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Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 12:44 AM
Rate the top players respective areas of their game 1=worst, 10=best

Here is a template to copy/cut and paste

Serve:
Strokes:
Court Coverage:
Net:
Finesse:
Strength:
Fitness:
Mental Toughness:

My ratings:

Serena:

Serve: 10
Strokes: 9
Court Coverage: 9.5
Net: 7
Finesse: 7
Strength: 10
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 9.5

Average: 8.81

Clijsters:

Serve: 8
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 9
Net: 8
Finesse: 7.5
Strength: 8.5
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 7.5

Average: 8.25

Henin:

Serve: 8.5
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 8.5
Net: 8.5
Finesse: 9
Strentgh: 8
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 8.5

Average: 8.56

Venus:

Serve: 9
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 9.5
Net: 8.5
Finesse: 7.5
Strength: 9
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 9

Average: 8.75

Davenport:

Serve: 9
Strokes: 10
Court Coverage: 5
Net: 8
Finesse: 8
Strength: 7.5
Fitness: 7
Mental Toughness: 8

Average: 7.81


Mauresmo:

Serve: 8
Strokes: 8
Court Coverage: 8
Net: 8.5
Finesse: 8
Strength: 8.5
Fitness: 8.5
Mental Toughness: 7

Average: 8.06


Capriati:

Serve: 7
Strokes: 8
Court Coverage: 8
Net: 7.5
Finesse: 7.5
Strength: 8.5
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness: 8

Average: 7.81

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 03:03 AM
No one has any ideas??

banana
Aug 19th, 2003, 05:14 AM
Capriati an 8 for strokes and court coverage??? wtf more like 10 and 8.5, at least

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 05:30 AM
Capriati an 8 for strokes and court coverage??? wtf more like 10 and 8.5, at least

You think Capriati has better strokes than Venus and Serena?? Capriati also doesn't move as well as she used to.

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 05:31 AM
Capriati an 8 for strokes and court coverage??? wtf more like 10 and 8.5, at least

You should make a list of your own too. That's what I started the thread for, to see what other perspectives are.

Dokicfan17
Aug 19th, 2003, 05:40 AM
Serve: 7
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 7
Net: 7
Finesse:7.5
Strength: 8.5
Fitness: 7.5
Mental Toughness: 8

::: DOKIC :::

ProjectMayhem
Aug 19th, 2003, 05:46 AM
Knizzle is retarded. Apparently Venus and Davenport have more finesse than Clijsters? Then why does Clijsters have better drop shots, better, more frequent slices, and better, more frequent lobs, plus she angles the ball much more? Ugh you're stupidity astounds me. Anyway.

Wait, not anyway, I also notice how you don't even say volleys, rather, you say "net", which is ridiculously designed around the pathetic volleys of your favorites. Anyway.

Wait, you know what, I'm changing your whole list around, some things are absurd ("fitness"? For top players in the world? They're all fit, believe me, and ditto for "strength").

Serena

Serve: 10
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 9
Court Coverage: 9
Volleys: 4
Finesse: 3

Clijsters

Serve: 8/9
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 9
Court Coverage: 10
Volleys: 6
Finesse: 9

Henin

Serve: 9
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 10
Court Coverage: 9
Volleys: 9
Finesse: 10

Venus

Serve: 9
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 10
Court Coverage: 9
Volleys: 5
Finesse: 2

Capriati

Serve: 7
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 7
Court Coverage: 8
Volleys: 6
Finesse: 5

Davenport

Serve: 9
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 10
Court Coverage: 4
Volleys: 8
Finesse: 3

Mauresmo

Serve: 8
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 9
Court Coverage: 8
Volleys: 10
Finesse: 9

Myskina:

Fastest player on tour, everything else crap. :fiery:

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:04 AM
Knizzle is retarded. Apparently Venus and Davenport have more finesse than Clijsters? Then why does Clijsters have better drop shots, better, more frequent slices, and better, more frequent lobs, plus she angles the ball much more? Ugh you're stupidity astounds me. Anyway.

Wait, not anyway, I also notice how you don't even say volleys, rather, you say "net", which is ridiculously designed around the pathetic volleys of your favorites. Anyway.

Wait, you know what, I'm changing your whole list around, some things are absurd ("fitness"? For top players in the world? They're all fit, believe me, and ditto for "strength").

