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alfajeffster
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:00 PM
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario vs. Gabriela Sabatini
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario vs. Conchita Martinez
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario vs. pretty much anybody
Tracy Austin vs. Chris Evert

When you look at todays big hitters- we really have come a long way! :bounce:

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:02 PM
Dont jib Arantxa shes cool!

But yes I hate moonballing, Pistolesi brings it back with a certain sense of dread. I wish she would just stick to her strengths rather then just hitting that god awful backhand.

alfajeffster
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:05 PM
Dont jib Arantxa shes cool!

But yes I hate moonballing, Pistolesi brings it back with a certain sense of dread. I wish she would just stick to her strengths rather then just hitting that god awful backhand.

I remember a hardcourt match Arantxa and Conchita played the year Conchita just won Wimbledon, and it was the most awful display of playing not to lose moonballing by both players I've ever seen. I kept wanting to replace one of them with Seles or Graf just to get the ball down out of the sky with some mustard on it! :lol:

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:07 PM
OK you have a point there.

MLF
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:13 PM
Tracy and Chris didn't moonball against each other. They just had long, safe rallies.

Sabatini vs Sanchez was only a moonball fest on clay. On other surfaces Gaby was more aggressive and stormed into the net quite often from 1990 onwards.

Diya
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:13 PM
It was fun to watch the ASV play against some players .........especially against Graf in the 1994 US Open final ;)

alfajeffster
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:14 PM
The 1979 U.S. Open Women's Singles Final (Austin def. Evert) was the single most boring major final I've seen to date. :yawn:

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:15 PM
I remember when Novotna did commentating for Wimby, she said that she hated playing Arantxa, cos she knew that she would get every ball back, even on grass, never mind clay.

alfajeffster
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:16 PM
It was fun to watch the ASV play against some players .........especially against Graf in the 1994 US Open final ;)

I'll say this, I always loved Arantxa's fight- she never gave up, but I couldn't stand her "lollypop style" as Cliff Drysdale once described it. To be fair, he went on to say "I suppose she has to dance with who brung her"!

Diya
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:20 PM
Didn't they like play in the finals of RG and Wimby back to back for two consecutive years (1995-96)and if i am not wrong most of them were three setters :eek:

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:21 PM
I think it was 1993-94 the back 2 back wimby finals anyway.

alfajeffster
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:25 PM
I think it was 1993-94 the back 2 back wimby finals anyway.

If you're talking about Graf/Sanchez Vicario:

1995 French Open
1995 Wimbledon
1996 French Open
1996 Wimbledon

All won by Graf

Joana
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:04 AM
I agree that matches featuring 2 moonballers can be boring. On the other hand, Graf-Sanchez Viacario matches were mostly good, as they had such different styles, and it was great to see Arantxa getting to balls nobody else wouldn't.

Mateo Mathieu
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:06 AM
You guys forgetten Amanda Coetzer v Conchita Martinez at the US Open in 1998! :o

Dava
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:07 AM
OMG now that was bad!

Dava
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:08 AM
Anytime Conchi plays Manda is bad. BAD VERY BAD!

Julian
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:16 AM
I really dont understand why Arantxa was known for moon balling. As a a big fan I dont think she moon balled as much as people think. And when she did it was only because she was losing pretty bad (i.e. 96 FO vs. Habsudova) or to get to impossible shots! Mostly her game was pretty loopy but not "moony" lol and her backhand was pretty solid and had a lot of variety (flat, topspin, slice).

But I agree that 94 USO, 95 Wimbledon, and 96 FO finals were probably the best finals I've ever seen from the Graf-ASV "rivalry" ;) :)

Dava
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:19 AM
Yeah Julian I agree, I dont remember many matches where Arantxa mooned

Dava
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:20 AM
sorry Moonballed

LOL @ me I should never coin phrases.

raquel
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:21 AM
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario vs. Gabriela Sabatini
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario vs. Conchita Martinez
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario vs. pretty much anybody
Tracy Austin vs. Chris Evert

When you look at todays big hitters- we really have come a long way! :bounce:
Arantxa vs anybody? :rolleyes: Arantxa did not just moonball every match. She did use it a lot more in the late 80's but was more aggressive in the 1990's and used the pace of harder hitters well. If she just moonballed there is no way she would have won 4 Slams, reached 8 other finals and beat everyone at the top of the game a few times each, apart from Hingis who she only beat twice.

