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Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:50 PM
If there's any mistakes, let us know;)

WTA ACTIVE PLAYERS

1. Monica Seles USA
Titles: 53
Grand Slams: 9
1990,1991,1992 World Champion:eek:! (Season-Ending Championships)
Tier I's: 9

2. Lindsay Davenport USA
Titles: 38
Grand Slams: 3
1999 World Champion
1996 Olympic Champion
Tier I's: 8

3. Conchita Martinez ESP
Titles: 32
Grand Slams: 1
Tier I's: 9

4. Venus Williams USA
Titles: 29
Grand Slams: 4
2000 Olympic Champion
Tier I's: 5

5. Serena Williams USA
Titles: 23
Grand Slams: 6
2001 World Champion
Tier I's: 6

6. Kim Clijsters BEL
Titles: 16
Grand Slams: 0
2002 World Champion
Tier I's: 2

7. Mary Pierce FRA
Titles: 15
Grand Slams: 2
Tier I's: 3

8. Jennifer Capriati USA
Titles: 13
Grand Slams: 3
1992 Olympic Champion
Tier I's: 2

9. Justine Henin-Hardenne BEL
Titles: 12
Grand Slams: 1
Tier I's: 4

10. Magdalena Maleeva BUL
Titles: 10
Grand Slams: 0
Tier I's: 2

........honorable mention, and is still in the computer rankings:

Martina Hingis SUI
Titles: 40
Grand Slams: 5
1998,2000 World Champion
Tier I's: 15:eek:



.............till next time folks;) :angel:

Glenn
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:52 PM
Things that stick out:

Maleeva 4 tier I's :eek:

Kim only 2 :eek:
Jennifer also only 2 :eek:

raquel
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:55 PM
Things that stick out:

Maleeva 4 tier I's :eek:

Kim only 2 :eek:
Jennifer also only 2 :eek:
Maggie won Moscow 2 or 3 times in the mid 1990's, but Moscow was not a Tier 1 then, so I think Maggie might only have 1 or 2 Tier 1's.

Havok
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:01 PM
Dokic has 2 Tier I titles

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:05 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.........I counted Lindsay Davenport's 1993 European Championships as a Tier I, since it was Zurich.

SerenaSlam
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:05 PM
nice by Martina!

raquel
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:06 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.........I counted Lindsay Davenport's 1993 European Championships as a Tier I, since it was Zurich.
That was not a Tier 1 either. That was a small clay court event.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:06 PM
suddenly world no.1 Kim doesn´t look that impressive anymore huh?! 16 career titles and ONLY 2 tier I´s?!

Look at Serena: 23 titles, but SIX tier I´s and SiX slams plus one championships!! Damn, more than half of her titles is tier I or higher!!

Now that´s what I call impressive and she doesn´t even play that much either!! Serena knows the drill: QUALITY!!

MLF
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:07 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.........I counted Lindsay Davenport's 1993 European Championships as a Tier I, since it was Zurich.


no that was a pretty small clay tournament if I'm not mistaken. The equivalent of a tier 4 or so.

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:08 PM
okay i'll correct that;) thanks!!

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:12 PM
Corrections: :)

Maggie does not have 4 Tier I titles... she has 2. 02 Moscow and 94 Zurich. Moscow in 94 & 95 was a Tier III title.

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.........I counted Lindsay Davenport's 1993 European Championships as a Tier I, since it was Zurich.
Are you talking about Lucerne?

That was a Tier III clay tourney.

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:16 PM
Are you talking about Lucerne?

That was a Tier III clay tourney.

In most of the Lindsay Websites and the Sanex WTA Tour, it just says 1993 European Championships, not Lucern or Zurich;) but it's corrected now and thank you!! :wavey:

tennisIlove09
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:17 PM
Martina also won EVERY Tier 1 event, at least once. Not many can say that...if any current player

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:18 PM
You also might have Conchita's Tier I total too high... since she won Moscow 96, the last year it was Tier III. :)

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:20 PM
this is great marta magica, keep it comin;)

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:22 PM
Also i was looking at Conchita's Tier I's and she won the Italian Open 4 times:eek:! Hilton Head a couple of times as well as the German Open and yes, that Moscow 1996 does stick out in my mind.;)

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:26 PM
Actually, Conchita has 9...

