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Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:34 PM
The website has the two-time defending champion Kim Clijsters, the 2002 runner-up Magdalena Maleeva, and Elena Dementieva committed to the 225K Tier III event :D

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:39 PM
A number 1 playing a tier III (if she still is at that time)? When Venus played Gold Coast there were no Tier II at the same time, but isn't it another Tier II the same week as the Seat Open?

Yeah, Linz is playing the same week. Luxembourg was Kim's first WTA title, so I'm assuming it has a lot of sentimental feelings for her. Plus, she likes the tournament because its semi-close to home...I hear she drives to this event...but this is an upgraded Tier III event.

Come-on-kim
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:09 PM
Kim said she prefers to play tournaments she likes then tournament were she can gain money! She said luxembourg was a really good tournament and that she'll try to come back every year!! She won in 1999, 2001 and 2002 and was quarterfinalist in 2000!

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:14 PM
Yeah, yeah....sentiments, sentiments. But weīre talking about the WORLD NO.1 here!! Whatīs the world no.1 doing at a tier III?!

Pluuuuzzzz! Just another effort to win another easy title and it must be easy....Kim winning it 3 out 4 years..

Venus Forever
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:15 PM
I'm sorry, but there is no way a #1 player should be allowed to play a Tier 3 event when there is a higher level event that same week.

That's just unfair to the lower ranked players.

Give the other players a chance, Kim.

treufreund
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:21 PM
wtf? venus played in a tier IV and Hingis and Seles have played Doha which is tier III, juju and kim were in the finals of Rosmalen a tier III. Sentimental value and commitment to a tournament's success is a good thing. Kim could probably go to Linz and get to the finals or win the finals and get just as many or way more points but if she wants to play in Luxembourg close to her home in Belgium more power to her. :D

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:22 PM
I'm sorry, but there is no way a #1 player should be allowed to play a Tier 3 event when there is a higher level event that same week.

That's just unfair to the lower ranked players.

Give the other players a chance, Kim.

Word! But this is nothing new.....before the past 52 weeks, Kim was the queen of tier IIIīs. Only this year she won her FIRST tier I. After like FOUR years on tour! And people wanna compare her to Venus or Serena?!

jenglisbe
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:24 PM
bandabou - And what's a smart-ass like you doing constantly criticizing a #1 player? Maybe once you reach #1 (or even #200) you will have room to talk :rolleyes:

I, for one, think it's great :) It's nice to see top players returning favors/sentiments, and you know it helps the Seat Open a lot to have a big draw like Clijsters. Kudos to her for not chasing money - or points. You say it's unfair to lower-ranked players, but I think it's the opposite. She is only taking away one position in the draw, and in the larger picture she helps bring the tournament more money and prestige, which in turns filters down to the other players at the event (and helps the event stay on the calendar).

lizchris
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:29 PM
I, too, find it strange that a number one player (we assume she will be number one by then) would play a Tier III event when there is a Tier II event playing at the same time. Venus played a Tier III event last year where there was on Tier II event playing at the same time (Justine played there too) and it was the first time Venus played a Tier III event in about three or four years. In addition, Venus was not the world number one when she played that Tier III event.

jenglisbe
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:34 PM
Why does it matter what events she plays? I don't see what the big deal is. She likes the tournament and wants to support them - so what? Hell, Clijsters only hurts herself because less points are available. I would think you all would be happy.

Venus Forever
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:34 PM
wtf? venus played in a tier IV and Hingis and Seles have played Doha which is tier III, juju and kim were in the finals of Rosmalen a tier III. Sentimental value and commitment to a tournament's success is a good thing. Kim could probably go to Linz and get to the finals or win the finals and get just as many or way more points but if she wants to play in Luxembourg close to her home in Belgium more power to her. :D

Correction, Venus played a Tier III. ;)

Oh, and there was no Tier II or higher playing at the same week, otherwise Venus would have played that instead.

I don't care how much you like a tournament, but it's time to move on when you're the #1 player playing a Tier III event when there is another higher event that week. I mean, if Serena did this, for get about it. She would be scolded for years to come.

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:36 PM
I cant believe Kim is going back their, its like taking Candy from babys, but go Maggie and Alyona!

Whatzup
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:36 PM
Martina Hingis played in Rosmalen 3 years ago as #1! :D

jenglisbe
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:40 PM
VenusForever - Why should Kim move on?

