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Hingiswinsthis
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:49 PM
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I understand there are also 2 ranking systems in a year for the PGA Tour just like in the ATP. The Golf players are ranked based on their prize money (which I think is fair, since everyone earns their spots)....Looking at the WTA list this week, I think it is more reflective of the REAL rankings people have in mind. These are the top 16 SINGLES prize $$$ list so far:

1. Serena Williams USA $2,136,560
2. Justine Henin-Hardenne BEL $2,066,325
3. Kim Clijsters BEL $1,940,835
4. Venus Williams USA $885,744
5. Lindsay Davenport USA $813,955
6. Jennifer Capriati USA $653,585
7. Chanda Rubin USA $539,170
8. Amelie Mauresmo FRA $520,421
9. Ai Sugiyama JPN $376,424
10. Conchita Martinez ESP $344,875
11. Elena Dementieva RUS $342,371
12. Vera Zvonareva RUS $333,869
13. Nadia Petrova RUS $326,416
14. Daniela Hantuchova SVK $314,738
15. Meghann Shaugnessy USA $293,779
16. Jelena Dokic YUG $290,709


...........what do ya think?

The Crow
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:00 PM
I think my boss doesn't pay me enough ;)

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:03 PM
i could live with that :p

MartinaI
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:08 PM
I have always thought that prize money is the better indicator than ranking points, although it has to be only singles prize money, no doubles. Do these figures include doubles money?? If so then Justine will be No. 1

XMan
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:09 PM
It seems that the top 3 is very close

The problem is that you don't have the 17 tournament limiter

alexusjonesfan
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:13 PM
lol, I think the LPGA gives too much money to its players. The top players don't make as much as their tennis counterparts but the average prizemoney is much higher :eek:

1 Annika Sorenstam $1,497,622
2 Grace Park $1,009,009
3 Se Ri Pak $960,958
4 Juli Inkster $953,502
5 Hee-Won Han $818,230
6 Lorena Ochoa $705,113
7 Rosie Jones $668,826
8 Patricia Meunier-Lebouc $654,572 7
9 Hilary Lunke $604,346
10 Rachel Teske $598,168
11 Angela Stanford $566,044
12 Beth Daniel $548,354
13 Lorie Kane $523,905
14 Karrie Webb $477,813
15 Cristie Kerr $455,759
16 Candie Kung $441,395
17 Becky Morgan $418,035
18 Michele Redman $408,604
19 Wendy Ward $398,380
20 Catriona Matthew $386,339
21 Jeong Jang $361,926
22 Kelly Robbins $359,958
23 Meg Mallon $356,626
24 Mi-Hyun Kim $339,924
25 Laura Diaz $334,839
26 Jennifer Rosales $322,016
27 Suzann Pettersen $309,535
28 Heather Bowie $305,530
29 Pat Hurst $278,035
30 Sophie Gustafson $270,396

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 18th, 2003, 10:16 PM
I have always thought that prize money is the better indicator than ranking points, although it has to be only singles prize money, no doubles. Do these figures include doubles money?? If so then Justine will be No. 1

nope. these are what the players earned in singles, not the doubles. if doubles count, Kim would be #1 for all her great play with Sugiyama. I too agree thath the LPGA and Figure skating, they don't get paid enough lol! :confused:

i like this money leaders-rankings list;)

tennis_guy
Aug 18th, 2003, 10:50 PM
first of all, points do not corrospond to prizemoney,
a winner doesnt get twice as many points as finalist
but the prizemoney is a lot more than twice the finalist
second of all, it does not take into account
the quality points, so regardless the
opponents beat, it doesnt matter...

so dont take this too seriously

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 10:59 PM
but looking at it, it looks more than fair ;)

if u told me those were the rankings, i wouldnt question it

Jakeev
Aug 19th, 2003, 12:46 AM
Does anyone know what Martina N's official earnings are after the Canadian Open?

-Sonic-
Aug 19th, 2003, 01:33 AM
So would they start from 0 every year, or would last year's moscow, US Open and year end champs not count for anything?

We don't want xxx player ranked 40 to be the #1 for a week in january etc.

faboozadoo15
Aug 19th, 2003, 01:39 AM
how far along are the women golfers in comparison to the wta tour? endorsements are exponentially higher for tennis girls, remember that. jelena dokic is very very very popular overseas and her ranking and prize money don't reflect that THIS YEAR. im not making a kournikova comparison, btw.

Volcana
Aug 19th, 2003, 01:58 AM
Good to see Conchi in the top ten.

oddkayla
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:01 AM
These amounts are inclusive of what players earned in doubles play as well.

I have always thought that they were good indicators of how well a player has done over the season. If you look at breakdowns you would see amounts for singles, doubles and the cumulative amount, but the totals DO include doubles!

MartinaI
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:45 AM
I think this would be a very fair assessment of the current state of play. If people choose to play less than others that is there decision and say if the Williams sisters did play more you would see many more losses because the week in week out grind of the tour is so distasteful to them.

tennnisfannn
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:02 AM
I think this would be a very fair assessment of the current state of play. If people choose to play less than others that is there decision and say if the Williams sisters did play more you would see many more losses because the week in week out grind of the tour is so distasteful to them.

Suddenly everyone seems to be holding on to the belief that if the Williams played more they would lose more. This arguement only is a an attempt to justify that Kim is better coz she can survive the wear and tear (justine included).
What results would Kim have if she played less? Would she suddenly start winning the big ones? Or would she lose in the opening rounds. I have only used Kim as an example. The truth is no one knows how a player would fare until they actually play.
If venus and serena played alot more, it is likely that they would lose more to players like Kim and Justine and the same would be said for the Belgians, they would exprience more losses from the williams. Cases like Lina and Shaughnessy would still be the exception rather than the rule.
If the williams and belgians are playing each other, then all four players will have lived up to their seeding and no surprises there. but the edge would still lie with the williams.

As for the ranking, any ranking that would show Serena, Justine, Kim and Venus in that order is very hard to argue against.

Tarzan
Nov 11th, 2003, 05:27 AM
Totally agree with Hingiswinsthis, SJW, oddkayla and MartinaI

I think it is more reflective of the REAL rankings!

(singles YTD prize money only)

1 KIM CLIJSTERS $3,610,657.00
2 JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE $3,518,809.00
3 SERENA WILLIAMS $2,136,560.00
4 JENNIFER CAPRIATI $1,251,031.00
5 LINDSAY DAVENPORT $1,107,851.00


Vamos Kim :kiss: :worship:

Tarzan
Nov 11th, 2003, 07:18 AM
I have always thought that prize money is the better indicator than ranking points, although it has to be only singles prize money, no doubles. Do these figures include doubles money?? If so then Justine will be No. 1

Ofcourse, prize money is the better indicator than ranking points! ;)

Vamos Kim :kiss: