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*hingis_forever*
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:45 AM
Some of them are saying that Clijsters chokes too much in big matches and is undeserving of the #1 ranking:rolleyes:! Most of them say that Heninn-Hardenne can't handle Venus and still isn't a good enough hardcourt player!

But they overlook the fact that Venus hasn't won a slam since the 2001 US Open! Yeah, it may of been Serena beating her in all the slam finals since, but it still is a drought and who knows how she will handle the pressure? Henin hasn't had many chances this year of playing Venus so she may now be able to overcome her mental block! I still feel that if you had to pick favourites out of the top players this is how it would go:

1. Henin-Hardenne= Playing the best out of anyone since Wimbledon
Champion or Finalist

2. Clijsters= This week of rest will only do her good and it's only a matter of time before she wins a big one
Finalist or Champion

3. V. Williams= Hasn't played since Wimbledon so will be rusty. Good bet to make semis and maybe further
Semifinal or Final

4. Capriati= You may be thinking why I put her ahead of Davenport. Well, she has been taking all the top players to three sets this year and she'll be hungry
Semifinal or Quarterfinal

5. Davenport= Has had a good year but not great. If she gets off to a slow start against someone like Henin-Hardenne or Clijsters, her on-court negativity may get the best of her

Contenders: (no order)

Mauresmo
Dementieva (if her serve holds up)
Rubin

Longshots: (no order)

Zvonareva
Petrova
Myskina
Krasnoroutskaya
Sharapova
Suarez
Sugiyama

lizchris
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:54 AM
Venus would have to be put over Justine and Kim for a couple of reasons:

Since 2000, Venus has only lost two summer hardcourt matches (2001 Bank of the West and the 2002 US Open). No other player (including her sister) can claim that.

Other than Lindsay Davenport, she is the only active player who has acutally won the damn tournament.


Another fact is that Kim and Justine have not gotten past the fourth round of the USO. Do I think they will get past the fourth round? Probably. If they meet Venus, will they be able to beat her? Probably not.

disposablehero
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:09 AM
Why? Because they have an injury excuse to fall back on if she loses. In fact, I expect them to play up the injury even if she wins.

tennisIlove09
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Kim made the US Open quarters in 2001, where she lost to Venus.

CJ07
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:18 AM
If Justine and Venus play in the final, she wont win 6-2 6-1 or 6-2 6-3 like usual

she'll win 7-5 6-4

but thats about it.

Why?
Venus does everything Henin does but better.
Actually thats not true, but on hardcourts it doesn't matter.

Henin is Venus's biggest threat. If Venus is isn't 80% she wont win. But by the stage of that tournament, unless she pulls an Australian Open 01, she usually is.

Venus serves faster, runs faster, hits harder, is mentally stronger, and has a whopping h2h record.

And at 5 all in the tiebreak, the 2 latter factors is all that matters.

And don't even give me Clijsters.

She's Arantxa Sanchez Vicario with a bowflex

Midnite Surfer
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:22 AM
Why? Because they have an injury excuse to fall back on if she loses. In fact, I expect them to play up the injury even if she wins.

What are you saying? Venus ISN'T injured? I think it is called thinking positive. I, for one, think that Venus has the talent to do it. But it is asking a lot of an injured player who hasn't played in two months. The situation sort of sucks. If Kim or Justine do win, then everyone will say it is because of the injuries of Serena and Venus. Let's face it, it is most likely true. Do you honestly think that if the Williams's were healthy that anyone would actually even be mentioning any other possible champions? If so it would only be to hype what would obviously be a Williams lock. No one outside of the Williams family has won it since 1998.

It seems to me you are trying to downplay Venus's injury so it will be a sweeter victory for Kim, if she does win it. :rolleyes:

Sam L
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:22 AM
There are good reasons why people should think Venus will win: her excellent record on this surface and against the current top players.

There are also good reasons to think why Mrs. Hardenne or Clijsters will win: they've actually played BETTER overall than Venus in the last 52 weeks.

Anything can happen, but the winner will come from these three: Venus, Clijsters or Mrs. Hardenne.

I know it's nothing new, but to say that one of them WILL DEFINITELY win, at this stage, is nothing but biased speculation.

Jericho
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:25 AM
Most Williams fans? Exactly how many "williams" fans said that venus will definitely win?

