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broncosven
Aug 14th, 2003, 09:57 AM
When will some of these youngers players actually promise what talent they show

Some start of good (at oz open) then fall away like

Cindy Watson
Bry anne Stewart
Amanda Graheme
Beti Sekuloski
and so on . . .

they starty off and have a good year (like most of the above who were ranked inside the top 180) and then accomplish nothing else and no unfortunately sink further and further down the rankings

Sam, Christina and Evie dont seem to be doing anyhting . . Nicole and Lisa should think about hanging up the racquet and luckily nicole and alicia are saving australia seom pride at the moment

I know who have 'others' coming through like

Casey
Adriana
Lauren C
Lauren B
Lara
Jessica
Danielle
and so on . . .

but how many of these girls will fulfill our expectations or will they lose there sense of culture and begin the tour then sink like so many before them


Peace Out

p.s. lets pray for better things coming up at US like i mean about 4 in main draw, or am i hoping for too much

Gowza
Aug 14th, 2003, 10:51 AM
sam and danielle should be pretty good players and so should sophie. i think sam is the future of aussie tennis, sam and alicia will take us through the next 7 or so years (+ or -). evie really should be up with alicia and nicole saving australian tennis. casey should also be quite good. at the moment things look promising but we are going through a rough period and our prospects don't always fullfill their potential.

good luck to the girls!

Gowza
Aug 14th, 2003, 10:54 AM
but hopefully alicia's performances this year will motivate the younger ones to really step up. alicia has actually given them a standard to look up at and naturally as the leading prospects of the country they should be trying to reach that or better it but i think alicia actually doing what she has done has helped a lot and now i think there is more of a chacne that some of our girls will reach their potential.

broncosven
Aug 14th, 2003, 11:06 AM
Very well said Gowza

i forgot about

Sophie
and
Olivia

those 2 do look to have good futures along with the rest


I do agree about alicia being a model to these younger grils - she won our first title in many years and it would at home to which would of showed a few home grown girls in person

thats always the question about are we coachig them right - its hard to say since our area is so isoalted compared with north/south america , asia and europe so our girls perhaps have false pretences about other girls outsdie australia and then when they do play they get a big shock

but lets hope a few can get through and crack top 20 or 50 atleast

Mattographer
Aug 14th, 2003, 01:31 PM
I think Amanda Grahame retired but I don't sure, though.

AUSBOY
Aug 14th, 2003, 02:21 PM
When will some of these youngers players actually promise what talent they show

Some start of good (at oz open) then fall away like

Cindy Watson
Bry anne Stewart
Amanda Graheme
Beti Sekuloski
and so on . . .

they starty off and have a good year (like most of the above who were ranked inside the top 180) and then accomplish nothing else and no unfortunately sink further and further down the rankings

Sam, Christina and Evie dont seem to be doing anyhting . . Nicole and Lisa should think about hanging up the racquet and luckily nicole and alicia are saving australia seom pride at the moment


When did Sekulowski ever do well at the Australian Open????
She missed a lot of this year with injuries.

Cindy wasnt a young chicken when she reached the 3rd round, she was a veteran of the challenger circuit aged 24. She also has battled injuries most of this year, she has just started her comeback playin local pennant and totally dominating which is a good sign.

Grahame and Stewart certainly showed a lot of talent in 96-98 as juniors but never have really been able to take their game to a higher level after a few years hovering round 150-200. Amanda nearly retired before her run to the semis at Canberra in 2002. She was all set to continue but has suffered injuries most of the year.

Why should Nicole and Lisa think about hanging up their racquets? Nicole nearly had her first win over a top 10 player today and will finish the year in the top 50! McShea has already won like 5 challenger titles this year, she's earning good money. Plus she is still in the top 8 nationally in singles!

Certainly this year has been disastrous for Australian women tennis. Alicia and Nicole have flown the flag and have had solid years, Evie has done her usual mediocre, Stosur's making ground. Monique Adamzcak and Nicole Kriz have returned successfully from injuries and Breadmore and Dellacqua have made steady progress.

However there is a gaping whole now in our rankings. Below Wheeler (170ish rank), there is only flailing McQuillan, Breadmore and McShea in the top 300 This is largely due to injuries to Watson, Grahame, Horiatopolous, Kriz, Hewitt, and retirements of Dowse, and Belobradjic.

