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Knizzle
Aug 7th, 2003, 06:21 AM
To me Kim really seems like she doesn't want to become #1 right now. She is downplaying it so much in the media that it is sickening. Usually when someone is going to become #1 they can't wait to get there, but Clijsters seems reluctant to take the role as the #1 player. I think she will feel extreme pressure in holding the #1 spot, and could take a slide after achieving #1. I just have a bad feeling that she won't be comfortable at #1. Anyone else think so??

Lisbeth
Aug 7th, 2003, 08:05 AM
She's in an impossible position. If she makes even the slightest sign that she's pleased, people jump down her throat about how she doesn't deserve it yet. I don't think she's being "sickening" but rather very diplomatic and sensitive to the issues some people have with Serena losing the #1.

But to answer your question, I doubt it will affect her much either way once the morbid hysteria dies down. She's a very sensible girl.

~|Naomi|~
Aug 7th, 2003, 12:50 PM
No I don't think she will

As Number1Kim said she is an impossible position.
If Kim gets it she will be eternally happy. ut until then she isn't going to act like she is 1, like the media want, she doesn't want to talk about it, she wants to go one match at a time

oddkayla
Aug 7th, 2003, 12:53 PM
I think it wont affect her anyway, although it could be an added pressure because of her inability to hold her nerve in big-time matches!

She needs to improve mentally in terms of playing big time against the very best in later stages of slams. Being a semi-finalist is not good enough when you are supposed to be the very best in the world.
IMO her playing a lot hampers her ability to improve mentally because going from one tournament to the other, she has no time to reflect!

jenglisbe
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:23 PM
It might help her to be #1, actually, especially getting it this way (i.e. not having to do much). This way if she gets in a real fight for #1 over the next few years, she will have already achieved #1 and won't have to worry about it so much. It's like how winning a first major eases the pressure for the majors after it.

Chance
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:29 PM
It might help her to be #1, actually, especially getting it this way (i.e. not having to do much). .

that says a lot about the ranking system ...

Pureracket
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:40 PM
If I were her, I would drop out of the last hardcourt tourney and go straight to Flushing and practise on those courts. #1 is invevitable. What she needs to do now is focus on her first REAL opportunity to win a slam.

RAA
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:55 PM
I agree w/ pureracket.

I think she should be happy w/ the #1 ranking. Few players have achieved it. She should be proud. My goodness, she is not even officially the #1 player and you are already wondering if she is going to CHOKE on it???
:(

ridiculous!

anyway, she needs to be fresh and ready to go at the US Open. She really seems to have amazing stamina to play so much week in and out and still do so well. I'm hoping its not going to catch up to her.

meanwhile, she needs to get her boyfriend in GEAR.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 7th, 2003, 02:00 PM
Kim will be fine if she cuts down on her doubles with Ai. They are so good as a doubles team that she plays twice as much in each touranment she enters. So while her competition gets to rest she's out there working her ass off and tiring herself out. someone should tell her to ease off the doubles and to see if that helps her singles.

Infiniti2001
Aug 7th, 2003, 02:08 PM
If I were her, I would drop out of the last hardcourt tourney and go straight to Flushing and practise on those courts. #1 is invevitable. What she needs to do now is focus on her first REAL opportunity to win a slam.

Yep, I've been saying that all along. Meanwhile I still don't think she is a choker... She just hasn't figured how to elevate her game when the going gets tough.

Experimentee
Aug 7th, 2003, 02:10 PM
I dont really expect her to act like shes so pleased and act like its the best thing anyone can do, bc then it'll seem like shes pleased by Serena being injured and withdrawing from all these tournaments and she doesnt want it to seem like that. Kims a nice person and she doesnt like to get something through injury, and doesnt like to win matches bc of retirements etc, regardless if she would have won or not.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 7th, 2003, 02:59 PM
I just hope she doesn't do what Davenport did when she became number one. "Oh it's amazing,I can't believe it, I never thought....I'm just happy to be here."yadda yadda yadda...

Um excuse me LIndsay but you put in the hard work and dedication, you transformed your body.

bandabou
Aug 7th, 2003, 03:13 PM
I think it wont affect her anyway, although it could be an added pressure because of her inability to hold her nerve in big-time matches!

She needs to improve mentally in terms of playing big time against the very best in later stages of slams. Being a semi-finalist is not good enough when you are supposed to be the very best in the world.
IMO her playing a lot hampers her ability to improve mentally because going from one tournament to the other, she has no time to reflect!

So true, so true. The world no.1 can´t be content just to reach semi´s and stuff! Girl has to start winning the biggies!!

doloresc
Aug 7th, 2003, 03:49 PM
her anxiety will subside about the #1 ranking when she wins a major. i wish her well because henin-hardenne and venus will be her biggest obstacles.

Knizzle
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:10 AM
eerie, isn't it :eek:

jojoseph
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:12 AM
yes, way to go.

disposablehero
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:14 AM
Why would she choke as #1 when she didn't choke in the match that got her there?

Knizzle
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:15 AM
yes, way to go.

I know, sorry Kim. :o

jojoseph
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:18 AM
Why would she choke as #1 when she didn't choke in the match that got her there?

It probably had something to do with this thread. :o

skanky~skanketta
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:19 AM
good luck kim!

TeeRexx
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:28 AM
Hingis did not need quite the validation that Clijsters does because she did acquire 5 slams.

Kim will not have that validation for her #1 point ranking title until she can, somehow, win a GS title, which is not that likely at this year's Open.

Knizzle
Aug 15th, 2003, 04:42 AM
Why would she choke as #1 when she didn't choke in the match that got her there?

I really shouldn't have used the word "choke" cause I don't mean choking like people say Clijsters does. I'm just saying would she feel pressure from being the #1 player and take a slide in the level of her play. She lost today didn't she??