Rome 93-96, Berlin 98 & 00, Hilton Head (don't know the years, but I know she won twice), and Philly 93 (Philly was a Tier I from 93-95).

So, she does have 9. :)

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:29 PM
Also, Iva Majoli has 3 Tier I titles, a grand slam, and I have to think at least 10 titles... if you want to add her.

alfajeffster
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:32 PM
no that was a pretty small clay tournament if I'm not mistaken. The equivalent of a tier 4 or so.

Indoor carpet

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:32 PM
Iva has 8 or 9 titles, but an honorable mention;)

Also, can u check Monica's Tier I's? She only started winning a handful of those since 1995 when she won that event 4 times:eek:! thanks!

raquel
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:34 PM
Indoor carpet
No, Lucerne was definitely clay.

Kart
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:35 PM
Monica :worship:

Jericho
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:36 PM
im surpised Venus has 5, judging by the fact that she's been only playing 2 a year lately. :rolleyes:

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:37 PM
I don't know all of Monica's... :sad:

Just Montreal/Toronto 95-98, and Rome 2000.

I know she won some in 90.

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:38 PM
yup Monica won Miami twice i think 1990 and 1991.

martamagica
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:38 PM
im surpised Venus has 5, judging by the fact that she's been only playing 2 a year lately. :rolleyes:
That's because Venus wins mostly Tier II's, and a large part of her wins come from the Summer Cali Hard season... which is all Tier II's.

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:41 PM
es verdad;)!

but I think Venus will win more San Diego titles, which we all know will be a Tier I next year;)

RAA
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:42 PM
Monica's stats are just unbelievable..
53 freakin' titles! 9 Grand slams. its quite incredible...

I was impressed with Conchita's 9 Tier 1s. that is quite impressive too - she has more than serena and kim put together in terms of Tier 1s.

RAA
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:45 PM
does anyone remember the thread on this board like 2 years ago which was entitled something like "WHEN will Hingis PASS Seles in terms of titles?"

I only bring that thread up because it was just amazing how quickly hingis was gobbling up those titles a few years ago. and seles was winning one every now and then so it did seem inevitable, to some, that hingis would catch her.

now they are BOTH out of tennis (one more permanently than the other..) (but hingis never did catch monica...)

another example of how unpredictable life, and tennis life, is...

controlfreak
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:47 PM
Did you know that Maleeva is the only player in the top 20 never to have reached a GS QF?

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:47 PM
does anyone remember the thread on this board like 2 years ago which was entitled something like "WHEN will Hingis PASS Seles in terms of titles?"

I only bring that thread up because it was just amazing how quickly hingis was gobbling up those titles a few years ago. and seles was winning one every now and then so it did seem inevitable, to some, that hingis would catch her.

now they are BOTH out of tennis (one more permanently than the other..) (but hingis never did catch monica...)

another example of how unpredictable life, and tennis life, is...

Scary ain´t it?! The saddest victim of unpredictability may well be Seles!! Who would have thought she would end her career with " only" 9 slams?!

raquel
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:39 PM
Did you know that Maleeva is the only player in the top 20 never to have reached a GS QF?
Maggie got to the 1992 US Open quarterfinal, but that's her only one.

croat123
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:23 PM
iva just missed the cut my 1 title

Rtael
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Maggie got to the 1992 US Open quarterfinal, but that's her only one.

yep...and something more worthy then just a GS QF....she beat Martina N. in a grand slam! )1994 USO I think....not sure though)

raquel
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:04 PM
yep...and something more worthy then just a GS QF....she beat Martina N. in a grand slam! )1994 USO I think....not sure though)
She actually beat Martina at the 1992 US Open to make the QF

