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ozfan44
Aug 22nd, 2003, 01:58 AM
Predict who will get the Wildcard for the Australian Open
just saying one french, asian and british and 5 aussies are awarded
based on Evie missing main draw

Mine are
1-Sam Stosur
2-Evie Dominikovic
3-Chrstina Wheeler
4-Casey Dellacqua
5-Lauren Breadmore
6-Severine Beltrame
7-Jie Zheng
8-Elena Baltacha

sorry Rachel

broncosven
Aug 22nd, 2003, 02:57 AM
Dont know about brit, fren or asain

but aussie

Main
Evie
Sam
Christina
Casey
Lauren

Quali
Adriana
Lauren
Jaslyn
Tiffany
Lara
Monique
Nicole


but then again ranks and injuries could help other aussies get into the draw

ozfan44
Aug 22nd, 2003, 04:11 AM
what a waste giving szili a wildcard unless she earns it in the aussie challengers, ive seen her play and i think she's over rated

broncosven
Aug 22nd, 2003, 07:17 AM
i was just basing my assumptions from who TA gave to last year

i have never seen her play and dont know much about her . . . but if she got one last year she must have some potiential musnt she ????? :confused: :confused:

AUSBOY
Aug 22nd, 2003, 01:36 PM
Main Draw

Stosur
Evie
Dellacqua
Wheeler
Breadmore

Qualifying

McQuillan (direct entry)
Ferguson
Kriz (deserves one!)
Adamzcak
Giltinan
O Lukaswicez

Watson (injury ranking???)
Grahame (injury ranking???)


Slight Chance

Hewitt
Dittmann
Welford
Cupac
Sekulowski
Van Elden (I think she's coming good again)
D. Dominikovic
Horiatopolous




You can forget these names!

Sewell, Baker, Cheung, Musgrave, McShea, Stewart. Roberts, Szili

TS
Aug 22nd, 2003, 03:44 PM
I think it's a tad too early to make WC predictions...I mean anything can happen til then. We've still got a lot of shuffling to be had from now until the end of the challenger series.

Barring injury, expect rankings to rise for Monique Adamcak, Nicole Kriz, Lauren Breadmore and Casey Dellacqua after the Oz challengers (they don't have much to defend at all)...also depending on how much they play, juniors like Dubravka Cupac, Olivia Lukaszewicz and Sophie Ferguson should all rise a few hundred spots hopefully. With the exception of Casey (who will undoubtedly get a MD WC) I expect all, or most, of these girls to get qualy WC's. Add Christina Horiatopoulos (if she doesn't I will personally hunt down TA personnel :p), Daniella Dominikovic and Gabrielle Baker to the potential qualy list.

Anyway, players that have no chance IMO are Musgrave, Sewell, McShea, Dittmann, Van Elden and Roberts. Depending on how Bryanne Stewart goes in the challengers, she will also miss out. She has a better shot than the above players though because of her past history and (slightly) higher profile. Ditto Cindy Watson and Amanda Grahame. (BTW, for this group in this paragraph I'm talking QUALY WC's, none of them will get a MD one obviously)

Szili should NOT get one for ANYTHING. I think she has won 2 matches all year. I hope she can prove us wrong though by turning things around herself come October :)

broncosven
Aug 22nd, 2003, 09:57 PM
Well said TS

alot of players are coming back from injury and have nothing to defend, and alot of juniors are coming through

but should we give then WC, even if into qualies, i know its for 'exposure' but shouldnt we give it to people who are proven (well competant) at that level

i would love to see 5 juniors get WC and all win but dont think its gonna happen

AUSBOY
Aug 23rd, 2003, 12:56 AM
I think it's a tad too early to make WC predictions...I mean anything can happen til then. We've still got a lot of shuffling to be had from now until the end of the challenger series.

Barring injury, expect rankings to rise for Monique Adamcak, Nicole Kriz, Lauren Breadmore and Casey Dellacqua after the Oz challengers (they don't have much to defend at all)...also depending on how much they play, juniors like Dubravka Cupac, Olivia Lukaszewicz and Sophie Ferguson should all rise a few hundred spots hopefully. With the exception of Casey (who will undoubtedly get a MD WC) I expect all, or most, of these girls to get qualy WC's. Add Christina Horiatopoulos (if she doesn't I will personally hunt down TA personnel :p), Daniella Dominikovic and Gabrielle Baker to the potential qualy list.

