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tennisIlove09
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:31 PM
Nordea Nordic Light Open - Helsinki, FIN
Silvija Talaja (CRO) d. (1) Patty Schnyder (SUI) 76(4) 62
Melinda Czink (HUN) d. (7) Clarisa Fernandez (ARG) 26 62 76(4)

Pdm1987
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:35 PM
Clarisa!!! That is truly terrible :rolleyes:

Rothes
Aug 6th, 2003, 04:21 AM
Patty :o :o
Patty in a slump? You could say that she has been very inconsistent and very erratic this year. I have yet not to see her play her best Tennis. Most Promising was at French Open agains't Justine Henin, other then that. It's Just Pattys normal game, right from her teenage years Patty been somewhat of a game of inconsistencies and erratic nature. Though Loosing to Talaja on Clay was something to ponder about.

Ohh no Maybe it was All Hoffmans fault that she lost,
Conspiracy I tell ya, Conspiracy, call in the Police.

Randy H
Aug 6th, 2003, 04:30 AM
Patty has had a few decent results this year, but she's really failed to pull off her very best tennis yet this year.

Not really a big surprise she lost to Talaja, Silvija is good on clay and is a dangerous player who only barely lost to Patty last week anyway, so it's no surprise she probably took away a few things to work on this time.

Clarisa has had a pretty rotten year for the most part, but the truth is she was always lucky to be where she was ranked last year. Her ranking right now is where she should be, she as potential to go higher again, but she has plenty that she needs to work on to do that.

Beat
Aug 6th, 2003, 12:45 PM
it is a scary situation, and hofmann is a scary man. but in the end, patty is a grown woman. she should stand by the actions she takes, blaming hofmann for everything is just a little bit too easy. if he has such a big influence on her life and tennis, then that' truly sad.

doloresc
Aug 6th, 2003, 12:47 PM
Nordea Nordic Light Open - Helsinki, FIN
Silvija Talaja (CRO) d. (1) Patty Schnyder (SUI) 76(4) 62
Melinda Czink (HUN) d. (7) Clarisa Fernandez (ARG) 26 62 76(4)

i was reading the paper this morning and thinking the exact same thing! i hope they snap out of it, particularly schnyder who's too good to be floundering her talent.

Dava
Aug 6th, 2003, 12:55 PM
Clarisa was like a flash in the pan, but Patty needs to sort herself out, or by Zurich she could be outside the top 30 althougther.

vogus
Aug 6th, 2003, 05:17 PM
"it is a scary situation, and hofmann is a scary man." (Beat)

my thoughts exactly. I am even worried about Hofmann turning violent if Patty tries to leave him. But on the other hand at some level, isn't Patty an adult and responsible for her own issues? This seems to be the central point.

Rothes
Aug 8th, 2003, 06:06 AM
Well maybe if you Suissies make like an antiwar demonstration and march around Zurich with signs saying "No More Hofmann", she'll wake up. Wishing and hoping ain't gonna do it!

Ohh yes what a wonderful Idea JR, Perhaps when I have a day of I will march around the streets of Geneva and gather a crowd of supporters and march up and down the street saying "Down with Hoffman" hoping that I appear on TV.

Maybe If your so infatuated with the situation, then you do something about it.

xcrtbckhnd
Aug 8th, 2003, 06:33 AM
Perhaps Silvija deserves some credit here? I have always loved her game and she has had her own set of less publicized set-backs to deal with. Could it be possible that she learned something from her 3rd set tiebreak loss to Patty last week and improved upon it this time? I think so...I love Patty too, but I don't think this loss is all about Patty's off-court issues.

LucasArg
Aug 8th, 2003, 06:35 AM
Clarisa will rise again, she is only 20 :angel:

bello
Aug 8th, 2003, 07:06 AM
Yeah Clarissa young, jsut gotr noticed so much cos of RG 02, and Patty does need to buckle down!!

switz
Aug 8th, 2003, 07:21 AM
this is just patty's way. she never performs well in these tournaments. yes really needs to take more of a risk and play the bigger tournaments in the US because she definitely turns up against quality players more than against lower ones. although i think talaja is a really good player. i'll always remember the year she should have beaten venus at the australian open + she was top 30 prior to a series of injuries. i'm not too concerned about these results from patty. she does have clear up all these issues that have plagued her for years now.