Serena

Serve: 10
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 9
Court Coverage: 9
Volleys: 4
Finesse: 3

Clijsters

Serve: 8/9
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 9
Court Coverage: 10
Volleys: 6
Finesse: 9

Henin

Serve: 9
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 10
Court Coverage: 9
Volleys: 9
Finesse: 10

Venus

Serve: 9
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 10
Court Coverage: 9
Volleys: 5
Finesse: 2

Capriati

Serve: 7
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 7
Court Coverage: 8
Volleys: 6
Finesse: 5

Davenport

Serve: 9
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 10
Court Coverage: 4
Volleys: 8
Finesse: 3

Mauresmo

Serve: 8
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 9
Court Coverage: 8
Volleys: 10
Finesse: 9

Myskina:

Fastest player on tour, everything else crap. :fiery:

Some players are fitter than others, and some are stronger than others. According to you Justine Henin is superwoman. There is NO way her backhand is better than Serena's or on par with Venus'. Apparently you haven't seen how Henin's backhand gets overpowered against the sisters. Clijsters is fast, but her court coverage is not as good as Venus and Serena. Clijsters can only do the splits and take a stab at most balls she runs down while V and S have time to take full swings. Venus' forehand is better than a 7. Clijsters and Henin could only wish they hit as many winners as Venus with their forehand. What happened to mental toughness?? Capriati more finesse than Venus?? That's a laugher. Your list is too biased for words.

oddkayla
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:11 AM
ProjectMayhem if you did not like the topic originally posted by Knizzle, you should not have posted. Simple!

Those are things she/he thought to include or wanted to include and everyone has a right to be respected.

Even your categories are flawed to a large degree!

ProjectMayhem
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:16 AM
Some players are fitter than others, and some are stronger than others. According to you Justine Henin is superwoman. There is NO way her backhand is better than Serena's or on par with Venus'. Apparently you haven't seen how Henin's backhand gets overpowered against the sisters.

Apparently you haven't seen Henin's game the last few months. Her backhand is nearly as powerful, but her slice is what gives it the advantage.



Clijsters is fast, but her court coverage is not as good as Venus and Serena. Clijsters can only do the splits and take a stab at most balls she runs down while V and S have time to take full swings.

That's laughable, Clijsters' split allow her to quickly regroup and change momentum, that's why you often see Venus and Serena run for a ball, and after they hit it they're in the crowd because of their momentum, but Clijsters can split and stop on a dime. You said court coverage, not sprint speed, which is clearly a Clijsters advantage with her better anticipation and footwork, and near equal speed.

Venus' forehand is better than a 7. Clijsters and Henin could only wish they hit as many winners as Venus with their forehand.

I've read some truly stupid things on this board, but this one is a real gem. Clijsters and Henin hit way more winners and less errors on their forehand, with better angle and depth. Not even a comparison.

What happened to mental toughness??

Unfortunately I don't know the mental state of all the players, and since winning and mental toughness are always idiotically catagorized together, the list would go something like Venus, Serena, and Henin as mentally tough, everyone else a frail wilting flower, or something like that.

Capriati more finesse than Venus?? That's a laugher. Your list is too biased for words.

Capriati slices more and better, drop shots more and better, lobs more and better, and volleys less but better than Venus, so yes her finesse is better than Venus'. And everyone is biased, so to say that I am too biased for words reflects more on your limited vocabulary than anything else.

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:33 AM
Apparently you haven't seen Henin's game the last few months. Her backhand is nearly as powerful, but her slice is what gives it the advantage.

She doesn't take the ball early enough with her backhand, and it results in her getting outdueled on the backhand side because she gets pushed behind the baseline, and then she gives up a short ball. Watch closely her matches and you will see.





That's laughable, Clijsters' split allow her to quickly regroup and change momentum, that's why you often see Venus and Serena run for a ball, and after they hit it they're in the crowd because of their momentum, but Clijsters can split and stop on a dime. You said court coverage, not sprint speed, which is clearly a Clijsters advantage with her better anticipation and footwork, and near equal speed.

Why is it then, that other players rarely hit alot of winners against the sisters, but you will always see the sisters hitting alot of winners against anybody?? V and S are the best from defense to offense. Clijsters doesn't do well on defense to offense because she stretchs for a stab shot at the ball sending back over the net. And moving foreward backward, diagonally, are all apart of court coverage too, not just moving laterally.



I've read some truly stupid things on this board, but this one is a real gem. Clijsters and Henin hit way more winners and less errors on their forehand, with better angle and depth. Not even a comparison.