TeeRexx
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:31 AM
WhY?

1 Because VENUS played in 5 of the last 6 GS finals.
2. Besides SERENA, she has defeated, the majority of all of the other players.
3. VENU took care of Clijsters while severely injured in the Wimbey semis.
4. VENUS dominates JHH on hard courts
5. VENUS has only had one legitimate loss to Clijsters, the other was a technical walk over.
6. Finally, Kim has a tendency to choke and may have lost some momentum after her loss to Lina K.

VS Fan
Aug 18th, 2003, 02:45 AM
TeeRexx:

Big Venus fan that you are, note that Venus has PLAYED in TEN Slam Finals, Winning FOUR. Two from Lindsay, one from Justine, and one fron Serena. She lost SIX slam finals, one to Martina Hingis, and the other five to Serena.

Perhaps you were sleeping!!??

Volcana
Aug 18th, 2003, 03:05 AM
Have you considered the fact that we ARE fans, and the tournament hasn't started yet?

All fans believe their favorites have a better chance than they really do. The word 'fan' is derived from 'fanatic', not 'clear-minded thinker'.

Venus is going to win. Nothing will convince me otherwise til she withdraws or loses. Objectivity is what I use when I talk about OTHER players.

BigTennisFan
Aug 18th, 2003, 03:35 AM
Have you considered the fact that we ARE fans, and the tournament hasn't started yet?

All fans believe their favorites have a better chance than they really do. The word 'fan' is derived from 'fanatic', not 'clear-minded thinker'.

Venus is going to win. Nothing will convince me otherwise til she withdraws or loses. Objectivity is what I use when I talk about OTHER players.

:lol: Well said, Volcana, well said indeed. Why is it so hard to understand that when we analyze our faves we are doing it with about 30% head and 70% heart?

Heck there are even fans who really believe that Anna K. is going to eventually get her game together and be a force to be reckoned with.
I often shake my head when people are disappointed with Alex too, but then I try to understand that they see their faves the way I see Venus. The only difference is that picking Venus to win is much closer to reality than picking Alex or Anna. ;)

Shuji Shuriken
Aug 18th, 2003, 03:39 AM
Have you considered the fact that we ARE fans, and the tournament hasn't started yet?

All fans believe their favorites have a better chance than they really do. The word 'fan' is derived from 'fanatic', not 'clear-minded thinker'.

Venus is going to win. Nothing will convince me otherwise til she withdraws or loses. Objectivity is what I use when I talk about OTHER players.
:worship: :hearts: :kiss: :)...thank you :worship: :worship:.

alexusjonesfan
Aug 18th, 2003, 04:00 AM
Geez...it's not just 'some Williams fans' who are saying that. Many fans of other players are saying it too :p

btw, if you haven't noticed, fans don't have to be right 100% of the time. I'm not a 'Williams fan' but I still think both Justine and Kim will need to pull off small miracles to beat Venus at the open. I'm not quite sure why but Venus doesn't like losing to people in the top 10 who don't share her last name (for the past couple of years anyway)...here's a wild guess: I'm willing to bet Venus has a better chance of losing to someone ranked between 11 and 50 early on than she does of losing to someone ranked between 1 and 10 inclusive (btw, you Venus fan's can't use that to say that 'she beat herself'). :lol: any takers? :tape:

Jakeev
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:09 AM
I dare anybody who believes Venus will 100% for sure win the Open to take the first plane to Vegas and put your money where your big mouths are.......Just make sure you keep your houses out of it.

BasicTennis
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:15 AM
it would take a 100% Venus now to beat the Belgian sisters and this is a fact considering the current form of Kim/Juju.

great smash
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:17 AM
I dare anybody who believes Venus will 100% for sure win the Open to take the first plane to Vegas and put your money where your big mouths are.......Just make sure you keep your houses out of it.
:yeah:

per4ever
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:30 AM
Venus would have to be put over Justine and Kim for a couple of reasons:

Since 2000, Venus has only lost two summer hardcourt matches (2001 Bank of the West and the 2002 US Open). No other player (including her sister) can claim that.

Other than Lindsay Davenport, she is the only active player who has acutally won the damn tournament.