Knizzle
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:31 AM
Sorry again Kim. :o

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:35 AM
I don't believe her current ranking had any effect on her play. This match was very much like, if slightly better than, the Roland Garros encounter, where Kim was #2. I think a big part of the problem with Justine is that she knows what frustrates Kim and works towards making those things happen.

Knizzle
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:37 AM
I don't believe her current ranking had any effect on her play. This match was very much like, if slightly better than, the Roland Garros encounter, where Kim was #2. I think a big part of the problem with Justine is that she knows what frustrates Kim and works towards making those things happen.

So much for her not dropping a set in however many weeks huh DH?? She lost twice during that span. ;) Just giving you hell. :devil:

Ballbuster
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:39 AM
well, at least she got Leyton's weak shoulder to cry on.

Dawn Marie
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:41 AM
Justine has the better game. Much better nerves and yet I still think if Kim were playing Alex Stevenson that she woud still have lost.

Kim was CLEARLY nervous and even more so with the added pressure of #1.

Kim should lose that hollow rank and focus on slams and drop the doubles.

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:43 AM
So much for her not dropping a set in however many weeks huh DH?? She lost twice during that span. ;) Just giving you hell. :devil:

Once. To Krasnoroutskaya. Go back and search the thread. Find the date and measure 3 weeks. You will find that only takes you to before the original time the US Open Quarterfinal was scheduled for. I recognized the possibility that Kim might lose a set or even match in the last few rounds here. Which is why I chose 3 weeks.

If you are just giving me hell as a joke, I'd appreciate you sticking to the facts.

Knizzle
Sep 7th, 2003, 04:48 AM
Once. To Krasnoroutskaya. Go back and search the thread. Find the date and measure 3 weeks. You will find that only takes you to before the original time the US Open Quarterfinal was scheduled for. I recognized the possibility that Kim might lose a set or even match in the last few rounds here. Which is why I chose 3 weeks.

If you are just giving me hell as a joke, I'd appreciate you sticking to the facts.

You meant through the US Open though DH, come on now!!

SerenaSlam
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:12 AM
this is the main reason why people question and kim and continue to question kim. she isn't a true champion. and personally to me she doesn't have that "fighting spirit" that we have seen in past champions. she doesn't even feel like a number 1 player. i think justine has really figured out what to do against kim. choker? yes or no? i justine's game is just much or better than kims. so i don't think its a chocking matter. but i think sometimes, she doesn't show her best. other times, her opponets show her out, by just outright showing up and outplaying her. this is somthing kim did to lindsay davenport. will kim ever win a grandslam? well my personal opinion was, her only chance was w/out williams. they were gone. she played the final against someone who played over a 3 hour match the day before. about twice as long as her match. and yet she only won a total of 6 games in the final.

i didn't even watch the match. i just go back from out of town, and saw on SportsCenter that kim got crushed. hell i even forgot about the final. shocker and agassi, and sad for nalbandian. and i hear he had match points is this correct? but i fogot all about tennis today. i wonder what the attendance and ratings were?

with the sisters out of the picture, for a week it was kim followed by justine. after that it has been all justine, followed by kim (and i say there is a lil gap between these two right now)

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:28 AM
You meant through the US Open though DH, come on now!!

If I meant "Kim will not drop a set through the US Open", why wouldn't I have just said that instead of "3 weeks"? Wouldn't that have been a clearer message?

Knizzle
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:29 AM
So much for her not dropping a set in however many weeks huh DH?? She lost twice during that span. Just giving you hell.

CORRECTION!!! apparently DH didn't mean that Clijsters would go through Toronto AND the US Open without dropping a set. He meant only Toronto and the FIRST week of the US Open. I misinterpreted him and I apologize to DH for my mistake. :yeah:

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:31 AM
CORRECTION!!! apparently DH didn't mean that Clijsters would go through Toronto AND the US Open without dropping a set. He meant only Toronto and the FIRST week of the US Open. I misinterpreted him and I apologize to DH for my mistake. :yeah:

Thanks. Of course, there was the Krasnoroutskaya issue anyhow.

Dawn Marie
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:37 AM
Kim is a defensive style player. Stronger than ASV while not as crafty but faster and bigger than Coetzer.

It is time for Kim to stop running after points and work on the AGGRESSIVE style game and some Plan B's.

Justine was the one overpowering KIm and she had a Plan.

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:43 AM
Kim is a defensive style player. Stronger than ASV while not as crafty but faster and bigger than Coetzer.

It is time for Kim to stop running after points and work on the AGGRESSIVE style game and some Plan B's.

Justine was the one overpowering KIm and she had a Plan.

Kim is not as defensive against most players, and not that long ago was more aggressive against the top players as well. The problem is, she found this defensive style to be the most effective one against Serena, but also uses it against Venus and Justine, for whom it is the wrong strategy.

Kim was pushing Justine back on her heels and from side to side a lot. One big problem was she would too often hit the ball deep and then take a step or two backwards. If she had been moving forward instead of back, Justine would have had less time to set herself up for shots that could get her back in the point.

Dawn Marie
Sep 7th, 2003, 05:57 AM
Yet I really think it is Justine's game that has improved more than anything right now. Infact Justine was getting the balls back deeper imho and keeping Kim on her heels.

I do think next year Kim should focus on working on some new weapons. She is TOO defensive, that will not work in a slam final playing a TOP player.

Look I have to be honest here. Justine's game has really improved alot. She is mixing it up and owns a HUGE VARIETY of weapons.

Venus though can take her as Venus plays more aggressive and will win points off of her serve.

Honestly with Justine's new added game,I think that Kim will have the toughest time more than Venus and Serena.