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Knizzle
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:53 AM
I think Clijsters will hold the #1 ranking for the rest of the year. the only person who can challenge her is Henin and she would have to go on quite a tear to accomplish this. SO I think Kim has is wrapped up for 2003. 2004 is where it heats up though. For the first three months Clijsters has about 1800 points to defend in 6 tournaments, Henin has about 1100 to defend in 5 tournaments, Serena also has about 1800 to defend with three tourneys, and Venus has almost 1100 to defend in 3 tournaments. This is where I think Henin can seriously make her move to get the #1. It will be tough for Clijsters to defend 6 tournaments. Serena will probably successfully defend all of her points, since she only has 3 tourneys and usually plays Scottsdale, which she didn't play this year. Venus can make up alot of ground in this period on Clijsters and Serena. She dropped 3 tourneys that she was defending champion at during this time in 2003. So she will stand to make up some serious points here.

So at the end of March 2004 I expect the rankings to look like:

1. Henin
2. Serena
3. Clijsters
4. Venus

The next period is from April through the end of Wimbledon. Clijsters has almost 2000 points in this span, Serena has almost 2100, Henin has a whopping 2500 to defend, and Venus has only 1125. This period is sort of tricky because there are 2 Grand Slams, so I'll predict for both after the French and after Wimbledon. I think after the clay season and the FO, it could be a real Venus/Serena battle for #1 with Henin and Clijsters not that far behind. Venus has only about 300 points to defend for the clay season so a healthy Venus could add by leaps and bounds and be #1. Serena only has about 1000 points to defend on the clay so she will stand to gain a few points. Clijsters and Henin will struggle to repeat their stellar efforts on clay in 2003 in 2004, so I expect them to lose a few hundred points apiece. After the French, I think the rankings will be:

#1 Venus (tough call to pick her over Serena, but she has few points to defend in the first half of the year)
#2 Serena
#3 Clijsters
#4 Henin


after French to Wimbledon Serena has about 1100 to defend, Venus about 800, Henin about 500, and Clijsters about 650. Venus and Serena will most likely meet in this final again so their points should be okay. Henin will probably gain about 150 pts since at Wimby 2003 she didn't get many quality points. Clijsters should stay the same or losr a small # of points. I think Henin will be close enough to pass Kim here though, and will become #3.

The winner of Wimbledon between the sisters I think will be or stay #1, I think Serena will win so I think the rankings will be:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Clijsters


I would like to hear everyone's projections who would like to share them. All I ask is that the projections be realistic. No BS like a return to #1 by Martina Hingis.

disposablehero
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:59 AM
The vast majority of how everything will shake out is determined by the US and Australian Opens. We can only guess at those. Kim beating Justine in a USO Final would be about a 800-900 point swing from Justine beating Kim.

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:09 AM
I think Venus Williams will be #1 again sometime next year.

Hell I am still hoping that she can regain the #1 spot THIS year.

FEARLESS VENUS RULES

rankings are as follows.

Venus
Serena
Justine
Kim

AjdeNate!
Aug 5th, 2003, 06:05 AM
Venus has a lot of Slam points to defend in 2004 already... RU/R4/RU. So only on clay do I see her making a move, and honestly I don't see her passing both Belgians on the dirt...maybe 1 but not both.

MartinaI
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:42 AM
I think Kim, Justine and Serena will be No.1 next year, I predict quite a bit of changing around and fighting between them. End of year rankings will favor Kim and Justine I think cos they play more tournaments. I think Justine will stay the longest at the top during next year. I do not see Venus getting to No.1 unless she really puts more effort in.

Zvonareva will be top 10 next year too as will petrova I think.

per4ever
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:56 AM
Knizzle do you think Justine will do that badly next year in the clay season? May be she won't defend one of her Tier I's, but she still has Rome as a back up.