They may hit less errors, but Venus hits FAR more winners. Clijsters may hit winners against the lower ranked players, but against the top players. Henin's forehand has improved, but she doesn't hit as many winners as Venus.



Capriati slices more and better, drop shots more and better, lobs more and better, and volleys less but better than Venus, so yes her finesse is better than Venus'. And everyone is biased, so to say that I am too biased for words reflects more on your limited vocabulary than anything else.

Capriati better volleys than Venus?? :eek: You are living in a dream world. Capriati's slice doesn't bother anyone, I don't even know why she hits it. It sits up and quacks like a sitting duck.


You are painting a picture that doesn't go anywhere in line with reality. I guess you are an abstract artist because according to you Henin and Clijsters are far better players than the WS, but for some reason they can't defeat the sisters that often.

ProjectMayhem
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:45 AM
In my opinion Henin and Clijsters ARE better players than the Williams sisters, or at least are in the process of developing into better players. However, your retardation prevents you from realizing that a players overall ability can't be judged from a list, because tennis is more intricate than that. And until you figure out the true worth of each skill, (such as, is serving not more important than volleying?), no such argument of a players' superiority can be based on numbers. For now, however, you keep pretending that Venus hits a better forehand than the Belgians.

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:55 AM
In my opinion Henin and Clijsters ARE better players than the Williams sisters, or at least are in the process of developing into better players. However, your retardation prevents you from realizing that a players overall ability can't be judged from a list, because tennis is more intricate than that. And until you figure out the true worth of each skill, (such as, is serving not more important than volleying?), no such argument of a players' superiority can be based on numbers. For now, however, you keep pretending that Venus hits a better forehand than the Belgians.

I wish Henin and Clijsters would develop already. And you made a list so you speculated as much as I did. Venus' forehand does more damage than either Beigian's. Kimmy's is better than Justine's.

Deimos
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:57 AM
*Cough*

Is there a reason why you throw the words 'retarded' and 'retardation' around so carelessly? It looks to me like Knizzle stated his views and supported them - but the clincher of your arguments seems to be that he is 'retarded' !?

MartinaI
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:39 AM
Serena:

Serve: 10
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 9
Net: 4
Finesse: 2
Strength: 10
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 8

Average: 7.6

Clijsters:

Serve: 9
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 10
Net: 7
Finesse: 4
Strength: 9
Fitness: 9.5
Mental Toughness: 6

Average: 7.9

Henin-Hardenne:

Serve: 10
Strokes: 10
Court Coverage: 9.5
Net: 9.5
Finesse: 10
Strentgh: 9.5
Fitness: 10
Mental Toughness: 9.5

Average: 9.8

Venus:

Serve: 7
Strokes: 7.5
Court Coverage: 9.5
Net: 6
Finesse: 3
Strength: 9
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 8

Average: 7.4

Davenport:

Serve: 8
Strokes: 9
Court Coverage: 4
Net: 7
Finesse: 6
Strength: 7
Fitness: 6.5
Mental Toughness: 7

Average: 6.8


Mauresmo:

Serve: 8
Strokes: 8.5
Court Coverage: 8
Net: 8.5
Finesse: 8.5
Strength: 8
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness: 7

Average: 8.1


Capriati:

Serve: 7
Strokes: 9
Court Coverage: 8.5
Net: 7
Finesse: 6
Strength: 8
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness: 8

Average: 7.7

Glenn
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:49 AM
Justine's backhand can perform heavy spin, flat and hard, slice, everything.
Venus' backhand can hit flat and hard, that's it.

Therefore Justine's backhand is the same or even better, IMO.

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:58 AM
Serena>

Serve: 10
Strokes: 10
Court Coverage: 10
Net: 5
Finesse: 3
Strength: 10
Fitness: 10
Mental Toughness: 9

My ratings: 9

Serve: 8
Strokes:10
Court Coverage: 10
Net: 6
Finesse: 6
Strength:9
Fitness: 10
Mental Toughness: 5

My ratings: 8.5

Justine

Serve: 8
Strokes:10
Court Coverage: 10
Net: 9
Finesse: 9
Strength:9
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 9

My ratings: 9

Venus

Serve: 8
Strokes: 9
Court Coverage: 10
Net: 2
Finesse:1
Strength:10
Fitness: 10
Mental Toughness: 10