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Martina Hingis played in Rosmalen 3 years ago as #1! :D

Rosmalin like BMH is a high quality tier 3 event on grass, and always gets a good field. It provides more match practise then Eastborne as the draw is bigger. It also has a lot of pretige in Europe.

But the Seat Open?

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:44 PM
Whatīs next?! Playing at the first challenger she won?! Pluuzzzz!!

Venus Forever
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:45 PM
VenusForever - Why should Kim move on?

Because she is ranked #1.

The best player in the world is playing the smallest event of the week?? Does that make any sense??

If she's the best player in the world, she should be playing the highest level of competition, which would be at the Tier 2 that week. She shouldn't be playing "baby" tennis compared to her league.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:45 PM
bandabou - And what's a smart-ass like you doing constantly criticizing a #1 player? Maybe once you reach #1 (or even #200) you will have room to talk :rolleyes:

I, for one, think it's great :) It's nice to see top players returning favors/sentiments, and you know it helps the Seat Open a lot to have a big draw like Clijsters. Kudos to her for not chasing money - or points. You say it's unfair to lower-ranked players, but I think it's the opposite. She is only taking away one position in the draw, and in the larger picture she helps bring the tournament more money and prestige, which in turns filters down to the other players at the event (and helps the event stay on the calendar).

Oh like that, huh?! And what gives YOU the right to speak?! Or are you the no 530 or something ranked Kirsten Flipkens or Elke Clijsters?!

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:47 PM
Because she is ranked #1.

The best player in the world is playing the smallest event of the week?? Does that make any sense??

If she's the best player in the world, she should be playing the highest level of competition, which would be at the Tier 2 that week. She shouldn't be playing "baby" tennis compared to her league.

Exactly! Whatīs she gaining by beating the Maleevaīs and Radiantevyīs of this world?!

Can you imagine the world no.1 and if Venus withdraws possible Open champ playing in LUXEMBOURGH?! Hell Luxembourgh is smaller than Belgium....that must be telling.

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:48 PM
This is funny how posters are scolding her for being No. 1 and playing at a Tier III when most of these people don't even think she's a real No. 1 :rolleyes:

Its because that Kim has played here the past 4 years that the tournament has been a success and has actually been able to increase their prize money. Correct me if I'm wrong but this HELPS lower ranked players because they're going to get more money per round.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:50 PM
This is funny how posters are scolding her for being No. 1 and playing at a Tier III when most of these people don't even think she's a real No. 1 :rolleyes:

Its because that Kim has played here the past 4 years that the tournament has been a success and has actually been able to increase their prize money. Correct me if I'm wrong but this HELPS lower ranked players because they're going to get more money per round.

Oh thatīs why! Almost forgot about that: She AINīT the BEST player after all. So she needs to go on beating some Maleevas to boost her ego.

ans
Aug 19th, 2003, 07:58 PM
Bandabou, pleaaaase, shut up.
The others, stop it too 'cause it's never good for you.
- Kim plays so many tournaments ---> bad Kim, she's after the money and the ranking points
- Kim plays a tier III tournament with low prize money and not many points to gain---> bad Kim, what are you doing?? :rolleyes:

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:03 PM
Oh thatīs why! Almost forgot about that: She AINīT the BEST player after all. So she needs to go on beating some Maleevas to boost her ego.

Venus Williams (USA) vs. Magdalena Maleeva (BUL)
1995-10-30 Oakland Indoor Carpet QF Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 6-2 6-3
1998-01-12 Sydney Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-2 6-2
2001-02-12 Nice Indoor Carpet SF Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 7-6(8) 6-4
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R16 Venus Williams (USA) 6-0 6-3
2002-09-30 Moscow Indoor Carpet R16 Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 2-6 6-1 7-6(3)
Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) leads 3:2

Wow, Maggie really sucks indoors :rolleyes:

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:06 PM
And who won Moscow over three top 10 players? Its not Kim's fault that she can beat Maggie indoors and other top 10 players can't :rolleyes:

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:09 PM
Bandabou, pleaaaase, shut up.
The others, stop it too 'cause it's never good for you.
- Kim plays so many tournaments ---> bad Kim, she's after the money and the ranking points
- Kim plays a tier III tournament with low prize money and not many points to gain---> bad Kim, what are you doing?? :rolleyes:

Hey Ans...how r u girl?! Alles kits?! Je weet het he: Laat je niet kisten!!