Jakeev
Aug 8th, 2003, 11:13 AM
The two are just on a long list of slumping players that includes Hantuchova, Bovina and Daniilidou.

Either that or the depth in women's tennis today is just that much better.

switz
Aug 8th, 2003, 04:14 PM
if you actually got out of your delusional state for a few minutes you might actually work it out that this has been my opinion since rainer harnecker entered patty's life. i stated my opinion on numerous occasions and have never said anything to the contrary. just because i don't believe it is my responsibility to actually solve the problems of a person i have never met or even really know as a person does not mean that i agree with the way she lives her life. if i did make it my responsibility to fix everyone's issues then i really wouldn't have much time on my hands, because most people's lives are screwed up in one way or another.

i'm sorry if you think that because i'm not active in fixing patty's problems that i some how agree with the way she lives. i don't. in the grand scheme of things, however, i don't view patty's situation as a more pressing concern to me than the war in iraq for instance, where innoncent people (both american and iraqi) are dying, or trying to support one of my girlfriends best-friends who is currently battling cancer.

i come on this board to talk to people about one of the few things in life which for me doesn't involve taking things too seriously. i know what your trying to do. i don't know your true motivation, but if what you do is for the right reasons then i respect you for that.

all i ask is that you don't try and make me a part of this whole issue. iit's your right to post what you want, i just don't want to be made to feel like a bad person for wanting to enjoy myself.

RAA
Aug 8th, 2003, 04:16 PM
Add shaughnessy to the list of playesr in a slump

switz
Aug 8th, 2003, 04:22 PM
i just realised something JR. i don't know if you know this but my username used to be schnyderlover before i got banned for threatening to go to switzerland and kill pat2003 (marco).

maybe if you read this thread it will at least clarify that i have no affinity for hoffman or patty being with him

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=54900&highlight=pat2003

switz
Aug 8th, 2003, 05:07 PM
well at least we finally had soem posts without animosity. i'm not going to get into the whole wanting patty to lose argument, as i have actually said that a few times and have been heavily criticised by other patty fans, so it seems like i'm screwed either way.

vogus
Aug 8th, 2003, 05:49 PM
thank god you nut-heads (all true Patty fans are as crazy as she is, so this is not an insult) have finally stopped fighting.

JR if you are really going to get involved with this, just be careful, because after all, (barring a systematic and gross mis-representation of the facts by the Swiss press) Hofmann clearly has the "street psychology" of a crook, and he could very well be a dangerous man, especially if he feels he's backed into a corner. Please keep Patty's safety, as well as you own, in mind. Thanx.

Rothes
Aug 9th, 2003, 04:06 AM
I'm glad, too. ;) Now re. your being "screwed either way", goodness Switz, you can't avoid all criticism in life. Sure an "instant gratification" type like Rothes won't accept such "heresy", but read some posts by Beat and Doris perhaps, not only Vogus. Are they on some "crusade" like me, no. But do they sound increasingly fed-up with the status quo, I'm getting that impression. And regardless, you've just got 2B true to your own principles sometimes!

No, what you don't realise is that my intentions are similar to Switz, I come here to discuss particular Tennis, Non Tennis, check the juniors etc etc. I don't come here to make false accusations about Pattys Life, and try to be the "Detective" Because I am not a detective as I don't know everything to know about Pattys Life, and no wonder she keeps herself so isolated. I don't like Hoffman and as many times as I have said it, Patty can do better, If Hoffman suddenly vanished from the face of the Earth, than accolades for Patty, Finally she has left him. What I don't like is you Blaming Rainer for everything that goes woefully wrong in Pattys Tennis Career, If she looses, Like she did to Pistolesi, and Talaka you and the Hoffman speculation can't stop bantering that Patty would of creamed them both. Show some common sence and some intuition and look outside the square.

This probably sounds like that Im protecting Hoffman, but I arent. Im not just letting my Fan-Relationship of Patty get in the way of Common Sence.

Please can you also stop using my name in Posts you compose when I have no concern within them or have made no post.