My ratings: 8

Amelie

Serve:7
Strokes:9
Court Coverage:8
Net:9
Finesse:10
Strength:9
Fitness: 1 LOL
Mental Toughness:5

My ratings:8

Davenport

Serve: 10
Strokes: 10
Court Coverage: 4
Net: 5
Finesse: 2
Strength:10
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness: 8

My ratings: 7.5

Cappy

Serve: 5
Strokes:10
Court Coverage: 10
Net: 2
Finesse: 5
Strength:10
Fitness: 6
Mental Toughness: 7

My ratings:8

Myskina

Serve: 6
Strokes:7
Court Coverage:8
Net:6
Finesse:9
Strength:6
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness:3

My ratings:6

Rubin

Serve: 6
Strokes:9
Court Coverage:8
Net:8
Finesse:10
Strength: 8
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness:7

My ratings:8

Dani Hantuchova

Serve: 8
Strokes:9
Court Coverage:5
Net:3
Finesse:9
Strength:9
Fitness: 4
Mental Toughness: 2

My ratings:5

Nemesis
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:07 AM
Serena
* Serve: 10
* Strokes: 9.5
* Court Coverage: 9
* Net: 7.5
* Finesse: 7.5
* Strength: 10
* Fitness: 9.5
* Mental Toughness: 9.5
Average: 9.06

Clijsters:
* Serve: 8.5
* Strokes: 9
* Court Coverage: 9.5
* Net: 8
* Finesse: 8
* Strength: 8.5
* Fitness: 9
* Mental Toughness: 7.5
Average: 8.5

Henin
* Serve: 9
* Strokes: 8.5
* Court Coverage: 9
* Net: 9.5
* Finesse: 9.5
* Strentgh: 8
* Fitness: 9
* Mental Toughness: 9
Average: 8.93

Venus
* Serve: 9.5
* Strokes: 9
* Court Coverage: 9.5
* Net: 8.5
* Finesse: 8
* Strength: 9.5
* Fitness: 9
* Mental Toughness: 9
Average: 9

Davenport
* Serve: 9
* Strokes: 9
* Court Coverage: 6
* Net: 8
* Finesse: 7.5
* Strength: 8.5
* Fitness: 7
* Mental Toughness: 8
Average: 7.87

Mauresmo:
* Serve: 8
* Strokes: 8.5
* Court Coverage: 8
* Net: 9
* Finesse: 8.5
* Strength: 8.5
* Fitness: 8.5
* Mental Toughness: 7
Average: 8.25

Capriati
* Serve: 7.5
* Strokes: 8.5
* Court Coverage: 7.5
* Net: 7
* Finesse: 7
* Strength: 8
* Fitness: 8.5
* Mental Toughness: 8.5
Average: 7.81

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:30 PM
It's good to see everyone posting in here, but I think we need to get over our biases, and rate players realistically. Some players have ridiculously low ratings in some areas, while others are hyped up to almost perfect 10 averages while their on court play and results don't reflect it.

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Well I scored not on results, but what they have, I know tennis matches arnt played on paper, but thats the only way you can score this kind of thing.

pReUrBrIyN
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Rubin....

Serve: 7.5
Strokes: 8
Court Coverage: 8
Net: 9
Finesse: 7
Strength: 7.5
Fitness: 8.5
Mental Toughness: 10

Average: 8.18

slydevil6142
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Justine's backhand can perform heavy spin, flat and hard, slice, everything.
Venus' backhand can hit flat and hard, that's it.

Therefore Justine's backhand is the same or even better, IMO.

Honestly who cares about opioions? Im sure Venus doesnt and if Justines spin and slice make her backhand better than Venus then why the lopsided 7-1 record for Venus... maybe its Venus's inferior Forhand/serve that gives her the edge over both belgians :rolleyes: ... Venus's forehand is the weaker side however that doesnt make it weak shes able to produce alot of power and routnly hits more winners from her forehand side.

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:01 PM
Well I scored not on results, but what they have, I know tennis matches arnt played on paper, but thats the only way you can score this kind of thing.

I scored on if they are good at the aspect and if they use it enough and effectively. Like what good is it to have a good net game if you don't use it, and it is not effective. My thought process is this. A player hits great volleys and touch at the net, I start off giving this player an 9, then I think how much do they come to the net, they may not come in nearly as often as they should which means their game at the net is not a huge factor. So their score goes down to a 7.5. Then I think of their effectiveness at the net, they may use their net game effectively, so I bump them up to a final score of 8. Someone may have the talent to do certain things, but if they don't use that talent enough, or effectively it is worth less to them.