Itīs just that tier III and no.1 doesnīt sound good together.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Venus Williams (USA) vs. Magdalena Maleeva (BUL)
1995-10-30 Oakland Indoor Carpet QF Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 6-2 6-3
1998-01-12 Sydney Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-2 6-2
2001-02-12 Nice Indoor Carpet SF Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 7-6(8) 6-4
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R16 Venus Williams (USA) 6-0 6-3
2002-09-30 Moscow Indoor Carpet R16 Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 2-6 6-1 7-6(3)
Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) leads 3:2

Wow, Maggie really sucks indoors :rolleyes:

Ah like that,huh?!

what about this one:


Venus WILLIAMS (USA) v Kim CLIJSTERS (BEL)

2001 U.S. Open Hard (O) QF Venus WILLIAMS 6-3 6-1
2002 Hamburg Clay (O) FR Kim CLIJSTERS 6-1 3-6 4-6
2002 Stanford Hard (O) FR Venus WILLIAMS 6-3 6-3
2002 San Diego Hard (O) QF Venus WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-4
2002 W.T.A. Tour Championships Hard (I) SF Kim CLIJSTERS 0-5 Retired
2003 Antwerp Carpet (I) FR Venus WILLIAMS 6-2 6-4
2003 Wimbledon Grass (O) SF Venus WILLIAMS 4-6 6-3 6-1

Venus WILLIAMS (USA) leads 5 : 2


How does THAT one look?!

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:19 PM
Ah like that,huh?!

what about this one:


Venus WILLIAMS (USA) v Kim CLIJSTERS (BEL)

2001 U.S. Open Hard (O) QF Venus WILLIAMS 6-3 6-1
2002 Hamburg Clay (O) FR Kim CLIJSTERS 6-1 3-6 4-6
2002 Stanford Hard (O) FR Venus WILLIAMS 6-3 6-3
2002 San Diego Hard (O) QF Venus WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-4
2002 W.T.A. Tour Championships Hard (I) SF Kim CLIJSTERS 0-5 Retired
2003 Antwerp Carpet (I) FR Venus WILLIAMS 6-2 6-4
2003 Wimbledon Grass (O) SF Venus WILLIAMS 4-6 6-3 6-1

Venus WILLIAMS (USA) leads 5 : 2


How does THAT one look?!

You missed the point of my post, but what else is new :rolleyes: :wavey:

Hazy
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:19 PM
How does THAT one look?!

That one looks irrelevant to the current discussion.

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:20 PM
That one looks irrelevant to the current discussion.

:bounce:

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:25 PM
You missed the point of my post, but what else is new :rolleyes: :wavey:

I know exactly what you meant: Maleeva is no slouch of an opponent... Yeah, so Venus has a losing record against Maleeva on indoors. So what?! And what has she done against Venus on other surfaces?!

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:26 PM
That one looks irrelevant to the current discussion.

It wasnīt irrelevant because the discussion wasnīt about Venus. So if one can include the Maleeva-Venus h2h....I can do the same with the Kim-Venus h2h, no?!

Hazy
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:31 PM
It wasnīt irrelevant because the discussion wasnīt about Venus. So if one can include the Maleeva-Venus h2h....I can do the same with the Kim-Venus h2h, no?!

Oh thatīs why! Almost forgot about that: She AINīT the BEST player after all. So she needs to go on beating some Maleevas to boost her ego.

The above quote shows why the Venus-Maleeva h2h (and especially indoors) was relevant. If you still don't get it, i'm sorry.

ans
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:32 PM
Hey Ans...how r u girl?! Alles kits?! Je weet het he: Laat je niet kisten!!

Itīs just that tier III and no.1 doesnīt sound good together.

:wavey: I'm fine :) Didn't get my driving licence today so I'm a bit :mad:

Anyway, please leave Kim alone for once. The girl should lock herself up somewhere without doing anything and you would still find something to pick on. Let her play that tier III event if she likes it. If she wouldn't play the Seat Open I know what everyone would say:
"Look at her, now that she's number one the tournament is not good anough anymore for her. She's so arrogant."
Am I right? Yes, ans, you are. :angel:

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:32 PM
Oh thatīs why! Almost forgot about that: She AINīT the BEST player after all. So she needs to go on beating some Maleevas to boost her ego.

