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jenglisbe
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:37 PM
I am guessing this has happened in Moscow, (probably a few times) but I doubt it's all that common...or is it?

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:38 PM
yea, maybe Moscow 2001 when Dokic won? Tauziat also won Moscow I believe.

jenglisbe
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:40 PM
Moscow really needs to be downgraded...

katrientje
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:41 PM
This week indeed didn't feel like a Tier I and next week will be even worse :-((

rhz
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:42 PM
WTA needs to reschedule a lot of tourneys period. Moscow timing is completely wrong, Tokyo aso, a tier 1 after a Slam... stupidd!!

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Moscow really needs to be downgraded...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

if you're too scared to come too bad
thats your problem
the players that do come love it.

The Guilty
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:42 PM
I think in Charleston last year, with Iva Majoli beating Patty Schnyder.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:45 PM
Moscow timing is wrong ??
its in indoor season so its in a fine place
it does move back 2 weeks next yr so get ready to bring your woollies :p(j/k)


when do you want it to be held ??? June ??

Hingiswinsthis
Aug 17th, 2003, 07:46 PM
I don't think Moscow should be downgraded, that huge country and the # of its players, THEY NEED to have a huge event. Martina Hingis, Venus Williams, Lindsay Davenport, Anna K (have to add her;)) have participated in the past.

rhz
Aug 17th, 2003, 08:05 PM
the reason i said Moscow timing is wrong was because it is almost at the end of the Indoor season, so close to the Championship, where it is held in LA. Most of the other tournaments that season are in the Western Europe, they have to go back east to play Moscow.

fried_beans
Aug 17th, 2003, 08:08 PM
Moscows really not that close to the end of the season... There are a few weeks in between at least.

Serendy Willick
Aug 17th, 2003, 08:08 PM
I like Moscow, and the stars apparently do too. Mauresmo, Davenport, Hingis, and Vee Williams all showed up there last year.

jenglisbe
Aug 17th, 2003, 08:15 PM
Stars liking an event doesn't make it a Tier 1. I think the premiere events should consistently have the majority of top 10 players playing in them. Moscow is lucky if it gets like three top 10 players each year.

I also agree that it's dumb to have Tokyo the week after a major. I am amazed at how often they get decent draws there, including players who do well in Australia.

jenglisbe
Aug 17th, 2003, 08:19 PM
AnnaKFan - I think you are right; Iva beat both Coetzer and Testud there, but I think they had fallen out of the top 10 by then?? I know Serena lost there that year. Did any other top 10 players play, or was the draw weak from the start?

Hewitt225
Aug 17th, 2003, 08:27 PM
AnnaKFan - I think you are right; Iva beat both Coetzer and Testud there, but I think they had fallen out of the top 10 by then?? I know Serena lost there that year. Did any other top 10 players play, or was the draw weak from the start?

patty snyder beat both capriati and serena, then lost to majoli who was definitely not in the top ten. oh seles played too.

Kart
Aug 17th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Seles lost early to Foretz (?) that year.

As for Moscow, I don't see why it should be downgraded - they get more top players than Tokyo.

Anyway it's a good opportunity for good players, not necessarily at the top, to show what they can do and get big points for doing so.

CJ07
Aug 17th, 2003, 09:47 PM
I think Moscow could be moved to earlier in the year or atleast move tokyo to after moscow or before it

SJW
Aug 17th, 2003, 09:48 PM
Patty also beat Mauresmo

Toronto was shit....plain and simple. its a shame cos WTA Canada was previously my fave non slam event

im glad Sky Sports did Cinci....

DEETHELICK
Aug 18th, 2003, 12:05 AM
Toronto was only exciting this year when Elena D played IMO.

Her matches against Justine and Amelie seemed to be the most entertaining, from what I saw and what I've picked up!

Ted of Teds Tennis
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:00 AM
Moscow has generally been before Filderstadt and Zurich, so players start in the east of Europe and head west.

The notion that Moscow's scheduling is problematic because the WTA Championships are held in Los Angeles really only shows what an idiotic decision it was to move the WTA Championships to LA. :rolleyes:

Doc
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:06 AM
The play in Toronto has been great. And the standard of play is what counts in bringing new supporters to the sport.

What decides whether a Tournament is Tier 1 or 2 is the amount of prize money the sponsors are prepared to put up, then it's up to the WTA to ensure a minimum attendance of Top Ten players.

So "downgrading" Moscow or Canada would achieve nothing but to reduce the players' prize money!

Sam L
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:07 AM
I think Moscow's fine, in fact all the tier I's are fine.

I think get rid of Tokyo. It's so useless having a Tier I right after a GS. What for?

Either have one in Australia before the Oz or make San Diego Tier I. Or a grasscourt Tier I.

fammmmedspin
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:08 AM
Doesn't the lack of fit top 10 players and top tenners capable of winning their matches plus the fact that until the final we had a lot of good 3 set matches actually tell us something ? Perhaps not having much of the top 10 there is not such a bad thing?

rhz
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:09 AM
1 more week between french and wimbledon of course! San Diego will be a tier 1 next year

Hawk
Aug 18th, 2003, 01:56 AM
I wouldn't worry about Canada..all the top players will be back next year. This is the first year in awhile the field hasn't been very strong..they had 5 of the top 10 when they usually get 8 or so.