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:02 PM
Justine's backhand can perform heavy spin, flat and hard, slice, everything.
Venus' backhand can hit flat and hard, that's it.

Therefore Justine's backhand is the same or even better, IMO.

You just have to weigh which is more effective in a match.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:14 PM
Oh well here is my two cents....starting with the number one and working my way down until I'm bored....

Kim

Serve:8
nice but not the best however better than most.
Backhand: 9
solid and powerful.
Forehand: 9
ditto.
Court Coverage(defense): 10
those splits really amaze me more so because she does not injure herself. one of the top three.
Offense: 8
she's way too passive for a top elite player. she needs to go for it.
Net: 8
well when she gets there she's good but she's not there that often.
Finesse:: 8
she's got the shots but she doesn't employ them enough.
Fitness: 9
this would be a ten but when she's playing singles and doubles she just doesnt have it as much as she should near the end.
Power: 9
she defintely has grrl power.
Mental Toughness: 7
why? she lacks a killer instict. she's too lackadasical which is her major downfall but also makes her so sweet and normal. this might go up with her grudge match against juju the enfant terrible.


Serena

Serve: 10
the best first and second serve ever in womens tennis she should get bonus points its so good.
Forehand: 8
more solid than venus but not her best shot.
Backhand: 9
solid her better shot between the two.
Court Coverage(defense): 10
this girl can move and return the shot offensively. shes one of the top three.
Offense: 9
this is her mantra somewhat to her detriment because she overplays weak second serves with monstrous returns that go out.
Net: 5
swing volleys great. traditional: bad. so she is average because the two cancel each other.
Finesse: 7
she incorporates angles very nicely with an occasional dropshot or lob and slices sometimes.
Power: 9
that girl smacks the ball hard.
Fitness: 9
serena is fit no doubt but the injuries worry me.
Mental Toughness: 9
i base this on attitude pre and post, reaction to crisis, on court emotional stability. serena is great but not perfect.


Justine the enfant Terrible

Serve:9
better than kim's which really surprises me.
Forehand: 9
would have been lower but she improved it. the bitch. jk.
Backhand: 10.
great and lovely to watch plus the slice does more damage than at first glance.
Court Coverage(defense):7
she has really improved and quickness astounds but she still is a short little mama.
Offense: 8
she has the shots and now goes after them. the bitch. whoops.
Net:9
only because she does not get to the net as often as she should plus her reach hampers her.
Finesse: 10
even i can admit she has the best touch since smartina left.
Power: 8
she can pound with the big babes but she is still just a step behind here.
Fitness: 10
face it the girl is fit. she's probably more fit than kim if thats possible. plus she saves herself by playing no doubles.
Mental Toughness: 9
this used to be lower but the girl has found her spinach and she eats lots of it no wonder she runs her mouth so much.


Lindsay:

Serve:9
great serve when its on.
Forehand:10.
her shots are dead on perfect.
Backhand: 10
ditto.
Court Coverage(defense): 3
can you say tortoise? girl go do some sprints in the gym already.
Offense: 9
big linds is always on the offense or trying to be.
Net: 9
she has a great net game but needs to get there more.
Finesse: 5
linds is not about the touch but she can if she has to.
Power: 9
big babe power flourishing.
Fitness: 8
injuries, pinkie toe, better than she was but injuries dont help.
Mental Toughness: 6
crybaby. if shes winning its great if not watch out for the slumping shoulders and poor me attitude. go talk to dr. phil already.

Venus

Serve: 9
great first serve bad second serve. girl get it fixed!
Forehand:7
its too unreliable. see comment above.
Backhand:10
i like it I really really like it.
Court Coverage(defense): 10
the speed combined with the reach beats everyone else.
Offense: 8
this used to be higher but venus has backed off somewhat and i dont know why she has.
Net:7
swing volleys great with average traditional volleys. her reach goes a long way at the net to cut off passing shots.
Finesse: 6
she does the feathery net stuff the dropshots sometimes but rarely lobs and rarely slices.
Power: 10
venus is all about power even more than her sister or big d..
Fitness: 9
would be higher but injuries detract a point.
Mental Toughness:10
venus is still the rock. she has a never say die attitude and her run at wimbledon playing while injured just confirmed it for me.