I'm just saying that Maleeva is no slouch indoors and should be taken seriously...if she was such a pushover, she wouldn't have won Moscow last year. Maleeva is a worthy opponent and should be a good challenge to Kim here.

Schalckske
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:35 PM
I know exactly what you meant: Maleeva is no slouch of an opponent... Yeah, so Venus has a losing record against Maleeva on indoors. So what?! And what has she done against Venus on other surfaces?!

As luxembourg is indoors, and the discussion handles about Maleeva/indoors, other surfaces also are totally irrelevant...

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:35 PM
Petty. Petty. Petty.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:36 PM
:wavey: I'm fine :) Didn't get my driving licence today so I'm a bit :mad:

Anyway, please leave Kim alone for once. The girl should lock herself up somewhere without doing anything and you would still find something to pick on. Let her play that tier III event if she likes it. If she wouldn't play the Seat Open I know what everyone would say:
"Look at her, now that she's number one the tournament is not good anough anymore for her. She's so arrogant."
Am I right? Yes, ans, you are. :angel:

Iīm sorry about that driving licence. You still had too many coca colas from Kimīs becoming no.1 party! ;)

I guess youīre right about that arrogance thing...but still IMO the no.1 must play against the thougher competition.

RAA
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:36 PM
okay, I think we should cut kim a little slack here.
she appears to be playing this tourney cuz its relatively close to home and she has some sentimental ties to it. no biggie. if she was playing multiple tier IIIs in the coming year, then I would say she is not doing the "right" thing. but this one seems sort of like a once a year thing for her.

Venus played lots of tier IIs when she was #1, no? so what? do you think she should ONLY have played Tier 1s and GSs? she chose the tournaments that suited her..

it does help establish/develop a tourney if a top player(s) attend...you have to admit that Kim probably has more drawing power than Maggie Maleeva...

I agree its a little tough on the lower ranked players that she is playing a Tier III, especially since Kim plays sooo many other tourneys during the year. but, overall I think its fine for kim to play this tourney.

let not get all our knickers in a twist for nothing.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:37 PM
I'm just saying that Maleeva is no slouch indoors and should be taken seriously...if she was such a pushover, she wouldn't have won Moscow last year. Maleeva is a worthy opponent and should be a good challenge to Kim here.

A worthy opponent?! Maybe....but letīs see. Kimīs best surface is indoors. Maleevaīs best surface is indoors. But the ranking difference is like 20?! places....you do the math.

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:41 PM
A worthy opponent?! Maybe....but letīs see. Kimīs best surface is indoors. Maleevaīs best surface is indoors. But the ranking difference is like 20?! places....you do the math.

Uh, that the tour is dominated by outdoor hardcourt events, that's what my math tells me :D

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:44 PM
Uh, that the tour is dominated by outdoor hardcourt events, that's what my math tells me :D

Yep, too bad for Kim?! Canīt play indoors all year long, but not even that would help Kim. Antwerp is indoors too, huh?!

Venus Forever
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:48 PM
okay, I think we should cut kim a little slack here.
she appears to be playing this tourney cuz its relatively close to home and she has some sentimental ties to it. no biggie. if she was playing multiple tier IIIs in the coming year, then I would say she is not doing the "right" thing. but this one seems sort of like a once a year thing for her.

Venus played lots of tier IIs when she was #1, no? so what? do you think she should ONLY have played Tier 1s and GSs? she chose the tournaments that suited her..

it does help establish/develop a tourney if a top player(s) attend...you have to admit that Kim probably has more drawing power than Maggie Maleeva...

I agree its a little tough on the lower ranked players that she is playing a Tier III, especially since Kim plays sooo many other tourneys during the year. but, overall I think its fine for kim to play this tourney.

let not get all our knickers in a twist for nothing.

Uhh, how can you compare Venus playing many Tier II's to Kim playing Tier III's?? ALL of the top players play Tier II's. NONE of the top players, except Kim and Justine :rolleyes: , play Tier III's.

Tier III's were designed for players who's ranking wasn't high enough to get into the higher level tiers. But, of course, this will not work when you have the #1 player in the world taking up a spot specifically designed for those ranked no where near the top.

Tier III's SHOULD be for players who are trying to build on their ranking and who are trying to gain some confidence on the tour. It should NOT be for players who just want to add some cash to their purse, cuz we know she ain't coming here for the points.