Another fact is that Kim and Justine have not gotten past the fourth round of the USO. Do I think they will get past the fourth round? Probably. If they meet Venus, will they be able to beat her? Probably not.

Just stats, history..it shows how it was..but doesn't mean it will stay that way. Both Justine and Kim have improved a lot this year, breaking with all their past negative stats.

Serena had won 4 GS's in a row..great statistics. But it doesn't mean she will win the next 4 too (as already proven ;))

rottweily
Aug 18th, 2003, 09:15 AM
Justine will win US Open.
Venus never met the new Justine and if they meet, Justine will beat her convingcingly.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 11:25 AM
Justine will win US Open.
Venus never met the new Justine and if they meet, Justine will beat her convingcingly.

The new Justine, huh?! The new Justine was already there at the Oz open and look what Venus did with her! You can´t beat someone when you´re scared of that person and Juju´s scared by Venus. Sure Justine´s improved, but beating some Lina on hardcourts is a whole another thing than beating Venus!! Don´t get carried away.

Say it with me: Healthy Venus beats the Belgian sisters on hardcourts!

fifiricci
Aug 18th, 2003, 11:34 AM
I agree that Henin Hardenne has improved enormously, physically and mentally, this year. But I have to say that I do not think her Toronto victory is worthy of a Tier 1 event and if she's going to use that to bolster her hardcourt confidence for the US open she's gonna get one hell of a big shock next week.

I mean once Kimmie lost in Toronto all Henin had to do was just keep turning up to win!!

People talk about Kim not being "deserving" and having easy draws, well what about Henin's Toronto title!!??

SJW
Aug 18th, 2003, 11:38 AM
the same reason some say Henin will def win the open

over confidence in their player.....there are 128 players in a draw (admittedly, in the womens game i would say 120 of them dont have a chance)

Dava
Aug 18th, 2003, 11:40 AM
Im not a fan of Venus or Justine, but I dont see Venus winning this, she has hardly played, and when she did that at the French it cost her dear. She may get away with it because its hardcourt event, but who knows.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:10 PM
," but it still is a drought and who knows how she will handle the pressure? "

Pressure what pressure? Venus will be the best "pressure" player in the field at the US Open bar none! Nobody defends titles like Venus Williams.

Schalckske
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:13 PM
Nobody defends titles like Venus Williams.

The problem is she hasn't many titles to defend :p

Jakeev
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:15 PM
The new Justine, huh?! The new Justine was already there at the Oz open and look what Venus did with her! You can´t beat someone when you´re scared of that person and Juju´s scared by Venus. Sure Justine´s improved, but beating some Lina on hardcourts is a whole another thing than beating Venus!! Don´t get carried away.

Say it with me: Healthy Venus beats the Belgian sisters on hardcourts!

Justine is scared of playing Venus? Honey if that was your latest attempt at humor I suggest you do not quit your day job anytime soon........

rikvanlooy
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:34 PM
I think Venus and Serena have still too much power for Justine.

On clay this power advantage is being rubbed out and then one sees that Justine is probably more talented (4-1 h2h against Serena and Venus on clay).

The decision to play the biggest part of the season on hardcourts has given a huge advantage to the power players (the American media have pushed the tour to play on hardcourt in stead of on clay because the play is quicker and it looks more spectacular). This also made the tour harder because the bodies of the players can't endure the hardcourts (clay is a lot less demanding on the body).

Pat Etcheberry told Justine that she needs another 2 to 3 years before her body is strong enough to compete with the real power girls (Serena and Venus). Justine's work has made her play a lot more powerful, but it is still not enough. I wonder how the play of Justine will evolve the next years. One year training with Pat has made a tremendous difference for her results. If Pat is right, then Justine will be at her best in 2006.

Justine keeps repeating that she wants to play at least another 10 years. She wants a very long career.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:40 PM
justine is overwhelmed by Venus Williams. 1-7 including the "new" justine getting thumped down under(and I aint talking bout knockin boots) 6-3 6-3.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:41 PM
I think Venus and Serena have still too much power for Justine.

On clay this power advantage is being rubbed out and then one sees that Justine is probably more talented (4-1 h2h against Serena and Venus on clay).

The decision to play the biggest part of the season on hardcourts has given a huge advantage to the power players (the American media have pushed the tour to play on hardcourt in stead of on clay because the play is quicker and it looks more spectacular). This also made the tour harder because the bodies of the players can't endure the hardcourts (clay is a lot less demanding on the body).

