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Tennis Fool
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:07 PM
Jennifer has won her first title since the Australian 2002, the result of both her semi and final opponents Amelie and Lindsay retiring in the second sets of their matches.

To be fair, today Jennifer was hitting shots all over the court even before Lindsay retired due to her toe, 6/2 4/0.

Do you think Jennifer is a contender for the US Open title, or is her Pilot Pen win a fluke making her look like a favorite when she isn't?

Mase
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:07 PM
A contender and this is just what she needed to realize it herself...... Great week Jenny!

treufreund
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:09 PM
SHE played VERY VERY WELL. She is a big big threat. Which makes me sad since I wanted JUSTINE or KIM to win but I like JENNY TOO!

sartrista7
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:10 PM
Well, neither really. It puts her back into contention to an extent - it's proved that she at least is over her shoulder injury, and it won't be a factor at the US Open. On the other hand, what's she actually done here? Made matches against Bovina and Pistolesi much harder than she should have, then benefited from a sick Mauresmo and hobbled Davenport withdrawing. It doesn't mean she's NOT a contender, but it doesn't mean she's a favourite either.

Diya
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:12 PM
No doubt about it ......She was a contender for the USO crown with or without this title .

However this title win makes her now a stronger contender. She now has won three set matches and has wins over other top ten players ranked above her !Watchout Justine and Kim !!

Tratree
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:19 PM
Please.....Jennifer was playing great tennis last night and today, regardless of her opponents. Her opponent retiring had nothing to do with her hitting smoking forehands and being consistent with her serve. It's the best she has played in a long time and I am encouraged by it greatly. She would have won both matches even in the player didn't retire. Don't discredit Jen's wins....she earned them all.

Wait a sec....i just saw the "hobbling Davenport" above and have to respond. I like Lindsay and I really feel for her pain and disappointment (I even cried with her), but she was not "hobbling" until the last two games or so. Jen was clearly playing better the whole match, so don't give me that crap about Lindsay losing because of her toe injury.

ans
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:22 PM
If Jen isn't a real contender, then who is? (apart from kim and justine) :confused:

Rocketta
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:24 PM
poor jen her title is tainted from injury withdrawals

she played well and might have won if both her opponents were healthy but we only know what did happen and what did happen was she played two hampered players who had to withdraw due to injury. :sad:

Anyway because of that I say both. She was always a contender the minute Venus and Serena withdrew. She was "lucky" for lack of a better word that at the end her opponents due to physical reasons weren't up to the challenge.

Bella
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:25 PM
I don't think Amelie started out ill. I don't think Lindsay started out with her toe inflamed. Jen was playing winning tennis through the first sets. I suspect Jen knows that and has the confidence she'd have if the matches were finished.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:25 PM
She's a contender and she was lucky. How can you not call winning a title due to two retirements not lucky? would she have won if they were healthy? who knows?

kim&lleyton4evaz
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:27 PM
Well, neither really. It puts her back into contention to an extent - it's proved that she at least is over her shoulder injury, and it won't be a factor at the US Open. On the other hand, what's she actually done here? Made matches against Bovina and Pistolesi much harder than she should have, then benefited from a sick Mauresmo and hobbled Davenport withdrawing. It doesn't mean she's NOT a contender, but it doesn't mean she's a favourite either.
I'd bet you didn't even watch her matches against Bovina and Pistolesi...

Tennis Fool
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:34 PM
Treufreund: Forgive me since I haven't posted here in a while (see my sig). Anyway, when did you start liking Serena :confused:

Malin
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:40 PM
Amelie wasn't even sick until Jen started killing her, she just was a baby so she pulled out. Jen would have beaten both amelie and lindsay. People who say it's just luck are bitter and upset that Jen can win the USO.

JonBcn
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:46 PM
I'd bet you didn't even watch her matches against Bovina and Pistolesi...