1R d. Kroupova 6-2, 6-1
2R d. Navratilova 6-4, 0-6, 6-3
3R d. Po 6-2, 6-3
4R d. Rubin 7-5, 5-7, 6-1
QF lost Maleeva-Fragniere 6-2 5-3 retd. :sad:

Ryan
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:23 PM
Very interesting to see those title updates, and Kim's only 2 Tier 1's came this year. :eek:



Conchita has more Tier 1's then most players on that list. :o Martina with 15, :eek:

spiceboy
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:55 PM
Monica has actually 9 Tier I titles:

*Key Biscaine 90, 91
*Italian Open 90, 00
*German Open 90
*Canadian Open 95, 96, 97, 98

She won Indian Wells 92' but at that time this was a Tier II ;)

Martina's 15 titles in Tier I are good but far away from Navratilova's 31 (1980-1993) and Steffi's 30 (1986-1996) :eek: :eek: :eek:

Tier I ranking:

1*Navratilova 31
2*Graf 30
3*Hingis 15 (97-01)
4T*Evert 11 (81-88)
4T*Sabatini 11 (87-92)
6T*Conchita 9 (92-96)
6T*Seles 9 (90-00)
8*Davenport 8 (97-03)
9T*Arantxa 6 (92-96)
9T*Serena 6 (99-03)


Lowest-ranked Tier I Champions:

1*Iva Majoli #58 Charleston 2002
2*Lisa Bonder #54 Tokyo 1983
3*Daniela Hantuchova #26 Indian Wells 2002
4T*Jelena Dokic #23 Italian Open 2001
4T*Magdalena Maleeva #23 Moscow 2002
6*Serena Williams #21 Indian Wells 1999


Lowest-ranked Tier I Finalist:

1*Jennifer Capriati :eek: Unranked :eek: Hilton Head 1990
2*Dianne Balestrat #76 Australian indoors 1985
3*Larissa Neiland #74 Tokyo 1994
4*Amelie Mauresmo #65 German Open 1998
5*Lori McNeil #63 Philadelphia 1995
6*Karina Habsudova #54 German Open 1996

spiceboy
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:14 AM
From the current top 12 WTA players only Davenport, Myskina, Rubin, Maleeva & Dementieva have played at least once all Tier I tournaments.

Kim has never played in Tokyo, Hilton Head/Charleston, Moscow & Zurich
Serena has never played in Tokyo
Justine has never played in Tokyo & Zurich
Venus has never played in Tokyo & Hilton Head/Charleston
Amelie has never played in Tokyo
Jennifer has never played in Moscow
Dani has never played in Tokyo & Moscow

joaco
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:21 AM
what do you mean by World Champion?

Ryan
Aug 20th, 2003, 02:19 AM
what do you mean by World Champion?



The Season Ending Championships. ;)

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 20th, 2003, 02:44 AM
does anyone remember the thread on this board like 2 years ago which was entitled something like "WHEN will Hingis PASS Seles in terms of titles?"

I only bring that thread up because it was just amazing how quickly hingis was gobbling up those titles a few years ago. and seles was winning one every now and then so it did seem inevitable, to some, that hingis would catch her.

now they are BOTH out of tennis (one more permanently than the other..) (but hingis never did catch monica...)

another example of how unpredictable life, and tennis life, is...

:wavey: Agree with that post;) Yes, as a matter of fact, I believe I was the one who started that thread;) It was also amazing that we were all calculating as to when Martina will catch Monica, some said 2004, some 2005 and she might've possibly done it this year with the rate Hingis was racking up titles from 1997-2000;) It is unfortunate.....and life is terribly unpredictable.

treufreund
Aug 20th, 2003, 06:20 AM
i like Hingis's stats for the variety of different tournaments she played, the high total number of titles over a short period and the high percentages of big tournaments amongs her titles (22/40 or 55%of her titles were Grand Slams, Tier I's or the season-ending Championships!) :eek:


Serena has nearly 57% of her titles being big tourneys!!! All of the other players lag way behind percentagewise.