I don't know, but this is how I feel. Leave the little tournaments for those who can't get into the bigger ones. Play some higher level tennis, Kim; don't settle for the baby prize.

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:51 PM
Yep, too bad for Kim?! Canīt play indoors all year long, but not even that would help Kim. Antwerp is indoors too, huh?!

:lol: I'm not even going to give a proper response to this :D

RAA
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:53 PM
Venus forever,
I wasn't REALLY comparing Venus playing Tier IIs to Kim playing a Tier III.. I was just using it to illustrate the fact that the top players use a lot of different criteria for selecting their tournaments. Venus has never been one to run after ranking points and so she chose to play some tier IIs whilst Serena was going crazy on the tier ones.

I agree that tier IIIs are for lower ranked players who can't get into the higher tiered tournaments. I just think that I'm not quite as indignant about Kim playing this ONE tier III as you are.. if she makes a habit out of it, then I'll get more indignant about it.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:56 PM
:lol: I'm not even going to give a proper response to this :D

If my memory serve me itīs played at the Sportpaleis in February, so thereīs noway it could be outdoors. Still Kim got her ass kicked....

Only said this īcause you came with the" tour is dominated by outdoor hardcourt players" crap.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:57 PM
Venus forever,
I wasn't REALLY comparing Venus playing Tier IIs to Kim playing a Tier III.. I was just using it to illustrate the fact that the top players use a lot of different criteria for selecting their tournaments. Venus has never been one to run after ranking points and so she chose to play some tier IIs whilst Serena was going crazy on the tier ones.

I agree that tier IIIs are for lower ranked players who can't get into the higher tiered tournaments. I just think that I'm not quite as indignant about Kim playing this ONE tier III as you are.. if she makes a habit out of it, then I'll get more indignant about it.

By next year it wonīt matter where she plays, īcause she wonīt be no.1 anyway.

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 08:59 PM
Venus forever,
I wasn't REALLY comparing Venus playing Tier IIs to Kim playing a Tier III.. I was just using it to illustrate the fact that the top players use a lot of different criteria for selecting their tournaments. Venus has never been one to run after ranking points and so she chose to play some tier IIs whilst Serena was going crazy on the tier ones.

I agree that tier IIIs are for lower ranked players who can't get into the higher tiered tournaments. I just think that I'm not quite as indignant about Kim playing this ONE tier III as you are.. if she makes a habit out of it, then I'll get more indignant about it.

Well for the longest time, Venus was playing Oklahoma, a Tier III year after year...this was when she was highly ranked. She did this because it was her first tournament win and she enjoyed the tournament there...I don't see why Kim can't do the same. Kim only plays two Tier III events per year...that's not that much. s-Hertogenbosch is a grass event so that's acceptable in my opinion...so is chosing to play Goldcoast.

There are other top players that used to play a lot of lower tier events...and it was more obvious for her that she was doing it for the money and the easy points. I'm not going to mention any names because I don't want to drag her into the mix.

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:01 PM
If my memory serve me itīs played at the Sportpaleis in February, so thereīs noway it could be outdoors. Still Kim got her ass kicked....

Only said this īcause you came with the" tour is dominated by outdoor hardcourt players" crap.

With every response you write, I get more and more confused with your logic. If some other poster can help me decipher bandabou's messages, that would be greatly appreciated :D

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:04 PM
With every response you write, I get more and more confused with your logic. If some other poster can help me decipher bandabou's messages, that would be greatly appreciated :D

Tennisace donīt start fooling yourself around now. You acted like if it would be indoors all the year, then that Kim would dominate!

Hazy
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:04 PM
With every response you write, I get more and more confused with your logic. If some other poster can help me decipher bandabou's messages, that would be greatly appreciated :D

All of bandabou's posts can be summarized in 2 simple statements:

1) Kim sucks

2) Serena & Venus are the best ever.

gmak
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:05 PM
some people are so desperate kim is at No1 :P

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:07 PM
Tennisace donīt start fooling yourself around now. You acted like if it would be indoors all the year, then that Kim would dominate!