Alfajeffster make up your mind. In this thread you say "When you look at todays big hitters - we really have come a long way" and in the "Tennis is becoming boring" thread you say you bring back Jana Novotna's serve volley style - "Anything to break up this boring baseline play" is what you said - http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=2319835&postcount=3 . If we have really come such a long way now, why do you want the 'old' style back so much?

faboozadoo15
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:23 AM
let's hope moonballing REMAINS a thing of the past. hell, even SELES moonballed a little bit in 89 and early 90 (yea you heard me!!!). granted, monica would often throw in a deep lob and then crush the float ball return the got or would rush the net or take a midcourt swinging volley!!! i could watch that all day. just watch seles v evert 89 houston final and you'll know what im talking about.

Dava
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:25 AM
Lol!

Joana
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:26 AM
I saw '89 USO match Seles-Evert, and let me tell you, that was Monica you just couldn't recognize. She even moonballed short balls!

faboozadoo15
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:29 AM
yes, she definitely did not play that match against chrissy to win... by any stretch.

Messenger
Aug 20th, 2003, 01:23 AM
Defensive players are important to the game. There's nothing wrong with moonballing, it's a strategy. I'd much rather watch Venus vs. Coetzer or Martinez because the styles are so different as opposed to Venus vs. Venus clone where the ball is just banged back and forth.

Rothes
Aug 20th, 2003, 04:17 AM
When I went to Zurich last year, the match between Patty Schnyder and Conchita Martinez, that was a moonball fest in some parts of the sets.

Martian Willow
Aug 20th, 2003, 04:23 AM
If I remember rightly in the 2000 FO semi between Arantxa and Martinez, it was Conchita doing the moonballing.

tennispro105
Aug 20th, 2003, 05:26 AM
Don't diss Amanda on this thread!!
She is way shorter than all those other moonballers and she has a excusse for having to do that more often! Those others are just as tall as some one like Justine and could hit it just as hard if they wanted.

SM
Aug 20th, 2003, 05:43 AM
"granted, monica would often throw in a deep lob and then crush the float ball return the got or would rush the net or take a midcourt swinging volley!!! i could watch that all day. just watch seles v evert 89 houston final and you'll know what im talking about."

- what match did you watch? they hit high topspin balls most of the time, and each had a few moonballs each rally :o...but the commentators were talking abou thow aggressive monica was playing, yet even nicol epratt hits harder these days. tennis has come a long way

treufreund
Aug 20th, 2003, 06:23 AM
I love Moonballs. 5-10 per set is great. more than is excessive but they can be quite suspenseful and are brilliant defense at times. LOVE 'EM!!! :hearts:

irma
Aug 20th, 2003, 06:25 AM
I admire moonballers. I would go nuts only hitting the ball back without trying to hit the winner :o

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 06:26 AM
I agree with all the moonball critics. DOWN WITH VARIETY!

Rollo
Aug 20th, 2003, 06:52 AM
No one here has mentioned the moonball mania of the 1980s. Andrea Jaeger was the queen of the moonball! One match I'll never forget was a 6-1 6-0 win by Andrea over Virginia Ruzici at the 1980 US Clay finals. CBS carried it live. It filled up all two hours. Several points went over 100 shots :eek:

treufreund
Aug 20th, 2003, 07:04 AM
100 shot rallies are INSANE!!!!!!!

treufreund
Aug 20th, 2003, 07:06 AM
I agree with all the moonball critics. DOWN WITH VARIETY!

:haha: I know what you mean since you love CLIJSTERS who has no variety. ;)

DA FOREHAND
Aug 20th, 2003, 07:29 AM
The 1979 U.S. Open Women's Singles Final (Austin def. Evert) was the single most boring major final I've seen to date. :yawn:


I find that hard to believe it was more boring than 03 French Open final!