Anyway, players that have no chance IMO are Musgrave, Sewell, McShea, Dittmann, Van Elden and Roberts. Depending on how Bryanne Stewart goes in the challengers, she will also miss out. She has a better shot than the above players though because of her past history and (slightly) higher profile. Ditto Cindy Watson and Amanda Grahame. (BTW, for this group in this paragraph I'm talking QUALY WC's, none of them will get a MD one obviously)

Szili should NOT get one for ANYTHING. I think she has won 2 matches all year. I hope she can prove us wrong though by turning things around herself come October :)


I agree its too early to make predictions, Szili for instance might dominate the Aussie $25k's! I think after November it should be pretty clear though who's in and who's not. Watson and Grahame if not getting into Aust Open qualies with injury rankings will definitely have to prove they are worthy of a qualifying wildcard by reaching a couple of Q/F's in the $25k's at least!

I wouldnt be ruling out Van Elden so quickly, she's having a great week in Enschede this week, maybe she's finally finding her game again.

I would be confident about Baker though, she has had a year almost the same as Szili losing in like 15 1st rounds or so.

Looking at the top 500 though, there isnt much joy for the Aussies.

I think the big question is whether Tennis Australia is going to throw Olivia L, and a few other juniors in again after last years schimozzle! I hope not, as 'the thrashing experience' hasnt done anything for any of their development. Even after this year Olivia and Daniela cant qualify or win a Junior Slam match, they havent made much progress at all. Giltinan/Ferguson though could justify getting qualifying wildcards, they seem to play at a higher level.

ozfan44
Aug 26th, 2003, 03:50 AM
i only started this thread for a bit of fun its not like we are actually making the selections lighten up a bit
and the only thing szili will dominate will be the consecutive loss count

louloubelle
Aug 26th, 2003, 06:46 AM
Give 1 wildcard for best performer in the 25K's

Throw the rest in a play-off and may the best five win.

TS
Aug 26th, 2003, 06:52 AM
...better yet, throw them all in a giant lottery ball thing...spot! match! win! :D

Seriously, it's a toss up. Considering the gap in rankings from Wheeler to McQuillan to Breadmore, it's a situation we haven't been in for a while. There's always been more to choose from in the top 250...hopefully that will change come November.

louloubelle
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:00 AM
A scrag bitch fight then. 3 rounds knockout in a mud bath. ;)

TS
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:08 AM
LOL. I'm putting money on Stone :eek:

louloubelle
Aug 26th, 2003, 07:13 AM
Don't underestimate Christina, she has a fine mentor... who may just join in for the fun of it. :p

SM
Aug 26th, 2003, 11:19 AM
i think the juniors should be given qualifying WC's again cos its not like if we give it to other vet's that theyre actually gonna qualify or anything..

young players like adamczak, d.dominikovic, cupac, fergusson, engels, etc should get exposure. whether or not it yields any major result IMO.

azza
Aug 26th, 2003, 12:05 PM
Nicole Kris should get atleast 2 quallies WC in the australian summer

AUSBOY
Aug 27th, 2003, 01:30 AM
i think the juniors should be given qualifying WC's again cos its not like if we give it to other vet's that theyre actually gonna qualify or anything..

young players like adamczak, d.dominikovic, cupac, fergusson, engels, etc should get exposure. whether or not it yields any major result IMO.


Why should we give wildcards to players like Engels and Dominikovic when they havent played enough seniors matches all year to gain a singles ranking!

I'm sorry but I dont see any point in handing out wildcards at WTA/ITF events if so-called up and coming juniors dont make any effort themselves to play senior events!

Juniors like Cupac, Welford, Cheung etc are more worthy, at least they have gained minimal experience at senior level. Throwing Olivia, Daniela this year was the biggest joke of the century. Sure Daniela got a few games but only because Brandi was so rusty and framing half her groundies and making tons of errors, I think Daniela a held serve once the whole match! Even Jaslyn or an injured Beti would have faired better!

Ferguson was also too inexperienced this year! I believe she's worthy for next year, but that should have been her 1st wildcard not 2nd!

We are now having a lot of players between 250-500 retiring like Dowse, Belobradjic, Johnston, Clayton, Hunt, etc as they arent getting the acknowledgement and financial help needed to continue in tennis. Look at the rankings now, how many singles players ranked between 200-500 have been battling it around those rankings for more than 2 years? not many!