"Topaz"
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:55 PM
I think Clijsters will hold the #1 ranking for the rest of the year. the only person who can challenge her is Henin and she would have to go on quite a tear to accomplish this. SO I think Kim has this wrapped up for 2003. 2004 is where it heats up though...
Nope, Justine and Kim are neck and neck on the year race. Kim has played 13 tr so far this year and Justine, 12. That may account for the 239 point variance in Kim's favor. You can be sure they both will play at least 17 tr by yearend. To grab the #1, Justine will just have to do slightly better than her compatriot by then.
Porsche Race, 8/04/2003 pts tr

1 KIM CLIJSTERS 4373 13
2 JUSTINE HENIN-H 4134 12

3 SERENA WILLIAMS 3916 7
4 VENUS WILLIAMS 2211 6

XMan
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:58 PM
I don't think that Kim will stay slamless for another year. She may well defend the topspot succesfully next year if she wins a slam and plays consistent.

Pureracket
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:02 PM
Actually, people talk like Kimmie is going to be slamless for the rest of her career. . . .LOL. I SERIOUSLY think she is going to win the USOpen.

bandabou
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:03 PM
All depends on how long Serenaīs out....īcause last year she didnīt play that much after the Open. So if she can add some tournaments here and there I think she still can end the year as no.1. Remember Kimīs defending many points after the summer. About next year, I think Venus can make a hell of a run during the clay-season next year! Remember she only played Warsaw and 4th round at the French! She didnīt play Amelia, Berlin nor Rome!! Damn, those are some points to win next year!!

disposablehero
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:06 PM
All depends on how long Serenaīs out....īcause last year she didnīt play that much after the Open. So if she can add some tournaments here and there I think she still can end the year as no.1. Remember Kimīs defending many points after the summer. About next year, I think Venus can make a hell of a run during the clay-season next year! Remember she only played Warsaw and 4th round at the French! She didnīt play Amelia, Berlin nor Rome!! Damn, those are some points to win next year!!

Highly unlikely. Serena has 1000 points coming up that she will defend none of. By the time US Open is over, Serena will be far far back in the race. Barring a miracle (Kim and Justine both losing in the first 3 rounds of the US Open) this is a 2 horse race now.

mboyle
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:09 PM
Kim will be no 1. Justine doesn't do very well indoors (Linz=exception;) ), wheras it is one of Kim's favorite surfaces I think. If Serena comes back though, she should be no 1. But it depends on how much she wants it so......

1. Kim
2. Justine
3. Serena
4. Venus
:sad:

But Next Year:
1. Serena
2. Justine
3. Venus
4. Kim
5. Mauresmo
6. Sharapova:devil:

gregē
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:16 PM
hmmm, you never know how Justine will play indoors and on the HC for the rest of the year ;)
She 'll certainley close the gap with Kim but if she will become the number one THIS year :scratch:

Knizzle
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:39 PM
Knizzle do you think Justine will do that badly next year in the clay season? May be she won't defend one of her Tier I's, but she still has Rome as a back up.

It's not that she will do that badly, but I expect a resurgence in the Williams at the French Open, Serena will want to win badly, and if Henin doesn't make it past the semifinal, she will lose 650-700 points. Also the Williams sisters were largely absent from the European clay season, so they will shake things up. We didn't expect Serena to lose that many points in the clay season this year either did we??

bandabou
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:40 PM
Highly unlikely. Serena has 1000 points coming up that she will defend none of. By the time US Open is over, Serena will be far far back in the race. Barring a miracle (Kim and Justine both losing in the first 3 rounds of the US Open) this is a 2 horse race now.

Oh like that.... yeah those 1000 points are too much to make up. Then I think it will be Kim for year end no.1. Justineīs not that good on hardcourts or indoors.

Knizzle
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:08 PM
I don't think that Kim will stay slamless for another year. She may well defend the topspot succesfully next year if she wins a slam and plays consistent.

So does this mean you think she is going to win the US Open or that she is going to win a slam next year??

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:16 PM
Don't underestimate Venus and Serena. Venus will be #1 soon. Serena is at the moment but if she loses it she will be #1 again.

selesfan
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:23 PM
Kim or Justine will take #1 for 2003 and I think Serena will end 2004 as #1 barring injury since she will have no summer points to defend.

QUEENLINDSAY
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:33 PM
Lindsay will be back on top for sure before she retires!!!!!!! WATCH OUT!!!!!!