Pat Etcheberry told Justine that she needs another 2 to 3 years before her body is strong enough to compete with the real power girls (Serena and Venus). Justine's work has made her play a lot more powerful, but it is still not enough. I wonder how the play of Justine will evolve the next years. One year training with Pat has made a tremendous difference for her results. If Pat is right, then Justine will be at her best in 2006.

Justine keeps repeating that she wants to play at least another 10 years. She wants a very long career.

The play on clay isn´t even about talent....all Justine´s to do keep running balls down all the day and hope and pray for the sisters to make errors.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:45 PM
I have to disagree. Clay court play is about talent, placement, consistancy, patience and fitness, physical and mental.

rikvanlooy
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:02 PM
The play on clay isn´t even about talent....all Justine´s to do keep running balls down all the day and hope and pray for the sisters to make errors.

I don't think you have watched the 5 matches on clay. Venus was completely outplayed at Berlin. Venus has so much success against Justine because she is so strong. She hits her backhand into the backhand of Justine with all the force she has and then Venus runs to the net. At that moment the one handed backhand of Justine doesn't have the time to return the ball. On clay this tactic doesn't work because you have a little more time and at that moment Justine has the time to pass Venus.

At Charleston Justine wiped the floor with Serena. The match at RG was closer but Serena was in no way dictating the game all of the time (remember the first set where Serena was completely outplayed).

One of the reasons why the h2h is so in favour of the Williams sisters is because Kim and Justine almost never meet Serena and Venus on clay.

BTW : On grass the serve of Serena and Venus is (still) far too good.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:06 PM
Nice how you conviently left out Venus' comeback win against justine, or the fact that justine has only beaten Venus once and thier h2h on clay is 1-1 overall 7-1 Venus.

Venus' backhand will overpower justine's on any surface.

Kart
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:20 PM
What do you expect them to say ?

'Venus will definitely not win the US open' ?

Frankly they're not exactly taking much of a risk in this prediction either.

Cariaoke
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:22 PM
Um... why do other people say their faves will win the Open? does it really matter? it all comes down to that Saturday at 8 p.m.

cool bird
Aug 18th, 2003, 04:39 PM
The way I see it is in Venus hands weather she wins the Open or not. If she plays the way she did at wimbledon it very hard for me to see any body beating her. If she does not well it open. To be honest nobody gonna know the real state of Venus until she steps put on the court and strikes her frist ball.

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 04:52 PM
I think Venus and Serena have still too much power for Justine.

On clay this power advantage is being rubbed out and then one sees that Justine is probably more talented (4-1 h2h against Serena and Venus on clay).

The decision to play the biggest part of the season on hardcourts has given a huge advantage to the power players (the American media have pushed the tour to play on hardcourt in stead of on clay because the play is quicker and it looks more spectacular). This also made the tour harder because the bodies of the players can't endure the hardcourts (clay is a lot less demanding on the body).

Pat Etcheberry told Justine that she needs another 2 to 3 years before her body is strong enough to compete with the real power girls (Serena and Venus). Justine's work has made her play a lot more powerful, but it is still not enough. I wonder how the play of Justine will evolve the next years. One year training with Pat has made a tremendous difference for her results. If Pat is right, then Justine will be at her best in 2006.

Justine keeps repeating that she wants to play at least another 10 years. She wants a very long career.

Justine is 3-1 vs. Serena on clay and 1-1 vs. Venus on clay 4-2 overall.

lizchris
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:02 PM
Just stats, history..it shows how it was..but doesn't mean it will stay that way. Both Justine and Kim have improved a lot this year, breaking with all their past negative stats.

Serena had won 4 GS's in a row..great statistics. But it doesn't mean she will win the next 4 too (as already proven ;))


They may have improved since the last USO, but the facts are:

Neither Kim nor Justine has beaten Venus or Serena on any surface other than clay in 2003

Serena didn't win the French Open, but she won Wimbeldon, a tournament Justine nor Kim has never won

CamilleVidann
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:07 PM
As a dedicated Venus fan, I must go along the realistic line. She's not the favorite to win it this time around. She sure has a shot at it but a long shot. Justine may be the favorite followed by Kim. Venus didn't enter any lead-up tourny to the Open which could be costy for her. She really needs a lenient draw which also has to be challenging enough to give her some match practice before she faces the big two. I would be over the moon if Venus won the whole thing really... but I sincerily doubt that will happen. She really has to luck up.