Another reason lot of this was due to poor allocation of wildcards, awarding them to players that hadnt even proved their junior ability outside Australia which totally backfired in Tennis Australia's face as 3 'promising' juniors won a total of 6 games combined in their qualifying matches. A lot of players were 'pissed off' as they felt they deserved/had earned the rights to a wildcard into at least one of the Australian events and were snubbed. Not only does this national snubbing cause a bit of 'self doubt' with the players concerned it also leaves them up shit creek financially too.

Players over 23, like Watson and Dittmann especially were dealt a raw deal!

Over 35 wildcards get distributed to Australian players each year for the singles events in the 5 WTA/ITF tournaments in Australia. This year more than 20 aussie females were granted a wildcard into at least 1 event, however our 8th ranked player didnt receive a single wildcard at all because she was considered too old? How does that work!!! With a top 250 ranking in singles and doubles she didnt even get a doubles wildcard either!!! After the Aussie Circuit was over Mireille had less than $250 dollars in prize money, not even enough for a plane ticket. How disillusioned would you feel????? Your number 8 in the country, just had your best year ever and are then not deemed 'worthy' of a wildcard/financial support!

Tennis Australia needs to help more the players ranked 200-500 and not get carried away with juniors that have unproven potential! Wildcards are their to help players get a 'lucky break' and to offer them some prizemoney to support their progression, not to give some school kids with no ranking an 'experience' and some money to blow on clothes and cds!

Im a strong believer that unless you have a top 100 junior world rank or top 800 Senior rank that a wildcard shouldnt been an option! Dokic certainly was never granted a wildcard until she had proven herself in Juniors!

azza
Aug 14th, 2003, 03:25 PM
Sam is in 50k bronx this week but whelle lost in the 2nd round of quallies and ohh. i see Maquillian lose to.. in 1st round quallies

broncosven
Aug 14th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Forgive me Aussboy i meant Racheal not Nicole (thinking of nicole bratke)

Thats true about the governing body being a bit of an asshole towards our players but still most should be able to make an impact on world tennis

we all know injuies ruin promising starts and etc but some of our girls retire to early pershaps - like amanda, jenny and mellisa - although they were getting on in year they would of still been able to play if they wanted to

and that gap is pretty big just roughly

alicia and nicole (50-60)
evie (120)
sam(140)
christina (170)
racheal (200)
lauren b(270!!)
few others . . . . . .

Its alroght for aussies to play in challengers and stuff bu they need to do well not just lose 1st rounds and in qualifying . also monique is also playing a challenger too and i think in 3rd round


that is really shocking and we need our stars to perform on home soil to get off to a good year. Thats the good thing this year at least for the rest of the year we have barely any points to defend anywhere ( in us) and come aus season only Alicia (tas) and nicole and sam (oz open) has any points to defend. This is our chacne to set a f ew players up for the rest of the year and hopefully realise there potentail - but it seems almost eerytime a young aussie gets in a draw they face a seed, whether that is riged or luck . . . . .we shall never know

COMON AUSSIE

azza
Aug 14th, 2003, 10:17 PM
Pratt loves hardcourts look for her in the 2-3+ rounds hopefully Alicia Hmm 3 round hopefully!

broncosven
Aug 15th, 2003, 03:02 AM
Yes hopefully this will get some encouraging results in us and thus leading into Oz open

nicole should get to 3rd
alicia should get to the 3rd

with favourable draws
sam should quailfy and get to 2nd
evie will hopefuly qaulify
racheal will hopefully quailfy

and chirstina and lauren with get to final round

and then we discussed get better results and smarter wildcards leading into aussie events

louloubelle
Aug 15th, 2003, 06:27 AM
Some of these girl that have been mentioned could have God on their side and they still wouldn't achieve what is hoped. I haven't seen too many Aussie girls with TALENT that would sustain a fruitful career. Probably apart from Stewart who I thought at one stage had the strokes to do something, the likes of Watson, graham, ellwood, never really had the talent, strength or temperment to do much! So I feel what's happened isn't really surprising.

Molik, Stosur seem to have the strength and hopefully will keep plugging away.

What Nicole Pratt has done is phenomenal considering her lack of strengths.

The wildcard debate has been discussed back and forth since the start of the year!!! I think we've all mentioned our positions over and over!

TS
Aug 15th, 2003, 10:08 AM
Ausboy should be employed by Dittmann Pty Ltd ;)

Bleh, I have nothing to add. I'm tired.