Well if you did, you'd know he was right; there was no way the Pistolesi match should have gone to a third set.

jenglisbe
Aug 23rd, 2003, 06:49 PM
Tratree - Of course her hobbled opponents have something to do with it!! If Amelie was sick, her movement was likely hurt, which means she couldn't get to balls she normally would get to...which makes Jennifer's shots look better. The same could be said of Lindsay.

jenny161185
Aug 23rd, 2003, 07:01 PM
But they say Lindsays toed didnt effect her in the first set and jennifer won that set 6-2 so she was obviously playing the better tennis - same for the amelie match we dont really know know how bad her stomach was and how much it effected her in the first set which jennifer won 6-3 . Give this girl some credit she's always getting a hard time!

~|Naomi|~
Aug 24th, 2003, 02:11 AM
well I didn't see the match, but i hope this gets her confidence goin for the open and she does really well :)

1jackson2001
Aug 24th, 2003, 02:15 AM
She would always be a contender if she played as well as she did today. Davenport's retirement has nothing to do with it, and doesn't take any of Capriati's superb play away.

Gowza
Aug 24th, 2003, 02:19 AM
she's a contender, she was a contender before but now she has the confidence of a title behind which could pull up her game making her a biiger threat. however it would have been nice if she had pulled one of the matches out in a tight 3 setter, she's had problems with 3 set matches against the top players it just makes me wonder whether she could pull them out at the open with a title behind her or whether she'll still have the problem with them.

she is a big contender i'd put her in the top 3 with kim and justine. mauresmo was beaten by dementieva, dementieva has been playing well but imo that puts mauresmo behind the others.

in all honesty with davenport being injured and the williams sisters out my top 4 favourties would be:

1) justine
2) kim
3) capriati
4) dementieva

Shane54
Aug 24th, 2003, 06:42 AM
We all know that Jennifer "No talent, all luck" Capriati won by luck. I mean how lucky can you get losing the first set to Amelie 6-0 about to get double bageled then Amelie having to retire. And then to top it off Jennifer was getting smoked 6-0, 4-0 by Lindsay and then Lindsay retires. I have never seen so much luck. Does Jennifer deserve her title, would she have come back? Who knows. If Jenn had won the first sets against Linds and Amelie, then maybe... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Fingon
Aug 24th, 2003, 07:06 AM
SHE played VERY VERY WELL. She is a big big threat. Which makes me sad since I wanted JUSTINE or KIM to win but I like JENNY TOO!


if you play against someone that can't move, then you will hit winners all over the place.

Not taking anything away from Jennifer, but this match doesn't prove anything.

Fingon
Aug 24th, 2003, 07:10 AM
We all know that Jennifer "No talent, all luck" Capriati won by luck. I mean how lucky can you get losing the first set to Amelie 6-0 about to get double bageled then Amelie having to retire. And then to top it off Jennifer was getting smoked 6-0, 4-0 by Lindsay and then Lindsay retires. I have never seen so much luck. Does Jennifer deserve her title, would she have come back? Who knows. If Jenn had won the first sets against Linds and Amelie, then maybe... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


the problem is, nobody questions Jennifer's game, but her ability to win close matches. Jennifer has taken a set off many top players, including Serena, Kim and Justine but the problem is that her record in 3 sets matches is terrible, and that's more mental than anything.

so the fact that she had won the first sets against Davenport and Mauresmo means nothing, I never doubted that Jennifer can do that, the big question is, will this help her confidence to help her win those close matches?, answer, I have no idea.

sunnysideup
Aug 24th, 2003, 07:10 AM
if you play against someone that can't move, then you will hit winners all over the place.

Not taking anything away from Jennifer, but this match doesn't prove anything.
Sad but true.:sad:

IcePrincess
Aug 24th, 2003, 10:39 AM
I can't believe some of you trolls bought Mauresmo's "sickness". Yeah, she was sick of getting her ass kicked.

Momo was getting a BEATDOWN, so she walked out of the match with her tail between her legs.

Lindsay, on the other hand, was extremely disappointed with her legitimate injury. Bad luck for Big Linds.