DutchieGirl
Aug 9th, 2003, 04:11 AM
Q: Why would I use cut & paste to quote a post in the same thread? A: Because the sig. is worth commenting on. Re. the main paragraph, I ask: so what that Patty has been inconsistent since post '98? That's when the 2 succesive Rainers took over her life. During '01, they hired Hubert Choudury as her coach. In the '02 FCC, Patty beat in succession: Momo, Mary, Serena, and Jen (B4 losing the final to Iva, who had a moderate draw of Mandy, MGM, Sandrine, and Smash, though I forget the order). In the fall, this "clay court specialist" merely won the Tier I Swisscom on the hardcourts. But Patty was gaining too much confidence in Choudury for Hofmann's comfort, so he was fired in early '03. She's had only "borrowed coaching" from Ranzinger and Van Harpen, coaches of dubs partners Babsi and Manu, since. So it's not a conspiracy, but a predictable course of events. Re. the sig. Rothes wants Patty to win despite this "cancer". I want her cured of it so she can win. (AND have a normal life as a little bonus). So who's more pro Patty here, the enabler or the one not evading the sorry truth?

I trhink it's OK if van Harpen's coaching her sometimes now - he used to be her coach to start with anyway, so he should at least know her game!

Rothes
Aug 9th, 2003, 04:36 AM
I trhink it's OK if van Harpen's coaching her sometimes now - he used to be her coach to start with anyway, so he should at least know her game!

He didn't say some nice things about Patty, In the Fed Cup, he was talking to Manuelle and Patty both, so atleast if he's keeping contact with Patty, then it comes to No Avail.

Herbert was probably (and yes Probably) on of the better coaches Patty has had, I don't know where JR gets his accusations again by saying that Hoffman fired Choudry because he was entering his comfort zone, biting more then he could chew. There was alot of different reasons why Choudry was dumped as coach.

Rothes wants Patty to win despite this "cancer". I want her cured of it so she can win. (AND have a normal life as a little bonus). So who's more pro Patty here, the enabler or the one not evading the sorry truth?

See this is when you don't open your eyes and see the difference, I don't consider him as a cancer, I consider him as Pattys BoyFriend, but a BoyFriend that could possibly do more harm then good. All I ask for Patty is to try her darn best. I am not going to go pessimestic on Patty saying "Don't you dare win, Dont you even pass the first round because your dating Hoffman!!" Thats how she lives her life, and even if we don't support at as much as She does, we should still keep the faith in her even with Hoffman dating her.

This isn't a competition either, and the only person who is evading the sorry truth is hypocriticially you, pull your head out of the dirt and don't point the finger at Hoffman for all of Pattys Dilemmas, Thats just straight obnoxiousness and Naivity. If you consider yourself a real fan of Pattys you will look and try to get over this pro-patty obsessive behaviour and look into some of Pattys own Problems rather then Shooting down Hoffman.

I understand that Hoffman isn't the ideal man for Patty, yet I am not going to jump to conclusions and make lies and fabricate info about Hoffman to please and keep my obsessive nature around. I look visually at all aspects, and not just one, which you so commonly dont do much of. I am for one not going to directly blame every thing on Hoffman when Patty looses ""Its all Hoffman fault she lost, he shouldnt be allowed, hes manipulating EVERYTHING about Pattys Game"" or when Patty doesnt play a tournament that you think she should play to please your own personal opinions ""Arrrgh that Hoffman wont let patty play the tournaments she wants etc etc""

So get your butt out of the gutter and look at it in a perspective manner, because you jump to to many conclusions and really have very or little information to back up what you talk and discuss about, which just shows you are very small minded on the subject. I don't either have all the information, I dont keep personal documents of everything happenes in Pattys Life, Heck Im not even a Psychologist or a Journalist, Its only possible that we find as much out of the Tabloids and Articles as possible. But please leave abit of Leeway and more judgement in your posts, even if we don't know the complete honest truth, because your accusations seem to be that of someone who knows exactly whats going on in Pattys World, and its to Naive to think that way, Especially when this dilemma give out the most isolated and minimal information.

vogus
Aug 9th, 2003, 05:10 AM
Rothes I agree with you that it's not necessarily accurate to blame Hofmann for Patty's individual match losses like against Smashnova and Talaja. But about what you said about "not being a detective," well, you don't need to be a detective, or a nuclear physicist, or even a junior high school graduate to sense that a guy who has done the things that Rainer Hofmann has done, is probably bad news for any person whose life he manages to weasel his way into. It's important that Hofmann not be a taboo subject when it comes to Patty's career, because it's definitely a big, if not the actual biggest, issue facing her at the moment in terms of her future as a professional tennis player.