HAHAHA, I never said that at all, great comprehension skills...my response that the tour was dominated by hardcourt events was to explain why Maggie is ranked in the top 20 and not higher :rolleyes:

Tennisace
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:09 PM
BTW, Maggie is ranked No. 11, if my math serves me right that's not 20 places below Kim :D

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:12 PM
HAHAHA, I never said that at all, great comprehension skills...my response that the tour was dominated by hardcourt events was to explain why Maggie is ranked in the top 20 and not higher :rolleyes:

Well then you have to finish your sentences.

controlfreak
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:19 PM
Well I just hope Kim has somewhere to park her fourth Seat if she wins this again...

jenglisbe
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:20 PM
VF - It's funny to me that you think Kim should play the best event of the week - which is a Tier II event. It's not like she's skipping the U.S Open to play in Indonesia :rolleyes:

Hell, Kim plays nearly every Tier I event on the calendar and plays more than most top players. That's more than we can say for a certain set of sisters who have spent time at #1. My guess is you all never criticized them for skipping large events, though ;)

Has Venus ever played Charleston? Has either sister played in Moscow? What about Tokyo? They also haven't played in Indian Wells recently. Oh, that's right - because the event wasn't kind to them?? Well, Luxembourg has been kind to Kim. If rudeness is a reason to skip an event, then niceness has to be a reason to play one ;)

jenglisbe
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:21 PM
bandaboy - indoors isn't a surface ;) LOL!

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:34 PM
All of bandabou's posts can be summarized in 2 simple statements:

1) Kim sucks

2) Serena & Venus are the best ever.

About no.2 arenīt they the best of their generation or Iīm missing something?!

Never said that Kim sucks......itīs just that it ainīt right that the probably no. sixth on the all-time list has achieved so little...it demeans the worth of no.1 IMO.

Diya
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Oh how some of these posters here wish that Kim actually gave a damn about what they think about her playing a tier3 tournament that she actually loves :rolleyes:

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:40 PM
VF - It's funny to me that you think Kim should play the best event of the week - which is a Tier II event. It's not like she's skipping the U.S Open to play in Indonesia :rolleyes:

Hell, Kim plays nearly every Tier I event on the calendar and plays more than most top players. That's more than we can say for a certain set of sisters who have spent time at #1. My guess is you all never criticized them for skipping large events, though ;)

Has Venus ever played Charleston? Has either sister played in Moscow? What about Tokyo? They also haven't played in Indian Wells recently. Oh, that's right - because the event wasn't kind to them?? Well, Luxembourg has been kind to Kim. If rudeness is a reason to skip an event, then niceness has to be a reason to play one ;)

How foolish is that?! Kim plays all the tier Iīs and how many has she won?! Exactly TWO for her CAREER! The sisters donīt play that many tier Iīs, but the oneīs they play they win them all. NAsdaq....three years running with a Williams and FIVE of the last SIX winners have been WILLIAMS!! More than Kim can and will ever be able to say.

Toronto..Serenaīs played three times..three times in the finals and one title...could have been TWO, but the first one she got injured when she was smoking Hingis... does this tell you someting: 6-0 3-0 against the world no.1?!

Heck even IWīs....Serena already has two titles( tied for most on the list with Graf and Davenport!) and would have been more, but she ainīt going where people donīt like her.

Hazy
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:41 PM
About no.2 arenīt they the best of their generation or Iīm missing something?!

Never said that Kim sucks......itīs just that it ainīt right that the probably no. sixth on the all-time list has achieved so little...it demeans the worth of no.1 IMO.

This may or may not be true but you certainly have a right to voice your opinion. It just gets extremely boring if you say the same things over & over & over again...

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:42 PM
This may or may not be true and you certainly have a right to voice your opinion. It just gets extremely boring if you say the same things over & over & over again...

No, no may or may not be..answer the question. Are they or are they not?! Either they are or they arenīt.

Hazy
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:44 PM
No, no may or may not be..answer the question. Are they or are they not?! Either they are or they arenīt.

So far they're the best of their generation. But there's a lot of tennis left to play.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:45 PM
So far they're the best of their generation. But there's a lot of tennis left to play.

Ok dan! That could either be: More time for them to become even greater or for the other generation compratiots to catch up.