How quickly people forget that the Pratt's and Guse's took 6-7 years battling around 250-500 before cracking the top 100. If Tennis Australia won't support existing players ranked between 250-750 how does it expect them to continue playing and travelling and gaining the experience necessary to get that breakthrough and climb the ranks! Especially players ranked 230-350, they are only 1 big win away from playing a whole year of grand slam and WTA qualifying.

Need I keep reminding people that not even Dokic received a wildcard until she had proven herself in senior events and of course dominated junior Grand Slams! She wasnt given a wildcard until she had had a ranking in the top 300! If a junior is that good at 15 it should be simple for them to obtain a top 600 rank from the 6 Aussie challengers, and only after proving that should they be considered for a WC! Cos if they cant do that yet then they're certainly not going to be able to compete with a top 200 player in qualifying!

I mean if a singles no-hoper/doubles specialist like Sarah Stone can obtain a top 600 singles rank then surely any Junior with genuine talent can. So thats why I keep strongly objecting to any Aust Open wildcards given out to players ranked below 600 because they either arent good enough or are still too young and powerless!

broncosven
Aug 27th, 2003, 06:01 AM
If TA are handing out wildcards to people below 500 i think there is something kinda wrong, unless they were injured or junior transition

we need to improve the 250 - 400 rankings to get them up to get into grand slam qualies and some lower tier qualies to gain exposure

reckon the only assurables are

:) Casey and
:) Sam

TS
Aug 27th, 2003, 08:09 AM
I'm an advocate for the young kids, you all know that (no reason for me to re-hash my arguments!)...we've discussed this issue soooo many times, it's getting a little :yawn:

;)

Vicky88
Aug 27th, 2003, 08:55 PM
Actually I am going to change my position to that which I have previously taken. I am one of those who has always said who cares if who gets the qualifying wildcards because they are all throwaways. However, after reading Ausboy's post I have to say I think he is on the right track. Why should the players who battle all year to make it to 250 to 500 miss out year after year on that WC to be continually passed by the juniors who are unranked or have such a high ranking it is irrelevant?? When do the girls in the 250 to 500 range get their chance? There is always going to be a fresh bunch of juniors to take those cards from them year after year.

I am more inclined to think that a play-off in a training camp in December should be used to determine all w/c's including for main draw. Top 4 get the main draw, next 8 get the qualifying. Of course this kind of thing is always thrown into disarray if someone who is deserving is injured. Basically I think there should be some kind of guidelines so every players knows what they need to do to get one of these wildcards instead of it coming down to what appears to be favourtism on behalf of the selectors.

Rising Sun
Sep 20th, 2003, 03:47 PM
Does anybody know how they'll decide the final 3 MD wildcards? :confused:

1) Asian WC
2) French WC
3) British WC
4) $25K QLD & SA feed-up
5) Dec Play-Off Winner
6)
7)
8)

Should be interesting to see which players will 'up' their performance at the upcoming Aussie Challengers. :)

broncosven
Sep 21st, 2003, 12:09 AM
yes the first 4 are right

the asian
french
british
and winner of uncle tobys tour

im not sure about the dec playoff dont they usually do that if they cant decide who to give it too

they usually give the others to players who are coming up from juniors or players who need that one good win to make it higher on the tour . . .i dont think they have a formulae but i would like to see a play off series determine the last 4 spots

AUSBOY
Sep 21st, 2003, 02:23 AM
Wasnt the British Wildcard exchange a once off??????

Can anyone confirm that they are doing it again in 2004?

azza
Sep 25th, 2003, 12:16 PM
Predict who will get the Wildcard for the Australian Open
just saying one french, asian and british and 5 aussies are awarded
based on Evie missing main draw

Mine are
1-Sam Stosur
2-Evie Dominikovic
3-Chrstina Wheeler
4-Casey Dellacqua
5-Lauren Breadmore
6-Severine Beltrame
7-Jie Zheng
8-Elena Baltacha

sorry Rachel

1-Dominikovic
2-Stosur
3-Wheeler
4-Breadmore
5-Musgrave
6-(Fra) Pin
7-(Jpn) Fujiwara
8-(Grb) Keothavong

SpikeyAidanm
Sep 25th, 2003, 12:55 PM
1. Szilli
2. Dellacqua
3. Adamczak
4. Stosur
5. Dominikovic
6. Tian Tian Sun
7. O'Donoghue
8. Sandrine Testud :D

Rising Sun
Sep 28th, 2003, 04:02 PM
The 1st WC is confirmed: Chia-Jung Chuang (TPE) for winning the Asian Champs. :cool: