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DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:39 PM
Where is all this finesse her fans speak of? Variety? I don't see anymore finesse or variety in her game than I see in any of the other current top six players. It seems to me that she gets this "finesse" tag simply because she hits slice backhand. What does she do besides hit the one handed backhand that the other top six don't/can't/haven't done?

alexusjonesfan
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:42 PM
yeah, it's true...she's a power player.
she sure dropshots and slices a lot more than most people in the top 10 though. I still like her and Amelie's stylish power play, though some prefer the more raw power of others...whatev

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:43 PM
Oh it's more "stylish" to hit w/a one handed backhand?

alexusjonesfan
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:45 PM
Oh it's more "stylish" to hit w/a one handed backhand?

not really...I just said that to start an argument. (I was looking for attention) Venus has a lot of style on court

Diya
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:45 PM
I guess you watch the RG SF JHH v/s SW Set 1 again and you'll see!

The Crow
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:55 PM
Difference imo: Justine's game is based on her technical ability, but she had to add (a lot of) power to cope with the game of the other (power) players. Most of the other players game is based on the power they (naturally) have, but of course they have added more technicality.

To compare her with e.g. Serena: Serena can overpower anyone (and before someone bites my head of, of course her game is not 'all' power). Justine can overpower everyone besides top 10 (roughly speaking). Playing the top 10, she has to add more technicality than e.g. Serena to win. Still using power of course...

And yes her backhand is one of the technically best shots in the game. It seems to be much more natural than other players' backhand.

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:55 PM
I guess you watch the RG SF JHH v/s SW Set 1 again and you'll see!

That set was won with power, NOT finesse. I was amazed at the power Justine was hitting with in that first set.

The Crow
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:58 PM
That set was won with power, NOT finesse. I was amazed at the power Justine was hitting with in that first set.

That's just it, you can have all the finesse you want, if it's not hard enough Serena runs almost everything down and tries to make winners of it. So Justine had to add power to her game. That set was imo won by the right mixture between power and finesse...

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:00 PM
justine especially on her forehand side appears to throw her entire body behind each forehand, that's finesse? Her forehand "technically" is not very sound. Her backhand is technically solid.

Still nobody has answered the questions posed in the threads opening statement.

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:04 PM
she hits more baseline winners than many others on tour

shes a power player. no doubt

minboy
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Finesse is not about hitting a slice backhand.
Finesse is about hitting a slice backhand at the right time.
Justine is still a finesse player because she has a game plan, against everyone. She only uses power to make her game plan more effective.
On the other hand, power players's game plans are just about "hitting hard".

Diya
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:05 PM
That set was won with power, NOT finesse. I was amazed at the power Justine was hitting with in that first set.


IMO No ONE can out-hit Serena Williams in a match consistently for over the period of a set ! You can beat Serena by using other ways but definitely not by matching her power ! Take Mirjana for example ...........She was almost hitting harder than Venus in their match at Wimbledon but still lost 6-0 6-0 :eek:

Ryan
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:08 PM
Where is all this finesse her fans speak of? Variety? I don't see anymore finesse or variety in her game than I see in any of the other current top six players. It seems to me that she gets this "finesse" tag simply because she hits slice backhand. What does she do besides hit the one handed backhand that the other top six don't/can't/haven't done?

You're blind.


It's not about what the others CAN, or HAVE done, it's what they do now. And most of the top players just pound away at the ball, occasionally throwing in a bad dropshot or coming to net to put away a volley. Henin does have lots of variety, and she uses it in every match she plays. Her slice backhand *IS* variety, like it or not. The way she hitsh er backhand is very different because she can get sooo many spins off of it. She has the best volleys of the top 10, and she gets to net more then the other top players to use them. Henin never will hit as hard as Venus, Serena, Kim, or Lindsay, so it's obvious she's doing something different to make the top 5.

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:08 PM
IMO No ONE can out-hit Serena Williams in a match consistently for over the period of a set ! You can beat Serena by using other ways but definitely not by matching her power ! Take Mirjana for example ...........She was almost hitting harder than Venus in their match at Wimbledon but still lost 6-0 6-0 :eek:

In that one set she did outhit Serena, and I think it rattled Serena a bit, but in the second and third set Serena changed strategy and took control of the match until the "incident"

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:09 PM
IMO No ONE can out-hit Serena Williams in a match consistently for over the period of a set ! You can beat Serena by using other ways but definitely not by matching her power ! Take Mirjana for example ...........She was almost hitting harder than Venus in their match at Wimbledon but still lost 6-0 6-0 :eek:

you mean their match at the US?

Henin fans want to claim shes not a power player then say "oh look how good she is! her first serve average is the same as Serenas!"

one or the other......

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:11 PM
Bad example...hitting hard is nothing if you can't keep the ball w/in the confines of the court.

So now finesse is having a game plan? That's something all the top players enter a match with. It's not unique to justine. justine hits her slice backhand slice forehands as part of her defense you don't see her employing this tactic when she's in an offensive position.

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:13 PM
You're blind.


It's not about what the others CAN, or HAVE done, it's what they do now. And most of the top players just pound away at the ball, occasionally throwing in a bad dropshot or coming to net to put away a volley. Henin does have lots of variety, and she uses it in every match she plays. Her slice backhand *IS* variety, like it or not. The way she hitsh er backhand is very different because she can get sooo many spins off of it. She has the best volleys of the top 10, and she gets to net more then the other top players to use them. Henin never will hit as hard as Venus, Serena, Kim, or Lindsay, so it's obvious she's doing something different to make the top 5.

Capriati hits a slice backhand often too. No one gives her credit for "finesse" Henin doesn't get to net against the top players enough. Venus pounds Henin at the net, and although at the beginning of their Wimby 2003 match Serena was missing the volley, she made the commitment to come to the net and it eventually paid off. Serena must have asked Venus for advice before the match on how to beat Henin. Henin hits nearly as hard as anyone else in the top ten. I find it funny how everyone here thinks it's so easy to strike the ball hard and still find placement and control as Lindsay, Venus, Serena, Kim, and Capriati do.

Glenn
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:15 PM
Bad example...hitting hard is nothing if you can't keep the ball w/in the confines of the court.

So now finesse is having a game plan? That's something all the top players enter a match with. It's not unique to justine. justine hits her slice backhand slice forehands as part of her defense you don't see her employing this tactic when she's in an offensive position.
She's for sure the player out of the top 10 that ventures to the net the most.
I wouldn't call this finesse, but it's more varied than any other player out of the top 10.

Ryan
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:21 PM
Capriati hits a slice backhand often too. No one gives her credit for "finesse" Henin doesn't get to net against the top players enough. Venus pounds Henin at the net, and although at the beginning of their Wimby 2003 match Serena was missing the volley, she made the commitment to come to the net and it eventually paid off. Serena must have asked Venus for advice before the match on how to beat Henin. Henin hits nearly as hard as anyone else in the top ten. I find it funny how everyone here thinks it's so easy to strike the ball hard and still find placement and control as Lindsay, Venus, Serena, Kim, and Capriati do.


When did I say it was easy to hit super-hard with contral and accuracy? It's probably one of the hardest things to do, hitting as hard as Serena with that accuracy. I was merely responding to DF, saying that Justine has more variety then the other top players. I never said it wins her matches all the time.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:25 PM
Capriati hits a slice backhand often too. No one gives her credit for "finesse" Henin doesn't get to net against the top players enough. Venus pounds Henin at the net, and although at the beginning of their Wimby 2003 match Serena was missing the volley, she made the commitment to come to the net and it eventually paid off. Serena must have asked Venus for advice before the match on how to beat Henin. Henin hits nearly as hard as anyone else in the top ten. I find it funny how everyone here thinks it's so easy to strike the ball hard and still find placement and control as Lindsay, Venus, Serena, Kim, and Capriati do.

Word! Thatīs the reason Serena lost at RG....her netplay wasnīt good that day, as Justine kept passing her...

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:26 PM
She's for sure the player out of the top 10 that ventures to the net the most.
I wouldn't call this finesse, but it's more varied than any other player out of the top 10.

Her netgame ainīt good at all....even against Lina!!! yesterday she lost almost all points at the net.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:26 PM
You're blind.


It's not about what the others CAN, or HAVE done, it's what they do now. And most of the top players just pound away at the ball, occasionally throwing in a bad dropshot or coming to net to put away a volley. Henin does have lots of variety, and she uses it in every match she plays. Her slice backhand *IS* variety, like it or not. The way she hitsh er backhand is very different because she can get sooo many spins off of it. She has the best volleys of the top 10, and she gets to net more then the other top players to use them. Henin never will hit as hard as Venus, Serena, Kim, or Lindsay, so it's obvious she's doing something different to make the top 5.


Slice backhands, I've seen Venus,Serena, Lindsay,Anna,Capriati all use slice backhands.

Dropshots, I've seen the following players use the dropshot effectively Kim,Venus,Steffi,Monica,Kim, nothing exclusive to justine

Lets look at actual matchstats...justine ....-v- Venus this years A.O.
%

Net Approaches justine 8 of 17 = 47 % VENUS 12 of 19 = 63 %

It's clear who approached more, and won a higher percentage of those points.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:31 PM
You're blind.


It's not about what the others CAN, or HAVE done, it's what they do now. And most of the top players just pound away at the ball, occasionally throwing in a bad dropshot or coming to net to put away a volley. Henin does have lots of variety, and she uses it in every match she plays. Her slice backhand *IS* variety, like it or not. The way she hitsh er backhand is very different because she can get sooo many spins off of it. She has the best volleys of the top 10, and she gets to net more then the other top players to use them. Henin never will hit as hard as Venus, Serena, Kim, or Lindsay, so it's obvious she's doing something different to make the top 5.


I've seen all of the top six players use slice backhand, of the top ten players I've only seen Mauresmo use it as an offensive shot(approach).

Kim has one of the best dropshots in the game, Venus,Monica, have used it effectively. Not a justine exclusive.


This years A.O. Venus -v justine 6-3 6-3
Net Approaches justine 8 of 17 = 47 % Venus 12 of 19 = 63 %

Opps looks like Venus was more effective at net, and approached more often.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:32 PM
I've seen all of the top six players use slice backhand, of the top ten players I've only seen Mauresmo use it as an offensive shot(approach).

Kim has one of the best dropshots in the game, Venus,Monica, have used it effectively. Not a justine exclusive.


This years A.O. Venus -v justine 6-3 6-3
Net Approaches justine 8 of 17 = 47 % Venus 12 of 19 = 63 %

Opps looks like Venus was more effective at net, and approached more often.

Word!

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:33 PM
Sorry for the double posting my work puter is f'n up.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:41 PM
Variety does not equal Finesse.

MartinaI
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:45 PM
Yes she most certainly is a power player, some people are so slow to pick up on this when it is so obvious. She has style and finesse to her game too, more so than other top players. For this reason and because she is small makes people call her a finesse player, which she certainly is, and an intelligent one at that. That is why her fans love her!

per4ever
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:56 PM
Kim HAD the best dropshots in the game imo. Since the clayseason I noticed lots of her dropshots going wide or not close enough to the net. She doesn't use them as often as she used too.

Justine has more variation in her game then any other top 10 player. I thought people who watched tennis noticed such things :eek: She definitly has the finest touch at the net.

XMan
Aug 18th, 2003, 06:57 PM
The power in Justine's game is of a different kind then that of the Williams sisters. It originates from the acceleration in her movement and an accurate timing. She can get an enormous speed out of her forehands and backhands because of the combination of body torsion and a long stroke. This accelerates her racket to higher velocities as the average player. She combines this with a short bounce of the ball, which means that she takes the ball early when the kinetic energy of the ball is still high. This means that relative impact velocity of the ball on Justine's racket is a lot higher then that of other players. If she would drop her racket a millisecond before the ball hits the racket (which means that she can't put power on the ball) then the momentum of the racket on the ball will be a lot higher then that of other players. If she combines this with the "force" she puts on the racket then she can hit a ball with a very high velocity. This "force" is actually nothing more as the muscle resistance to the deceleration of the racket coming from the impact (second law of Newton). It is this force that the Williams sisters use to accelerate the ball (with a lot of success.)