I'll do the other five later.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:39 PM
Anybody who says that Kimīs court coverage is as good as either sisterīs COMPLETELY fooling themselves.

Only thing I know is that Serena has the best serve of any of the top players

Serena
serve: 10

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Anybody who says that Kimīs court coverage is as good as either sisterīs COMPLETELY fooling themselves.

Only thing I know is that Serena has the best serve of any of the top players

Serena
serve: 10

I think kim on defense is just as good which means great. The only real difference i see is that she replies with a more defensive shot while venus and serena go for more offensive.

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:49 PM
I think kim on defense is just as good which means great. The only real difference i see is that she replies with a more defensive shot while venus and serena go for more offensive.


The reason V and S can return an offensive shot is because they have covered the court better. Kim has to do a split to reach the ball. Also V and S are better at moving forward to the net. That is part of court coverage also, not just moving along the baseline.

Dava
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:51 PM
Anybody who says that Kimīs court coverage is as good as either sisterīs COMPLETELY fooling themselves.

Only thing I know is that Serena has the best serve of any of the top players

Serena
serve: 10

Yes if anything its better, its just that she cant do as much defense->>> offense as they do.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:00 PM
The reason V and S can return an offensive shot is because they have covered the court better. Kim has to do a split to reach the ball. Also V and S are better at moving forward to the net. That is part of court coverage also, not just moving along the baseline.


true but the point is that she is there to make a defensive shot which gives her time to get back into position. also her defensive shots are usually deep so it keeps the opponent form putting away an easy shot.

They are all three great at defense imo.

Hingisfan97
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:40 PM
ELENA DEMENTIEVA

Serve: 4
Strokes: 8
Court Coverage: 8
Net: 6
Finesse: 6
Strength: 7
Fitness: 8
Mental Toughness: 7

Average:

Hingisfan97
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:41 PM
(above)- Average=6.75

cool bird
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:02 AM
I do think Kim covers the court really well. But when she does that split shot it looks good but she does not really hit a great shot. Its is just a stab shot so it flots high and is normaly pretty shot. When ever she does that agist the top players she nearly always losese the point

CJ07
Aug 20th, 2003, 12:07 AM
Here, I'm biased, but I'll tell the truth

Serena

Serve: 9.5
Her second serve is a bit on the overrated side.
Watch Venus pounce like a dog at Wimbledon, and she was Injured.

Groundstrokes: 8.5
Rena has a great fluid forehand and backhand, but their too erratic. When she's on shes on, when she's off...

Volleys: 7
Swinging Volleys are the best in the business, her traditional volleys are awful if shes not 100%

Finesse: 6
Again, much like the traditional volleys, when she's 100% she has tremendous finesse, but thats only then. Those dropshots at the FO were awful.

Court Coverage: 9.5
Best footspeed, not as much reach as Venus

Mental Toughness: 10
Perfection

VENUS

Serve: 9
If Venus is 100%, she has the best serve period.
Thats my honest opinion. Her second serve has really improved. How many people hit 98 MPH second serves with heavy spin and kick into the body? Nobody but Venus. She just doesn't do it often enough...yet


Strokes: 9
Best backhand in the business, and an amazing forehand when she's 100%, people go on and on about Venus's forehand. But I think people forget that her backhand makes up for it. She hardly ever makes errors on her backhand, shes not perfect, they have to come somewhere. And its only when V is off that her forehand gives her issues. She's going to make errors.

Court Coverage: 9.5
If Venus and Serena ran a dash, Serena would win, but if they ran an extended one, Venus wins. Why? Serena is quicker off the mark, but once Venus gets going, she gets going. That stride :hearts: that reach :hearts: ....Venus come back :sad: j/k but getting back to it...

Net: 9
Toughest woman to pass on the WTA tour
Great volleys, VERY underrated. Only Mauresmo and Henin hit better Volleys in the Top 10;

Finesse: 8
Very underrated. Why? She almost never uses it. But when she does its amazing. One point during the OZ final Venus hit this AMAZING topspin forehand in the service box that stunned Serena, then she hit a great inside out forehand winner.

Fitness: 9
Save for the injuries. Very fit

Mental Toughness: 9
Better than anyone other than Serena

Clijsters

Serve: 8
Strokes: 8
Court Coverage: 9.5
Net: 7
Finesse: 9
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness: 7

Justine

Serve: 9.25
Strokes: 9
Court Coverage: 9
Net: 9
Finesse: 10
Fitness: 9
Mental Toughness:9