Venus Forever
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:47 PM
VF - It's funny to me that you think Kim should play the best event of the week - which is a Tier II event. It's not like she's skipping the U.S Open to play in Indonesia :rolleyes:

Hell, Kim plays nearly every Tier I event on the calendar and plays more than most top players. That's more than we can say for a certain set of sisters who have spent time at #1. My guess is you all never criticized them for skipping large events, though ;)

Has Venus ever played Charleston? Has either sister played in Moscow? What about Tokyo? They also haven't played in Indian Wells recently. Oh, that's right - because the event wasn't kind to them?? Well, Luxembourg has been kind to Kim. If rudeness is a reason to skip an event, then niceness has to be a reason to play one ;)

This is really the most ridiculous thread yet.

No one is telling Kim to play many Tier I's, or play more of them. We're telling her to play the highest tier when it's possible.

The world #1 playing in a Tier III event when a Tier II is available that week?!?! That's just insane. The Tier III is going to be weak as hell, minus Kim. It's an easy victory. Play where there is at least more competition, at a Tier II.

I don't understand what skipping other Tier I's by other players has anything to do with Kim playing a lower Tier over a higher Tier. Doesn't make sense here, as it has NOTHING to do with the argument we're providing.

Niceness is a reason to play. Heck, I'm sure most of the tournaments on the tour are nice, should we play them all?? There should be bounderies; and the World #1 playing a Tier III event when there is a higher Tier event that same week is one boundary that should not be crossed.

~|Naomi|~
Aug 20th, 2003, 02:16 AM
Bandabou simply hates seeing 1 next to Kim's name and for that reason he is the biggest antagonist on this board. He loves antagonising Kim fans, so Kim fans just ignore him, like Kim could give a shit what someone like him thinks anyway

If Kim wants to play Luxembourg good for her,

AND SOMETHING YOU HAVE ALL OVERLOOKED HERE IS THAT KIM, COMMITTED TO THIS TOURNAMENT BEFORE GETTING TO 1

Come-on-kim
Aug 20th, 2003, 06:28 AM
COME ON, in Belgium, we only have 1 tournament? all right? Luxembourg and The Netherlands, are very close to us! So that's normal the Belgians plays those tournaments as they want to be near home and near their country fans!

This isn't a problem for the American as there're plenty of tournament in America!

great smash
Aug 20th, 2003, 08:15 AM
Not that it matters anyway, because I respect Kim's decision to support this tournament, but has it ever occured that it's not the #1 asking for a late wild card into the tournament, but that a player has to commited to 10 tournaments for the next year before the end of the US Open.

If you take into account it's hardly as if the #1 in the world committed to this tournament. At the time she did it she was just ranked as #9 on the gold exempt list.

Following the rules, a player ranked 7-10 is forced to play at least 1 tier III, So maybe that's just what she's doing, on top of liking the event.

Venus Forever
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:20 PM
Following the rules, a player ranked 7-10 is forced to play at least 1 tier III, So maybe that's just what she's doing, on top of liking the event.

First, I never heard of that rule. :confused:

Second, Kim already has a Tier III to her name this year, so this is an extra Tier III she's playing.

Come-on-Kim, Belgium has one WTA event, but what does Luxembourg and the Netherlands have to do with it?? Sure, they're right next to home, but, it's not her home. I think Kim should start playing those many challenger tournaments that are in Belgium. That should fulfill her urge to play at home. Heck, there's one this week, maybe she should join her sister. :rolleyes:

great smash
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:32 PM
Not that it matters anyway, because I respect Kim's decision to support this tournament, but has it ever occured that it's not the #1 asking for a late wild card into the tournament, but that a player has to commited to 10 tournaments for the next year before the end of the season

If you take into account it's hardly as if the #1 in the world committed to this tournament. At the time she did it she was just ranked as #9 on the gold exempt list.

Following the rules, a player ranked 7-10 is forced to play at least 1 tier III, So maybe that's just what she's doing, on top of liking the event.

The rule does stand. However I can announce you that this was allowed because she was only no. 9 on the Gold Exempt list.

Next year when she will be in the top 4, she will only be allowed once to play a tier III when somewhere else a tier II, tier III is taking place.

So next year she will have to chose between either Luxemburg and Rosmalen.

But so the thing you should keep in mind is that she committed to these tournaments long before she actually became #1 and is still only considered #9 on the Gold Exempt List because of her low ranking last year at the time of the USO.

phie
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:34 PM
Playing in Luxembourg is giving all her fans in Belgium the opportunity to see her playing once again. The fans don't have that much opportunities to see Kim playing, 'cause she's most part of the year far from home.
I think it's great Kim still plays in Luxembourg, while she could easily gain more points and more money somewhere else.