CJ07
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:43 PM
Venus will be the number one seed at the FO, thats all i know

tennisIlove09
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:39 PM
I sense Venus is going on a ripper. I think she'll end this year #4, but by Roland Garros, or after she'll be #1

Jen'sFan
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:15 PM
i dont think Kim deserves to be number 1. no grand slams. so its not a true reflection.

either justine or serena. definatley serena

cool bird
Aug 5th, 2003, 11:19 PM
Well to be honest I think Venus could not give a shit about being number 1 in the world.
She wants the Grandslams and Antwerp.
but next year will be very intresting. If your a Williams fan. Becuses it is the real last chance for either of them doing the Grandslam next year plus the olympicks. I just cant see them doing in 2008

gregē
Aug 5th, 2003, 11:51 PM
venus or serena become number one again :scratch: they only play 13 tournaments in a year, and the only way to gain points quickly is in the GS's...(two times RUP for Venus and two times champion for Serena :eek:) It's almost impossible for them in 2004... :eek:

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:31 PM
Bumpity, bumpity, bump :devil:

Toontje
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:52 PM
Who's going to hold Kim from #1 as she wins a grand slam within a year?.........maybe justine for a few months?.........Serena is currently #2 and she won 3 grand slams in the last 52 weeks.

Get used on it for a year if she wins the US open!

Kim Clijsters

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2002-11-04 WTA Championships 750 WON Champ.
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 646 F Grand Slam
2003-03-03 Indian Wells 459 WON I
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 440 SF Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 432 SF Grand Slam
2003-05-12 Rome 402 WON I
2002-10-04 Filderstadt, Germany 378 WON II
2003-01-06 Sydney 350 WON II
2003-08-10 Los Angeles 298 WON II
2003-05-05 Berlin 295 F I
2003-07-21 Stanford 264 WON II
2003-07-28 San Diego 237 F II
2003-03-17 Miami 235 SF I
2003-02-10 Antwerp 235 F II
2002-09-16 Toyota Princess Cup at Tokyo 210 F II
2003-06-16 's-Hertogenbosch 208 WON III
2002-10-21 Luxembourg 200 WON III
---------------------------------------------
Total points 17 best tournaments: 6039 points

2003-02-24 Scottsdale 170 F II
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 122 4e round Grand Slam
2002-10-14 Zurich, Switzerland 107 QF I
2002-09-23 Leipzig, Germany 94 SF II
2003-08-11 Montreal, Canada 57 3e round I


Justine Henin Hardenne

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 1156 WON Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 460 SF Grand Slam
2003-05-05 Berlin 440 WON I
2003-04-07 Charleston 420 WON I
2003-08-11 Montreal 401 WON I
2003-07-28 San Diego 391 WON II
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 370 SF Grand Slam
2003-02-17 Dubai 324 WON II
2002-10-27 Linz 311 WON II
2002-10-20 Zurich 169 SF I
2002-11-06 Championsh 144 Champ.
2002-09-29 Leipzig 127 SF
2003-04-14 Amalia Island 127 SF II
2003-01-06 Sydney 126 SF II
2002-09-08 US Open 122 4e ronde Grand Slam
2003-06-16 's-Hertogenbosch 114 F III
2003-02-10 Antwerp 105 SF II
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Total points 17 best tournaments: 5307 points

2003-03-17 Miami 101 QF I
2002-08-25 New Haven 1 II



Venus

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 806 F Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 702 F Grand Slam
2002-09-08 US Open 732 F Grand Slam
2003-02-10 Antwerp 327 WON II
2002-11-10 Championship QF 296 Champ.
2003-04-28 Warsaw 183 F II
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 136 4TH Grand Slam
2003-03-17 Miami 57 4TH I
2002-10-06 Moscow 1 II
Without New Haven
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Total in 10 tournaments 3240 points


Davenport

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2002-09-08 US Open 398 SF Grand Slam
2003-01-27 Tokyo 363 WON I
2003-03-03 Indian Wells 319 F I
2002-10-20 Zurich 309 F I
2002-10-06 Moscow 231 F II
2003-04-14 Amalia Island 229 F II
2002-08-11 L. Angeles 230 F II
2002-08-25 New Haven 225 F II
2003-01-06 Sydney 220 F II
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 206 QF Grand Slam
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 174 4TH Grand Slam
2003-04-07 Charleston 164 SF I
2003-07-28 San Diego 162 SF II
2003-01-13 Australian Open 156 4TH Grand Slam
2002-10-13 Filderst. 72 QF II
2002-11-10 Championships 67 1e round
2003-03-17 Miami 57 4TH I
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Total in 17 tournaments 3582 points