SpikeyAidanm
Aug 15th, 2003, 10:25 AM
Adriani Szilli, Sam Stosur, Molik, Olivia Luckasaweizch = talent

The rest have to work hard.

TS
Aug 15th, 2003, 10:34 AM
Szili? *laughs* Sorry...

Yes she's got talent....but is yet to win a match all year. She's gone...most people on here know how much I like Adriana (one of my faves) but the kid has blown her chance.

broncosven
Aug 15th, 2003, 11:08 AM
For our sake lets hope she can turn it around along with monique and cindy who are just starting again after injuries

mirelle, brianne, lisa and both laurens who havent really done much

casey to continue her change from jun to senior

sam, christina, evie and racheal to win more macthes and climb closer to 100 mark

and nicole and alicia keep leading our proud country


Oh and tennis australia to figure out what they are doing and get our country among the great tennis nations where we used to be!!!

azza
Aug 15th, 2003, 02:51 PM
Nicole Kris just won a 10k event! and before that made it to the semi finals of another 10k she has juts won her 1st round match in another 10k event 6-4 6-4 her rank is 700s but if she keeps going like this she will be up to 25k tournies and 50k tournies in 2-3 yrs she is 19 or 20 years old :)

Vicky88
Aug 15th, 2003, 10:13 PM
I agree that we have had the wildcard debate so many times, and it is an issue that we will never agree on. All I can add is that I believe every wildcard available in Australian tournaments should always be allocated to one of our own. I don't care if it comes down to choosing between Anna Kournikova or Adriana Szilli, Australian powers that be are obliged to give the leg up to the Australian girl.

Only other thing I would like to add is that sometimes it takes more than talent to get up the rankings. We have seen in the past that some of our most talented players have not been able to make it because of homesickness. I think it is important that these girls have a good support system through their families/friends/tennis Australia. Also a good draw can make or break a players year. Imagine if one of our wildcards from the AO had of gotten a draw which allowed them to play two of the lowest ranked automatic entrance who hates the AO surface, what a difference that would make to their ranking/years results.

broncosven
Aug 15th, 2003, 10:41 PM
I wont say nething more about the wildcards as obviously people know where each other stand

but i will say that it would be very nice for some of our younger players to get into Oz open or other Oz tournies and win a few rounds - not 1 person (except molik) made it past first round last year and not 1 person qualified and that is pathetic then as many of u know only nicole and sam made it anywhere in the open

and with sams form she needs to repeat performance or risk sinking down the rankings like so many others . . . but she has the promise and has shown it but just needs to be more consistent and get some lucky breaks in her matches

comon aussie

p.s. best of luck to the younger aussies plzying 10K's let improve up to 25 and 50K and get that ranking up

Gowza
Aug 16th, 2003, 12:11 AM
didn't evie reach the 3rd round at the open this year?

azza
Aug 16th, 2003, 12:16 AM
Yep

broncosven
Aug 16th, 2003, 04:03 AM
oops forgive me i forgot about evie . . . . . sry

Vicky88
Aug 16th, 2003, 06:19 AM
Sometimes it is the luck of the draw who they get which will in part determine how far they go. Think it might have been 2002, in just about all the Opens, all our girls were drawing one of the top 16 seeds in the first round. It happened every time. I'm just hoping that both Alicia and Nicole get favourable draws for USO.

broncosven
Aug 16th, 2003, 10:34 PM
Yeah and well this year outside of Oz open where we have so many players about 5/8 that have played in French and Wimbledon have played seeds

Couple i remeber are maleeva, safina, davenport, danillado

azza
Aug 16th, 2003, 10:49 PM
Safina wasnt a seed :confused:

broncosven
Aug 17th, 2003, 01:30 AM
Wasnt she No.31 or 32 at wimbeldon??

im not sure just trying to recall . . can anyone else remember some of them or well the matches

Fraggle
Aug 20th, 2003, 08:47 PM
I think ppl need to understand how tough it can be for the aussie girls...

They bloom late, we all know that, and as a result, the longer it takes to make a mark, the more chances there are for things to go wrong.....

Also, it seems they always get bad draws, not an excuse...but it can be hard to break through if you have to contend with a seed every first round....

Take Samantha for example....Aus Open -Conchita Martinez, Fortunately she got thru with a great win(but it could have been another WC down the drain)
Wimbledon - Lindsay Davenport, tough ask on court 1, but performed great.

There seem to be people saying she had better hurry up and break through quickly or the ranking will slide.... Maybe, but she has had a hideous year all year round with draws....its a tough circuit out there!