Work it out, Jen! :)

:bounce:

Dava
Aug 24th, 2003, 11:07 AM
Well I never saw the Mauresmo match, but evey shot Jen went for against Lindsay seemed to make the court, and Lindsay just could not keep up with Jen on the movement department, especially when Jen was in control of the rally.

TSequoia01
Aug 24th, 2003, 02:04 PM
Jen has to be considered a contender. Her serve was the best it has been in years and with no Serena to thwart her efforts she could go far. :cool:

*JR*
Aug 24th, 2003, 02:51 PM
I have no idea. First, kudos to Fingon for saying something we all should admit now and then! :) Jen has always been a battler, and it's nice 2C her pick up a "regular title". (Kimmie would trade her a few more for that Slam, I think).

Jennifer's wife
Aug 24th, 2003, 03:35 PM
if Jen can keep this focus and level of play she had this week then i can seriously see her taking the US title. There is a diference when Jen is on winning form and when she's not. as a Cappy fan whose watched every single match for the last couple of years u can tell when she's playing her grade a game. Her forehand was smoking, her serve was good and her game had that magical quality to it, that indescribable something that is just there when she's in top form. She was playing well enuff to win regardless of her opponents injuries in the semi and final. i just hope that she can bring the same game to NY with her

Shane54
Aug 24th, 2003, 04:19 PM
Good post Jennifer's wife! I completely agree with you. Jenn did have that magic that I have not seen in awhile. She always seems to be lost against certain players. There is no reason, as talented as she is, to be losing all the time to Lindsay. Jennifer was ACTUALLY taking advantage of Lindsay's slower movement. WOW! Imagine that, Jennifer taking advantage of someones weakness. And I am not talking about Linds injury. Even without the injury Linds is NO Marion Jones.....Congrats Jenn!

kim&lleyton4evaz
Aug 24th, 2003, 04:31 PM
Well if you did, you'd know he was right; there was no way the Pistolesi match should have gone to a third set.
Did you watch her match with Bovina? I have 4 times. I'd venture to guess you haven't... so please shut the fuck up when talking to someone with vastly more tennis knowledge than you. Thanks.

JCAP
Aug 24th, 2003, 06:15 PM
Jen a contender? Thats simple YES!

hollywood7172
Aug 24th, 2003, 06:27 PM
oh get over it once and for all you jen-haters:

1. jen didn't cause mauresmo or davenport to retire. THEY did. they decided it. so stop blaming jen by taking away from her wins.

2. PLEASE children. being lucky is losing the first set and trailing in the second when the other player retires. winning the first set and leading the second with scores like 3-0 and 4-0 says retire or not, you're gonna lose.

but i know no matter what the haters will keep on hatin. and you know what? i dont give a fuck. jennifer will be the pilot pen champion still, 5 years from now, but no one will remeber or care that davey and mauresmo retired. so there.

apoet29
Aug 24th, 2003, 06:43 PM
Jen deserved her win. She played excellent tennis all week. Mauresmo clearly has been having mental and physical issues since that FO quarterfinal. Amelia, I felt, just gave up in her match. Lindsey didn't start having problems until the last two games of the second set. Jennifer went onto that court determined to win that title and she did. Hollywood is right. Amelia and Lindsey were in control of their fate and each decided to retire. To me, Jennifer's win is not tainted at all. I'm happy to see her win and wish her the best at the Open.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 24th, 2003, 06:44 PM
Jen has to be considered a contender. Her serve was the best it has been in years and with no Serena to thwart her efforts she could go far. :cool:


Oh and Venus the Williams sister she has not wins over wouldn't have been a factor huh? GET A CLUE

Jenn is a contender on an even shorter list of contenders. Winning over a sick Amelie, and an injured Lindsay probably won't give her the confidence boost some suggest, but she was playing well and that should give her what she needs to take it to the other two contenders for the title.

If LIndsay is ok for the open I'm rooting for her then Capriati, Rubin