TeeRexx
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:11 PM
Always nitpicking.
Fans can say any positive thing they want in regards to their faves.
It doesn't have to be limited to "gee, I really hope or gosh, I sure wish".

One can be confident and say, "My fave is definitely going to win."

Confidence breeds success.
Thinking like a loser is the path to failure.

VS - I meant 5 of the last 6 GS. No, I wasn't sleeping, just too many beers while typing. :eek:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:13 PM
"Confidence breeds success.
Thinking like a loser is the path to failure."

Yep! Which is one of the reasons why Venus and Serena are winners, on and off the court.

Jasmin
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:13 PM
I don’t know why they say that she will definitely win. I don’t think she will definitely win especially this time. I think if she is well she has a big shot at winning. That’s about it. All I can do is pray for her.

griffin
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:18 PM
Confidence breeds success.
Thinking like a loser is the path to failure.


Confidence in somone ELSE doesn't breed anything but an obsession ;)

Personally, I'm too superstitious and won't risk jinxing players by predicting tourney winners (at least not without Hingis playing :lol: ), but I don't get the problem with stating your belief in someone.

Knizzle
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:23 PM
As a dedicated Venus fan, I must go along the realistic line. She's not the favorite to win it this time around. She sure has a shot at it but a long shot. Justine may be the favorite followed by Kim. Venus didn't enter any lead-up tourny to the Open which could be costy for her. She really needs a lenient draw which also has to be challenging enough to give her some match practice before she faces the big two. I would be over the moon if Venus won the whole thing really... but I sincerily doubt that will happen. She really has to luck up.

If she comes in healthy I think she is most definitely the favorite.

bandabou
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:35 PM
I don't think you have watched the 5 matches on clay. Venus was completely outplayed at Berlin. Venus has so much success against Justine because she is so strong. She hits her backhand into the backhand of Justine with all the force she has and then Venus runs to the net. At that moment the one handed backhand of Justine doesn't have the time to return the ball. On clay this tactic doesn't work because you have a little more time and at that moment Justine has the time to pass Venus.

At Charleston Justine wiped the floor with Serena. The match at RG was closer but Serena was in no way dictating the game all of the time (remember the first set where Serena was completely outplayed).

One of the reasons why the h2h is so in favour of the Williams sisters is because Kim and Justine almost never meet Serena and Venus on clay.

BTW : On grass the serve of Serena and Venus is (still) far too good.

Or is it the other way around?! Serena´s h2h against Juju would be better if they played more on grass and hardcourts than on clay.

Juju outplayed Serena at the French, huh?! Or was it Serena clanking balls in the net?! What happened in the second and third sets?! Exactly, Serena got steady and voila! She was winning and then the crowd got into it...

Diya
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:37 PM
Or is it the other way around?! Serena´s h2h against Juju would be better if they played more on grass and hardcourts than on clay.

Juju outplayed Serena at the French, huh?! Or was it Serena clanking balls in the net?! What happened in the second and third sets?! Exactly, Serena got steady and voila! She was winning and then the crowd got into it...

The second set was really close ! and what about the first set where Henin clearly OUT PLAYED Serena Williams ?:confused:

CamilleVidann
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:40 PM
If she comes in healthy I think she is most definitely the favorite.

But the fact is she's not healthy and I don't think a week is enough for her to make a complete recovery from the injury if that's any in the first place.

TeeRexx
Aug 18th, 2003, 05:43 PM
Griff - You seemed to be obsessed with me, eh?
I am confident and I appreciate people who demonstrate the same qualities.
This virtue was instilled in me by my parents, parochial school education and the Marines. :) :p

Ballbuster
Aug 18th, 2003, 07:59 PM
Accept it. The z are bad! Must this board get beaten over the head again for them to understand.

Damn

Toontje
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:32 PM
The most consistent players at the US open are....Venus, Serena, Lindsay Davenport and Hingis.