2003-08-04 Los Angeles 1 2ND II
2003-06-16 Eastbourne 1 2ND II
2003-02-24 Scottsdale 1 2ND II





Serena Williams

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 1110 WON Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 1048 WON Grand Slam
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 506 SF Grand Slam
2002-11-04 WTA Championships 484 F Champ.
2003-03-17 Miami 493 WON I
2003-04-07 Charleston 305 F I
2002-09-23 Leipzig, Germany 291 WON II ?
2003-02-03 Paris 284 WON II
2002-09-16 Princess Cup at Tokyo 264 WON II
2003-05-12 Rome 170 SFI
Without US open: -1040
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Total points 10 tournaments: 4955 points

Diya
Aug 19th, 2003, 09:54 PM
I dunno about that but i just don't see Venus getting to # 1 anytime in the future !

Knizzle
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:07 PM
I dunno about that but i just don't see Venus getting to # 1 anytime in the future !

Venus has about half the points to defend up until Wimbledon 2004 as Serena, Justine, and Kim. Then she won't have any points to defend up until the US Open 2004, so the stage is set for her to be #1. The #1 ranking will change hands 3 or 4 times in 2004.

"Topaz"
Aug 19th, 2003, 10:18 PM
Knizzle, don't forget to bump this again if Serena rejoins the tour at the end of September. I have a scenario that takes her to #1 by yearend, if she plays 4 tourneys and the TC terrifically. No point getting into that scenario now.

BTW, my previous scenario regarding Venus as yearend #1 has become impossible, as she didn't play Toronto and New Haven. The best I can see for her now is #4, or #3 if Serena doesn't play at all.

As for next year, anyone of the top four is a serious contender. The Slams will shake them apart.

~|Naomi|~
Aug 20th, 2003, 02:06 AM
Whoever out of Kim and Henin wins the Open will finish at 1, if Kim goes out before SF and Henin wins the open, Henin will be 1 after the Open. Kim needs to win the open more than Henin to put herself in a good position to finish the year at 1 cause Kim has her LA points to defend

mboyle
Aug 20th, 2003, 02:13 AM
I sense Venus is going on a ripper. I think she'll end this year #4, but by Roland Garros, or after she'll be #1

No offense, but Venus fans have been predicting a "ripper run" since mid 2002. STill hasn't happened yet.......:p . Y'all are beginning to remind me of the 7th Day Adventists:o .

However, as Serena is so much more talented than pretty much all other players on tour, I have ZERO doubts that she will be no. 1 for 3/4 or more of next year (barring injury). Still, time will tell.....

great smash
Aug 20th, 2003, 08:53 AM
No offense, but Venus fans have been predicting a "ripper run" since mid 2002. STill hasn't happened yet.......:p . Y'all are beginning to remind me of the 7th Day Adventists:o .

However, as Serena is so much more talented than pretty much all other players on tour, I have ZERO doubts that she will be no. 1 for 3/4 or more of next year (barring injury). Still, time will tell.....

No matter how well Serena starts to play, the fact of missing 1 slam will have her about 1500 points (or more) behind Kim by the end of September.

Of course if Kim get's injured as well she will be starting to lose points rather quickly if not, it will be terribly hard for Serena to gain ground, as long as she doesn't play the USO (and she won't have a chance to add points there for another 12 months)

Unless playing many more events (each of which have less points to offer than Serena is used of winning anyway) she will have a difficult time catching up as she can hardly improve on the events she usually does play.

Venus is another story if she will be healthy and plays a full schedule. She can do better at nearly every tournament she has played the past year (only defending 1 title) plus she can easily add some events without overdoing it.

Serena will just simply be missing the US Open so as long as either Belgian manages to keep their points above 5000 it's virtually impossible for Serena to climb above them without a good US Open included in her points

fleemkeģ
Aug 20th, 2003, 09:33 AM
Well much will depend on the USOpen but I think it will go between Justine and Kim.

Justine has a little les to defend (I think) and plans her tournaments smarter than Kim.

Wacht out with saying that Justine isn't good at indoors .. she was also bad on American hard courts a couple off weeks ago ;)