I think someone on the forum said its a good thing she didnt play that fed cup match or we would have lost....pretty silly comment really.....
I have been told that in her match against Castano last week, she had to hit slice backhands all match due to a wrist injury....in the light of that, I think her performance was admirable.

broncosven
Aug 21st, 2003, 03:04 AM
ill start by saying i dont think that person who posted that meant any how with it but that fact that she was down on confidence and nicole was more then capable that they made they right decision

Our juniors expectations are high when they get out there and i agree they are 'babied' at home and when they get on the road they dont get the same amount of nurturing they receive at home

A few players stick it out and acheive alot more in there 7th year and if most of our juniors stuck it out that long they would acheive the result

With the Oz Season rolling around it will interesting to see oif any juniors improve on there performances that they acheived this year

Gowza
Aug 21st, 2003, 04:03 AM
we actually don't have that many up and coming players which is another reason why we don't get the breakthroughs. look at russia at the moment they have so many juniors that some are bound to get a break or make a breakthrough but we only have a small number of players. i guess another problem is that the competition here isn't all that tough for our top players that are good enough to be pro. they don't get that competitive edge or that fight in them because they win so easily but out on the tour it is all about fight and hard work.

i have a serious question, how hard do our top players work when they are young? since we don't have that hard competition some may not train as hard because it is not needed as they can win anyway but if they want to do well on the tour then this causes 2 problems. 1) it means they aren't use to working for it so they may stay in their habit. 2) working hard at that young age is essential because that is when they learn the most and start getting into their habits.

i'm not saying this is happening i'm asking a serious question that i hope someone can answer for me.

louloubelle
Aug 21st, 2003, 06:00 AM
we actually don't have that many up and coming players which is another reason why we don't get the breakthroughs. look at russia at the moment they have so many juniors that some are bound to get a break or make a breakthrough but we only have a small number of players. i guess another problem is that the competition here isn't all that tough for our top players that are good enough to be pro. they don't get that competitive edge or that fight in them because they win so easily but out on the tour it is all about fight and hard work.

i have a serious question, how hard do our top players work when they are young? since we don't have that hard competition some may not train as hard because it is not needed as they can win anyway but if they want to do well on the tour then this causes 2 problems. 1) it means they aren't use to working for it so they may stay in their habit. 2) working hard at that young age is essential because that is when they learn the most and start getting into their habits.

i'm not saying this is happening i'm asking a serious question that i hope someone can answer for me.

It depends on the player. They maybe working their butts off, but they could work as hard as they ever could, but never have the talent or the mental capacity to make it.

I think we aren't choosing the RIGHT players to support. We are looking at the girls who COULD make it onto the tour - not the girls that COULD make a difference on the tour.

broncosven
Aug 21st, 2003, 06:39 AM
Russia is a good example they would have more people in the top 100 then We do in 500 . . . . unfortunately thats not good :sad:

Our girls arent exposed enough to other tennis - a junior tournament right now in fiji where Olivia is into the singles final and Jessica Engels (who lived 5 mins away from me) and danielle dominikovic (sry bout spelling) are into the girls doubles finals

there definately is PROMISE there but the transaction for our girls is hardly ever smooth and successful

broncosven
Aug 24th, 2003, 04:58 AM
Some goods news has come from around world, easing our pain in the lean showing in the US qualies

Belgium
Nicole Kriz in final 8

San Maniro
Monique Adamzack into semis

Netherlands
Kristen Van elden in final 8

All have taken out a seed in the 1st round and should make it further
great to see the trio having some luck and good play after injuries


does anyone know how they got the injuries in hte 1st place and how long they have been out for?

TS
Aug 24th, 2003, 02:09 PM
Monique had a shoulder injury last year...was out for most of 2002. She returned at the end of last year with minimal success in the Aussie challenger series. She finally got her game together when she won 2 Aussie satellites this year in March/April. So it's been a hard slog back for her...oh and she's into the QF of San Marino, not SF. I got confused too, but the poster just posted the wrong round score that's all.

I think Nicole did her knee, not sure. As for Kristen, I'm not sure if she was injured....I think she just took some time off (a couple months only) and spent most of it training in Germany.