DA FOREHAND
Aug 20th, 2003, 07:34 AM
" 95 Wimbledon, and 96 FO finals were probably the best finals I've ever seen from the Graf-ASV "rivalry"

ROFLMBAO!!! you call that a rivalry?


ASV got booed at a tournament for moonballing I believe it was late 90's (98-00?) maybe the us open. She said something like I don't care what they like i'm trying to win a match. ;-)

Robbie.
Aug 20th, 2003, 08:31 AM
" 95 Wimbledon, and 96 FO finals were probably the best finals I've ever seen from the Graf-ASV "rivalry"

ROFLMBAO!!! you call that a rivalry?


ASV got booed at a tournament for moonballing I believe it was late 90's (98-00?) maybe the us open. She said something like I don't care what they like i'm trying to win a match. ;-)

That was the 1996 Roland Garros Quarterfinal against Habsudova. She won 10-8 in the final set :eek:

Darran
Aug 20th, 2003, 09:25 AM
It's wrong to say Aranxta just moonballed. I watched loads of her matches where she didn't. She basically used it as a tactic if things weren't going her way, just as she would slice, or occassionally serve and volley. She was knon for having amazing court craft, and to assume that she was a moonballer takes away from the fact that she reached 17 grand slam finals.

doloresc
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:14 PM
You guys forgetten Amanda Coetzer v Conchita Martinez at the US Open in 1997! :o

hahaha! :lol: it went on for an eternity! :(

doloresc
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:17 PM
It's wrong to say Aranxta just moonballed. I watched loads of her matches where she didn't. She basically used it as a tactic if things weren't going her way, just as she would slice, or occassionally serve and volley. She was knon for having amazing court craft, and to assume that she was a moonballer takes away from the fact that she reached 17 grand slam finals.

exactly! it was a tactic of sorts for sanchez vicario and it was effective. keep in mind that she didn't have a big forehand so she had to do something to upset her hard-hitting opponents' rhythm. there were times though when the moonballs hurt her because the likes of graf, huber and pierce started moving in, taking the moonballs out of the air and pounding them away for clean winners.

Mateo Mathieu
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:33 PM
"Somebody hit a winner, somebody go to the net, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!" - Mary Carillo on Conchita Martinez v Amanda Coetzer at the US Open 1998 ;)

TartarVicario
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:51 PM
I miss Arantxa VS Conchi match :sad: :sad:

Jippo McScally
Aug 20th, 2003, 01:08 PM
The worst I've seen was the FO semi between ASV and Martinez in 2000. They were moonballing, IN WIND! ASV Was awful that day!

wave
Aug 20th, 2003, 01:09 PM
Arantxa either used it as defense when she got to balls NOBODY else would have reached or she used it as tactics to make the oponent lose their rythm or their patience. Anway as long as the moonball was long enough (and she was famous for playing the balls exactly on the baseline) it worked quite well. I can remember a lot of times when the oponent e.g. Graf had to moonball back and this moonball was to short so Arantxa attacked it and made the point.
But Arantxa brought a lot of varienty to the game. Incredible dropshots (even against matchpoint in Wimbledon!!!), slice, topspin, wonderful topspin lobs, volleys, volley stops and also moonballs. With her tennis tactics she forced the oponent into mistakes in addition to also hit winners (mostly on the backhand). I would say that tennis of nowadays would be more interesting if there would be more variety but most of the top players can't even play a good slice. And don't reduce Arantxa to only hit moonballs!
I miss you Arantxa!

Sonf@
Aug 20th, 2003, 02:15 PM
If I remember rightly in the 2000 FO semi between Arantxa and Martinez, it was Conchita doing the moonballing.

Yeah, and see the score. The difference is that Conchita's moonballing is a strategy and a very good strategy. If you look at Conchita's most matches, she tries to hit her forehand instead of moonballing. Moonballing was just a way to find the right place to hit her forehand. Also remember she has a slice :p

Also I'd rather see Venus vs Conchita for example instead of Venus vs Serena. First of all I want to be able to follow the ball with my eyes.