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:04 PM
I love these debates. If Hingis had Venus natural power, you would have seen much less variety. They all use what they've got to get what they want(Trophies/titles)

When Venus and Serena learned to harness thier power, and use more of the court, along w/thier great defensive skills they began to dominate the slams. When justine realized that just getting balls back in play wasn't an efficient or winning gameplan she beefed up her game.

per4ever
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:06 PM
lmao Xman, I think lots of people won't understand that post :o

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:11 PM
Lindsay,Venus,Capriati, and especially Hingis do that as well, but were all less prone to being overpowered because thier stroke production was to long. It takes time to set up to hit the ball on the rise especially if you have long strokes. Venus and Serena have the earliest racquet preperation in the top ten.

villa
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:21 PM
Henin only slices the ball when she is in a defensive position- if she can strike the ball cleanly with power she does- damn she hit lina of court yesterday- more so than kim did! And when she was being hit of court she sliced the ball back in court and lina made an error- she's a power player who istead of hitting the ball with power on run (williams/jen/lindsay) slices it back in court.....

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:30 PM
Roger Federer has the most variety in the mens game.....but hes not a "finesse" player ;)

treufreund
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:32 PM
Most of the time that Justine came to the net against KIM she used heavy topspin angles both on the forehand and backhand side to drag kim out of the court and then followed it often with a short slice or well placed angled shot to either finish at the net or draw Kim into the net and then pass her. Finesse involves feel for the ball and excellent placement too. FINESSE is not just drop shots! :rolleyes: Although she did use SEVERAL of those against Kim effectively and lobbed her effectively. She used some very good slice approaches and a deft touch volley more than once. Also against Kuznetsova at the acura she hit one of the most exquisite high backhand volley with a touch of slice down the line that I have ever seen. on the defensive she can use her finesse to throw up incredible offensive and defensive lobs with topspin or slice or add air to the ball to get it deep. she did this often. she hit some very exquisite short approaches and angles to get a high ball to put away at the net.

you can call it VARIETY if you hate the word finesse. Actually JUSTINE is an all court player not a baseline power player. She is an all court player with POWER and FINESSE. GOT IT!

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:37 PM
This couldn't be Venus using variety could it?? Venus is definitely not hitting as hard as she can here.

http://home.comcast.net/~bill.knight1/VenusHenin.rpm

http://home.comcast.net/~bill.knight1/VenusLD.rpm

ProjectMayhem
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:20 PM
Knizzle is an idiot.

Do you argue that Justine can volley, slice, lob, and drop shot better than the rest of the top 10? Do you argue that Justine does all of the above much more frequently than the top 10? End of discussion. Examples of isolated incidents where Venus hit a shot are moot, because I'm sure I could find a video clip of Lindsay running like a gazelle or Hingis hitting a 90 mph second serve, if I looked hard enough.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:28 PM
Knizzle is an idiot.

Do you argue that Justine can volley, slice, lob, and drop shot better than the rest of the top 10? Do you argue that Justine does all of the above much more frequently than the top 10? End of discussion. Examples of isolated incidents where Venus hit a shot are moot, because I'm sure I could find a video clip of Lindsay running like a gazelle or Hingis hitting a 90 mph second serve, if I looked hard enough.

How can Justine be an all-court player when historically her best surface is clay. Isnīt an all-court player supposed to be an serve and volleyer or something?!

In any case....winning is the name of the game. Justineīs only now started to win for all her " finesse"

Dava
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:33 PM
If ive said this once....Justine can do anything with the ball. The only weak point is her serve (sometimes she cant get the first one in), and even that, aint that weak.

Her only problem is, she seems to crumble against players who have her number, like the Williams', Clijsters (though thats changing), and Dementieva (who should not be expected to beat her, but should not get so close to beating her as she does).

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:37 PM
Knizzle is an idiot.

Do you argue that Justine can volley, slice, lob, and drop shot better than the rest of the top 10? Do you argue that Justine does all of the above much more frequently than the top 10? End of discussion. Examples of isolated incidents where Venus hit a shot are moot, because I'm sure I could find a video clip of Lindsay running like a gazelle or Hingis hitting a 90 mph second serve, if I looked hard enough.