There is no way you can compare the situation in Russia (for example) to the one here...also, one thing the Russian girls have that most of our own DON'T...and that is, work ethic. I'm not saying our girls (and guys) don't work hard, but that their idea of hard training would be chicken feed to what the Russians do. Also, it's hard when most of them are trying to combine school, outside interests and basically being a kid, with the pressures of making it on the circuit. We have discussed this before, I just don't think most of the girls here are prepared to put in the hours to make it on the pro tour.

Vicky88
Aug 24th, 2003, 05:20 PM
I think you are probably right on the work ethic. Maybe it is lack of hunger for success. Australia is a relatively soft country, we have so much and there are so many opportunities. Life in Russia is a lot tougher, can't imagine they have dole payments and housing subsidies like we do. Think for a lot of the Russians it's be a success or have a life of misery, so that would have to be a great motivator.


Monique had a shoulder injury last year...was out for most of 2002. She returned at the end of last year with minimal success in There is no way you can compare the situation in Russia (for example) to the one here...also, one thing the Russian girls have that most of our own DON'T...and that is, work ethic. I'm not saying our girls (and guys) don't work hard, but that their idea of hard training would be chicken feed to what the Russians do. Also, it's hard when most of them are trying to combine school, outside interests and basically being a kid, with the pressures of making it on the circuit. We have discussed this before, I just don't think most of the girls here are prepared to put in the hours to make it on the pro tour.

broncosven
Aug 25th, 2003, 04:58 AM
thats true about work ethic and expossure but how do we do that

have more tournies about here??

that one thing id like to see . .. more wta tournies , not challengers or satellites , in aus - nz - fiji etc . . the only problem would be funding

if we put the OZ open back a week or 2 it would allow more events for us to put our players in

broncosven
Aug 31st, 2003, 01:33 AM
Well Alicia and Nicole seem to be doing well

AUSSIE WATCH

I no that Kriz and Adamzak lost early in there tournies

Most of the girls that got knocked out of qualifing are playing in a US challenger

In the Japan challangers series saw an early exit for chueng and barr
but still a great idea to play there

Hopefully aussies season comes around we will get some more positive wins . . . btw when does the uncle tobys challenger series start and does anyone know if its one or two wildcards to the winner

azza
Aug 31st, 2003, 02:05 AM
not sure does how long does it go for?

Vicky88
Aug 31st, 2003, 02:56 AM
I would like to see more challengers in the Australian region. Would be great if there were more $50K challengers from September thru to the end of the year, then from AO onto March/April.

Problem is if we had more tournaments in the region the higher ranked players would come sniffing for the points/dosh.

With challengers it is not financially worth the higher ranked overseas players making their way to Australia. If there were a dozen or so $50K tournies in Oz, the Ozzie girls with a bit of effort should be able to get themselves enough points to try and get their rankings up. Lets face it, only by getting their rankings up are they going to start getting direct entry to o/s tournies and maybe that would give them more confidence.

As for the worth ethic, hate to say it, but so many of the teenagers of today seems to have a sense of entitlement. They don't reaily know what a struggle is like. The world owes them, everything has been handed to them on a plate and for that reason they are not hungry enough to work for what they want. I see Dokic's worth ethic/desire having been borne from coming from a crappy situation and knowing one way things would get better for her would be through tennis. I guess for some girls it is a case of it's a case of if tennis doesn't work out I'll go to Uni in a couple of years. If they want to learn about work ethic and doing it hard, they have Nicole Pratt as an example of what can be achieved by believing in yourself and working hard.


thats true about work ethic and expossure but how do we do that

have more tournies about here??

that one thing id like to see . .. more wta tournies , not challengers or satellites , in aus - nz - fiji etc . . the only problem would be funding

if we put the OZ open back a week or 2 it would allow more events for us to put our players in

louloubelle
Sep 2nd, 2003, 07:59 AM
As for the worth ethic, hate to say it, but so many of the teenagers of today seems to have a sense of entitlement. They don't reaily know what a struggle is like. The world owes them, everything has been handed to them on a plate and for that reason they are not hungry enough to work for what they want. I see Dokic's worth ethic/desire having been borne from coming from a crappy situation and knowing one way things would get better for her would be through tennis. I guess for some girls it is a case of it's a case of if tennis doesn't work out I'll go to Uni in a couple of years. If they want to learn about work ethic and doing it hard, they have Nicole Pratt as an example of what can be achieved by believing in yourself and working hard.

Extrememly well said....

Having more tournaments here won't solve the problem. Establishing training camps overseas, individualised coaching and exposing kids to true competition whilst overseas for an extended time will breed toughness and a work ethic.