My favorites for this year are 1. Venus 2. Kim 3. Lindsay 4. Justine



US Open 2002

F Serena Williams(1) d. Venus Williams(2) 6-4 6-2

SF Serena Williams(1) d. Lindsay Davenport(4) 6-3 7-5
SF Venus Williams(2) d. Amelie Mauresmo(10) 6-3 5-7 6-4

QF Serena Williams(1) d. Daniela Hantuchova(11) 6-2 6-2
QF Lindsay Davenport(4) d. Elena Bovina 3-6 6-0 6-2
QF Amelie Mauresmo(10) d. Jennifer Capriati(3) 4-6 7-65 6-3
QF Venus Williams(2) d. Monica Seles(6) 6-2 6-3


US Open 2001

F Venus Williams(4) d. Serena Williams(10) 6-2 6-4

SF Serena Williams(10) d. Martina Hingis(1) 6-3 6-2
SF Venus Williams(4) d. Jennifer Capriati(2) 6-4 6-2

QF Martina Hingis(1) d. Daja Bedanova 6-2 6-0
QF Serena Williams(10) d. Lindsay Davenport(3) 6-3 6-77 7-5
QF Venus Williams(4) d. Kim Clijsters(5) 6-3 6-1
QF Jennifer Capriati(2) d. Amelie Mauresmo(8) 6-3 6-4


US Open 2000

F Venus Williams(3) d. Lindsay Davenport(2) 6-4 7-5

SF Venus Williams(3) d. Martina Hingis(1) 4-6 6-3 7-5
SF Lindsay Davenport(2) d. Elena Dementieva 6-2 7-65

QF Martina Hingis(1) d. Monica Seles(6) 6-0 7-5
QF Venus Williams(3) d. Nathalie Tauziat(8) 6-4 1-6 6-1
QF Elena Dementieva d. Anke Huber(10) 6-1 3-6 6-3
QF Lindsay Davenport(2) d. Serena Williams(5) 6-4 6-2


US Open 1999

F Serena Williams(7) d. Martina Hingis(1) 6-3 7-64

SF Martina Hingis(1) d. Venus Williams(3) 6-1 4-6 6-3
SF Serena Williams(7) d. Lindsay Davenport(2) 6-4 1-6 6-4

QF Martina Hingis(1) d. Anke Huber 6-2 6-0
QF Venus Williams(3) d. Barbara Schett(12) 6-4 6-3
QF Serena Williams(7) d. Monica Seles(4) 4-6 6-3 6-2
QF Lindsay Davenport(2) d. Mary Pierce(5) 6-2 3-6 7-5


US Open 1998

F Lindsay Davenport(2) d. Martina Hingis(1) 6-3 7-5

SF Martina Hingis(1) d. Jana Novotna(3) 3-6 6-1 6-4
SF Lindsay Davenport(2) d. Venus Williams(5) 6-4 6-4

QF Martina Hingis(1) d. Monica Seles(6) 6-4 6-4
QF Jana Novotna(3) d. Patty Schnyder(11) 6-2 6-3
QF Venus Williams(5) d. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario(4) 2-6 6-1 6-1
QF Lindsay Davenport(2) d. Amanda Coetzer(13) 6-0 6-4


US Open 1997

F Martina Hingis(1) d. Venus Williams 6-0 6-4

SF Martina Hingis(1) d. Lindsay Davenport(6) 6-2 6-4
SF Venus Williams d. Irina Spirlea(11) 7-65 4-6 7-67

QF Lindsay Davenport(6) d. Jana Novotna(3) 6-2 4-6 7-65
QF Martina Hingis(1) d. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario(10) 6-3 6-2
QF Irina Spirlea(11) d. Monica Seles(2) 6-77 7-66 6-3
QF Venus Williams d. Sandrine Testud 7-5 7-5

BigTennisFan
Aug 18th, 2003, 08:55 PM
You know, it's amazing to me that some of the posters who have clearly been around message boards (considering their number of posts) seem to have just fallen off the turnip truck. :(


Of course we know that there is no way to absolutely predict what will happen in a tennis tournament. It's tennis after all.

But to whine and complain because someone predicts their faves will absolutely win is ridiculous. IT'S WHAT WE DO ON MESSAGE BOARDS!
We are not writing Doctoral dissertations that have to be defended.

Hell, if you cut out the speculation about all topics, this place would shut down. :(