Your location is : Not near Serena's armpit, and I am an idiot?? The location alone says how you probably feel about both sisters. Anyway Henin DOES do all of those things well. She doesn't come to net enough though, at least not against the top players. She is not the only one who posesses those shots. Everyone else in the top ten gets pegged as power players only and that's just not true. Justine hits with power just as much as anyone else. She doesn't take speed off of her shots unless she is hitting slices. She seems to be the only one given credit for smart play on the court. If she was smart and nobody else was, the she would win absolutely everything, nobody would be able to match her.

harloo
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:38 PM
Justine is a POWER PLAYER. She is no Martina Hingis. People need to stop with that comparison already. All she do is hit that one handed backhand. lol

tennis_guy
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:42 PM
i dont think she should be called a "power player",
it after all does have negative connotation,
(no offense to Williams fans..:p...)
there is a reason why some compare her to Hingis,
she puts a lot of topspins into her strokes,
that's why she can do well on clay,
and on a slow court like that in Toronot, it's a killer
and she does slice well, her being SHBH....
so she puts in a lot of variety into her games,
and that qualifies her as a fitness player,
show me a singlehanded power player plz..
and many wonder why Williams finals are boring

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 10:05 PM
Justine Henin is a POWER PLAYER and this is because she realises she needs the POWER GAME to succeed.

like i said, Roger Federer has every shot in the book but no one calls him finesse :rolleyes:

the fact she can hit every shot is irrelevant. shes a power player, and looking at her right bicep, will be from now on.

Martina Hingis was the greatest example of a finesse player. and saying Justine plays with the same placement and lack of errors as Marti is laughable.

Henin hits DISGUISTING errors and beautiful winners. just like a Williams sister :p (but not as good winners)

VS Fan
Aug 18th, 2003, 10:44 PM
To anyone who doubts that Justine is as much a "power player" as Serena, just take note of the stats of their macth at Roland Garros.




Match Summary

Williams (USA) Henin-Hardenne (BEL)

1st Serve % 60 of 107 = 56 % 55 of 94 = 59 %

Aces 1 0

Double Faults 5 4

Unforced Errors 79 68

Winning % on 1st Serve 32 of 60 = 53 % 27 of 55 = 49 %

Winning % on 2nd Serve 20 of 47 = 43 % 23 of 39 = 59 %

Winners (Including Service) 27 25

Break Point Conversions 6 of 8 = 75 % 8 of 19 = 42 %

Net Approaches 10 of 25 = 40 % 13 of 17 = 76 %

Total Points Won 96 105

Fastest Serve 185 km/h 175 km/h

Average 1st Serve Speed 156 km/h 163 km/h

Average 2nd Serve Speed 126 km/h 136 km/h


Note that while Serena had the FASTEST serve of the match, but Justine had a HIGHER average first AND second serve speed.

Both had HUGE unforced error totals, winners were almost equal, but Justine did much better at the net than Serena in THIS match. This MAY have been the difference.

The truth is the BOTH Serena AND Justine combine POWER along with an all-court game. On clay Justine has an edge, but I think Serena has an even bigger edge on ALL other surfaces.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 10:50 PM
To anyone who doubts that Justine is as much a "power player" as Serena, just take note of the stats of their macth at Roland Garros.




Match Summary

Williams (USA) Henin-Hardenne (BEL)

1st Serve % 60 of 107 = 56 % 55 of 94 = 59 %

Aces 1 0

Double Faults 5 4

Unforced Errors 79 68

Winning % on 1st Serve 32 of 60 = 53 % 27 of 55 = 49 %

Winning % on 2nd Serve 20 of 47 = 43 % 23 of 39 = 59 %

Winners (Including Service) 27 25

Break Point Conversions 6 of 8 = 75 % 8 of 19 = 42 %

Net Approaches 10 of 25 = 40 % 13 of 17 = 76 %

Total Points Won 96 105

Fastest Serve 185 km/h 175 km/h

Average 1st Serve Speed 156 km/h 163 km/h

Average 2nd Serve Speed 126 km/h 136 km/h


Note that while Serena had the FASTEST serve of the match, but Justine had a HIGHER average first AND second serve speed.