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 20th, 2003, 07:06 AM
Martina Hingis won all of the 9 Tier I's available when she was active.

1997,1999,2000,2002 Tokyo

1998 Indian Wells

1997,2000 Miami

1997,1999 Hilton Head

1999 German Open

1998 Italian Open

1999,2000 Canadian Open

2000 Zurich

2000 Moscow

.............really she'd won everything there is to win, but that Roland Gaross:( that will be forever missing in her crown jewels (unless of course she gets inspired and pulls a Monica or a Jen :lol: :kiss::). Martina also never really cared about the Olympics. She would've had a great chance to medalling in 2000 Sydney!

bello
Aug 20th, 2003, 08:35 AM
-JEN-you were incredible to be a finalist in tier 1 without a ranking and at 14 yrs old..wow imagine what you would have done if no burnout!!!!!!!! :(
-MONICA-legend, imagine no stabbing!!
_GABY-just..imagine...

jenglisbe
Aug 21st, 2003, 06:55 PM
Many of these players have been contenders for years (remember Serena won her first major 4 years ago), while Kim has only become a real top player in the past 2 years.

She only has two Tier 1 events, but both are this year. How many Tier 1 events has Serena won in the past year? What she won in 2001 has no bearing on the current rankings ;)

Infiniti2001
Aug 21st, 2003, 07:08 PM
Didn't Serena win Nasdaq in 2002 and this year as well? The last time I checked Nasdaq100 was listed as a tier 1

jenglisbe
Aug 21st, 2003, 07:22 PM
Infiniti - there's one for her. Name some others...

bandabou
Aug 21st, 2003, 07:32 PM
Many of these players have been contenders for years (remember Serena won her first major 4 years ago), while Kim has only become a real top player in the past 2 years.

She only has two Tier 1 events, but both are this year. How many Tier 1 events has Serena won in the past year? What she won in 2001 has no bearing on the current rankings ;)

Now that is too easy,no?! Still Serena has won a tier I almost every year since ´99....only in ´00 she failed to win a tier I!

bandabou
Aug 21st, 2003, 07:37 PM
Monica has actually 9 Tier I titles:

*Key Biscaine 90, 91
*Italian Open 90, 00
*German Open 90
*Canadian Open 95, 96, 97, 98

She won Indian Wells 92' but at that time this was a Tier II ;)

Martina's 15 titles in Tier I are good but far away from Navratilova's 31 (1980-1993) and Steffi's 30 (1986-1996) :eek: :eek: :eek:

Tier I ranking:

1*Navratilova 31
2*Graf 30
3*Hingis 15 (97-01)
4T*Evert 11 (81-88)
4T*Sabatini 11 (87-92)
6T*Conchita 9 (92-96)
6T*Seles 9 (90-00)
8*Davenport 8 (97-03)
9T*Arantxa 6 (92-96)
9T*Serena 6 (99-03)


Lowest-ranked Tier I Champions:

1*Iva Majoli #58 Charleston 2002
2*Lisa Bonder #54 Tokyo 1983
3*Daniela Hantuchova #26 Indian Wells 2002
4T*Jelena Dokic #23 Italian Open 2001
4T*Magdalena Maleeva #23 Moscow 2002
6*Serena Williams #21 Indian Wells 1999


Lowest-ranked Tier I Finalist:

1*Jennifer Capriati :eek: Unranked :eek: Hilton Head 1990
2*Dianne Balestrat #76 Australian indoors 1985
3*Larissa Neiland #74 Tokyo 1994
4*Amelie Mauresmo #65 German Open 1998
5*Lori McNeil #63 Philadelphia 1995
6*Karina Habsudova #54 German Open 1996

And Serena did it in style: Beatin Steffi Graf in the finals for your first Tier I as a 16 year old!! Doesn´t get much better than that!

Serena sure was on a hot streak back then. She nearly won three tournaments in a row( including the IW´s/ Lipton double): Paris, IW before losing to Venus in Lipton( the first ( of many!!)all-sister final)