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:37 PM
When Venus played Gold Coast there were no Tier II at the same time

That's a pretty fucking weak excuse. Either you like #1's playing Tier III's or you don't. Kim has won this title 3 years out of 4, it's right in her backyard, and if she wanted she could go somewhere else and get MORE points. I don't think you want that.

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:38 PM
VF - It's funny to me that you think Kim should play the best event of the week - which is a Tier II event. It's not like she's skipping the U.S Open to play in Indonesia :rolleyes:

Hell, Kim plays nearly every Tier I event on the calendar and plays more than most top players. That's more than we can say for a certain set of sisters who have spent time at #1. My guess is you all never criticized them for skipping large events, though ;)

Has Venus ever played Charleston? Has either sister played in Moscow? What about Tokyo? They also haven't played in Indian Wells recently. Oh, that's right - because the event wasn't kind to them?? Well, Luxembourg has been kind to Kim. If rudeness is a reason to skip an event, then niceness has to be a reason to play one ;)

I can't Rep you right now, but you just kicked somebody's ass.

great smash
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:41 PM
Why wouldn't I want her to have more points? I don't care the number of points that she has.

Look I was just surprised to see her play a Tier III as a number one, but it's not like I actually care.

As far as commitments she shouldn't be treated as #1, she's only #9. Next year no longer the case and not even possible anymore to play 2.

propi
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:43 PM
Kim is a human and as that she has the right to choose what she wants, that's all :)

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:47 PM
Yes she has the right to choose the tournements that she wants, just like people have the right to have an opinion on the tournements she chooses to play.

OK, my opinion is that the Williams sisters skipping the 7th biggest event of the entire year is childish.

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:50 PM
Yes it is, but what does it have to do with the thread?

Just expressing my opinion on players scheduling.

great smash
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:50 PM
But I thought she commited to this event this week?

That's where I'm not completely sure how it work, but the WTA requires apparently requires you to 'pre-commit' to 10 event at the end of 2002, so maybe that's where she committed already

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:51 PM
BTW, is Kim the only player in the top 20 who gets criticized for ENTERING events?

Knizzle
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:52 PM
If Kim wants to play this tourney because it is special to her and because she likes it there what's the freaking problem with it. Can't she have a break?? Maybe it's a semi-vacation for her. I'd want to play the places that are most special to me if I was a player. It's not like she needs the points anyway. I can't believe this thread has 79 replies.

propi
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:52 PM
Yes she has the right to choose the tournements that she wants, just like people have the right to have an opinion on the tournements she chooses to play.
Of course we all are entitled to say whatever we want with limits, of course, but if that's her choice, she can be with family in a more relaxed environment good for her and her choice, I'd do the same, so many weeks away is nice to have a tourney close to home.
Plus she has always shown she's not afraid of playing anywhere in the world, she been in almost every single corner of the planet, so the reason why she plays this is only personal.

disposablehero
Aug 20th, 2003, 03:55 PM
She doesn't get criticized for entering events, people are just surprised to see that she enters a Tier III when there is a Tier II the same week.

You are surprised to see her enter a Tier III that she entered every single year of her career? She was a top 10 player in 2001 and 2002 as well, you know. This isn't exactly alien-abduction-shocking.

Tennisace
Aug 20th, 2003, 04:38 PM
If you think about it, Kim probably knows that she's not going to get any points for this event anyways...her 17th event is Luxembourg. Hence her objective is not to play for points but enjoy the tournament. Hence, she's not picking on "easy" tournaments just to get points/wins. Anyways, the Seat Open will upgrade to a Tier II in a matter of time, with Kim coming every year and her as the No. 1 player this year, its going to be packed :D

Come-on-kim
Aug 20th, 2003, 05:38 PM
First, I never heard of that rule. :confused:

Second, Kim already has a Tier III to her name this year, so this is an extra Tier III she's playing.

Come-on-Kim, Belgium has one WTA event, but what does Luxembourg and the Netherlands have to do with it?? Sure, they're right next to home, but, it's not her home. I think Kim should start playing those many challenger tournaments that are in Belgium. That should fulfill her urge to play at home. Heck, there's one this week, maybe she should join her sister. :rolleyes:
You know, it's really small! From where I live it takes me 3hours to go to 's Hertogenbosch or Luxembourg!!! So that's close to home!!