Both had HUGE unforced error totals, winners were almost equal, but Justine did much better at the net than Serena in THIS match. This MAY have been the difference.

The truth is the BOTH Serena AND Justine combine POWER along with an all-court game. On clay Justine has an edge, but I think Serena has an even bigger edge on ALL other surfaces.

Exactly...that was the difference. Serena wasnīt good at the net that day and Justine could run down her volleys. Only on clay, only on clay!

rhz
Aug 18th, 2003, 11:06 PM
She is a power player, she hits harder than Capriati IMO, and Capriati is a power player

treufreund
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:14 AM
Funny how nobody responded to my post. Guess the examples of her variety and non-power shots were not convenient to those who seem obsessed with labelling her a power player. btw, who has been calling her a finesse player? She plays with finesse but not EXCLUSIVELY with finesse. :rolleyes:

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:19 AM
Most of the time that Justine came to the net against KIM she used heavy topspin angles both on the forehand and backhand side to drag kim out of the court and then followed it often with a short slice or well placed angled shot to either finish at the net or draw Kim into the net and then pass her. Finesse involves feel for the ball and excellent placement too. FINESSE is not just drop shots! :rolleyes: Although she did use SEVERAL of those against Kim effectively and lobbed her effectively. She used some very good slice approaches and a deft touch volley more than once. Also against Kuznetsova at the acura she hit one of the most exquisite high backhand volley with a touch of slice down the line that I have ever seen. on the defensive she can use her finesse to throw up incredible offensive and defensive lobs with topspin or slice or add air to the ball to get it deep. she did this often. she hit some very exquisite short approaches and angles to get a high ball to put away at the net.

you can call it VARIETY if you hate the word finesse. Actually JUSTINE is an all court player not a baseline power player. She is an all court player with POWER and FINESSE. GOT IT!

Agreed!! Other players don't seem to get the same credit for their variety, and alot of it comes from the fact that Justine is small so she is perceived as someone who doesn't have power, and so uses finesse only to beat the top players which just isn't true.

treufreund
Aug 19th, 2003, 06:34 AM
actually i have written at least 5 or 6 posts that I can remember explaining that it is the variety and versatility that serena had added to her game that helped her against Venus. but in the last six months of so Serena seemed to lose some of her variety IMO and did not seem to really be expanding her repertoire. :sad:

fleemkeģ
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:52 AM
Well I see it this way

Serena, Venus, ... are powerplayers who worked on their technical gameplay (?)

Justine is a technical player who gained some muscles to get more power :)

(well I don't think this good English but I think/hope it's clear :p)

Joana
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:37 AM
I just don't understand this power vs finesse nonsence. It's not like only one of those things is enough for a top player.
Honestly I think much of that finesse talk about Justine is due to her height. She CAN hit hard. Does it mean she's only a power player? No. Neither is Serena.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2003, 11:43 AM
I just don't understand this power vs finesse nonsence. It's not like only one of those things is enough for a top player.
Honestly I think much of that finesse talk about Justine is due to her height. She CAN hit hard. Does it mean she's only a power player? No. Neither is Serena.

Exactly....it isnīt just because someone is small that sheīs only a finesse player and someone thatīs bigger is only a power player.

shap_half
Aug 19th, 2003, 04:03 PM
So are we saying that Justine used power to win that set off of Venus at the 2001 Wimbledon? Doubt it. Noone who saw that match can even say Justine is a power player. I think that Justine needs to have power to win her matches since Serena, Kim, Venus, Lindsay, and Jenn are all very powerful players who hit the ball just about harder than Justine can. She wants to win so she added another dimension to her game. I don't think she's a power player. I think she's a powerful finesse player. She's got feel of the court, spins, angles, and she uses all of that combined with her power to create a game to win the point. Of course this could be said about everyone else on the tour but I think Justine is more reliant on the finesse area of her game than anyone else because she is not as naturally powerful as everyone else. If Serena and Justine were just playing hitting and hitting and hitting, Justine would not have a chance because clearly Serena's shot has more powerful and speed coming from it because it comes natural to her. With Justine, in order to win, she had to add power to her game which is really based on finesse because she didn't have the natural power that almost everyone in the tour has.