" :lol:

Paneru
Aug 24th, 2003, 03:58 PM
In regards to Steffi,
even Chrissy said that when she hears people talk about all of Steffi's titles she said she can't help but think if Monica were never stabbed would she have won so many. W/o Monica she had no rival and the titles were her's for the taking.

Nothing against Steffi,
it's just the circumstances.

irma
Aug 24th, 2003, 04:01 PM
I think the same when thinking about solid number 8 who would probably never even have won a tier 1 title when half the tour had not gone away :o

Serendy Willick
Aug 24th, 2003, 04:04 PM
No, you have to win 7 matches, if you do, you are and rightfully so, the slam champion.

irma
Aug 24th, 2003, 04:07 PM
still before the eighties, many slams had smaller draws. are they less worthy?;) (nah I don't think so but it's still a fact)

TeeRexx
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:40 PM
The absence of the WILLIAMS is makig this a memorable Open.

Next year things should be better with VENUS & SERENA back in the draw.

bello
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:16 AM
No asterix, unless we are putting asterix's next to Steffi's million slams due to Monica's stabbing, GO JEN!!! GO FOR US OPEN 03!!

AjdeNate!
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:37 AM
They are still gonna play tennis despite no Williams' girls in the draw? Surely, I thought the WTA and the USTA would cancel.

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 12:42 AM
Yes there will be an asterisk, but then:

2003 US: Winner*
2003 WB: Williams
2003 FO: Henin-Hardenne*
2003 AO: Williams

2002 US: Williams
2002 WB: Williams
2002 FO: Williams
2002 AO: Capriati*

2001 US: Williams
2001 WB: Williams
2001 FO: Capriati*
2001 AO: Capriati*

2000 US: Williams
2000 WB: Williams
2000 FO: Pierce*
2000 AO: Davenport*

That's how the asterisk (*) works for TeeRexx. Anyone else see a pattern? Hmmm...

TeeRexx
Aug 25th, 2003, 05:46 AM
Sam - Did i invent this damn controversey.
Please go to some additional tennis sites and see the writers opinions of an Open without VENUS or SERENA. :p

However, you asterisk placement seems tobe quite correct. :lol:

sixfeetfree
Aug 25th, 2003, 06:48 AM
Obviously there are those who think that because the winner of a GS doesn't play Venus or Serena along the way that the victory is in some way tainted. I on the other hand believe that you play those that are in the tourney and if you win at the end of the day, the victory is yours - period. I also believe that the Williams sisters are very very good players, who like everyone else, work hard for the wins they have and are no less victorious because Monica is out, Hingis is retired or Capriati or Lindsay is ailing. If we started to rate wins by the rank of the draw quality then we may as well just play the game on paper and do away with the courts - folks, THAT is why they play the game... anyone can win on any given day. I don't recall seeing an asterisk next to the SF Giants wins because Bonds wasn't in the lineup. I didn't see an asterisk next to the Yankees wins when Jeter was hurt. I agree with "to be the best, you must beat the best" - but not "for the win to count, you must play V./S. Williams". At the end of the day I congratulate the winners and applaud those who give a winning effort but come up short.

"Then again, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2003, 06:53 AM
Obviously there are those who think that because the winner of a GS doesn't play Venus or Serena along the way that the victory is in some way tainted. I on the other hand believe that you play those that are in the tourney and if you win at the end of the day, the victory is yours - period. I also believe that the Williams sisters are very very good players, who like everyone else, work hard for the wins they have and are no less victorious because Monica is out, Hingis is retired or Capriati or Lindsay is ailing. If we started to rate wins by the rank of the draw quality then we may as well just play the game on paper and do away with the courts - folks, THAT is why they play the game... anyone can win on any given day. I don't recall seeing an asterisk next to the SF Giants wins because Bonds wasn't in the lineup. I didn't see an asterisk next to the Yankees wins when Jeter was hurt. I agree with "to be the best, you must beat the best" - but not "for the win to count, you must play V./S. Williams". At the end of the day I congratulate the winners and applaud those who give a winning effort but come up short.

"Then again, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
You are correct of course but alas you are talking to a wall.

TeeRexx, writers write with a twist of the truth because that sells the stories. If a writer wrote, the winner will be the winner, he'll get fired the next day.

Gee, I thought you knew that. Don't take the media's word on everything. They'll make a fool of you... oops. :secret:

Gowza
Aug 25th, 2003, 07:56 AM
i think if it is someone like clijsters, henin, capriati, mauresmo, davenport then yes people will go on about how the williams sisters aren't there, same goes for a veteren if they win. but i think if it is a youngster that wins then people won't go on about it as much. it will be seen more as a breakthrough and hope to come in the future that womens tennis will become more competitive at the top and this person is the leading the charge for the youngsters.

tennisjam
Aug 25th, 2003, 08:47 AM
Irma Irma Irma... :rolleyes:

Martina should have an asterisk as a tennis prodigy Grand Slam winner... :bounce:

Graf should have a double asterisk as a lucky loser to the old Navratilova or stabbed Monica... :o

Willies absence is an important fact but it should not discredit the new winner as nobody know at 100% what should have happened if... :confused:

irma
Aug 25th, 2003, 08:53 AM
yeah martina didn't even have to beat the old lucker loser since the last was on the surgery table or almost died

take her titles away :p

tennisjam
Aug 25th, 2003, 08:57 AM
hello sweety :kiss: ;)

and don't be so predictable... :p

you Grafocholic... :cool:

irma
Aug 25th, 2003, 09:00 AM
:wavey:

I need to go to the AG today

TeeRexx
Sep 6th, 2003, 05:19 PM
Looks like JHH is gonna get an * by her name this year. :)

Schalckske
Sep 6th, 2003, 05:34 PM
Looks like JHH is gonna get an * by her name this year. :)

Yes she will, an * which stands for: played the best, most exciting match at the open :p

decemberlove
Sep 6th, 2003, 07:47 PM
you never explained why, if venus was here, she wouldnt get an *. its clear that she doesnt have the fire to beat serena, and if she wouldve played serena, she most likely would have lost to her. so again, WHY wouldnt she get an *?